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    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Thomas Armstrong, Newgate Prison (London) to VA 1721
    2. Debbie
    3. Ship Prince Royal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Newgate (Prison), London, England to Virginia departure August 1721 ..."And the other One hundred and 17 malefactors more by the like Order recev.d on board the Ship Prince Royal Thos. Boyd Master to be transported to Virginia As appears by the sevl. Certificates hereunto annexed wherein every of the names of the said malefactors are expressed; In Consideration of which Sevl Allowances the said Jonathan Forward agreed at his own Cost and Charges to Transport the said malefactors to some of Mat. Plantations in America without any Charge to his Mats. for their Transportation conveying on board or otherwise, and hath given Security pursuant to the said Articles for this factual transporting the said Malefactors accordingly. And let the said order be satisfyed, out of any Money in the Recce.t of the Excheg. applicable to the uses of his Mat. Civil Government. And for so doing This shall be your warrt." R. Walpole Geo: Baillie Ara: Turner R. Edgcumbe A List of the Prisoners Received from Newgate aboard the Ship Prince Royale bound for Virginia Thos. Armstrong

    11/27/2002 04:03:17
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Amstrong Immigrants to Nova Scotia 1774
    2. Debbie
    3. http://istg.rootsweb.com/1700/lovelynelly740000.html Snow Lovely Nelly Includes both the Passenger List and Description by George T. Bates, The Great Exodus of 1749, in Collections of The Nova Scotia Historical Society Ship: The Lovely Nelly Date: 1774 (Departure) Departing: Galloway, Scotland Arriving: PEI (Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia) 36 Thomas Armstrong 17 PEI Glencairn 37 William Armstrong 15 PEI 38 Christn. Armstrong 10 PEI The information below is from the book, The Great Exodus of 1749 by George T. Bates in Collections of The Nova Scotia Historical Society and describes the same passengers as above. Columns represent: Name, Reason for travel, Origin Armstrong, Christn. Could not earn bread sufficient to support him & his family Nethermiln, Glencairn Armstrong, Thomas Could not earn bread sufficient to support him & his family Nethermiln, Glencairn Armstrong, William Could not earn bread sufficient to support him & his family Nethermiln, Glencairn

    11/27/2002 02:30:37
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Review: Surname Landscape In Fermanagh
    2. David & Kathy Black
    3. Hi The following review might interest those with Irish ancestry - it was on Rob Thompson's latest "Family History News" For those who don't already know this is a really useful newsletter for researchers with interests in the UK, To find out more about the newsletter, or view the archive see http://www.genuki.org.uk/news/ To subscribe to Family History News send a message containing the word subscribe to UK-FAMILYHISTORYNEWS-L-request@Rootsweb.com. Subscription is free All the best Kathy NEW BOOKS AND CD’s Surname Landscape In Fermanagh Brian S Turner The first in an authoritative new series of maps and accompanying information which reveal the surname 'landscapes' of Ulster's counties. Resulting from more than 30 years of research Surname Landscape in the County of Fermanagh gives a fascinating insight into the special nature of the county through the varied inheritance which can be seen today. This work is a full colour map of the county locating its most numerous and characteristic contemporary surnames, with the intensity of their occurrence, as well as all the major towns and villages. It also includes a breakdown of the top 100 names in the county and an essay explaining how the surnames of its people relate to Fermanagh’s particular history. Of interest to: · Local and social historians · Family historians and genealogists · Community relations and cross-community studies · Libraries · Schools and colleges · All those interested in Fermanagh Produced on high quality paper, the map folds from 60x84 cms to 17x20 cms. It can be framed or used as a poster, and can be supplied unfolded if preferred. E-mail: turnercircle@lisban.freeserve.co.uk

    11/27/2002 07:42:52
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Letitia Armstrong burial, 1863, Philadelphia, PA
    2. Debbie
    3. Mount Moriah Cemetery 62nd & Kingsessing Avenue, Philadelphia, PA 19142 215-729-1295 (Started 1855) DECEASED DATE OF AGE PARENT/SPOUSE DEATH ARMSTRONG, LETITIA June 17, 1863 18 George & Jane

    11/26/2002 04:47:07
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Inbreeding
    2. Dear List, Had a smile at Gene's comments about Philip of Spain. What ever happened to the Pineys? Were they real? or just a legend like Sawney Bean. Buitenlander.

    11/26/2002 03:19:11
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such
    2. Rob and Edie McArthur
    3. Hi Marilyn Yes that would appear to be the case, but I do not normally look for it and could easily overlook such an event. My cousins are deliriously happy. the marraige took place in the UK where I guess it is allowed, but they are now seeking to return to Canada, where my female cousins sisters live and where she along with her siblings and parents emigrated in 1957. Edie By the way the temperature soared to 43 degrees centigrade yesterday in Sydney, NSW. they had to lower the speed on the trains as the steel on the track and on the Sydney Harbour Bridge expanded with the heat. It is not even Summer here as yet. The farmers have drought conditions on the mainland. We have had quite a bit of rain here, but not what farmers would call sufficient to fill their dams. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn R. Otterson" <rosiedoggie@attbi.com> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such > Hi, Edie, > It was not uncommon for first cousins to marry, especially in times and > places where populations were small. There just wasn't a large pool of > eligible singles to meet, and in this country, in colonial times where > people lived in small settlements, it wasn't anything that would raise > eyebrows. Bet it was the same in Australia. I have found at least one > instance, way back when, where two first cousins married in my ancestry. I > had another family of ancestors who all lived on Nantucket, an island off > the northeast coast of the USA. They were Quakers and there were several > main families and several main surnames. There were many, many instances of > "second" or first cousins once removed marrying there. I have several > ancestors who shared a great grandparent, for instance. I think it is a > lot less common now and may not even be legal in some places, I suppose. > But for folks who are past child-bearing ages, I suppose nobody would even > care! Good for them....hope they will be very happy. > > Cousin Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such > > > > Hi Mary, > > Between a Rock and a hard place, sounds the same meaning to me. Without > > those middle names to help us out, it is hard to separate all the > > Elizabeths, James and Williams and Johns isn,t it. > > > > Two of my first cousins on the same line as mine, married each other in > May > > this year, after I introduced them again after many years out of touch. > > Both in their late fifties. They used to write to each other as children. > > They fell in love and the rest is history. That will be confusing later on > > when someone is researching our family. What is the incidence of the > > Armstrong families having that happen. The thing is, most of us would > maybe > > not even contemplate that two first cousins would marry so wouldn't even > > look for it. Or dismiss it as a possibility. So could miss a clue. Has > > that happened to anyone else's family? > > > > Edie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <LITMAR@aol.com> > > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:43 AM > > Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such > > > > > > > Is the brick wall and a hard basket the same as between a rock and a > hard > > > place? > > > > > > Recently I noted in one of those county histories, a person with another > > name > > > who was married to a person with a surname that married into my > Armstrong > > > family. The problem I have is that sisters with the same surname > married > > > brothers with another common surname, and that they didn't have that > many > > > names to CHOOSE from - how many Elizabeths and James can there be? > > > > > > Anyway I am on the trail. Happy giving thanks and eating everyone!! My > > kids > > > are coming home, and I am very thankful. Mary > > > > > > > >

    11/26/2002 02:16:26
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such
    2. Rob and Edie McArthur
    3. Hi Mary, Between a Rock and a hard place, sounds the same meaning to me. Without those middle names to help us out, it is hard to separate all the Elizabeths, James and Williams and Johns isn,t it. Two of my first cousins on the same line as mine, married each other in May this year, after I introduced them again after many years out of touch. Both in their late fifties. They used to write to each other as children. They fell in love and the rest is history. That will be confusing later on when someone is researching our family. What is the incidence of the Armstrong families having that happen. The thing is, most of us would maybe not even contemplate that two first cousins would marry so wouldn't even look for it. Or dismiss it as a possibility. So could miss a clue. Has that happened to anyone else's family? Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: <LITMAR@aol.com> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such > Is the brick wall and a hard basket the same as between a rock and a hard > place? > > Recently I noted in one of those county histories, a person with another name > who was married to a person with a surname that married into my Armstrong > family. The problem I have is that sisters with the same surname married > brothers with another common surname, and that they didn't have that many > names to CHOOSE from - how many Elizabeths and James can there be? > > Anyway I am on the trail. Happy giving thanks and eating everyone!! My kids > are coming home, and I am very thankful. Mary >

    11/26/2002 01:47:32
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such
    2. Not only do I have first cousins that married one another but in some instances double first cousins that married . My Armstrong- Stewart- Calhoun lines were famous . Especially the Stewarts. I always thought that family was a little bit crazy. Now I know why. Catherine Montgomery Stewart Calhoun the aunt to Alice Calhoun (Wife of Robert Armstrong) and the grandmother to John C Calhoun was my 8th greatgrandmother 3 different ways. Has anyone got a padded room???? Pat Armstrong Tatom

    11/25/2002 11:35:56
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such
    2. Gene Philips
    3. At 05:35 PM 11/25/02, you wrote: > Not only do I have first cousins that married one another but in some >instances double first cousins that married . My Armstrong- Stewart- Calhoun >lines were famous . Especially the Stewarts. I always thought that family was >a little bit crazy. Now I know why. Catherine Montgomery Stewart Calhoun the >aunt to Alice Calhoun (Wife of Robert Armstrong) and the grandmother to John >C Calhoun was my 8th greatgrandmother 3 different ways. Has anyone got a >padded room???? > >Pat Armstrong Tatom You think you had some close relatives. King Philip III of Spain had a 3 inch chin. He was unable to stop dribbling, and he was mercilessly mocked throughout his lifetime by his subjects. He still managed to rule them for about 40 years. He was so in-bred that he only had four great-grand-parents. Gene

    11/25/2002 11:10:08
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such
    2. Marilyn R. Otterson
    3. Hi, Edie, It was not uncommon for first cousins to marry, especially in times and places where populations were small. There just wasn't a large pool of eligible singles to meet, and in this country, in colonial times where people lived in small settlements, it wasn't anything that would raise eyebrows. Bet it was the same in Australia. I have found at least one instance, way back when, where two first cousins married in my ancestry. I had another family of ancestors who all lived on Nantucket, an island off the northeast coast of the USA. They were Quakers and there were several main families and several main surnames. There were many, many instances of "second" or first cousins once removed marrying there. I have several ancestors who shared a great grandparent, for instance. I think it is a lot less common now and may not even be legal in some places, I suppose. But for folks who are past child-bearing ages, I suppose nobody would even care! Good for them....hope they will be very happy. Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob and Edie McArthur" <robmc@our.net.au> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such > Hi Mary, > Between a Rock and a hard place, sounds the same meaning to me. Without > those middle names to help us out, it is hard to separate all the > Elizabeths, James and Williams and Johns isn,t it. > > Two of my first cousins on the same line as mine, married each other in May > this year, after I introduced them again after many years out of touch. > Both in their late fifties. They used to write to each other as children. > They fell in love and the rest is history. That will be confusing later on > when someone is researching our family. What is the incidence of the > Armstrong families having that happen. The thing is, most of us would maybe > not even contemplate that two first cousins would marry so wouldn't even > look for it. Or dismiss it as a possibility. So could miss a clue. Has > that happened to anyone else's family? > > Edie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <LITMAR@aol.com> > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:43 AM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such > > > > Is the brick wall and a hard basket the same as between a rock and a hard > > place? > > > > Recently I noted in one of those county histories, a person with another > name > > who was married to a person with a surname that married into my Armstrong > > family. The problem I have is that sisters with the same surname married > > brothers with another common surname, and that they didn't have that many > > names to CHOOSE from - how many Elizabeths and James can there be? > > > > Anyway I am on the trail. Happy giving thanks and eating everyone!! My > kids > > are coming home, and I am very thankful. Mary > > > >

    11/25/2002 09:54:48
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] "Too hard baskets"??!!
    2. Rob and Edie McArthur
    3. Hi Barb, Yes it is that language barrier again. Too hard basket is the same as brickwalls. there are so many of you who have families that come from the same town in Ireland and couldn't link up. Thought by now some of you have had some luck. It is always exciting to get that tiny link, that gets you out of where you have been at for years, isn't it? Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BCofer612@aol.com> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] "Too hard baskets"??!! > Edie, I think I'm missing something here (my marbles?!) I don't know what > you mean by "having success with their too hard baskets". Is that the same > as "brick walls"? > > If that's what it means, I don't think I know of anyone on the list who's > broken through their brick wall recently. I've lucked out on a few lines > that I've been stuck on for years, but not on Armstrongs. Not yet, at least! > > Have a great Thanksgiving...come to think of it, I don't think you have that > in your part of the world, do you? If not, have a great day anyway! > > Barb >

    11/25/2002 09:50:06
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Brick walls and such
    2. Is the brick wall and a hard basket the same as between a rock and a hard place? Recently I noted in one of those county histories, a person with another name who was married to a person with a surname that married into my Armstrong family. The problem I have is that sisters with the same surname married brothers with another common surname, and that they didn't have that many names to CHOOSE from - how many Elizabeths and James can there be? Anyway I am on the trail. Happy giving thanks and eating everyone!! My kids are coming home, and I am very thankful. Mary

    11/25/2002 02:43:46
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Armstrong, 4 brothers 2 sisters and Dad named James in MI
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Armstrong Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2533 Message Board Post: Looking for the following Armstrong line. Dad James Armstrong born in CAN abt 1780. Had 6 children we know of. 1)GEORGE Ervin Armstong b. 1853 CAN m. Etta Ketchabaw Bilow 1896 in Missaukee Co. He was a lumberman. In 1904 they were in Crofton, Kalkaska Co, MI. 2)THOMAS Armstrong b. abt 1857 CAN, wife unknown, had a son Raymond 1896-1970 d. in Beaverton, MI. (yes, I can get his mother from his death record) 3)JACK Armstrong b. abt 1860 CAN, nothing further. 4)CHARLES Armstrong 1862-1948, lived in Frederic, Crawford Co, MI died and buried there. Married Wealthy ?, and a Fry. Children were Percy, Charles, Clarence and William with Wealthy. The three Fry children took the Armstrong name they were Emily, John and Alfred. From the cemetery transcription it looks as if all of Charles children are buried in Frederic. 5) & 6) are both SISTERS Armstrong I have no names for them. George states he immigrated in 1870 on one of the census records. Anyone out there related to this group of Michigan Armstrongs?

    11/25/2002 02:23:24
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: Mary Ann Armstrong, b.Jul 16, 1834
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/79.1 Message Board Post: I am also looking for a brooklyn, ny armstrong. His name is allan armstrong. His son russell allen armstrong was born in brooklyn in 1935. Wife of allan armstrong was ruth Agnes armstrong. bob c.

    11/25/2002 12:44:06
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] "Too hard baskets"??!!
    2. Edie, I think I'm missing something here (my marbles?!) I don't know what you mean by "having success with their too hard baskets". Is that the same as "brick walls"? If that's what it means, I don't think I know of anyone on the list who's broken through their brick wall recently. I've lucked out on a few lines that I've been stuck on for years, but not on Armstrongs. Not yet, at least! Have a great Thanksgiving...come to think of it, I don't think you have that in your part of the world, do you? If not, have a great day anyway! Barb

    11/24/2002 04:47:59
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Thanksgiving Forecast
    2. Rob and Edie McArthur
    3. I could be wrong, Marilyn, but I don't think that thanksgiving is celebrated in Australia. There are never advertisements for Turkeys etc for thanksgiving, just for Christmas. It would be a nice time of year. My cousins who live in Toronto, Canada, speak about getting together for Thanksgiving. Have to have the expanding belts on that day. Enjoy yourselves, I think it must be about the 28th November or thereabouts, isn't it.? Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn R. Otterson" <rosiedoggie@attbi.com> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 3:33 AM Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Thanksgiving Forecast > > Thought this was too cute not to share. I wish all my Armstrong cousins and their extended families a very happy, healthy and fulFILLING Thanksgiving. Cousin Marilyn > 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 > > Thanksgiving Forecast > > Turkeys will thaw in the morning, then warm in the oven to an afternoon high near 190F. The kitchen will turn hot and humid, and if you bother the cook, be ready for a severe squall or cold shoulder. > During the late afternoon and evening, the cold front of a knife will slice through the turkey, causing an accumulation of one to two inches on plates. Mashed potatoes will drift across one side while cranberry sauce creates slippery spots on the other. Please pass the gravy. > A weight watch and indigestion warning have been issued for the entire area, with increased stuffiness around the beltway. During the evening, the turkey will diminish and taper off to leftovers, dropping to a low of 34F in the refrigerator. > Looking ahead to Friday and Saturday, high pressure to eat sandwiches will be established. Flurries of leftovers can be expected both days with a 50 percent chance of scattered soup late in the day. We expect a warming trend where soup develops. By early next week, eating pressure will be low as the only wish left will be the bone. > > >

    11/24/2002 02:20:56
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: ARMSTRONG-D Digest V02 #366
    2. Rob and Edie McArthur
    3. It is nice to be back Barb. Has anyone had any success with their too hard baskets, since I have been off the list? I recall quite a few. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: <BCofer612@aol.com> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: ARMSTRONG-D Digest V02 #366 > Welcome Back, Edie! I've been wondering what in the world had happened to > you! > > Loved the Reunion piece...it has built-in visual effects! > > Barb in MO >

    11/24/2002 02:01:13
    1. Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Thanksgiving Forecast
    2. Gene Philips
    3. It's always the 4th Thursday in November in the US. In Canada it's celebrated on the 2nd monday in October. Gene At 04:20 PM 11/23/02, Rob and Edie McArthur wrote: >I could be wrong, Marilyn, but I don't think that thanksgiving is celebrated >in Australia. There are never advertisements for Turkeys etc for >thanksgiving, just for Christmas. It would be a nice time of year. My >cousins who live in Toronto, Canada, speak about getting together for >Thanksgiving. Have to have the expanding belts on that day. Enjoy >yourselves, I think it must be about the 28th November or thereabouts, isn't >it.? > >Edie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marilyn R. Otterson" <rosiedoggie@attbi.com> >To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 3:33 AM >Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Thanksgiving Forecast > > > > > > Thought this was too cute not to share. I wish all my Armstrong cousins >and their extended families a very happy, healthy and fulFILLING >Thanksgiving. Cousin Marilyn > > >8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 >8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 > > > > Thanksgiving Forecast > > > > Turkeys will thaw in the morning, then warm in the oven to an afternoon >high near 190F. The kitchen will turn hot and humid, and if you bother the >cook, be ready for a severe squall or cold shoulder. > > During the late afternoon and evening, the cold front of a knife will >slice through the turkey, causing an accumulation of one to two inches on >plates. Mashed potatoes will drift across one side while cranberry sauce >creates slippery spots on the other. Please pass the gravy. > > A weight watch and indigestion warning have been issued for the entire >area, with increased stuffiness around the beltway. During the evening, the >turkey will diminish and taper off to leftovers, dropping to a low of 34F in >the refrigerator. > > Looking ahead to Friday and Saturday, high pressure to eat sandwiches will >be established. Flurries of leftovers can be expected both days with a 50 >percent chance of scattered soup late in the day. We expect a warming trend >where soup develops. By early next week, eating pressure will be low as the >only wish left will be the bone. > > > > > >

    11/23/2002 10:37:19
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] William Andrew B. Armstrong
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Armstrong,Browning,Miles Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kQB.2ACIB/2532 Message Board Post: I`m looking for info on William Andrew (Bell) Armstrong.He was born in 1858 in Jackson County,Tn.He is the son of Henry Francis and Sarah Lincoln Armstrong.I`m trying to find out who Williams wife is.I have Mary E. but no last name or dates on her.Any info will help.Thanks!Oh William is my great grandfather.

    11/23/2002 06:35:24
    1. [ARMSTRONG-L] There are Armstrong surnamed persons on the burial list
    2. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2531 Message Board Post: There are Armstrong surnamed persons on the burial list which contains over 9,000 entries at this cemetery they plan on moving. For the burial list and information about the cemetery being moved visit www.graveinfo.com

    11/23/2002 05:05:40