Funny to discuss Gardners on the Armstrong list but then funny things happen on the Armstrong list. We haven't a clue where our Gardners came from First show up here in NC in 1770. There are people on my DNA page who are descended from the Nantucket Gardners. I'd be happy to claim them but they don't match our markers. In fact, only a guy name LaMor matches us so far which means either my Gardners were great lovers or those LaMors had wonderful gardens. I prefer the former. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Web Site > OK, you guys...I have both Drakes and Gardners in my mother's genealogy. > In > fact, Drake was a name I started with when I began this obsessive hobby. > My > grandmother was a Drake and she had the genealogy all the way back to 1654 > in this country...and I began with the peripheral names to do more > research. > My mother's father had Gardners in his line. Both were New England > branches. > > It's interesting that you are stuck with your Gardners around 1770s. My > Gardners settled near Salem MA in the 1600s, went to Nantucket with a few > pioneers who were Quakers. Gardner was a very big name there but around > the > time your ancestors are found in the south is about the same time a lot of > folks from Nantucket left for the south including a bunch of Gardners. > The > forests had pretty much been cut down, the harbor was silting up and the > British were harassing the whaling and trade along the coast. My Gardner > branch was about the only one I've found so far of that bunch who went up > to > the wilds of Maine to settle, but many more ended up in the NC area. Have > you looked for your earliest Gardner in New England, specifically > Nantucket? > Just wondering... > > These folks were my mother's ancestors...then she married my Dad who was > an > Armstrong. > > Marilyn (the one with only one N) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Web Site > > >> Dear MM, >> >> One of the members on the Drake List is also a Gardner. Rick Gardner. >> But he lives in Michigan, I think and is not likely a NC Gardner. Rick >> is a Drake in my line from about the year 1770 in Virginia. >> >> Tom >> >> Marilynn Masten wrote: >>> When you have nothing else to do, take a look at our Gardner/Garner Web >>> Site http://www.usroots.com/~gardners/. We just wanted to prove the >>> point that genealogical research need not be dry. >>> Marilynn >>> IBSSG >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

What is ELL? I know what ESL is, but not ELL. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Johnston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] occupations > Mary, > Sounds like you had a nightmare experience. I am preparing to teach ELL > classes and am considering it for adults. Thanks for providing a view from > the trenches. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] occupations > > >> Ah, teaching. Try an evening class of mixed gender and age, mixed ethnic, >> non-native, college age, and older returning students!! I retired after >> that >> one. There are still some serious students, who come to class on time, >> turn in >> their work on time, etc. but they are in the minority, and replaced by >> mouthy, >> disrespectful, and manipulative (blank) Add to that some of them use >> drugs, or >> should be on them for their 'disorders.' >> >> And the pay is horrible. So that's my spiel on teaching. Mary in >> beautiful >> weather now GA >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My goodness, that is very interesting, Jill. I had no idea. What an experience for you...and of course, nothing you could ever forget. Thanks for that posting. What a lot of experiences of life we Armstrongs have had. Marilyn (one N) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Johnston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] occupations > John, > I was on Majuro from Dec.1985 til Feb. 1988. Went to assist the local > Baha'i > community and to teach school in a private, non-parochial cooperative > school > begun some years earlier by former Peace Corps people who had married > locals > and wanted a U.S. grade education for their kids. > > The Marshallese govt gives funding to ALL schools, public & private, > because > it can't afford to provide teachers and school buildings to house all its > kids. There is very little land (Majuro atoll is only about 30 mi. long > and > in several places a guy could throw a rock from oceanside to lagoonside) > and > very many kids, and that's BEFORE kids come in from the outer islands. > Admittance at the public high school is through a competitive process due > to > lack of space, and not all islands even have a high school. At that time, > teachers were poorly prepared, knew little about classroom management, and > had few or no books. The education system was a mess. > > I lived in a Marshallese neighborhood, in a tin-roofed, plywood shack that > had, unlike the neighbors, electricity, refrigeration, and an electric > cooking stove. We had govt imposed water hours, so when we heard on the > radio when those were, we tried to have someone at home to fill the 30 gal > garbage can we kept for just that purpose. (I got so good at conserving > water that I could shower and wash my hair with the water in one toy sand > bucket!) When it rained, people would stand under the eaves and shampoo > their hair. One year, we didn't have ANY water hours for 2 wks! Droughts > and > rising sea levels are devastating there. High elevation was less than 20 > feet, so with such limited land, any loss is major. > > Our neighbors cooked outside using coconut husk fires; they also washed & > hung their laundry outdoors. The children readily took in our son Jim, and > taught him how to use a soup can lid cutter to make sail boats from > aluminum > pop cans. They were very resourceful; most kids, even as young as three or > four, could juggle the coral rocks.They'd play ball using old pieces of > plywood or sticks for bats and coral rocks or rubber balls to hit. And > talk > about accuracy-- I swear those kids could throw a rock and hit anything > they > targeted! :-) > > I was on Kwaj (paradise of the Pacific) two times, once on my way to > Ebeye, > and once returning. I was thoroughly disgusted, and my blood still boils > at > the thought of the injustices of that situation. Because I am white, no > one > noticed when I wandered away from the landing area and moseyed into the > Kwaj > grocery store. I couldn't believe my eyes: fresh veggies that could've > been > in any U.S. supermarket. Everything was spacious, clean, and > well-stocked.Even in the capital city (Majuro) we didn't have access to > that > quality of goods. And the physical area was like a well-tended U.S. golf > course, manicure, watered, green LAWN (not just grass), painted and > maintained apartments. > > Meanwhile, just three miles away via a diesel-stinking 'cattle car' of a > shuttle boat, was Ebeye, home of the under-paid Marshallese workers who > did > the maintenance and service jobs on Kwaj. Conditions caused Ebeye to be > called the hell-hole of the Pacific. Over-crowded into rotting plywood and > tim-roofed shacks, Marshallese had barely enough room to pass another > person > between 'houses.' There were no patches of grass, only a few isolated > strands due to heavy foot traffic, lack of space and lack of water. There > was no source of fresh water except what the U.S. base on Kwaj brought > over > in a tanker a couple of times a week. There may have been a few private > wells which tapped into fresh water lenses (there were on Majuro), but I > didn't see any. No space for gardens. There was one basketball court-- > yippee. And in the grocery store, it was absolutely shameful: the produce > shelves were empty except for a few squishy, brown celery stalks fit only > for pigs. > > I am still aghast at the disparity of conditions and the lack of > conscience > shown by the U.S. govt toward the Trust Territory peoples. And I won't > EVEN > go into the Bikini bomb test fiasco. It is another case of > misrepresentations, lies, and broken or half-kept promises just like the > American Indian mess. (The Brits did the same to their Pacific island > trustees.) Governments just use and abuse the powerless. I hadn't really > had > the opportunity to see that before. > > Before I left, they were constructing a desalination plant on Ebeye so > there > would be fresh water available. And, of course, the Trust Territory is no > more, the Marshalls having been 'granted' free association status. I've > never been completely sure of just what that entails, but I do know that > Marshallese citizens can move into the U.S. freely. > > Living in the Marshalls was, in many ways, like rolling back U.S. time 30 > years and more. For example, few businesses even had phones; bank casheirs > still did math with pencil/paper and the lines were long and slow-moving. > But at the same time, there was inundation by video and TV, creating > awareness of and desire for 'stuff'. And, unfortunately, it was these > media > that provided many people with their major source of English language > experience (God forbid!) and with their ideas of appropriate and 'normal' > U.S. lifestyle, behavior, etc. > > Meanwhile, the traditional Marshallese culture has taken huge hits. > People's > traditional roles are, for the most part, no longer available and there > was, > at least at that time, nothing to replace them, so break-ins, juvenile > drinking, etc. was becoming a problem; unemployment was high, and wages > were > pathetic. Since life on the OUTER islands, such as Mili, was still > relatively cashless, families on Majuro were strained to the max when > relatives came in to try to find work or waiting get to the airport to go > to > Honolulu for medical issues. > > All in all, living in the Marshalls was, hands down, the most stimulating, > awareness-raising, and valuable experience I've ever had!!! It was hugely > enriching, and it made me aware of the difference between being a toursit > and living in another culture: it's the difference between being among, > observing and being an active part of. I find that I am no longer > fulfilled by being a tourist. > > John, I'm not going off on you personally. I just have to clear my pipes > on > the subject occasionally. :-) No offense intended. I'd be interested in > your experiences there. > > Jill in Washington state > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Armstrong" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] occupations > > > > >> Jill, >> When were you in the Marshall Islands??? >> I lived on Kwajalein from Jan 1958 to April of 1959.. >> >> I retired from farming at the age of 17 >> and chose a 30 yr career in the US Navy.. >> >> Sincerely, >> John D >> A little SoWest of North > >>>College works, though. Taught an education class in the Marshall Islands >>>(in >>>the central Pacific). What an experience! The government assigned >>>'teachers' >>>to be sent to the outer islands, but none had any teaching background. In >>>fact some were nurses, etc. So I had to design a course on >>>everything-you-need-to-know-to-manage-students-and-teach. Challenging, >>>but >>>very satisfying! >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, well, it was worth a try, Linda. Yes, I know Eliza Jane, Annabella, Isabella, etc., were common names, but when I saw, also, the coincidence of Co. Tyrone, I perked up my eyeballs. My Eliza was born around 1861 in Termonmaguirk, Co. Tyrone, came to the USA with her parents and baby brother around 1867. It was worth a try, though, huh? Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hamid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: [ARMSTRONG] My Eliza Jane Armstrong > > Marilyn, my Eliza Jane was born in 1845 in County Tyrone, Dungannon, N. > Ireland. She migrated to New Zealand and married William Rylance. She > died > in 1917 and is buried in Auckland, New Zealand. I visited her grave site > on > my trip. For some reason she and her husband chose to not have a headstone > but the gravesite is close to where my cousin Margaret's family is buried > so > we visited them all. I think Eliza Jane was a very popular name in those > days, sort of like Jennifer these days! - Linda Hamid > > Hey, Linda... > Do you know my grandfather had an older sister named Eliza Jane Armstrong > born in Co. Tyrone? I know it was not an uncommon name so I won't get too > excited about it yet...but it's an odd coincidence, isn't it. Do you know > where your Eliza Jane was born and did she come to the USA? > > Marilyn Otterson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, you guys...I have both Drakes and Gardners in my mother's genealogy. In fact, Drake was a name I started with when I began this obsessive hobby. My grandmother was a Drake and she had the genealogy all the way back to 1654 in this country...and I began with the peripheral names to do more research. My mother's father had Gardners in his line. Both were New England branches. It's interesting that you are stuck with your Gardners around 1770s. My Gardners settled near Salem MA in the 1600s, went to Nantucket with a few pioneers who were Quakers. Gardner was a very big name there but around the time your ancestors are found in the south is about the same time a lot of folks from Nantucket left for the south including a bunch of Gardners. The forests had pretty much been cut down, the harbor was silting up and the British were harassing the whaling and trade along the coast. My Gardner branch was about the only one I've found so far of that bunch who went up to the wilds of Maine to settle, but many more ended up in the NC area. Have you looked for your earliest Gardner in New England, specifically Nantucket? Just wondering... These folks were my mother's ancestors...then she married my Dad who was an Armstrong. Marilyn (the one with only one N) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Web Site > Dear MM, > > One of the members on the Drake List is also a Gardner. Rick Gardner. > But he lives in Michigan, I think and is not likely a NC Gardner. Rick > is a Drake in my line from about the year 1770 in Virginia. > > Tom > > Marilynn Masten wrote: >> When you have nothing else to do, take a look at our Gardner/Garner Web >> Site http://www.usroots.com/~gardners/. We just wanted to prove the >> point that genealogical research need not be dry. >> Marilynn >> IBSSG >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"My Gardner branch was about the only one I've found so far of that bunch who went up to the wilds of Maine to settle, but many more ended up in the NC area." Marilyn, did your Gardner branch end up in Machias, ME by any chance? My Armstrongs are from Machias and I run into a lot of Gardners when going through the census info. Patty Monroe, CT

Dear MO, Rick Gardner's and my John Drake sailed to VA from England about 1750. His son James Francis Drake landed in Scott Co, KY. He left a will and a couple kids. Tom Marilyn Otterson wrote: > OK, you guys...I have both Drakes and Gardners in my mother's genealogy. In > fact, Drake was a name I started with when I began this obsessive hobby. My > grandmother was a Drake and she had the genealogy all the way back to 1654 > in this country...and I began with the peripheral names to do more research. > My mother's father had Gardners in his line. Both were New England > branches. > > It's interesting that you are stuck with your Gardners around 1770s. My > Gardners settled near Salem MA in the 1600s, went to Nantucket with a few > pioneers who were Quakers. Gardner was a very big name there but around the > time your ancestors are found in the south is about the same time a lot of > folks from Nantucket left for the south including a bunch of Gardners. The > forests had pretty much been cut down, the harbor was silting up and the > British were harassing the whaling and trade along the coast. My Gardner > branch was about the only one I've found so far of that bunch who went up to > the wilds of Maine to settle, but many more ended up in the NC area. Have > you looked for your earliest Gardner in New England, specifically Nantucket? > Just wondering... > > These folks were my mother's ancestors...then she married my Dad who was an > Armstrong. > > Marilyn (the one with only one N) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Web Site > > > >> Dear MM, >> >> One of the members on the Drake List is also a Gardner. Rick Gardner. >> But he lives in Michigan, I think and is not likely a NC Gardner. Rick >> is a Drake in my line from about the year 1770 in Virginia. >> >> Tom >> >> Marilynn Masten wrote: >> >>> When you have nothing else to do, take a look at our Gardner/Garner Web >>> Site http://www.usroots.com/~gardners/. We just wanted to prove the >>> point that genealogical research need not be dry. >>> Marilynn >>> IBSSG >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>>

Thanks. There was a time when every kid in Arcadia knew about my brother and his big toe. It was a story about gun safety. Every once in a while when we eat a meal at an Arcadia restaurant, one of the pretty young ladies who is a hostess or waitress will ask me if I taught school and told the story about my brother blowing his foot off with a shotgun. The kids would tell their parents and the parents would ask the principal if he would let me sub when a teacher came down with pregnancy or whatever. I was not strong enough to do long term subbing, though. T Jill Johnston wrote: > Tom, > I LOVE IT! You are just the kind of teacher that age kid needs! Your > stories, no doubt, went straight through their hearts and lodged in their > brains. I think that's often the most effective route for learning! > >

My Grandmother, Ada A*, was a Teacher, her brother was a teacher and then superintendent of schools. My mother, a Wolf, was a teacher, I noticed that teachers tend to live longer than the rest of us by 10 years or so. Wonder if anyone else noticed that. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Linda Hamid Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 3:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONG Digest, Vol 1, Issue 47 Wow, seems like a lot of A's are (or have been) teachers! John, I do like raising chickens, and I also like to drink beer! some people prefer to raise chickens... I prefer to brew beer...!!! Sincerely, John D Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss Linda Hamid Sweetwater Poultry email: [email protected] web: www.sweeth2o.us ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Bob, Glad to hear of your teaching background. I have had other positive experiences with teaching because the students were all about the same age and from the same background. The best was at Michigan State teaching international students who WANTED to learn English and be an American. They hugged me when I left. But I am too old to deal with the other kind of class anymore.. Mary

Same thing- terminology changes so often, but for the moment, English Language Learners (ELL) seems to the the term of favor. Jill in Washington state ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > What is ELL? I know what ESL is, but not ELL. >

Linda, If we lived a little closere, I'd trade you a few bottles of my imitation Belgian Duval for a couple of nice fat fryers.. But the freight would eat up all the fun of that with the time and distance involved now.. So, I'll just continue to go buy a fryer or two from the guy down on Fairview loop who runs a hatchery and fowl farm.. His prices are kinda high, but his product, compared to a store bought fryer is several times better.. There is a kid (young man) down the road, who has some layers.. he is selling "country eggs" and saving what little profits he has for his college fund. I thought it would be neat to help him save for College, but he's got more customers than layers, and has a waiting list to buy his eggs...!!! Most all the eggs in the stores here come out of Washington state.. they aren't too bad.. or maybe we just get used to them, occasional green yolk and all, and don't notice the difference until we go "outside" to see grandkids..! :-) Sincerely, John D a Little SoWest of North Linda Hamid wrote: >Wow, seems like a lot of A's are (or have been) teachers! > >John, I do like raising chickens, and I also like to drink beer! > >some people prefer to raise chickens... I prefer to brew beer...!!! >Sincerely, >John D > >Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter >and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss > >Linda Hamid >Sweetwater Poultry >email: [email protected] >web: www.sweeth2o.us > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Linda, Courtesy of the U.S. Navy, upon graduation from a special communications school at Imperial Beach, Calif., I with 3 classmates (friends) was transferred to the Naval Communications Station at Wahiawa, HI. for Further training and transfer. . Early one day in Jan '58 The Chief told us to pack our bags and standby we were being transferred. 2 went to the beautiful island of Midway, and I and Gary Chyall, went to the beautiful island of Kwajalein.. Pearl of the Pacific... Our duty was with US Nav Com Unit 40. We were not a part of the Naval Station, Kwajalein, but were a tennant activity. Our lord and master resided in Kami Seya, Japan. The island of Ebeye was off limits to all Sailors... as was the commissary and dependent housing area on Kwajalein. The natives were transported to Kwajalein in Mike boats in the mornings and returned to Ebeye in the evenings.. Those that worked on the Naval Station seemed to be clean, well kept and perhaps wealthy by island standards based upon the salaries they were paid at that time. In truth, the Marsallese were not the beautiful south pacific islanders as portrayed in Hollywood flicks. A close friend of mine, who was of the LDS persuasion and had connections with another LDS Elder who happened to be a Pilot. Routinely Commander Brown would fly a little PBY over to Roi Namor to pick up fresh native fruits (small bananas, and some other unidentifiedfruits) for families on Kwajalein. In addition to the regular air-crew, Commander Brown would sign on a couple " extra crew" to do the manual labor loading the plane... I didn't mind the labor, and enjoyed the scenic flight over and back, as well as the opportunity to get "off the rock" if only to go visit another rock... Some short time after I departed the island in April of '59 a Civilian outfit - somehow associated with what was a missle test range, giving the Navy a very short period of time to clean out and clear out. I don't recall any unhappy sailors from that developement. I was on Kwajalein during the atomic testing conducted on the island of Bikini. I never gave it much thought. To date there has been no known after effects caused by radiation. I did get notification from our Gov't that the statute of limitations had run out... Just my luck, tomorrow various body parts will probably start glowing yellow in the dark...!!! Sincerely, John D A little SoWest of North Jill Johnston wrote: > John, > I was on Majuro from Dec.1985 til Feb. 1988. Went to assist the local > Baha'i community and to teach school in a private, non-parochial > cooperative school begun some years earlier by former Peace Corps > people who had married locals and wanted a U.S. grade education for > their kids. > > The Marshallese govt gives funding to ALL schools, public & private, > because it can't afford to provide teachers and school buildings to > house all its kids. There is very little land (Majuro atoll is only > about 30 mi. long and in several places a guy could throw a rock from > oceanside to lagoonside) and very many kids, and that's BEFORE kids > come in from the outer islands. Admittance at the public high school > is through a competitive process due to lack of space, and not all > islands even have a high school. At that time, teachers were poorly > prepared, knew little about classroom management, and had few or no > books. The education system was a mess. > > I lived in a Marshallese neighborhood, in a tin-roofed, plywood shack > that had, unlike the neighbors, electricity, refrigeration, and an > electric cooking stove. We had govt imposed water hours, so when we > heard on the radio when those were, we tried to have someone at home > to fill the 30 gal garbage can we kept for just that purpose. (I got > so good at conserving water that I could shower and wash my hair with > the water in one toy sand bucket!) When it rained, people would stand > under the eaves and shampoo their hair. One year, we didn't have ANY > water hours for 2 wks! Droughts and rising sea levels are devastating > there. High elevation was less than 20 feet, so with such limited > land, any loss is major. > > Our neighbors cooked outside using coconut husk fires; they also > washed & hung their laundry outdoors. The children readily took in our > son Jim, and taught him how to use a soup can lid cutter to make sail > boats from aluminum pop cans. They were very resourceful; most kids, > even as young as three or four, could juggle the coral rocks.They'd > play ball using old pieces of plywood or sticks for bats and coral > rocks or rubber balls to hit. And talk about accuracy-- I swear those > kids could throw a rock and hit anything they targeted! :-) > > I was on Kwaj (paradise of the Pacific) two times, once on my way to > Ebeye, and once returning. I was thoroughly disgusted, and my blood > still boils at the thought of the injustices of that situation. > Because I am white, no one noticed when I wandered away from the > landing area and moseyed into the Kwaj grocery store. I couldn't > believe my eyes: fresh veggies that could've been in any U.S. > supermarket. Everything was spacious, clean, and well-stocked.Even in > the capital city (Majuro) we didn't have access to that quality of > goods. And the physical area was like a well-tended U.S. golf course, > manicure, watered, green LAWN (not just grass), painted and maintained > apartments. > > Meanwhile, just three miles away via a diesel-stinking 'cattle car' of > a shuttle boat, was Ebeye, home of the under-paid Marshallese workers > who did the maintenance and service jobs on Kwaj. Conditions caused > Ebeye to be called the hell-hole of the Pacific. Over-crowded into > rotting plywood and tim-roofed shacks, Marshallese had barely enough > room to pass another person between 'houses.' There were no patches of > grass, only a few isolated strands due to heavy foot traffic, lack of > space and lack of water. There was no source of fresh water except > what the U.S. base on Kwaj brought over in a tanker a couple of times > a week. There may have been a few private wells which tapped into > fresh water lenses (there were on Majuro), but I didn't see any. No > space for gardens. There was one basketball court-- yippee. And in > the grocery store, it was absolutely shameful: the produce shelves > were empty except for a few squishy, brown celery stalks fit only for > pigs. > > I am still aghast at the disparity of conditions and the lack of > conscience shown by the U.S. govt toward the Trust Territory peoples. > And I won't EVEN go into the Bikini bomb test fiasco. It is another > case of misrepresentations, lies, and broken or half-kept promises > just like the American Indian mess. (The Brits did the same to their > Pacific island trustees.) Governments just use and abuse the > powerless. I hadn't really had the opportunity to see that before. > > Before I left, they were constructing a desalination plant on Ebeye so > there would be fresh water available. And, of course, the Trust > Territory is no more, the Marshalls having been 'granted' free > association status. I've never been completely sure of just what that > entails, but I do know that Marshallese citizens can move into the > U.S. freely. > > Living in the Marshalls was, in many ways, like rolling back U.S. time > 30 years and more. For example, few businesses even had phones; bank > casheirs still did math with pencil/paper and the lines were long and > slow-moving. But at the same time, there was inundation by video and > TV, creating awareness of and desire for 'stuff'. And, unfortunately, > it was these media that provided many people with their major source > of English language experience (God forbid!) and with their ideas of > appropriate and 'normal' U.S. lifestyle, behavior, etc. > > Meanwhile, the traditional Marshallese culture has taken huge hits. > People's traditional roles are, for the most part, no longer available > and there was, at least at that time, nothing to replace them, so > break-ins, juvenile drinking, etc. was becoming a problem; > unemployment was high, and wages were pathetic. Since life on the > OUTER islands, such as Mili, was still relatively cashless, families > on Majuro were strained to the max when relatives came in to try to > find work or waiting get to the airport to go to Honolulu for medical > issues. > > All in all, living in the Marshalls was, hands down, the most > stimulating, awareness-raising, and valuable experience I've ever > had!!! It was hugely enriching, and it made me aware of the difference > between being a toursit and living in another culture: it's the > difference between being among, observing and being an active part > of. I find that I am no longer fulfilled by being a tourist. > > John, I'm not going off on you personally. I just have to clear my > pipes on the subject occasionally. :-) No offense intended. I'd be > interested in your experiences there. > > Jill in Washington state > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Armstrong" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] occupations > > > > >> Jill, >> When were you in the Marshall Islands??? >> I lived on Kwajalein from Jan 1958 to April of 1959.. >> >> I retired from farming at the age of 17 >> and chose a 30 yr career in the US Navy.. >> >> Sincerely, >> John D >> A little SoWest of North > > >>> College works, though. Taught an education class in the Marshall >>> Islands (in >>> the central Pacific). What an experience! The government assigned >>> 'teachers' >>> to be sent to the outer islands, but none had any teaching >>> background. In >>> fact some were nurses, etc. So I had to design a course on >>> everything-you-need-to-know-to-manage-students-and-teach. >>> Challenging, but >>> very satisfying! >> >> > > >

Guess Eliza Jane was a popular combination. I've got one also. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Photos to the list/birds > Hey, Linda... > Do you know my grandfather had an older sister named Eliza Jane Armstrong > born in Co. Tyrone? I know it was not an uncommon name so I won't get too > excited about it yet...but it's an odd coincidence, isn't it. Do you know > where your Eliza Jane was born and did she come to the USA? > > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Hamid" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:24 PM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG] Photos to the list/birds > > >> To share pictures with the list you can create a Webshots account (free). >> Then you can store your pictures on their server and anyone can view >> them. >> Here is the link to mine: >> >> http://community.webshots.com/user/lhamid100 >> >> I have a bunch of albums, New Zealand is from my trip in February to >> Auckland where I met my cousin Margaret. Our grandmothers were sisters >> (daughters of Eliza Jane Armstrong from County Tyrone, Ulster). >> >> As I mentioned before chickens aren't that dumb. I had a pair of hens >> that >> were buddies. Ethel was a big bird and Lucy would sleep under her wing at >> night. They roosted outside the coop instead of in with the others. One >> day >> when they were free ranging in the yard a neighbor's dog attacked the >> flock. >> He killed a bunch of birds, including Lucy. For the next week Ethel >> barely >> ate, and continued to sleep outside on the perch she had shared with her >> friend. Finally she started sleeping inside with the other birds. She >> clearly missed Lucy. Studies show that chickens can recognize up to 200 >> other chickens. They really are interesting birds. >> >> Linda Hamid >> Sweetwater Poultry >> email: [email protected] >> web: www.sweeth2o.us >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

When you have nothing else to do, take a look at our Gardner/Garner Web Site http://www.usroots.com/~gardners/. We just wanted to prove the point that genealogical research need not be dry. Marilynn IBSSG

Hey, Linda... Do you know my grandfather had an older sister named Eliza Jane Armstrong born in Co. Tyrone? I know it was not an uncommon name so I won't get too excited about it yet...but it's an odd coincidence, isn't it. Do you know where your Eliza Jane was born and did she come to the USA? Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hamid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:24 PM Subject: [ARMSTRONG] Photos to the list/birds > To share pictures with the list you can create a Webshots account (free). > Then you can store your pictures on their server and anyone can view them. > Here is the link to mine: > > http://community.webshots.com/user/lhamid100 > > I have a bunch of albums, New Zealand is from my trip in February to > Auckland where I met my cousin Margaret. Our grandmothers were sisters > (daughters of Eliza Jane Armstrong from County Tyrone, Ulster). > > As I mentioned before chickens aren't that dumb. I had a pair of hens > that > were buddies. Ethel was a big bird and Lucy would sleep under her wing at > night. They roosted outside the coop instead of in with the others. One > day > when they were free ranging in the yard a neighbor's dog attacked the > flock. > He killed a bunch of birds, including Lucy. For the next week Ethel > barely > ate, and continued to sleep outside on the perch she had shared with her > friend. Finally she started sleeping inside with the other birds. She > clearly missed Lucy. Studies show that chickens can recognize up to 200 > other chickens. They really are interesting birds. > > Linda Hamid > Sweetwater Poultry > email: [email protected] > web: www.sweeth2o.us > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would a full time mom of 5 plus two steps count as an occupation? Then there were the hours of teaching genealogical research, working for Weight Watchers trying to help people refind their stylish figures and 20 years of teaching Suncay School. Oh, and YEARS of teaching dancing including line-dancing which I can't do any more. Always thought I'd die happily on the dance floor at age 94. I'm 84 and had to give it up. And am now Project Manager for the Gardner/Garner DNA project. I do have a big mouth. Would you say that is an Armstrong trait? Marilynn IBSSG

You've got kids like that, too? Out of 4 living, I received a beautiful bouquet of flowers for my birthday and my husband says it took the assistance of one who is not living to get his attention and to prod him to call the others. THEN I got phone calls and "Gee, Mom, I never can remember when it is." Ah, well, the little girl living beyond the veil put things straight. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Seattle > I, too, have a son in Seattle, but he has forgotten our phone number. Tell > him to call home if you see a handsome young man, as yet unmarried...his > mom > misses him. Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

is there anyone doing armstrong reserch in canada>ontario>simcoe co. armstrong and its affiliated familys texas-bone-shaker john alexander armstrong Linda Hamid <[email protected]> wrote: Wow, seems like a lot of A's are (or have been) teachers! John, I do like raising chickens, and I also like to drink beer! some people prefer to raise chickens... I prefer to brew beer...!!! Sincerely, John D Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss Linda Hamid Sweetwater Poultry email: [email protected] web: www.sweeth2o.us ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message porkchop --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Sounds fun! I'm ready to retire, but my bank account says I only THINK I'm ready... :-) I WISH somebody else would have paid for me to go to college!!! What a deal!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hamid" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: [ARMSTRONG] chosen occupations? > I worked for Hewlett-Packard for 24 years. Started as a clerk in the > Corporate mailroom. I later worked as a secretary (called Adminsitrative > Assistant). Then HP paid for me to go to college and after I got my > degree > I worked as internal technical support. HP offered me early retirement > last > October and I took it. (Glad I did, my entire department has since been > laid > off). My husband worked as a tax assessor for Sacramento County > (California) and hated it. He quit and we bought a Take and Bake pizza > store > (no delivery, no cooking, we make pizzas to order and customer cooks it at > home). I cashed out my pension and we are using that $ as down payment on > a > second business, a sandwich shop. So I am not really retired, more like a > career change and I am now my own boss. The chickens are more of a > hobby. > The birds pay for themselves. I make a little money but it mostly goes to > finance my hobby. > > Linda Hamid