Dear James, My wife and I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library here in Houston. It's actually two buildings, and the main one is a two story monster. There we had access to the entire US Census and many records published by the DAR. Perhaps you can find a Genealogical Library near where you live. I have never tried to ask the DAR if they had local records, so I am a poor one to predict what the DAR allows. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong James D. Allen wrote: >Bob, >Does one have to join the DAR to get access to the documents they have >on file? Can a member do the looking for >a non member? I haven't had the time to research DAR's site but I did >put in a few surnames and got some very interesting leads. > >Now I need to figure out how to get the documents. I apologize in >advance for taking the short cut of just asking vs. researching. > >Thanks. > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bob, Does one have to join the DAR to get access to the documents they have on file? Can a member do the looking for a non member? I haven't had the time to research DAR's site but I did put in a few surnames and got some very interesting leads. Now I need to figure out how to get the documents. I apologize in advance for taking the short cut of just asking vs. researching. Thanks.

Dear MM, My problems were closer. My mother was a Southern Baptist Democrat and my father was an Episcopalian Republican. It wasn't all bad; I learned tolerance at an early age. Tom Marilynn Masten wrote: > I once belonged to Colonial Dames of 17th Century, DAR, Dau. of 1812 and > United Daughters of the Confederacy. Then I was asked to join the Tory > organization. I gave up. I quit them all. I had relatives on the Union > side during the War between the States. I had Patriots in my family and I > had Tories fighting each other during the Rev. War. My DNA says I have both > Jewish and Arab blood. No wonder I have indigestion. > Marilynn > IBSSG > >

Dear Marilyn, Both my wife and I had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution. She is a DAR member and I am an SAR member. But here's another idea for you. My earliest ancestors came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, with the Winthrop Fleet. "They were not Armstrongs." My wife's earliest ancestor came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony on September 19, 1635 aboard the ship True Love. This qualified both of us for membership in the Winthrop Society. Of course maybe this isn't as prestigious as the Mayflower Society, or the DAR, but we get a kick out of knowing when they came to America. Maybe you might like to look up the Winthrop Society. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong Marilyn Otterson wrote: >Sure...no Revolutionary ancestral connection. And I have been thinking...my >mother's old Yankee family would have had plenty of candidates, but my >Armstrong clan didn't get here until the 1860s so of course would not be >eligible for the D.A.R. > >Marilyn > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:51 PM >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > >>Dear Marilyn, >>Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be >>excluded? >>The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new members. >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >> >>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> >> >> >>>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >>>interested >>>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >>>patriotic >>>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to belong; >>>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >>>They >>>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." >>> >>>Marilyn >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dear Marilyn, >>>>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>in Houston, TX >>>> >>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >>>>>original >>>>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire >>>>>to >>>>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >>>>>couple >>>>>of >>>>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>>>wouldn't >>>>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >>>>>jumps >>>>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >>>>>friend >>>>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>>>exclusivity of it. >>>>> >>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >>>>>>mine, >>>>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>>>>just >>>>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>>>undocumented >>>>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >>>>>>info, >>>>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >>>>>>probably won't be. >>>>>>Marilynn >>>>>>IBSSG >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>>>gospel >>>>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>>>>have >>>>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>>>>>religious...to >>>>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>>>local >>>>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>>>>>few >>>>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>>>>>that >>>>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>>>>>that >>>>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>>>>>often. >>>>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>>>>>>can >>>>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>>>published >>>>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>>>>>>who >>>>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>>>>>royal >>>>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>>>>not. >>>>>>>I >>>>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>>>>>just >>>>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>>>genuine. >>>>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>>>>>matter >>>>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >>>>>>>or >>>>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>IMHO, >>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>>>>>One >>>>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>>>>>>>pay >>>>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Take care, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Rob. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>in Houston, TX >>>>picture >>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>>America, author of the veterinary >>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >>picture >>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>America, author of the veterinary >> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jim, Marilyn, et. al. In searching for ancestors who came to the US, please don't over look the Canadian ports.. I spent a looong time looking for my Gr Grandad Anderson's entry into the US... by searching all the records I could find, of all the major Eastern US ports... I finally learned he had entered through Quebec, then traveled across Illinois to North Eastern Nebraska... go to www.rootsweb.com and in the 2nd group down on the left side of the main page is a listing for "SEARCH THINGY".. (yes that's what they call it... go to that web site and search on passenger lists.... you'll get enough things to look at that will keep you busy a couple days... Sincerely, John D A little SoWest of North James D. Allen wrote: >Marilyn and List: > >Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? > >I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship somehow? > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks. > > > > > >Marilyn Otterson wrote: > > >>Hello, Faye, >>You have given very little information to help find more about your William >>Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >> >>You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from >>Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William >>there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? >>Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in >>1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >>know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? >>Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding >>more information about William's family in Ireland. >> >>Sorry not to be of more help. >> >>Marilyn >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Ron, I don't have a William of that date in my tree. Try looking up the Pennsylvania Armstrongs to whom you appear to be related. Their line is well documented. Perhaps you could then get in touch with their modern descendants and share information. Sean A

Here's a (kinda) funny story. True, and only (kinda) funny. Yes, the D.A.R. does sponsor projects. In my senior year of high school,(Early 1980's), I was chosen through the school system, to represent my state with a chorus that was to tour Europe that summer. The expense was more than my family could bear, so I sought donations. All of the "Men's clubs" such as the "Owls", "Moose", "Rod and Gun clubs", along the veterans clubs were contributing and it was greatly appreciated. After giving only a brief speech, many generosely gave me anywhere from $25.-$400. One organization I contacted was the local D.A.R. and was told they would consider sponsoring me, but I must come to their meeting. I do not come from a wealthy family. After taking my last bit of money and putting it in my gas tank, I began the journey, instructions in hand, on how to get to the D.A.R meeting I was supposed to attend in order to see if would be sponsored. It was the furtherest, by far that I'd gone for a donation. I'd say it was at least 20-30 miles of long, winding back roads, a nearly empty gas tank by then, and finally I was there. I entered a room with approx. 15-20 ladies, and gave my speech that I had given to all the other organizations. No other group had asked me to sing for them. The ladies were kind and welcoming, and asked me if I would please sing a song for them (accapella and unrehearsed), and of course, I obliged. They applauded and asked me to sing yet another one, which I did. After my performance, I was told that they would sponsor my trip. They handed me a pre-sealed envelope and wished me luck on my tour of Europe. I was happy that I was able to get more financial help, even if it had used up gas money I didn't have to get there, and even though the place had been so hard to find. By now, it was getting dark, yet I was smiling all the way to my car and as started my car up in the cold winter air to warm it, I opened the envelope. I couldn't believe what I saw.... Enclosed was a check for $5.00 ! It had cost me at least that much in gas to get there! So, yes, TECHNICALLY, they will sponsor a good cause. >From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:57:14 -0400 > >What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >interested >woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >patriotic >projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to belong; >however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >They >are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." > >Marilyn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > Dear Marilyn, > > It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. > > Sincerely, > > Bob Armstrong > > in Houston, TX > > > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: > > > >>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >original > >>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) > >>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire >to > >>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >couple > >>of > >>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it > >>wouldn't > >>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the > >>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >jumps > >>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >friend > >>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the > >>exclusivity of it. > >> > >>Cousin Marilyn > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM > >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't > >>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >mine, > >>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can > >>>just > >>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is > >>>undocumented > >>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the > >>>info, > >>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And > >>>probably won't be. > >>>Marilynn > >>>IBSSG > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > >>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as > >>>>gospel > >>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You > >>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you > >>>>have > >>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >the > >>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >religious...to > >>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. > >>>> > >>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the > >>>>local > >>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the > >>>>few > >>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on > >>>>that > >>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info > >>>>that > >>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly > >>>>often. > >>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of > >>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >can > >>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most > >>>>published > >>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >who > >>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. > >>>> > >>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one > >>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through > >>>>royal > >>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the > >>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe > >>>>not. > >>>>I > >>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are > >>>>just > >>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. > >>>> > >>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to > >>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only > >>>>fairly > >>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. > >>>>Tyrone..and > >>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are > >>>>genuine. > >>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no > >>>>matter > >>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >or > >>>>documents to back it up. > >>>> > >>>>IMHO, > >>>>Cousin Marilyn > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> > >>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM > >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer > >>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual > >>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D > >>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D > >>>>> > >>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." > >>>>> > >>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? > >>>>>One > >>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >pay > >>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D > >>>>> > >>>>>Take care, > >>>>> > >>>>>Rob. > >>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the > >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Bob Armstrong > > in Houston, TX > > picture > > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > > America, author of the veterinary > > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & >Noble > > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for sharing your story! Yes, that's the kind of thing that you remember and repeat to your grandkids someday. Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Hobbs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: [ARMSTRONG] D.A.R. > Here's a (kinda) funny story. True, and only (kinda) funny. > > Yes, the D.A.R. does sponsor projects. In my senior year of high > school,(Early 1980's), I was chosen through the school system, to > represent > my state with a chorus that was to tour Europe that summer. The expense > was > more than my family could bear, so I sought donations. All of the "Men's > clubs" such as the "Owls", "Moose", "Rod and Gun clubs", along the > veterans > clubs were contributing and it was greatly appreciated. After giving only > a > brief speech, many generosely gave me anywhere from $25.-$400. One > organization I contacted was the local D.A.R. and was told they would > consider sponsoring me, but I must come to their meeting. > > I do not come from a wealthy family. After taking my last bit of money and > putting it in my gas tank, I began the journey, instructions in hand, on > how > to get to the D.A.R meeting I was supposed to attend in order to see if > would be sponsored. It was the furtherest, by far that I'd gone for a > donation. I'd say it was at least 20-30 miles of long, winding back roads, > a > nearly empty gas tank by then, and finally I was there. > > I entered a room with approx. 15-20 ladies, and gave my speech that I had > given to all the other organizations. No other group had asked me to sing > for them. The ladies were kind and welcoming, and asked me if I would > please > sing a song for them (accapella and unrehearsed), and of course, I > obliged. > They applauded and asked me to sing yet another one, which I did. > > After my performance, I was told that they would sponsor my trip. They > handed me a pre-sealed envelope and wished me luck on my tour of Europe. > I > was happy that I was able to get more financial help, even if it had used > up > gas money I didn't have to get there, and even though the place had been > so > hard to find. By now, it was getting dark, yet I was smiling all the way > to > my car and as started my car up in the cold winter air to warm it, I > opened > the envelope. I couldn't believe what I saw.... > > Enclosed was a check for $5.00 ! It had cost me at least that much in gas > to get there! > > So, yes, TECHNICALLY, they will sponsor a good cause. > > >>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:57:14 -0400 >> >>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >>interested >>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >>patriotic >>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to belong; >>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >>They >>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." >> >>Marilyn >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> > Dear Marilyn, >> > It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >> > Sincerely, >> > Bob Armstrong >> > in Houston, TX >> > >> > Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> > >> >>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >>original >> >>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >> >>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire >>to >> >>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >>couple >> >>of >> >>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >> >>wouldn't >> >>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >> >>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >>jumps >> >>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >>friend >> >>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >> >>exclusivity of it. >> >> >> >>Cousin Marilyn >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >> >>To: <[email protected]> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >> >>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >>mine, >> >>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >> >>>just >> >>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >> >>>undocumented >> >>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >> >>>info, >> >>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. >> >>>And >> >>>probably won't be. >> >>>Marilynn >> >>>IBSSG >> >>> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >> >>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> >>>To: <[email protected]> >> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >> >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >> >>>>gospel >> >>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. >> >>>>You >> >>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >> >>>>have >> >>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>the >> >>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>religious...to >> >>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >> >>>> >> >>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >> >>>>local >> >>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of >> >>>>the >> >>>>few >> >>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >> >>>>that >> >>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >> >>>>that >> >>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >> >>>>often. >> >>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza >> >>>>of >> >>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>can >> >>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >> >>>>published >> >>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>who >> >>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >> >>>> >> >>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have >> >>>>one >> >>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >> >>>>royal >> >>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >> >>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >> >>>>not. >> >>>>I >> >>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we >> >>>>are >> >>>>just >> >>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >> >>>> >> >>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >> >>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >> >>>>fairly >> >>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >> >>>>Tyrone..and >> >>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >> >>>>genuine. >> >>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >> >>>>matter >> >>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >>or >> >>>>documents to back it up. >> >>>> >> >>>>IMHO, >> >>>>Cousin Marilyn >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >> >>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >> >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >> >>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >> >>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! >> >>>>>:D >> >>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >> >>>>> >> >>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY >> >>>>>details? >> >>>>>One >> >>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>pay >> >>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Take care, >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Rob. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>------------------------------- >> >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the >> >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>------------------------------- >> >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>>>the >> >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>>------------------------------- >> >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Sincerely, >> > Bob Armstrong >> > in Houston, TX >> > picture >> > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and >> > without >> > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >> > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >> > America, author of the veterinary >> > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >> > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & >>Noble >> > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >> > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Faye, You have given very little information to help find more about your William Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding more information about William's family in Ireland. Sorry not to be of more help. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Chapman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Hi saw you were researching thewrong Armstrongs for ages. > > I am descended from William Armstrong (he is my g g grandfather) who came > from Ireland in the 1820's to beautiful Australia. He left behind 3 > children. Do you have any info on this line of Armstrongs. If you need > more > info let me know. > > Kind regards > > Faye Chapman (nee Armstrong) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson > Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel > anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You > really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have > been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the > U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to > confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. > > When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local > LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the few > ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on that > person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info that > had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly > often. > I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of > information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can > trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most > published > works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who > wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. > > If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one > genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through > royal > families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the > records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. > I > think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are > just > dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. > > As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to > searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly > recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. > Tyrone..and > that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are > genuine. > It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no > matter > if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or > documents to back it up. > > IMHO, > Cousin Marilyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >> name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >> references an am waiting for an answer." >> >> Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >> Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >> >> "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >> >> Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >> One >> day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >> someone to find out for me! ;D >> >> Take care, >> >> Rob. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: 4/10/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOL -----Original Message----- Having tried both of these foods (?) I can say they are both equally bad. I will only qualify that by saying I have not had the opportunity to try them in their native lands but they are both pretty strange. Patti

This is so cool! > >> >> >> >> GOD LIVES UNDER THE BED >> >> Don't start reading this one until you've got more than 3 or 4 minutes to >> just "scan" over it. It deserves some time for reflection. >> >> >> I envy Kevin. My brother Kevin thinks God lives under his bed. At least >> that's what I heard him say one night. >> >> >> He was praying out loud in his dark bedroom, and I stopped to listen, "Are >> you there, God?" he said. "Where are you? Oh, I see. Under the bed..." >> >> >> I giggled softly and tiptoed off to my own room. Kevin's unique >> perspectives are often a source of amusement. But that night something else lingered >> long after the humor. I realized for the first time the very different world >> Kevin lives in. >> >> >> He was born 30 years ago, mentally disabled as a result of difficulties >> during labor. Apart from his size (he's 6-foot-2), there are few ways in which >> he is an adult. >> >> >> He reasons and communicates with the capabilities of a 7-year-old, and he >> always will. He will probably always believe that God lives under his bed, >> that Santa Claus is the one who fills the space under our tree every Christmas >> and that airplanes stay up in the sky because angels carry them. >> >> >> I remember wondering if Kevin realizes he is different. >> >> >> Is he ever dissatisfied with his monotonous life? >> >> >> Up before dawn each day, off to work at a workshop for the disabled, home >> to walk our cocker spaniel, return to eat his favorite macaroni-and-cheese >> for dinner, and later to bed. >> >> >> The only variation in the entire scheme is laundry, when he hovers >> excitedly over the washing machine like a mother with her newborn child. >> >> >> He does not seem dissatisfied. >> >> >> He lopes out to the bus every morning at 7:05, eager for a day of simple >> work. >> >> >> He wrings his hands excitedly while the water boils on the stove before >> dinner, and he stays up late twice a week to gather our dirty laundry for his >> next day's laundry chores. >> >> >> And Saturdays-oh, the bliss of Saturdays! That's the day my Dad takes Kevin >> to the airport to have a soft drink, watch the planes land, and speculate >> loudly on the destination of each passenger inside. >> >> >> "That one's goin' to Chi-car-go!" Kevin shouts as he claps his hands. >> >> >> His anticipation is so great he can hardly sleep on Friday nights. >> >> >> And so goes his world of daily rituals and weekend field trips. >> >> >> He doesn't know what it means to be discontent. >> >> >> His life is simple. >> >> >> He will never know the entanglements of wealth of power, and he does not >> care what brand of clothing he wears or what kind of food he eats. His needs >> have always been met, and he never worries that one day they may not be. >> >> >> His hands are diligent. Kevin is never so happy as when he is working. When >> he unloads the dishwasher or vacuums the carpet, his heart is completely in >> it. >> >> >> He does not shrink from a job when it is begun, and he does not leave a job >> until it is finished. But when his tasks are done, Kevin knows how to >> relax. >> >> >> He is not obsessed with his work or the work of others. His heart is pure. >> >> >> He still believes everyone tells the truth, promises must be kept, and when >> you are wrong, you apologize instead of argue. >> >> >> Free from pride and unconcerned with appearances, Kevin is not afraid to >> cry when he is hurt, angry or sorry. He is always transparent, always sincere. >> And he trusts God. >> >> >> Not confined by intellectual reasoning, when he comes to Christ, he comes >> as a child. Kevin seems to know God - to really be friends with Him in a way >> that is difficult for an "educated" person to grasp. God seems like his >> closest companion. >> >> >> In my moments of doubt and frustrations with my Christianity I envy the >> security Kevin has in his simple faith. >> It is then that I am most willing to admit that he has some divine >> knowledge that rises above my mortal questions. >> >> >> It is then I realize that perhaps he is not the one with the handicap . .. >> I am. My obligations, my fear, my pride, my circumstances - they all become >> disabilities when I do not trust them to God's care. >> >> >> Who knows if Kevin comprehends things I can never learn? After all, he has >> spent his whole life in that kind of innocence, praying after dark and >> soaking up the goodness and love of God. >> >> >> And one day, when the mysteries of heaven are opened, and we are all amazed >> at how close God really is to our hearts, I'll realize that God heard the >> simple prayers of a boy who believed that God lived under his bed. >> >> >> Kevin won't be surprised at all! >> >> >> When you receive this, say a prayer. That's all you have to do. There is >> nothing attached. This is powerful. >> >> >> Just send this to four people and do not break this, please. Prayer is one >> of the best free gifts we receive. There is no cost, but a lot of rewards. >> >> >> >>

You betcha...and from all over the map, too! Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Johnston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Marilyn, > That must be one LONG list of begats! ;-) > > Jill in Washington state > > > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:55 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > I have one >> genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sure...no Revolutionary ancestral connection. And I have been thinking...my mother's old Yankee family would have had plenty of candidates, but my Armstrong clan didn't get here until the 1860s so of course would not be eligible for the D.A.R. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear Marilyn, > Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be > excluded? > The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new members. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >>interested >>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >>patriotic >>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to belong; >>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >>They >>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." >> >>Marilyn >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> >> >>>Dear Marilyn, >>>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>>Sincerely, >>>Bob Armstrong >>>in Houston, TX >>> >>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >>>>original >>>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire >>>>to >>>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >>>>couple >>>>of >>>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>>wouldn't >>>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >>>>jumps >>>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >>>>friend >>>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>>exclusivity of it. >>>> >>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >>>>>mine, >>>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>>>just >>>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>>undocumented >>>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >>>>>info, >>>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >>>>>probably won't be. >>>>>Marilynn >>>>>IBSSG >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>>gospel >>>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>>>have >>>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>>>>>the >>>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>>>>religious...to >>>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>>> >>>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>>local >>>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>>>>few >>>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>>>>that >>>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>>>>that >>>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>>>>often. >>>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>>>>>can >>>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>>published >>>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>>>>>who >>>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>>> >>>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>>>>royal >>>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>>>not. >>>>>>I >>>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>>>>just >>>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>>> >>>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>>fairly >>>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>>genuine. >>>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>>>>matter >>>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >>>>>>or >>>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>>> >>>>>>IMHO, >>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>>>>One >>>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>>>>>>pay >>>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Take care, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Rob. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Sincerely, >>>Bob Armstrong >>>in Houston, TX >>>picture >>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>America, author of the veterinary >>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > picture > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > America, author of the veterinary > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Armstrong, Cummings Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/kQB.2ACIB/3481 Message Board Post: Searching for more information on George Armstrong, b. ca 1829 in IL, marr. Rebecca Ellen Cummings in 1850 in Stephenson County IL. They moved to Iowa with her family where she died in 1853 leaving a baby girl to be raised by her parents. George moved on and was not heard from again by the Cummings family. I'm sure he must have remarried and had another family. Any help appreciated. Teresa [email protected]

Of course, why not? I did all the research. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong Marilynn Masten wrote: >Robert, She still speaking to you? >Marilynn >IBSSG > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > >>Dear Marilyn, >>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >> >>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> >> >> >>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the original >>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire to >>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a couple >>>of >>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>wouldn't >>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody jumps >>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a friend >>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>exclusivity of it. >>> >>>Cousin Marilyn >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, >>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>>just >>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>undocumented >>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >>>>info, >>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >>>>probably won't be. >>>>Marilynn >>>>IBSSG >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>gospel >>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>>have >>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>> >>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>local >>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>>>few >>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>>>that >>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>>>that >>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>>>often. >>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>published >>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>> >>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>>>royal >>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>>not. >>>>>I >>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>>>just >>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>> >>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>fairly >>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>genuine. >>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>>>matter >>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>> >>>>>IMHO, >>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>> >>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>> >>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>>>One >>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>> >>>>>>Take care, >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob. >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >>picture >>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>America, author of the veterinary >> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Marilyn, That must be one LONG list of begats! ;-) Jill in Washington state From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre I have one > genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically

Dear Marilyn, Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be excluded? The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new members. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX Marilyn Otterson wrote: >What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every interested >woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and patriotic >projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to belong; >however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. They >are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." > >Marilyn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > >>Dear Marilyn, >>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >> >>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> >> >> >>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the original >>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire to >>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a couple >>>of >>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>wouldn't >>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody jumps >>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a friend >>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>exclusivity of it. >>> >>>Cousin Marilyn >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, >>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>>just >>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>undocumented >>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >>>>info, >>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >>>>probably won't be. >>>>Marilynn >>>>IBSSG >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>gospel >>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>>have >>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>> >>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>local >>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>>>few >>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>>>that >>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>>>that >>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>>>often. >>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>published >>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>> >>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>>>royal >>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>>not. >>>>>I >>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>>>just >>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>> >>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>fairly >>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>genuine. >>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>>>matter >>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>> >>>>>IMHO, >>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>> >>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>> >>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>>>One >>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>> >>>>>>Take care, >>>>>> >>>>>>Rob. >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >>picture >>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>America, author of the veterinary >> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every interested woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and patriotic projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to belong; however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. They are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear Marilyn, > It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the original >>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire to >>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a couple >>of >>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>wouldn't >>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody jumps >>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a friend >>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>exclusivity of it. >> >>Cousin Marilyn >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> >> >>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, >>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>just >>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>undocumented >>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >>>info, >>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >>>probably won't be. >>>Marilynn >>>IBSSG >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>gospel >>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>have >>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>> >>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>local >>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>>few >>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>>that >>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>>that >>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>>often. >>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>published >>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>> >>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>>royal >>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>not. >>>>I >>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>>just >>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>> >>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>fairly >>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>Tyrone..and >>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>genuine. >>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>>matter >>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >>>>documents to back it up. >>>> >>>>IMHO, >>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>> >>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>> >>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>> >>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>>One >>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>> >>>>>Take care, >>>>> >>>>>Rob. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > picture > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > America, author of the veterinary > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sean, My line also presumably goes back to the Armstrongs of Mangerton. The key link, however, comes from secondary sources that I have been unable to verify. If you or anyone else has any information on the correctness (or lack of) of the chart below, I would be very interested in any information. I am retired on very limited income, so it is difficult for me to do much in the way of verification. I have fairly good information on James Armstrong, my oldest proven Armstrong Ancestor, except for some uncertainty on his wife's maiden name. Thanks to you or anyone else for help on this. Ron Barnett 1 William Armstrong b: 1565 in Gilnockie, Dumfrieshire, Scotland d: 1642 in Brookboro, Fermanagh Co., Ulster, Ireland .. +Margaret Ellicot b: 1583 in Gilnockie, Dumfrieshire, Scotland ... 2 Thomas (Sir) Armstrong b: 1603 in Gilnockie, Scotland d: 1693 in Londonderry, Ireland ........ 3 Thomas Armstrong b: 1649 in Nimeguen, The Netherlands ............ +Catherine Pollexfeu b: 1658 in England ............. 4 Thomas Armstrong b: 1673 in Enniskillen, Ireland ................. +Elizabeth b: Abt. 1690 .................. 5 James Armstrong b: 1707 in Lancaster Country Pennsylvania d: 11 May 1760 in Anson County North Carolina ...................... +Jean O'Conner b: Abt. 1711 in Lancaster Country Pennsylvania d: 1760 in Anson County North Carolina ... 2 Edward Armstrong b: 1604 in Scotland ... 2 William Armstrong b: 1600 ... 2 Alexander Armstrong b: 1606 ... 2 Simon Armstrong b: 1608 ... 2 Robert Armstrong b: 1610 ... 2 John Armstrong b: 1612 ... 2 David Armstrong b: 1614 ... 2 Christopher Armstrong b: 1616 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sean Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 5:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre OK, I have been a asked to comment so here goes. Concerning the De Mormaers they were a distinguished family of the time. That's historical fact. As to connections with the Armstrongs, in so far as I can see, it is all on the internet. Without going to the Lord Lyon's Office and spending a great deal of time and money it is going to be very difficult to be certain whether or not there is a connection. The line "De Mormaer Armstronge" in the Sixteenth Century is not one that I have come across before - but that doesn't mean that it is a false one. Nevertheless Robin, you ought to ask for the details from your source. I've often seen references on the internet to the De Mormaers and also to one Marguerite de Dampierre, who is usually given as the daughter of Guy de Dampierre and Isabel de Luxembourg. With these particular Norman families one is talking seriously grand, as they are to be found among the ancestors of half the noble families of Europe. In places such as 'The Big Tree' they are usually down as progenitors of the Armstrongs of Mangerton, from whom I descend. But, you have to ask the questions who put them there and how did they know? Marguerite de Dampierre is often found on the internet as the either Wife or Mother of Alexander of Mangerton, b. 1264 d. 1320. Historically, Alexander was known to be living in 1300 - this being according to the records at the Ulster Herald's Office and that is how we have him in our tree but not his Father (who may also have been an Alexander) or Mother. As I noted above, the internet sources usually have him down as born 1264 and died 1320. Again, where did that information come from? It is very exact yet often one is more likely to see the qualification 'about' when dealing with birth and death dates in those the times. Internet trees are very interesting but people tend to copy what they see elsewhere and then put it down as historical truth - which is what it comes to be regarded as through repetition. It may even be true but the historical references aren't given. And here's the rub, for each time I ask for the historical references I get no answer. After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual references an am waiting for an answer. There weren't many official records then and few of the little that there were have survived. It is only by finding a reference to someone in historical and contemporary works that one can be sure that they existed. In closing, there is something else to note and be wary of. Since there is no recognised Chief there seem to be a lot of self-appointed virtual chiefs, each spending a lot of time on claiming to be the utmost authority on the genealogy of the Armstrongs and disparaging the research and claims of others. I corresponded briefly with one such "gentleman" earlier this year and received some very rude and unpleasant emails for my pains. There are even two clan associations and they are hardly on speakers. Oh yes, one other thing. Armstrong is a clan name. As was the common practise of the time, upon joining a clan one adopted the clan name, Armstrong in our case, so it is a fact that not all Armstrongs are/were related. It doesn't make your claim to be one any less valid though. Sean A And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, She still speaking to you? Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear Marilyn, > It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the original >>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any desire to >>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a couple >>of >>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>wouldn't >>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody jumps >>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a friend >>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>exclusivity of it. >> >>Cousin Marilyn >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> >> >>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in mine, >>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>just >>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>undocumented >>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all the >>>info, >>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. And >>>probably won't be. >>>Marilynn >>>IBSSG >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>gospel >>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You >>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>have >>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the >>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to >>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>> >>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>local >>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the >>>>few >>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on >>>>that >>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info >>>>that >>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly >>>>often. >>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of >>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can >>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>published >>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who >>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>> >>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one >>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through >>>>royal >>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>not. >>>>I >>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are >>>>just >>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>> >>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>fairly >>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>Tyrone..and >>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>genuine. >>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no >>>>matter >>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or >>>>documents to back it up. >>>> >>>>IMHO, >>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>> >>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D >>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>> >>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>> >>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? >>>>>One >>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay >>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>> >>>>>Take care, >>>>> >>>>>Rob. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > picture > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > America, author of the veterinary > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >