This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Armstrong Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2603 Message Board Post: Looking for information on Harley Armstrong born in KY approx 1918?? Had 4 brothers, two of which were named Hershal and Lee. Harley had at least 3 daughters. Two currently live in Illinois, the third lived in Arkansas. I am a grandaughter doing research for her family tree. Please email me if you have any information.

George, You have to be subscribed to a Rootsweb Surname List before you can send inquiries to that list. However, you do not have to be subscribed to a Surname List to research that Surname List archives. I am forwarding your inquiry to the Armstrong List... hopefully if anyone has any connection they will contact you Sincerely, John D. Armstrong Administrator George Tinoco wrote: >Hi, > >I am trying to verify that the information I have on Landon T. Armstrong and his family is correct. Outside of LDS records I have found no source saying Landon Cross is the son of Landon T Armstrong and Anne Daugherty. > >Descendants of Landon T. Armstrong > > 1 Landon T. Armstrong b: December 18, 1791 in Surry, NC d: March 15, 1871 >. +Anne Daugherty b: 1791 in Madison Co., Kentucky d: 1893 in Monroe, Overton Co., TN m: November 13, 1809 in Overton, Tennesse >........ 2 Martha Armstrong >............ +? Amenett >........ 2 Pleasant M. Armstrong >........ 2 Nancy Jane Armstrong b: December 01, 1811 in Overton Co., TN d: 1858 >............ +Hardin Perkins Oglesby >........ 2 Thomas M. Armstrong b: February 09, 1819 d: May 20, 1910 >........ 2 Landon Cross Armstrong aka (2): L. C. b: 1824 in Celina, Tennesse d: Unknown >............ +Nancy Brylla Maines b: 1833 in Tennesse d: Unknown >................... 3 Mary Adline Armstrong b: December 28, 1849 in Center Point, Monroe County, Kentucky d: January 02, 1935 in Glasgow, Kentucky Burial: in Poplar Log Cemetery, Barren County, Kentucky >....................... +Noble Molten Starr b: September 01, 1844 in Washington County, Tennesse d: November 07, 1909 in Barren County, Kentucky m: January 06, 1870 in Landon Cross Armstrong's home in Cumberland County, Kentucky Burial: in Poplar Log Cemetery, Barren County, Kentucky >................... 3 Matha Armstrong >................... 3 Nettie Armstrong >................... 3 John Armstrong >....................... +Susan Patterson >................... 3 Rash Armstrong >................... 3 Lula Armstrong >................... 3 Turner Armstrong >................... 3 Joseph Armstrong >........ 2 Luke Turner Armstrong b: 1827 d: Unknown >............ +Lucretta Butler b: Unknown d: Unknown >........ 2 Margaret Armstrong b: 1828 >............ +? McDonald > >Thanks, >George Tinoco > > > > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2589.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Not sure if I can help with your quest but anything is possible. I am searching my Coleman line. My William H. Coleman b. 1859 GA (I think) m. Susan Dye 1881 GA. Children were born in AL. In my search I found: 1) AL 1860 census: William Coleman age 34 Mary age 24 James age 7 William age 5/12 months 2) AL 1880 census: William E. Coleman age 55 Mary E. age 44 William R. age 20 Reuben age 18 Harry S. age 8 # 1 could possibly be mine, I just need proof. #2 with middle initial E. I do not think is mine. I am new to genealogy and the message boards. Thanks, Linda

Jeff, Thanks for setting this issue straight. Those of us who live in this whacked-out state, have been following the archives situation, and know its history have understood these ramifications from the start. Bush's waffling has been pathetic and self-serving, and I'm glad you've exposed it for what it is. Lesley Armstrong Northup, Assoc. Prof. Florida International University Jeff Armstrong wrote: > Sad to say, we are living in times when our politicians are able to put out > such disinformation as this, and people will often accept it at face value. > It's not hard to understand how this can happen, however; since the > politicians always have the podium, and it is often difficult (or > impossible) to get the truth out. As someone who has been active in this > process from the very beginning, and following all the developments closely, > I believe I can set the record straight on the proposed closing of the State > Archives and Library of Florida , not that it may change the outcome very > much. > > Governor Bush has throughout his career been contemptuous of state > government in general, and to the state government in Tallahassee in > particular.(Even though he has been happy to serve in state government > himself when it has served to advance his career.) Part of this undoubtedly > has do with the fact that Florida state government workers have consistently > voted Democratic. Governor Bush bewildered everyone when, in his > re-inauguration speech, he wistfully mused about how nice it would be if all > of the state government buildings around him could be empty. > > Florida faces some of the greatest budget deficits in state history, due in > large part to a cumulative $35 billion in tax breaks granted by the Bush > Administration in the past four years, benefitting mostly business special > interests and the wealthiest in the state, including repeal of such things > as the Intangibles Tax and even a special tax break for "adult > entertainment." > > Under the guise of reducing the Florida budget deficit, Governor Bush's > initial budget proposal allocated "zero dollars" not just for the State > Library, but for the State Archives and the State Museum, with the intention > of closing all of these facilities. The State Library collection was to be > parcelled out to numerous libaries thoughout the state. The tremendously > rare and fragile documents and artifacts of the State Archives and Museum > were to go under the tutelage of the Department of Environmental Protection, > even though this Department acknowledged that they had absolutely no > expertise in the conservation of these items. > > A tremendous uproar ensued. Even the Governor's closest Republican political > cronies in the state Legislature abandoned him due to the political fallout. > He first tried to cover with a clumsy and hastily contrived proposal that > the Library and Archives weren't going to leave Tallahassee at all; they > were just going to be moved down the road to Florida State University. > F.S.U. didn't have the space to accomodate the collection, however, and > refused it unless the Governor would allocate additional funds to house the > collection. > > The latest iteration of his bumbling was presented in the letter forwarded > to the list. Now, the Archives (and perhaps the Museum) are not to be closed > at all; and the State Library would be transferred to Nova Southeastern > University. And Nova would be given $5 million dollars for the favor of > taking those musty old books off our hands. This would be done in the > interest (as stated in the Governor's letter) of making the books more > accessible to the people of Florida. > > An important point here is that the reason why the 150 year old State > Library was located in Tallahassee in the first place was not because this > was felt to be the most accessible location, but to satisfy state statutes. > Florida state statutes require that there must be a state libary located in > Tallahassee to serve the information and reference services of the state > government. The Governor plans to circumvent and usurp this statute, > however, by re-designating the State Archives as a "libary", even though it > has none of the traditional functions of a library, such as lending and > Reference services. > > It is interesting, however, that the Governor is trying to promote this > scheme based on the notion that it will increase the accessibility of the > materials; the State Library is an active participant in the Inter-libary > loan program, and always has been. It that sense, the materials are > available not only to all the residents of Florida but even all the > residents in the country. > > One more footnote is appropriate. No one could figure out how it came about > that Nova University became chosen as the recipient of the state's largesse > in giving them the State Library's collection and another $5 million to > take the books off our hands. We got that answer this week. It was revealed > that longtime Republican Bush political crony Jim Smith, who just left a > couple of months ago as Florida Secretary of State, and under whose > authority was the state Archives and Library, had negotiated the deal as a > paid lobbyist for Nova University, even though Florida law expressly > prohibits him from lobbying the state office that he just left from for at > least two years. > > But in these days, who could expect any better. > > Jeff Armstrong > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clemi" <clemi@chipshot.net> > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > > > Hello A*s ... > > At the risk of offending the offended (judging from the countless > > e-mails on so many lists), I read the Govenor's letter below and it > > seems reasonable. > > > > It appears nothing will be lost as the permanent collection of the State > > Library and the State Archives will remain unchanged where they are (the > > R.A. Gray Building). > > > > His proposal is to move circulating collection of the State Library > > which he states, "consists of general volumes of fiction and > > non-fiction." The reason for this move appears to be fiscally sound plus > > they will be more accessable by increased circulation. Upon reading the > > letter, the cost per circulation to this point, is not good stewardship > > of the taxpayer's dollar. > > > > Nova Southeastern University is located in suburban Ft. Lauderdale. > > > > In closing ... while reading many of the angry e-mails concerning the > > proposed change of location for the circulating collection one thing > > occurred to me. Just how many Floridians ever bothered to look at the > > books, much less check one out? > > > > It is a shame it took this proposal for many to even know of its > > existance. But then, most people want their research available, done by > > someone else and placed on the Internet. > > > > My thoughts, > > clemi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Mgillot@aol.com> > > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 AM > > Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > > > I thought you might be interested in what Governor Bush sent to me in > > > response to my protest. I would say that it is a LOT OF NOTHING. > > > > > > Mary G. (Indpls.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Subj: State Library Relocation > > > Date: 2/28/2003 5:37:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time > > > From: <A > > HREF="mailto:Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com">Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com</A> > > > To: <A HREF="mailto:Mgillot@aol.com">Mgillot@aol.com</A> > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend: > > > > > > Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various > > views > > > and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and > > > Information Services and the circulating collection of the State > > Library. I > > > have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the > > > unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, > > educators, > > > scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns > > shared by > > > the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of > > our > > > state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would > > like > > > to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share > > your > > > thoughts with me on this important matter. > > > > > > I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the > > reasoning > > > behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been > > > circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not > > proposed, the > > > elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the > > State > > > Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published > > and > > > unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory > > until > > > present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and > > diaries, > > > photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous > > resource for > > > scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state > > > history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be > > housed in > > > the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of > > librarians > > > and archivists and appropriate support staff. > > > > > > However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State > > > Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, > > to > > > Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: > > > > > > First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library > > of > > > Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the > > > collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged > > communities. This > > > supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in > > > Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through > > the > > > Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan > > service, > > > all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout > > the > > > state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow > > user-generated > > > interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all > > great > > > achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as > > the > > > Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this > > success, > > > however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer > > > necessary. > > > > > > The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase > > > accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that > > in > > > its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. > > Last > > > year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, > > was > > > just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. > > Because of > > > the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the > > Florida > > > taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per > > circulation. > > > > > > > > > Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best > > use of > > > taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public > > > libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 > > million in > > > federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for > > library > > > cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our > > focus > > > will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's > > > communities. > > > > > > But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 > > million > > > in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating > > collection. > > > In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments > > passed > > > by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent > > > wisely. > > > > > > Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does > > not > > > merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the > > > collection. > > > > > > The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information > > > Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova > > Southeastern > > > University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and > > > Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation > > last > > > year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by > > the > > > collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered > > > borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that > > 82% of > > > the service population has a library card from this institution. Any > > person > > > who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and > > > students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while > > citizens > > > everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan > > program. No > > > Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of > > Floridians > > > will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented > > beginning > > > this July. > > > > > > Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to > > allow > > > the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's > > 469 > > > public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move > > forward in > > > implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic > > Library, > > > initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library > > > Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will > > > continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the > > unpublished > > > and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very > > > bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda > > Hood > > > and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I > > know > > > will be the best state library and archives in the nation. > > > > > > I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions > > with > > > me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my > > proposal and > > > its benefits to all Floridians. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Jeb Bush > > > > > > ______________________________ > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kQB.2ACIB/131.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: William H. Armstrong, this is out of the 1877 history of Knox Co., IL, haven't looked further yet but am still on the trail. ARMSTRONG, Williiam H., sone of Wm. H. and Saloma (Bennet) Armstrong (the former a native of Rhode Island and the later of Connecticut); was born in Connecticut June 28, 1818; was educated at a Theological Academy in Otsego Co., NY; early life passed in a store, but subsequently he learned the trade of carpenter and civil enginering, which he followed to some extent but is now an insurance agent; removed from Connecticut to New York, then to Galesburg, Ill., in 1858; served in the infantry, Co., D in buffalo., NY; married Mary J. Autor, November 1, 1848; who died June 1, 1875. They were the parents of ten Children . In 1849 he unitedwith the Congregational Church. In Politics is Republican. Postoffice, Galesburg. Hope this helps or maybe somebody else as their seems to be an abundance of Armstrongs with the same names an such and sometimes unless you have dates, parents, marriages, etc.; it is awful hard to distiquish between who is who. Sometimes I wonder how they kept themselves that way because you can find the same names being repeated in the same family. Guess they just knew by their faces. You can also email me at phenwick@winco.net. Happy Gene Hunting! Love Foxie http://www.usgennet.org/usa/il/county/warren/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Armstrong Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kQB.2ACIB/131.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for all the information.I will sort through it and hope something clicks! My William was a Justice of the Peace in Knox County, IL in 1858. I don't know his middle initial.

Jeff, when sending out political diatribes, please be sure that I am not included in the mailing. Thanks, Cousin Chuck -------Original Message------- From: Jeff Armstrong <karmstrong70@comcast.net> Sent: 03/06/03 09:52 PM To: ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > > Sad to say, we are living in times when our politicians are able to put out such disinformation as this, and people will often accept it at face value. It's not hard to understand how this can happen, however; since the politicians always have the podium, and it is often difficult (or impossible) to get the truth out. As someone who has been active in this process from the very beginning, and following all the developments closely, I believe I can set the record straight on the proposed closing of the State Archives and Library of Florida , not that it may change the outcome very much. Governor Bush has throughout his career been contemptuous of state government in general, and to the state government in Tallahassee in particular.(Even though he has been happy to serve in state government himself when it has served to advance his career.) Part of this undoubtedly has do with the fact that Florida state government workers have consistently voted Democratic. Governor Bush bewildered everyone when, in his re-inauguration speech, he wistfully mused about how nice it would be if all of the state government buildings around him could be empty. Florida faces some of the greatest budget deficits in state history, due in large part to a cumulative $35 billion in tax breaks granted by the Bush Administration in the past four years, benefitting mostly business special interests and the wealthiest in the state, including repeal of such things as the Intangibles Tax and even a special tax break for "adult entertainment." Under the guise of reducing the Florida budget deficit, Governor Bush's initial budget proposal allocated "zero dollars" not just for the State Library, but for the State Archives and the State Museum, with the intention of closing all of these facilities. The State Library collection was to be parcelled out to numerous libaries thoughout the state. The tremendously rare and fragile documents and artifacts of the State Archives and Museum were to go under the tutelage of the Department of Environmental Protection, even though this Department acknowledged that they had absolutely no expertise in the conservation of these items. A tremendous uproar ensued. Even the Governor's closest Republican political cronies in the state Legislature abandoned him due to the political fallout. He first tried to cover with a clumsy and hastily contrived proposal that the Library and Archives weren't going to leave Tallahassee at all; they were just going to be moved down the road to Florida State University. F.S.U. didn't have the space to accomodate the collection, however, and refused it unless the Governor would allocate additional funds to house the collection. The latest iteration of his bumbling was presented in the letter forwarded to the list. Now, the Archives (and perhaps the Museum) are not to be closed at all; and the State Library would be transferred to Nova Southeastern University. And Nova would be given $5 million dollars for the favor of taking those musty old books off our hands. This would be done in the interest (as stated in the Governor's letter) of making the books more accessible to the people of Florida. An important point here is that the reason why the 150 year old State Library was located in Tallahassee in the first place was not because this was felt to be the most accessible location, but to satisfy state statutes. Florida state statutes require that there must be a state libary located in Tallahassee to serve the information and reference services of the state government. The Governor plans to circumvent and usurp this statute, however, by re-designating the State Archives as a "libary", even though it has none of the traditional functions of a library, such as lending and Reference services. It is interesting, however, that the Governor is trying to promote this scheme based on the notion that it will increase the accessibility of the materials; the State Library is an active participant in the Inter-libary loan program, and always has been. It that sense, the materials are available not only to all the residents of Florida but even all the residents in the country. One more footnote is appropriate. No one could figure out how it came about that Nova University became chosen as the recipient of the state's largesse in giving them the State Library's collection and another $5 million to take the books off our hands. We got that answer this week. It was revealed that longtime Republican Bush political crony Jim Smith, who just left a couple of months ago as Florida Secretary of State, and under whose authority was the state Archives and Library, had negotiated the deal as a paid lobbyist for Nova University, even though Florida law expressly prohibits him from lobbying the state office that he just left from for at least two years. But in these days, who could expect any better. Jeff Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemi" <clemi@chipshot.net> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > Hello A*s ... > At the risk of offending the offended (judging from the countless > e-mails on so many lists), I read the Govenor's letter below and it > seems reasonable. > > It appears nothing will be lost as the permanent collection of the State > Library and the State Archives will remain unchanged where they are (the > R.A. Gray Building). > > His proposal is to move circulating collection of the State Library > which he states, "consists of general volumes of fiction and > non-fiction." The reason for this move appears to be fiscally sound plus > they will be more accessable by increased circulation. Upon reading the > letter, the cost per circulation to this point, is not good stewardship > of the taxpayer's dollar. > > Nova Southeastern University is located in suburban Ft. Lauderdale. > > In closing ... while reading many of the angry e-mails concerning the > proposed change of location for the circulating collection one thing > occurred to me. Just how many Floridians ever bothered to look at the > books, much less check one out? > > It is a shame it took this proposal for many to even know of its > existance. But then, most people want their research available, done by > someone else and placed on the Internet. > > My thoughts, > clemi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mgillot@aol.com> > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 AM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > I thought you might be interested in what Governor Bush sent to me in > > response to my protest. I would say that it is a LOT OF NOTHING. > > > > Mary G. (Indpls.) > > > > > > > > Subj: State Library Relocation > > Date: 2/28/2003 5:37:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A > HREF="mailto:Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com">Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com</A> > > To: <A HREF="mailto:Mgillot@aol.com">Mgillot@aol.com</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > Dear Friend: > > > > Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various > views > > and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and > > Information Services and the circulating collection of the State > Library. I > > have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the > > unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, > educators, > > scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns > shared by > > the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of > our > > state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would > like > > to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share > your > > thoughts with me on this important matter. > > > > I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the > reasoning > > behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been > > circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not > proposed, the > > elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the > State > > Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published > and > > unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory > until > > present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and > diaries, > > photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous > resource for > > scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state > > history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be > housed in > > the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of > librarians > > and archivists and appropriate support staff. > > > > However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State > > Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, > to > > Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: > > > > First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library > of > > Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the > > collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged > communities. This > > supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in > > Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through > the > > Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan > service, > > all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout > the > > state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow > user-generated > > interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all > great > > achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as > the > > Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this > success, > > however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer > > necessary. > > > > The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase > > accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that > in > > its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. > Last > > year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, > was > > just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. > Because of > > the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the > Florida > > taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per > circulation. > > > > > > Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best > use of > > taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public > > libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 > million in > > federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for > library > > cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our > focus > > will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's > > communities. > > > > But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 > million > > in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating > collection. > > In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments > passed > > by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent > > wisely. > > > > Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does > not > > merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the > > collection. > > > > The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information > > Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova > Southeastern > > University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and > > Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation > last > > year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by > the > > collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered > > borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that > 82% of > > the service population has a library card from this institution. Any > person > > who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and > > students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while > citizens > > everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan > program. No > > Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of > Floridians > > will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented > beginning > > this July. > > > > Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to > allow > > the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's > 469 > > public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move > forward in > > implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic > Library, > > initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library > > Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will > > continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the > unpublished > > and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very > > bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda > Hood > > and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I > know > > will be the best state library and archives in the nation. > > > > I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions > with > > me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my > proposal and > > its benefits to all Floridians. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeb Bush > > > > ______________________________ > >

Sad to say, we are living in times when our politicians are able to put out such disinformation as this, and people will often accept it at face value. It's not hard to understand how this can happen, however; since the politicians always have the podium, and it is often difficult (or impossible) to get the truth out. As someone who has been active in this process from the very beginning, and following all the developments closely, I believe I can set the record straight on the proposed closing of the State Archives and Library of Florida , not that it may change the outcome very much. Governor Bush has throughout his career been contemptuous of state government in general, and to the state government in Tallahassee in particular.(Even though he has been happy to serve in state government himself when it has served to advance his career.) Part of this undoubtedly has do with the fact that Florida state government workers have consistently voted Democratic. Governor Bush bewildered everyone when, in his re-inauguration speech, he wistfully mused about how nice it would be if all of the state government buildings around him could be empty. Florida faces some of the greatest budget deficits in state history, due in large part to a cumulative $35 billion in tax breaks granted by the Bush Administration in the past four years, benefitting mostly business special interests and the wealthiest in the state, including repeal of such things as the Intangibles Tax and even a special tax break for "adult entertainment." Under the guise of reducing the Florida budget deficit, Governor Bush's initial budget proposal allocated "zero dollars" not just for the State Library, but for the State Archives and the State Museum, with the intention of closing all of these facilities. The State Library collection was to be parcelled out to numerous libaries thoughout the state. The tremendously rare and fragile documents and artifacts of the State Archives and Museum were to go under the tutelage of the Department of Environmental Protection, even though this Department acknowledged that they had absolutely no expertise in the conservation of these items. A tremendous uproar ensued. Even the Governor's closest Republican political cronies in the state Legislature abandoned him due to the political fallout. He first tried to cover with a clumsy and hastily contrived proposal that the Library and Archives weren't going to leave Tallahassee at all; they were just going to be moved down the road to Florida State University. F.S.U. didn't have the space to accomodate the collection, however, and refused it unless the Governor would allocate additional funds to house the collection. The latest iteration of his bumbling was presented in the letter forwarded to the list. Now, the Archives (and perhaps the Museum) are not to be closed at all; and the State Library would be transferred to Nova Southeastern University. And Nova would be given $5 million dollars for the favor of taking those musty old books off our hands. This would be done in the interest (as stated in the Governor's letter) of making the books more accessible to the people of Florida. An important point here is that the reason why the 150 year old State Library was located in Tallahassee in the first place was not because this was felt to be the most accessible location, but to satisfy state statutes. Florida state statutes require that there must be a state libary located in Tallahassee to serve the information and reference services of the state government. The Governor plans to circumvent and usurp this statute, however, by re-designating the State Archives as a "libary", even though it has none of the traditional functions of a library, such as lending and Reference services. It is interesting, however, that the Governor is trying to promote this scheme based on the notion that it will increase the accessibility of the materials; the State Library is an active participant in the Inter-libary loan program, and always has been. It that sense, the materials are available not only to all the residents of Florida but even all the residents in the country. One more footnote is appropriate. No one could figure out how it came about that Nova University became chosen as the recipient of the state's largesse in giving them the State Library's collection and another $5 million to take the books off our hands. We got that answer this week. It was revealed that longtime Republican Bush political crony Jim Smith, who just left a couple of months ago as Florida Secretary of State, and under whose authority was the state Archives and Library, had negotiated the deal as a paid lobbyist for Nova University, even though Florida law expressly prohibits him from lobbying the state office that he just left from for at least two years. But in these days, who could expect any better. Jeff Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemi" <clemi@chipshot.net> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > Hello A*s ... > At the risk of offending the offended (judging from the countless > e-mails on so many lists), I read the Govenor's letter below and it > seems reasonable. > > It appears nothing will be lost as the permanent collection of the State > Library and the State Archives will remain unchanged where they are (the > R.A. Gray Building). > > His proposal is to move circulating collection of the State Library > which he states, "consists of general volumes of fiction and > non-fiction." The reason for this move appears to be fiscally sound plus > they will be more accessable by increased circulation. Upon reading the > letter, the cost per circulation to this point, is not good stewardship > of the taxpayer's dollar. > > Nova Southeastern University is located in suburban Ft. Lauderdale. > > In closing ... while reading many of the angry e-mails concerning the > proposed change of location for the circulating collection one thing > occurred to me. Just how many Floridians ever bothered to look at the > books, much less check one out? > > It is a shame it took this proposal for many to even know of its > existance. But then, most people want their research available, done by > someone else and placed on the Internet. > > My thoughts, > clemi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mgillot@aol.com> > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 AM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > I thought you might be interested in what Governor Bush sent to me in > > response to my protest. I would say that it is a LOT OF NOTHING. > > > > Mary G. (Indpls.) > > > > > > > > Subj: State Library Relocation > > Date: 2/28/2003 5:37:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time > > From: <A > HREF="mailto:Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com">Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com</A> > > To: <A HREF="mailto:Mgillot@aol.com">Mgillot@aol.com</A> > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > Dear Friend: > > > > Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various > views > > and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and > > Information Services and the circulating collection of the State > Library. I > > have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the > > unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, > educators, > > scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns > shared by > > the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of > our > > state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would > like > > to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share > your > > thoughts with me on this important matter. > > > > I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the > reasoning > > behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been > > circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not > proposed, the > > elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the > State > > Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published > and > > unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory > until > > present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and > diaries, > > photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous > resource for > > scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state > > history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be > housed in > > the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of > librarians > > and archivists and appropriate support staff. > > > > However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State > > Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, > to > > Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: > > > > First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library > of > > Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the > > collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged > communities. This > > supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in > > Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through > the > > Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan > service, > > all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout > the > > state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow > user-generated > > interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all > great > > achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as > the > > Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this > success, > > however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer > > necessary. > > > > The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase > > accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that > in > > its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. > Last > > year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, > was > > just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. > Because of > > the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the > Florida > > taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per > circulation. > > > > > > Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best > use of > > taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public > > libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 > million in > > federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for > library > > cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our > focus > > will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's > > communities. > > > > But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 > million > > in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating > collection. > > In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments > passed > > by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent > > wisely. > > > > Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does > not > > merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the > > collection. > > > > The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information > > Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova > Southeastern > > University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and > > Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation > last > > year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by > the > > collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered > > borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that > 82% of > > the service population has a library card from this institution. Any > person > > who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and > > students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while > citizens > > everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan > program. No > > Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of > Floridians > > will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented > beginning > > this July. > > > > Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to > allow > > the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's > 469 > > public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move > forward in > > implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic > Library, > > initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library > > Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will > > continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the > unpublished > > and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very > > bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda > Hood > > and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I > know > > will be the best state library and archives in the nation. > > > > I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions > with > > me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my > proposal and > > its benefits to all Floridians. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeb Bush > > > > ______________________________ >

List, I decided to send this to the list because a few people have been using their time to look up info. on Paul Howard and the Cotton Pickers and writing me privately. I want everyone to know that Penny Armstrong sent the info. below to me right after I wrote. I am certainly greatful to everyone who has responded. My earlier efforts to find out about Paul pre-dated the existence of google. Now, it seems, there is quite a bit about him on the web. Also, his music is being played on radio stations west of the MS River that play western swing "roots" music. There IS an Armstrong connection to all this. My first cousin Rosella Dean, who was married to Paul and is mentioned in the bio below, was the daughter of my aunt Garnet ARMSTRONG, so Rosella was an Armstrong too. Rosella's only child, born 3 yrs. before Rosella's death in 1977, doesn't remember her mother. We Armstrong cousins like to tell her stories about her mother and now, thanks to this info., we are planning to check out some old Paul Howard recordings to see if Rosella's voice appears on any of them. Herma Armstrong near Buffalo, NY hrarmstrong@juno.com >From Penny Armstrong: found this at www.musicweb.uk.net/encyclopaedia/h/H216.HTM - 5k HOWARD Paul (b 10 July '13, Midland AR, d 18 June '84) Western Swing bandleader, singer, songwriter and mult-instrumentalist, reputed to be first to play electric guitar on Nashville's Grand Ole Opry. Started playing guitar in teens and started his career on local radio in Phoenix, Arizona '31. Worked in farming, mining and as a salesman alongside showbusiness. Joined Opry '40, signed as a songwriter with Acuff-Rose; led Arkansas Cotton Pickers, a nine-piece band with multiple basses to make up for lack of drums, still taboo on the Opry stage, with wife Rosella featured as sometime vocalist and co-writer. Recorded for Columbia '45-7 and King '48. Left Opry '49 and worked in Houston, then to Shreveport to host Louisiana Hayride. Toured with the Cotton Pickers and Paul Howard Band through to mid-'70s. Albums incl. Faded Picture Blues '70 on King. And this has his biography www.theiceberg.com/artist/26974/paul_howard/ - 17k There is a lot on google when you type "cotton pickers" "paul howard" >From the google sites I have learned: A British company has gone through King Records vaults and put together some compilations. One is called ShuffleTown - Western Swing on King 1946-50; it has 2 Paul Howard tracks on it. It was done in 2001 and is a CD. From everything I've seen at these links, Paul Howard's name is spoken with a great deal of respect by afficionados of this type of music. The "Nashville Scene," which is the site talking about the compilation CD of old King recordings, refers to the Paul Howard selections as the "real jewels" of the CD. And another site refers to his band as a "boot camp" for great Nashville players of the future. Among the well known musicians who got their start with Paul Howard are bassist Bob Moore and guitarist Hank Garland. Garland was hired as a 15 yr old by Howard. He stayed about a yr., then played with Little Jimmy Dickens, Marty Robbins, and a host of Nasville luminaries. It's Garland who plays the Spanish stuff in Marty Robbins "The Streets of El Paso." He also played on a couple of Elvis records and - ta da - that's Garland playing the famous guitar riff in Roy Orbinson's "Pretty Woman." Moore played with just about everyone who was anyone in Nashville. Paul Howard was one of the first country-western guys to have drums. His first drummer was Joe Morella, who eventually played with Dave Brubeck. >From these google links, there appear to be a lot stations west of the Mississippi that are playing western swing "roots" music much as we hear a lot of blues "roots" music here in the East. Many of these links amout to nothing more than their playlists that include a selection or 2 from Paul Howard and the Arkansas Cotton Pickers.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/kQB.2ACIB/2398.1 Message Board Post: Where are You!!! Oh my God, I have been looking for someone in this family for many, many years!!!! I am Great-Great-Grandson of Henry Harry Armstrong and Johanna Loretta O'Shea! "Harry" was son of Jason Jesse Armstrong and Jane (Hansburg or Clark???) That you speak of. The family lived in Rome and moved to Oswego about 1878 as the Railroad shops relocated there. Jason Jesse was a well known fabricator of "diamond stacks" for engines. Harry worked with his Dad in the shops and met Johanna through her brothers. ALl contact was severed with Armstrongs when Jason died and he married Johanna who was Catholic. I know exactly where Jason & Jane are buried, have been trying to get their birthdates right to get a stone for there. Only thing I knew from Gram (who died in 1992 always wanting to know more about the Armstrongs) is that a brother Sam who was an attorney (??) or executor (??) for a family member came up in the 1910s or 20s to have Harry sign some papers. I live near Oswego and really am anxious to hear from you and compare notes. Harry and Johanna have 2 grandchildren left. I have all the descendants documented.

Carol, my ggrf Robert Armstrong was born in Parkersburg, West Virginia in l843. I don't have any info on his partents. I understand my Robert Armstrong went to Missouri around the age of l6. I lurk here hoping to one day make a connection to his parents and his siblings he lost contact with after civil war. I hope to give more time to this in the future. Good luck, Hilda ----- Original Message ----- From: <alarmst@ntelos.net> To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Armstrong's from West Virginia > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2602 > > Message Board Post: > > Just wondering if there are any Armstrong's from West Virginia. I am searching for information on Archibald and Robert Armstrong from Greenbrier and Fayette Co. West Virginia. Thanks for any help. > Carol > >

Mary, more from my friend about buglers in the Civil War. Are you starting to be sorry you asked? Cousin Marilyn marilyn, My friend said that there is a bugle site at www.ACWBUGLER.ORG which has pictures of bugles, soldiers playing bugles, lists of the actual bugle calls and you can actually listen to the bugle calls for various tasks. Cousin Frank

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2602 Message Board Post: Just wondering if there are any Armstrong's from West Virginia. I am searching for information on Archibald and Robert Armstrong from Greenbrier and Fayette Co. West Virginia. Thanks for any help. Carol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2600.1 Message Board Post: OMG finally someone with a link ive been searching and searching! ive an ella (elle) armstrong who married luther cope they lived in green co IL ella (elle) died 2 years after she had my great grammie in 1898 please email me maybe we can try to get further! res0yw63@verizon.net

I have to cast another "Aye" vote about Gov. Jeb Bush's proposal re the changes in the library system in Florida. That $68 per circulation (I think that's the correct figure) sounds awfully wasteful to me. And I agree that it sounds as if most Floridians aren't too interested in using those books. Barb in MO

Mary, I asked my friend about buglers in the Civil War and here is his reply... Cousin Marilyn Marilyn, The bugler played at pardes, funerals, dreess reviews and played in a band to entertain the troops. He also was the clock of the camp and people did things according to what tune was played. In a cavalry battle, a bugle was played by a soldier on a horse and was used to give the oders that the commnader gave by voice but could not be heard in battle. If the question is " would the bugle player always have the rank of muscian, I don't know. You could and you still can enlist as a muscian.

In a message dated 3/5/2003 8:53:28 AM US Eastern Standard Time, hgdonald@knology.net writes: > > The fate of the FL archives is of interest to, and within the scope of, the > Armstrong-GO list; political commentary is not. Helen, You are absolutely right. I apologize to everyone who was offended. Mary G. (Indpls)

Whatever Jeb wants to do is fine with me. ca > [Original Message] > From: Debbie <debtaff@yahoo.com> > To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/5/2003 8:33:16 AM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] RE: FL State Library > > > Sounds reasonable and fiscally responsible to me. > ARMSTRONG-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote:______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:19:49 EST > From: Mgillot@aol.com > To: ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > > Dear Listers, > > I thought you might be interested in what Governor Bush sent to me in > response to my protest. I would say that it is a LOT OF NOTHING. > > Mary G. (Indpls.) > > > > Subj: State Library Relocation > Date: 2/28/2003 5:37:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time > From: Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com > To: Mgillot@aol.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > Dear Friend: > > Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various views > and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and > Information Services and the circulating collection of the State Library. I > have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the > unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, educators, > scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns shared by > the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of our > state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would like > to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share your > thoughts with me on this important matter. > > I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the reasoning > behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been > circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not proposed, the > elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the State > Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published and > unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory until > present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and diaries, > photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous resource for > scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state > history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be housed in > the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of librarians > and archivists and appropriate support staff. > > However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State > Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, to > Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: > > First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library of > Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the > collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged communities. This > supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in > Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through the > Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan service, > all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout the > state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow user-generated > interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all great > achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as the > Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this success, > however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer > necessary. > > The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase > accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that in > its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. Last > year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, was > just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. Because of > the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the Florida > taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per circulation. > > > Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best use of > taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public > libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 million in > federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for library > cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our focus > will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's > communities. > > But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 million > in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating collection. > In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments passed > by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent > wisely. > > Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does not > merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the > collection. > > The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information > Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova Southeastern > University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and > Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation last > year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by the > collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered > borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that 82% of > the service population has a library card from this institution. Any person > who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and > students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while citizens > everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan program. No > Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of Floridians > will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented beginning > this July. > > Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to allow > the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's 469 > public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move forward in > implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic Library, > initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library > Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will > continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the unpublished > and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very > bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda Hood > and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I know > will be the best state library and archives in the nation. > > I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions with > me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my proposal and > its benefits to all Floridians. > > Sincerely, > Jeb Bush > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/2601 Message Board Post: Dawn Yes our grandfathers were first cousins. I had only known your grandfather as Lafayette...now I find out that his first name was John and that he is the third to boot. Even though it was his grandfather Thomas H's brother who was the second. What is it with these guys can't they go by their first names. My Grandfather was William Chester and he married Ethel Pearl Crawford (who was supposedly born in South Dakota in 1899). The had 12 or 13 (I've heard varying stories) children only 10 lived to adulthood, my mother was the second oldest and they were all born in Hibbing, Minn. Grandpa had gone there looking for work in the open pit mines as a steamshovel operator. Yes, I look forward to hearing all about as much as possible. I have to run for now, but email me soon. Take care cuz. Barbara

Well they can just get offended. I thought action was reasonable. You're right about people wanting it for free. I delete dozens of messages a week from people who want me to run down to the courthouse or library and copy something for them. Or go out an walk a cemetery and find their relatives. I maintain several websites for county level genealogy and I get complaints all the time from people that I don't have the entire history of their family online for them. But do they offer to send me something to post. Not a chance. Gene At 03:12 PM 3/5/03, Clemi wrote: >Hello A*s ... >At the risk of offending the offended (judging from the countless >e-mails on so many lists), I read the Govenor's letter below and it >seems reasonable. > >It appears nothing will be lost as the permanent collection of the State >Library and the State Archives will remain unchanged where they are (the >R.A. Gray Building). > >His proposal is to move circulating collection of the State Library >which he states, "consists of general volumes of fiction and >non-fiction." The reason for this move appears to be fiscally sound plus >they will be more accessable by increased circulation. Upon reading the >letter, the cost per circulation to this point, is not good stewardship >of the taxpayer's dollar. > >Nova Southeastern University is located in suburban Ft. Lauderdale. > >In closing ... while reading many of the angry e-mails concerning the >proposed change of location for the circulating collection one thing >occurred to me. Just how many Floridians ever bothered to look at the >books, much less check one out? > >It is a shame it took this proposal for many to even know of its >existance. But then, most people want their research available, done by >someone else and placed on the Internet. > >My thoughts, >clemi > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Mgillot@aol.com> >To: <ARMSTRONG-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:19 AM >Subject: [ARMSTRONG-L] Re: FL State Library--Jeb's Answer > > >> Dear Listers, >> >> I thought you might be interested in what Governor Bush sent to me in >> response to my protest. I would say that it is a LOT OF NOTHING. >> >> Mary G. (Indpls.) >> >> >> >> Subj: State Library Relocation >> Date: 2/28/2003 5:37:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time >> From: <A >HREF="mailto:Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com">Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com</A> >> To: <A HREF="mailto:Mgillot@aol.com">Mgillot@aol.com</A> >> Sent from the Internet (Details) >> >> >> Dear Friend: >> >> Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various >views >> and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and >> Information Services and the circulating collection of the State >Library. I >> have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the >> unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, >educators, >> scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns >shared by >> the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of >our >> state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would >like >> to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share >your >> thoughts with me on this important matter. >> >> I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the >reasoning >> behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been >> circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not >proposed, the >> elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the >State >> Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published >and >> unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory >until >> present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and >diaries, >> photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous >resource for >> scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state >> history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be >housed in >> the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of >librarians >> and archivists and appropriate support staff. >> >> However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State >> Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, >to >> Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: >> >> First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library >of >> Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the >> collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged >communities. This >> supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in >> Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through >the >> Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan >service, >> all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout >the >> state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow >user-generated >> interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all >great >> achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as >the >> Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this >success, >> however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer >> necessary. >> >> The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase >> accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that >in >> its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. >Last >> year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, >was >> just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. >Because of >> the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the >Florida >> taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per >circulation. >> >> >> Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best >use of >> taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public >> libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 >million in >> federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for >library >> cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our >focus >> will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's >> communities. >> >> But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 >million >> in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating >collection. >> In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments >passed >> by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent >> wisely. >> >> Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does >not >> merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the >> collection. >> >> The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information >> Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova >Southeastern >> University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and >> Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation >last >> year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by >the >> collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered >> borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that >82% of >> the service population has a library card from this institution. Any >person >> who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and >> students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while >citizens >> everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan >program. No >> Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of >Floridians >> will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented >beginning >> this July. >> >> Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to >allow >> the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's >469 >> public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move >forward in >> implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic >Library, >> initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library >> Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will >> continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the >unpublished >> and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very >> bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda >Hood >> and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I >know >> will be the best state library and archives in the nation. >> >> I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions >with >> me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my >proposal and >> its benefits to all Floridians. >> >> Sincerely, >> Jeb Bush >> >> ______________________________