Hi Marilyn, Thanks for your reply. I have all Williams info from when he was charged in Dublin, icluding the newspaper report. I also have his shipping records fro when he came to Australia in the "Hero" and his life in Australia including all his descendants. A second cousin in Sydney has done a lot and I am finalising my grandparents line. It has taken a while as there are over 160 descendants from them. I am sure William had a son, also William, who was charged with his dad but was let off while his father was transported for life to Australia. I can send you copies of this info if it would help. I am trying to find out Williams 3 childrens lives, their marriages, children etc. Do you have any clues for me to follow up on. No, I don't have the name of Williams wife from Dublin nor the other childrens names. Is there any place or web site I can get onto to try and find them? My husband and I are planniong to go to Ireland next July and will have only a day or two to search for them whilst there. We have planned to spend some time trying to find my husbands grandmothers descendants in County Clare whilst there also. She was an O'Dea. Any suggestions, web sites etc. would be most grateful. Thanks again for your time. Kindest regards Faye -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson Sent: Thursday, 5 October 2006 8:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre Hello, Faye, You have given very little information to help find more about your William Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding more information about William's family in Ireland. Sorry not to be of more help. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Hi saw you were researching thewrong Armstrongs for ages. > > I am descended from William Armstrong (he is my g g grandfather) who came > from Ireland in the 1820's to beautiful Australia. He left behind 3 > children. Do you have any info on this line of Armstrongs. If you need > more > info let me know. > > Kind regards > > Faye Chapman (nee Armstrong) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson > Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel > anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You > really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have > been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the > U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to > confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. > > When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local > LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the few > ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on that > person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info that > had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly > often. > I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of > information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can > trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most > published > works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who > wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. > > If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one > genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through > royal > families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the > records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. > I > think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are > just > dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. > > As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to > searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly > recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. > Tyrone..and > that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are > genuine. > It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no > matter > if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or > documents to back it up. > > IMHO, > Cousin Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >> references an am waiting for an answer." >> >> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >> >> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >> >> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >> One >> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >> someone to find out for me! ;D >> >> Take care, >> >> Rob. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: 4/10/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Dear Faye, You have quite a lot of fairly recent information. I am no expert on Irish genealogy except to know that it's difficult, often nearly impossible to access. It does sound as you are dealing with ancestors from Ireland, not Ulster or those known as Scotch Irish (Irish of Scottish descent, usually Protestant). I think a good course for you to try is to take a look at www.rootsweb.com and search the lists for a list about Ireland or County Clare. There are good public records still existing in Dublin and I have written there for information. If your folks aren't from what is not Northern Ireland you don't need to worry about searching in PRONI in Belfast. Also, church records...if you can find out somehow (maybe from a County Clare list) the religion of your ancestor, maybe you can access church records to find out more about your ancestor, where baptized, where married, etc. If you can somehow find a marriage record you will probably know more about the parents' names, the townland, etc. Irish genealogy is a whole different animal from British and you have to approach it in other ways. You can also do a search at a Family History Center of the Latter Day Saints church and access their catalog and records, or you can search it on line as they do have some Irish records. I really think the best thing to do, though, is to search out a rootsweb list dealing with the area your ancestors were last known in Ireland or maybe a list for O'Dea family. Finally, if you look in the Scotch-Irish List archives I believe you'll find a tutorial in researching genealogy in Ireland. But I have always found the best help with Rootsweb lists for a particular Irish county. You can also get some good information about where to search when you get to Ireland on your trip. Sorry not to be of more help. Good luck in your search and let us know how you are doing with it. Regards, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Hi Marilyn, > > Thanks for your reply. I have all Williams info from when he was charged > in > Dublin, icluding the newspaper report. I also have his shipping records > fro > when he came to Australia in the "Hero" and his life in Australia > including > all his descendants. A second cousin in Sydney has done a lot and I am > finalising my grandparents line. It has taken a while as there are over > 160 > descendants from them. > > I am sure William had a son, also William, who was charged with his dad > but > was let off while his father was transported for life to Australia. > > I can send you copies of this info if it would help. I am trying to find > out > Williams 3 childrens lives, their marriages, children etc. Do you have any > clues for me to follow up on. No, I don't have the name of Williams wife > from Dublin nor the other childrens names. Is there any place or web site > I > can get onto to try and find them? My husband and I are planniong to go to > Ireland next July and will have only a day or two to search for them > whilst > there. We have planned to spend some time trying to find my husbands > grandmothers descendants in County Clare whilst there also. She was an > O'Dea. > > Any suggestions, web sites etc. would be most grateful. > > Thanks again for your time. > > Kindest regards > > Faye > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson > Sent: Thursday, 5 October 2006 8:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > Hello, Faye, > You have given very little information to help find more about your > William > Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) > > You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia > from > Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William > there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their > mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the > kids? > Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes > those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For > instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in > 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you > know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in > Australia? > Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time > finding > more information about William's family in Ireland. > > Sorry not to be of more help. > > Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> Hi saw you were researching thewrong Armstrongs for ages. >> >> I am descended from William Armstrong (he is my g g grandfather) who came >> from Ireland in the 1820's to beautiful Australia. He left behind 3 >> children. Do you have any info on this line of Armstrongs. If you need >> more >> info let me know. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Faye Chapman (nee Armstrong) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson >> Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:55 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel >> anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >> really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have >> been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >> U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >> confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >> >> When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local >> LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >> few >> ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >> that >> person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >> that >> had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >> often. >> I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >> information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >> trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >> published >> works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >> wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >> >> If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >> genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >> royal >> families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >> records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. >> I >> think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >> just >> dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >> >> As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >> searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly >> recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >> Tyrone..and >> that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >> genuine. >> It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >> matter >> if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >> documents to back it up. >> >> IMHO, >> Cousin Marilyn >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >>> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>> references an am waiting for an answer." >>> >>> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>> >>> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>> >>> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>> One >>> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>> someone to find out for me! ;D >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Rob. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: >> 3/10/2006 >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: >> 4/10/2006 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: 4/10/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/464 - Release Date: 5/10/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message