Dear Marilyn, It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX Marilyn Otterson wrote: >As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the original >marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire to >join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a couple of >those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it wouldn't >be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody jumps >on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a friend >who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >exclusivity of it. > >Cousin Marilyn > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > >>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, >>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can just >>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is undocumented >>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >>info, >>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >>probably won't be. >>Marilynn >>IBSSG >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> >> >>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel >>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have >>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>> >>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local >>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>few >>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>that >>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>that >>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>often. >>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>published >>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>> >>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>royal >>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. >>>I >>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>just >>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>> >>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly >>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>Tyrone..and >>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>genuine. >>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>matter >>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >>>documents to back it up. >>> >>>IMHO, >>>Cousin Marilyn >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>> >>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>> >>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>> >>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>One >>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>> >>>>Take care, >>>> >>>>Rob. >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." 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We sure agree on that one. I joined and then quit. What I found was wrong was taken from an old book published in the late 1800s and in those day, such things were accepted. Now they would not be but the old stuff is still in their records. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the original > marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) > Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire to > join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a couple > of > those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it > wouldn't > be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the > organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody jumps > on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a friend > who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the > exclusivity of it. > > Cousin Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >> necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, >> tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >> just >> go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >> undocumented >> and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >> info, >> bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >> probably won't be. >> Marilynn >> IBSSG >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >>> One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>> gospel >>> anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>> really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>> have >>> been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >>> U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >>> confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>> >>> When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>> local >>> LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>> few >>> ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>> that >>> person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>> that >>> had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>> often. >>> I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>> information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >>> trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>> published >>> works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >>> wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>> >>> If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>> genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>> royal >>> families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>> records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>> not. >>> I >>> think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>> just >>> dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>> >>> As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>> searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>> fairly >>> recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>> Tyrone..and >>> that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>> genuine. >>> It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>> matter >>> if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >>> documents to back it up. >>> >>> IMHO, >>> Cousin Marilyn >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>>> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>> references an am waiting for an answer." >>>> >>>> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>> >>>> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>> >>>> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>> One >>>> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>>> someone to find out for me! ;D >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> >>>> Rob. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the original marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire to join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a couple of those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it wouldn't be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody jumps on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a friend who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the exclusivity of it. Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't > necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, > tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can just > go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is undocumented > and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the > info, > bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And > probably won't be. > Marilynn > IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel >> anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >> really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have >> been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >> U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >> confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >> >> When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local >> LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >> few >> ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >> that >> person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >> that >> had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >> often. >> I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >> information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >> trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >> published >> works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >> wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >> >> If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >> genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >> royal >> families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >> records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. >> I >> think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >> just >> dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >> >> As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >> searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly >> recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >> Tyrone..and >> that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >> genuine. >> It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >> matter >> if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >> documents to back it up. >> >> IMHO, >> Cousin Marilyn >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >>> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>> references an am waiting for an answer." >>> >>> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>> >>> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>> >>> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>> One >>> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>> someone to find out for me! ;D >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Rob. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOVE 'em and maybe a bit of bacon added sometimes. Now I'm hungry for them and will have to go to the store for a supply enough for 4 people----and only 2 live here so you know how we gobble them down. Marilynn IBSSG

Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can just go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is undocumented and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the info, bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And probably won't be. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel > anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You > really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have > been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the > U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to > confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. > > When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local > LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the few > ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on that > person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info that > had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly > often. > I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of > information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can > trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most > published > works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who > wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. > > If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one > genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through > royal > families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the > records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. > I > think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are > just > dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. > > As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to > searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly > recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. > Tyrone..and > that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are > genuine. > It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no > matter > if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or > documents to back it up. > > IMHO, > Cousin Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >> references an am waiting for an answer." >> >> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >> >> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >> >> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >> One >> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >> someone to find out for me! ;D >> >> Take care, >> >> Rob. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I lived in a Swedish area of Wisconsin. Yes, I can well believe the story. Lutefisk and Lingonberries. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] haggis plus lutefisk? > Jill, that lutefisk is powerful stuff. > > One of my neighbors recently had a problem with raccoons that had taken up > residence under his front porch and would not leave. > > Another neighbor suggested placing lutefisk under the porch until the > raccoons were driven out. > > I asked him a few days later how it was going and he replied: " the > raccoons left within a day but now I can't get rid of the swedes and > norwegans down there." > > Cousin Chuck, (enroute back to AZ for the winter) > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Jill Johnston <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Date: 10/3/2006 6:17:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] haggis plus lutefisk? >> >> I wonder if that reasoning fits Swedish lutefisk, as well... although > there >> are quite a number of Swedes who claim to like the stuff. I've never been >> where it was, so no personal experience, but have heard that it's rather >> gelatinous and very strong smelling. >> >> Jill in Washington state >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:57 AM >> Subject: [ARMSTRONG] haggis >> >> >> I don't think Scots >> > really eat haggis much...I think it's more of a kind of old-fashioned > dish >> > that tourists equate with Scotland, a tradition that probably many >> > Scots >> > don't care for either. Haggis was a nutritious way to use up leftovers >> > after a sheep was slaughtered. Thank goodness folks usually don't have > to >> > depend on it anymore. >> > >> > Cousin Marilyn (with one N) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Gardner-Webb was started by my relatives. I had no idea they taught English, the way they speak around here, but a lot of people go there and seem to love it. And they don't talk funny after they graduate. Did they try to get you to eat Liver Mush? Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Barr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head > Marilynn, > Are you living in Shelby? I finished my college education at > Gardner-Webb College (now University) in 1980 with a degree in English. > Ben Barr from North-central Maine where the leaves have turned. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:43 PM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head > > >>I DID play Right Guard for the Green Bay Packers. You must have missed >>it. >> Could you concoct a recipe for Peacock Haggis? My daughter was once >> married >> to a Scotsman (didn't take. Irish tempers and Scottish tempers are a >> volatile mixture) But he didn't like Haggis either. They have something >> here >> in Shelby, NC, which they think they invented but it is only Philadelphia >> Scrapple made south of Philly. NO, I don't eat that either. And don't >> anybody write and tell me how good it was when mama made it for breakfast >> and served it with maple syrup. I'll take your word for it. >> >> I have a problem about where my loyalties lay. I am a MacAteer, a >> MacIntyre, a Lamont (pronounced Lammit, dammit which became McClymont) an >> O'Cleirigh and a Loftus, plus an Irish Armstrong who probably wandered >> over >> the border. They all want me to wear THEIR pins etc. And who knows what >> Pryors are? Are my Gardners really Gordons? Very confusing. >> Marilynn >> IBSSG >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] chosen occupations? >> >> >>> Dear RR, >>> >>> > >>> In >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

OK, I have been a asked to comment so here goes. Concerning the De Mormaers they were a distinguished family of the time. That's historical fact. As to connections with the Armstrongs, in so far as I can see, it is all on the internet. Without going to the Lord Lyon's Office and spending a great deal of time and money it is going to be very difficult to be certain whether or not there is a connection. The line "De Mormaer Armstronge" in the Sixteenth Century is not one that I have come across before - but that doesn't mean that it is a false one. Nevertheless Robin, you ought to ask for the details from your source. I've often seen references on the internet to the De Mormaers and also to one Marguerite de Dampierre, who is usually given as the daughter of Guy de Dampierre and Isabel de Luxembourg. With these particular Norman families one is talking seriously grand, as they are to be found among the ancestors of half the noble families of Europe. In places such as 'The Big Tree' they are usually down as progenitors of the Armstrongs of Mangerton, from whom I descend. But, you have to ask the questions who put them there and how did they know? Marguerite de Dampierre is often found on the internet as the either Wife or Mother of Alexander of Mangerton, b. 1264 d. 1320. Historically, Alexander was known to be living in 1300 - this being according to the records at the Ulster Herald's Office and that is how we have him in our tree but not his Father (who may also have been an Alexander) or Mother. As I noted above, the internet sources usually have him down as born 1264 and died 1320. Again, where did that information come from? It is very exact yet often one is more likely to see the qualification 'about' when dealing with birth and death dates in those the times. Internet trees are very interesting but people tend to copy what they see elsewhere and then put it down as historical truth - which is what it comes to be regarded as through repetition. It may even be true but the historical references aren't given. And here's the rub, for each time I ask for the historical references I get no answer. After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual references an am waiting for an answer. There weren't many official records then and few of the little that there were have survived. It is only by finding a reference to someone in historical and contemporary works that one can be sure that they existed. In closing, there is something else to note and be wary of. Since there is no recognised Chief there seem to be a lot of self-appointed virtual chiefs, each spending a lot of time on claiming to be the utmost authority on the genealogy of the Armstrongs and disparaging the research and claims of others. I corresponded briefly with one such "gentleman" earlier this year and received some very rude and unpleasant emails for my pains. There are even two clan associations and they are hardly on speakers. Oh yes, one other thing. Armstrong is a clan name. As was the common practise of the time, upon joining a clan one adopted the clan name, Armstrong in our case, so it is a fact that not all Armstrongs are/were related. It doesn't make your claim to be one any less valid though. Sean A And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else.

One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the few ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on that person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info that had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly often. I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most published works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through royal families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. I think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are just dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. Tyrone..and that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are genuine. It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no matter if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or documents to back it up. IMHO, Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer > name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual > references an am waiting for an answer." > > Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D > Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D > > "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." > > Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? One > day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay > someone to find out for me! ;D > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual references an am waiting for an answer." Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? One day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay someone to find out for me! ;D Take care, Rob.

LOL :-D Jill in Washington state ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] haggis plus lutefisk? > Jill, that lutefisk is powerful stuff. > > I asked him a few days later how it was going and he replied: " the > raccoons left within a day but now I can't get rid of the swedes and > norwegans down there." > > Cousin Chuck, (enroute back to AZ for the winter) >

Having tried both of these foods (?) I can say they are both equally bad. I will only qualify that by saying I have not had the opportunity to try them in their native lands but they are both pretty strange. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Johnston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] haggis plus lutefisk? > I wonder if that reasoning fits Swedish lutefisk, as well... although there > are quite a number of Swedes who claim to like the stuff. I've never been > where it was, so no personal experience, but have heard that it's rather > gelatinous and very strong smelling. > > Jill in Washington state > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:57 AM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG] haggis > > > I don't think Scots > > really eat haggis much...I think it's more of a kind of old-fashioned dish > > that tourists equate with Scotland, a tradition that probably many Scots > > don't care for either. Haggis was a nutritious way to use up leftovers > > after a sheep was slaughtered. Thank goodness folks usually don't have to > > depend on it anymore. > > > > Cousin Marilyn (with one N) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/06 > >

I like haggis even after I found out what it was made from. Sue* >From PA where the leaves are just beginning to turn. -----Original Message----- I will have to say that your statement about liking liver and haggis can not be true, at least in my case. As I mentioned, I did like the haggis--but I detest liver! Ben Barr from Maine where leaves have changed.

OK, Ben, I was teasing...if you go to Google and put haggis in the search box you will get a bunch of recipes. Most use sheep's liver and heart and other parts you don't want to know about. That's why I made the comment about ...if you like liver you will like haggis. Maybe it's beef liver you don't like... Anyway, I would have to be mighty hungry! Marilyn (in southern NH where the leaves are just starting to turn) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] haggis > Ben, do you know what haggis is made of? Just wondering. > > Cousin Marilyn (haggis and liver hater) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Barr" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:55 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] haggis > > >>I will have to say that your statement about liking liver and haggis can >>not >> be true, at least in my case. As I mentioned, I did like the haggis--but >> I >> detest liver! >> >> Ben Barr from Maine where leaves have changed. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:57 PM >> Subject: [ARMSTRONG] haggis >> >> >>> If you like liver you will like haggis. Imagine some liver mixed up >>> with >>> oatmeal and then boiled in a more or less inedible bag. I ate some once >>> by >>> accident...it was stuffed into a chicken breast. My husband, who likes >>> liver, ate mine as well as his own but not before I had inadvertently >>> taken >>> a bite, chewed and swallowed some of the nasty stuff. I don't think >>> Scots >>> really eat haggis much...I think it's more of a kind of old-fashioned >>> dish >>> that tourists equate with Scotland, a tradition that probably many Scots >>> don't care for either. Haggis was a nutritious way to use up leftovers >>> after a sheep was slaughtered. Thank goodness folks usually don't have >>> to >>> depend on it anymore. >>> >>> Cousin Marilyn (with one N) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head >>> >>> >>>> Dear MM, >>>> >>>> Somehow, I am not surprised about GB. >>>> >>>> My Pryors are also McLeods and and my mother is a Bruce descendant. >>>> >>>> I was in Edinbugh one night and haggis was served. I did not eat it, >>>> but my wife did and she thought it was good. She is a person born >>>> north >>>> of the Line. Who knows what they eat? >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marilynn Masten wrote: >>>>> I DID play Right Guard for the Green Bay Packers. You must have >>>>> missed >>>>> it. >>>>> Could you concoct a recipe for Peacock Haggis? My daughter was once >>>>> married >>>>> to a Scotsman (didn't take. Irish tempers and Scottish tempers are a >>>>> volatile mixture) But he didn't like Haggis either. They have >>>>> something >>>>> here >>>>> in Shelby, NC, which they think they invented but it is only >>>>> Philadelphia >>>>> Scrapple made south of Philly. NO, I don't eat that either. And >>>>> don't >>>>> anybody write and tell me how good it was when mama made it for >>>>> breakfast >>>>> and served it with maple syrup. I'll take your word for it. >>>>> >>>>> I have a problem about where my loyalties lay. I am a MacAteer, a >>>>> MacIntyre, a Lamont (pronounced Lammit, dammit which became McClymont) >>>>> an >>>>> O'Cleirigh and a Loftus, plus an Irish Armstrong who probably wandered >>>>> over >>>>> the border. They all want me to wear THEIR pins etc. And who knows >>>>> what >>>>> Pryors are? Are my Gardners really Gordons? Very confusing. >>>>> Marilynn >>>>> IBSSG >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:59 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] chosen occupations? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear RR, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ben, do you know what haggis is made of? Just wondering. Cousin Marilyn (haggis and liver hater) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Barr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] haggis >I will have to say that your statement about liking liver and haggis can >not > be true, at least in my case. As I mentioned, I did like the haggis--but > I > detest liver! > > Ben Barr from Maine where leaves have changed. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:57 PM > Subject: [ARMSTRONG] haggis > > >> If you like liver you will like haggis. Imagine some liver mixed up with >> oatmeal and then boiled in a more or less inedible bag. I ate some once >> by >> accident...it was stuffed into a chicken breast. My husband, who likes >> liver, ate mine as well as his own but not before I had inadvertently >> taken >> a bite, chewed and swallowed some of the nasty stuff. I don't think >> Scots >> really eat haggis much...I think it's more of a kind of old-fashioned >> dish >> that tourists equate with Scotland, a tradition that probably many Scots >> don't care for either. Haggis was a nutritious way to use up leftovers >> after a sheep was slaughtered. Thank goodness folks usually don't have >> to >> depend on it anymore. >> >> Cousin Marilyn (with one N) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head >> >> >>> Dear MM, >>> >>> Somehow, I am not surprised about GB. >>> >>> My Pryors are also McLeods and and my mother is a Bruce descendant. >>> >>> I was in Edinbugh one night and haggis was served. I did not eat it, >>> but my wife did and she thought it was good. She is a person born north >>> of the Line. Who knows what they eat? >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Marilynn Masten wrote: >>>> I DID play Right Guard for the Green Bay Packers. You must have missed >>>> it. >>>> Could you concoct a recipe for Peacock Haggis? My daughter was once >>>> married >>>> to a Scotsman (didn't take. Irish tempers and Scottish tempers are a >>>> volatile mixture) But he didn't like Haggis either. They have something >>>> here >>>> in Shelby, NC, which they think they invented but it is only >>>> Philadelphia >>>> Scrapple made south of Philly. NO, I don't eat that either. And don't >>>> anybody write and tell me how good it was when mama made it for >>>> breakfast >>>> and served it with maple syrup. I'll take your word for it. >>>> >>>> I have a problem about where my loyalties lay. I am a MacAteer, a >>>> MacIntyre, a Lamont (pronounced Lammit, dammit which became McClymont) >>>> an >>>> O'Cleirigh and a Loftus, plus an Irish Armstrong who probably wandered >>>> over >>>> the border. They all want me to wear THEIR pins etc. And who knows >>>> what >>>> Pryors are? Are my Gardners really Gordons? Very confusing. >>>> Marilynn >>>> IBSSG >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:59 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] chosen occupations? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear RR, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gee, does it occur to anyone that we've seem to have uncovered more cousins in the last week of casual chat than in the serious work .... or am I just imagining it? Robyn Leeds wrote: > "a Lamont (pronounced Lammit, dammit which became McClymont)" > > WHY have I missed this in the past my friend?!?!?!? I have LAMONT in MY tree too!!!! Maybe we ARE related after all!! :D Oooooh! isn't that a scary thought, being related to ME? Nah, don't answer that! lol > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I will have to say that your statement about liking liver and haggis can not be true, at least in my case. As I mentioned, I did like the haggis--but I detest liver! Ben Barr from Maine where leaves have changed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:57 PM Subject: [ARMSTRONG] haggis > If you like liver you will like haggis. Imagine some liver mixed up with > oatmeal and then boiled in a more or less inedible bag. I ate some once > by > accident...it was stuffed into a chicken breast. My husband, who likes > liver, ate mine as well as his own but not before I had inadvertently > taken > a bite, chewed and swallowed some of the nasty stuff. I don't think Scots > really eat haggis much...I think it's more of a kind of old-fashioned dish > that tourists equate with Scotland, a tradition that probably many Scots > don't care for either. Haggis was a nutritious way to use up leftovers > after a sheep was slaughtered. Thank goodness folks usually don't have to > depend on it anymore. > > Cousin Marilyn (with one N) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head > > >> Dear MM, >> >> Somehow, I am not surprised about GB. >> >> My Pryors are also McLeods and and my mother is a Bruce descendant. >> >> I was in Edinbugh one night and haggis was served. I did not eat it, >> but my wife did and she thought it was good. She is a person born north >> of the Line. Who knows what they eat? >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> Marilynn Masten wrote: >>> I DID play Right Guard for the Green Bay Packers. You must have missed >>> it. >>> Could you concoct a recipe for Peacock Haggis? My daughter was once >>> married >>> to a Scotsman (didn't take. Irish tempers and Scottish tempers are a >>> volatile mixture) But he didn't like Haggis either. They have something >>> here >>> in Shelby, NC, which they think they invented but it is only >>> Philadelphia >>> Scrapple made south of Philly. NO, I don't eat that either. And don't >>> anybody write and tell me how good it was when mama made it for >>> breakfast >>> and served it with maple syrup. I'll take your word for it. >>> >>> I have a problem about where my loyalties lay. I am a MacAteer, a >>> MacIntyre, a Lamont (pronounced Lammit, dammit which became McClymont) >>> an >>> O'Cleirigh and a Loftus, plus an Irish Armstrong who probably wandered >>> over >>> the border. They all want me to wear THEIR pins etc. And who knows >>> what >>> Pryors are? Are my Gardners really Gordons? Very confusing. >>> Marilynn >>> IBSSG >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] chosen occupations? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear RR, >>>> >>>> >>>> In >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Marilynn, Are you living in Shelby? I finished my college education at Gardner-Webb College (now University) in 1980 with a degree in English. Ben Barr from North-central Maine where the leaves have turned. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head >I DID play Right Guard for the Green Bay Packers. You must have missed it. > Could you concoct a recipe for Peacock Haggis? My daughter was once > married > to a Scotsman (didn't take. Irish tempers and Scottish tempers are a > volatile mixture) But he didn't like Haggis either. They have something > here > in Shelby, NC, which they think they invented but it is only Philadelphia > Scrapple made south of Philly. NO, I don't eat that either. And don't > anybody write and tell me how good it was when mama made it for breakfast > and served it with maple syrup. I'll take your word for it. > > I have a problem about where my loyalties lay. I am a MacAteer, a > MacIntyre, a Lamont (pronounced Lammit, dammit which became McClymont) an > O'Cleirigh and a Loftus, plus an Irish Armstrong who probably wandered > over > the border. They all want me to wear THEIR pins etc. And who knows what > Pryors are? Are my Gardners really Gordons? Very confusing. > Marilynn > IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] chosen occupations? > > >> Dear RR, >> >> > >> In > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

"Alexander Armstronge, c.1522, was one of the Mormaers, or Earls, of Scotland. Sean Armstrong, or Joe of Gateshead, can you comment?" So does this mean I'm ROYALTY?!?!? BOY am I going to milk THAT for all it's worth!! lol Thanks Dave! :D I figured there would be something I didn't know about the name, since I'd never seen it before in all my research. Then again, I've never got back further than 17-something on my Armstrong lines, sigh!! I'm off to tell hubby I'm a royal descendant and I can't possibly keep living like this anymore knowing this. No, he'll have to hire some help!! ;D Take care, Rob.

I've never had the pleasure of tasting Haggis.. I'm not really sure if I would enjoy it... I was raised with a cattlemans values, and so anything with sheep would be offensive to me. I have eatn wild Alaskan (Dall) Sheep and liked it though..! Just don't tell the folks back in Nebr..!! but for as long as I can remember... and that goes back to before... Fibber McGee and Molly, on the radio on Sunday eve's.. I have always enjoyed 'fresh Liver and Onions.. In Japan and the Far East, many restaurants and cafe's show their menu with imitation plastic replica's of the foods displayed in the front windows.. .. Once in a little greasy spoon, back up some dark alley in Yokohama, I noticed a replica depicting Liver and Onions in the front window. I went in and had an order of fresh calf liver and onions, while sharing a Liter bottle of my favorite beverage with the Chef.. (the family Grandfather).. There-after, when I entered the establishment, I never had to place my order.. my table was set with an oki (big) bottle of Kirin (beer) and Grandpa (O-gisan) began cooking my Liver and Onions. A grand daughter would serve my dinner, and pour two glasses of Beer, and O-gisan would join us at the table...! Because they assumed I always wanted to eat Liver and Onions I never got to try anything else on their menu, and I never went there if I preferred something else..!!! I enjoyed my time discussing Basu-ballu (baseball) with Ogisan.. Or placing a polite bet on the next round of Sumo wrestling..! It was considered very impolite to tip in Japan, but during the new years holidays if I gave the old man a 10 yen (2.8 cents US) bag of tangarines, you'd have thought I gave the old man a new cadillac..!! Yes, I enjoyed my time in the Far East...! and I like fresh liver and onions...!! mashed spuds and country gravy... and another oki kirin kudasai..!!! Sincerely, John D Marilyn Otterson wrote: >OK, Ben, I was teasing...if you go to Google and put haggis in the search >box you will get a bunch of recipes. Most use sheep's liver and heart and >other parts you don't want to know about. That's why I made the comment >about ...if you like liver you will like haggis. Maybe it's beef liver you >don't like... > >Anyway, I would have to be mighty hungry! > >Marilyn (in southern NH where the leaves are just starting to turn) > > > >