Thanks Marilyn For my inquiry: what a generous offer. Let's hold, however, because if I keep letting myself get side tracked, I won't finish the Armstrong / Allen work. Hate to admit it but it's been more fun talking about Peacocks than beating my head against these brick walls of late. In fact have a tee-shirt drawing I want printed that has a person hitting their head against a high brick wall and saying: "Just one more"!l, but the perspective of the drawing is from high over head and the reader can see a pedigree of brick walls in pairs spanning out into the vanishing point, thousands of them. Ooops, no... that's the nightmare after eating Haggis. I'm so confused. ;>) My wife wants me to get a tee-shirt that we saw on the web that says: "Genealogist: Disturbing the Dead and Annoying the Living." Cheers, > HI...am I wrong or didn't the William and Mary make more than one trip with > more than one bunch of passengers to the new world? I am pretty sure it > did. I am quite sure (although I 'll have to look them up now) that my > ancestors were English when they came here. There were several and I'd have > to go back through some genealogies to find them but I will try if you need > me to do that. > > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > >> Dear James, >> There were only 208 passengers aboard the William and Mary. Most were >> Irish, and the second largest contingent were Dutch. There was two small >> families of English passengers, my grandmother's family was from >> Scotland, and there was one additional Scottish male, Mr. Miller from >> Edinburgh. There was one Frenchman aboard. The two English were named >> Mr. Luke Stewart with a wife and two daughters, and Mr. Joseph Brooke >> and his wife. >> All the Dutch passengers have names difficult for me to spell. >> Sincerely, >> Bob Armstrong >> >> >> James D. Allen wrote: >> >> >>> Here's a good example of unintentional consequences. >>> I have a relative that came in to New Orleans as an orphan about 1853. >>> We couldn't figure out why he CAME as an orphan but this would be an >>> interesting angle to check out. >>> One of those "duh" revelations. >>> >>> THANKS! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert E. Armstrong wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Dear James, >>>> For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of >>>> the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary >>>> disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton >>>> Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's >>>> family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly >>>> legible. >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Bob Armstrong >>>> >>>> >>>> James D. Allen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Marilyn and List: >>>>> >>>>> Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >>>>> the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >>>>> 1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? >>>>> >>>>> I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >>>>> passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >>>>> resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >>>>> I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >>>>> records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship >>>>> somehow? >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, Faye, >>>>>> You have given very little information to help find more about your >>>>>> William >>>>>> Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>>>>> >>>>>> You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia >>>>>> from >>>>>> Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your >>>>>> William >>>>>> there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>>>>> mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the >>>>>> kids? >>>>>> Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>>>>> those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>>>>> instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland >>>>>> in >>>>>> 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do >>>>>> you >>>>>> know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in >>>>>> Australia? >>>>>> Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time >>>>>> finding >>>>>> more information about William's family in Ireland. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry not to be of more help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marilyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Bob Armstrong >> in Houston, TX >> picture >> "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >> regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >> America, author of the veterinary >> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >> ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow...good news for all of us. Thanks very much! Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > DAR has an online library that anybody can search. Copies of membership > applications can be ordered for $10 and DAR search services cost $40 per > hour for non members. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James D. Allen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> Bob, >> Does one have to join the DAR to get access to the documents they have >> on file? Can a member do the looking for >> a non member? I haven't had the time to research DAR's site but I did >> put in a few surnames and got some very interesting leads. >> >> Now I need to figure out how to get the documents. I apologize in >> advance for taking the short cut of just asking vs. researching. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No wonder you are funny. Cousin Marilyn (with one n), grinning ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >I once belonged to Colonial Dames of 17th Century, DAR, Dau. of 1812 and > United Daughters of the Confederacy. Then I was asked to join the Tory > organization. I gave up. I quit them all. I had relatives on the Union > side during the War between the States. I had Patriots in my family and I > had Tories fighting each other during the Rev. War. My DNA says I have > both > Jewish and Arab blood. No wonder I have indigestion. > Marilynn > IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > >> Dear Marilyn, >> Both my wife and I had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution. >> She is a DAR member and I am an SAR member. But here's another idea for >> you. >> My earliest ancestors came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, with >> the Winthrop Fleet. "They were not Armstrongs." My wife's earliest >> ancestor came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony on September 19, 1635 >> aboard the ship True Love. This qualified both of us for membership in >> the Winthrop Society. >> Of course maybe this isn't as prestigious as the Mayflower Society, or >> the DAR, but we get a kick out of knowing when they came to America. >> Maybe you might like to look up the Winthrop Society. >> Sincerely, >> Bob Armstrong >> >> Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> >>>Sure...no Revolutionary ancestral connection. And I have been >>>thinking...my >>>mother's old Yankee family would have had plenty of candidates, but my >>>Armstrong clan didn't get here until the 1860s so of course would not be >>>eligible for the D.A.R. >>> >>>Marilyn >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:51 PM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dear Marilyn, >>>>Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be >>>>excluded? >>>>The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new >>>>members. >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>in Houston, TX >>>> >>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >>>>>interested >>>>>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >>>>>patriotic >>>>>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to >>>>>belong; >>>>>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >>>>>They >>>>>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." >>>>> >>>>>Marilyn >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Dear Marilyn, >>>>>>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>>> >>>>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >>>>>>>original >>>>>>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>>>>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any >>>>>>>desire >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >>>>>>>couple >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>>>>>wouldn't >>>>>>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>>>>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >>>>>>>jumps >>>>>>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >>>>>>>friend >>>>>>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>>>>>exclusivity of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>>>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >>>>>>>>mine, >>>>>>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line >>>>>>>>can >>>>>>>>just >>>>>>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>>>>>undocumented >>>>>>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>info, >>>>>>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. >>>>>>>>And >>>>>>>>probably won't be. >>>>>>>>Marilynn >>>>>>>>IBSSG >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>>>>>gospel >>>>>>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. >>>>>>>>>You >>>>>>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what >>>>>>>>>you >>>>>>>>>have >>>>>>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>>>>>>>religious...to >>>>>>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>>>>>local >>>>>>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>few >>>>>>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available >>>>>>>>>on >>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the >>>>>>>>>info >>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen >>>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>>often. >>>>>>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza >>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>>>>>>>>can >>>>>>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>>>>>published >>>>>>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where >>>>>>>>>those >>>>>>>>>who >>>>>>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have >>>>>>>>>one >>>>>>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, >>>>>>>>>through >>>>>>>>>royal >>>>>>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they >>>>>>>>>are...maybe >>>>>>>>>not. >>>>>>>>>I >>>>>>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we >>>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>>just >>>>>>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>>>>>genuine. >>>>>>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, >>>>>>>>>no >>>>>>>>>matter >>>>>>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are >>>>>>>>>records >>>>>>>>>or >>>>>>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>IMHO, >>>>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for >>>>>>>>>>factual >>>>>>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! >>>>>>>>>>:D >>>>>>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY >>>>>>>>>>details? >>>>>>>>>>One >>>>>>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able >>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>pay >>>>>>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Take care, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Rob. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>>>picture >>>>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and >>>>>>without >>>>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>>>>America, author of the veterinary >>>>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>>>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & >>>>>> Noble >>>>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>in Houston, TX >>>>picture >>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>>America, author of the veterinary >>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & >>>> Noble >>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Bob Armstrong >> in Houston, TX >> picture >> "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >> regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >> America, author of the veterinary >> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >> ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi saw you were researching thewrong Armstrongs for ages. I am descended from William Armstrong (he is my g g grandfather) who came from Ireland in the 1820's to beautiful Australia. He left behind 3 children. Do you have any info on this line of Armstrongs. If you need more info let me know. Kind regards Faye Chapman (nee Armstrong) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as gospel anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. You really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you have been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to the U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or religious...to confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the local LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of the few ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available on that person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the info that had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen fairly often. I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza of information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I can trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most published works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those who wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have one genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, through royal families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe not. I think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we are just dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only fairly recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. Tyrone..and that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are genuine. It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, no matter if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records or documents to back it up. IMHO, Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > "After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer > name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual > references an am waiting for an answer." > > Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! :D > Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D > > "And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." > > Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY details? One > day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to pay > someone to find out for me! ;D > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/462 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: 4/10/2006

HI...am I wrong or didn't the William and Mary make more than one trip with more than one bunch of passengers to the new world? I am pretty sure it did. I am quite sure (although I 'll have to look them up now) that my ancestors were English when they came here. There were several and I'd have to go back through some genealogies to find them but I will try if you need me to do that. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear James, > There were only 208 passengers aboard the William and Mary. Most were > Irish, and the second largest contingent were Dutch. There was two small > families of English passengers, my grandmother's family was from > Scotland, and there was one additional Scottish male, Mr. Miller from > Edinburgh. There was one Frenchman aboard. The two English were named > Mr. Luke Stewart with a wife and two daughters, and Mr. Joseph Brooke > and his wife. > All the Dutch passengers have names difficult for me to spell. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > > > James D. Allen wrote: > >>Here's a good example of unintentional consequences. >>I have a relative that came in to New Orleans as an orphan about 1853. >>We couldn't figure out why he CAME as an orphan but this would be an >>interesting angle to check out. >>One of those "duh" revelations. >> >>THANKS! >> >> >> >> >>Robert E. Armstrong wrote: >> >> >>>Dear James, >>>For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of >>>the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary >>>disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton >>>Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's >>>family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly >>>legible. >>>Sincerely, >>>Bob Armstrong >>> >>> >>>James D. Allen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Marilyn and List: >>>> >>>>Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >>>>the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >>>>1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? >>>> >>>>I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >>>>passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >>>>resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >>>>I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >>>>records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship >>>>somehow? >>>> >>>>Any suggestions? >>>> >>>>Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello, Faye, >>>>>You have given very little information to help find more about your >>>>>William >>>>>Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>>>> >>>>>You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia >>>>>from >>>>>Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your >>>>>William >>>>>there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>>>>mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the >>>>>kids? >>>>>Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>>>>those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>>>>instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland >>>>>in >>>>>1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do >>>>>you >>>>>know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in >>>>>Australia? >>>>>Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time >>>>>finding >>>>>more information about William's family in Ireland. >>>>> >>>>>Sorry not to be of more help. >>>>> >>>>>Marilyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > picture > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > America, author of the veterinary > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think if you are a member you can access the records of the genealogies of other members at the headquarters in Washington D.C. I believe at one time they had a free online access to the records for a short time. I don't know if there is a website for the records or if the records have been computerized, but they may have been. I would try Googling for the DAR and see what you can find out about accessing the records of genealogies of those women who were qualifying to become members. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear James, > My wife and I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library here in Houston. > It's actually two buildings, and the main one is a two story monster. > There we had access to the entire US Census and many records published > by the DAR. Perhaps you can find a Genealogical Library near where you > live. I have never tried to ask the DAR if they had local records, so I > am a poor one to predict what the DAR allows. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > > James D. Allen wrote: > >>Bob, >>Does one have to join the DAR to get access to the documents they have >>on file? Can a member do the looking for >>a non member? I haven't had the time to research DAR's site but I did >>put in a few surnames and got some very interesting leads. >> >>Now I need to figure out how to get the documents. I apologize in >>advance for taking the short cut of just asking vs. researching. >> >>Thanks. >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > picture > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > America, author of the veterinary > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow, you are right...there were many possible ports where a Scot could arrive in the USA...and Canada as well. It's tough. I hope he has an unusual name? Or is that too much to hope for? Was he naturalized a citizen? I think at that time you had to be a resident and have a job for 5 years after arriving in the USA but I am not sure...but you can google for it. There were different rules at different times and the applications showed either a little or a lot. New York from Liverpool is a good guess as many came that way, at least from Ireland. I would wonder if Ancestry.com would have access to port records for at least some years. Also Boston has a place where you can query for ship's lists and they will even search for your ancestor but you need a pretty good idea of when he came...or at least a small range of years. Recently I have been searching for the arrival of an ancestor of mine whose daughter married my Armstrong grandfather. Her father's name was Joseph Milligan. There is a genealogy service to which you have to subscribe if you want to use but every week or a couple of times a week they have free searches on different topics. It's: www.GenealogyLookups.com and I think you can sort of subscribe to the newsletters without paying, then take advantage of the day's free look-up service when you get your e-mail. For instance they recently had look-ups for the port of New York for certain years in the 1800s so I asked for a look-up for Joseph Milligan and they found one who is a good candidate to be mine...not sure but the age is very close. I will also try to find Boston arrivals and see if I can find a similar name and dates. I know there are other sites for ships' lists, etc., but you do have to poke around a lot and I don't know how you can avoid that. Give that a try and see if you have any luck. Do you know anybody who subscribes to ancestry.com or does your local public library (ours does)? Have you googled for the name of your person? You don't say if this is an Armstrong and if it isn't, have you subscribed to the surname list for that name? I know these things seem kind of elementary but sometimes we forget the things that might be the most obvious. Good luck..let us know if you find anything. Sorry not to be of more help. Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "James D. Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Marilyn and List: > > Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to > the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume > 1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? > > I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive > passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other > resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, > I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships > records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship > somehow? > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks. > > > > > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> Hello, Faye, >> You have given very little information to help find more about your >> William >> Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >> >> You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia >> from >> Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your >> William >> there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >> mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the >> kids? >> Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >> those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >> instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland >> in >> 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >> know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in >> Australia? >> Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time >> finding >> more information about William's family in Ireland. >> >> Sorry not to be of more help. >> >> Marilyn >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Marilyn, I believe there may have been more than one vessel named William and Mary. This particular one is on the bottom of the sea. It was on the second half of it's maiden voyage. It started out in Bath, Maine, (where it was built) and went to Liverpool, in 1853, picked up 208 passengers and a heavy load of railroad iron and crockery. It went down in the Bahamas just off the southern tip of Great Abaco. Good luck in your search. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX Marilyn Otterson wrote: >HI...am I wrong or didn't the William and Mary make more than one trip with >more than one bunch of passengers to the new world? I am pretty sure it >did. I am quite sure (although I 'll have to look them up now) that my >ancestors were English when they came here. There were several and I'd have >to go back through some genealogies to find them but I will try if you need >me to do that. > >Marilyn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:12 PM >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > >>Dear James, >>There were only 208 passengers aboard the William and Mary. Most were >>Irish, and the second largest contingent were Dutch. There was two small >>families of English passengers, my grandmother's family was from >>Scotland, and there was one additional Scottish male, Mr. Miller from >>Edinburgh. There was one Frenchman aboard. The two English were named >>Mr. Luke Stewart with a wife and two daughters, and Mr. Joseph Brooke >>and his wife. >>All the Dutch passengers have names difficult for me to spell. >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >> >> >>James D. Allen wrote: >> >> >> >>>Here's a good example of unintentional consequences. >>>I have a relative that came in to New Orleans as an orphan about 1853. >>>We couldn't figure out why he CAME as an orphan but this would be an >>>interesting angle to check out. >>>One of those "duh" revelations. >>> >>>THANKS! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Robert E. Armstrong wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dear James, >>>>For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of >>>>the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary >>>>disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton >>>>Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's >>>>family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly >>>>legible. >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>> >>>> >>>>James D. Allen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Marilyn and List: >>>>> >>>>>Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >>>>>the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >>>>>1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? >>>>> >>>>>I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >>>>>passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >>>>>resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >>>>>I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >>>>>records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship >>>>>somehow? >>>>> >>>>>Any suggestions? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hello, Faye, >>>>>>You have given very little information to help find more about your >>>>>>William >>>>>>Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>>>>> >>>>>>You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia >>>>>>from >>>>>>Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your >>>>>>William >>>>>>there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>>>>>mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the >>>>>>kids? >>>>>>Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>>>>>those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>>>>>instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland >>>>>>in >>>>>>1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do >>>>>>you >>>>>>know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in >>>>>>Australia? >>>>>>Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time >>>>>>finding >>>>>>more information about William's family in Ireland. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sorry not to be of more help. >>>>>> >>>>>>Marilyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >>picture >>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>America, author of the veterinary >> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If we aren't careful, Armstrong-L will turn into a genealogy list and we don't want that to happen. Back to the Peacocks!!! Marilynn IBSSG

I once belonged to Colonial Dames of 17th Century, DAR, Dau. of 1812 and United Daughters of the Confederacy. Then I was asked to join the Tory organization. I gave up. I quit them all. I had relatives on the Union side during the War between the States. I had Patriots in my family and I had Tories fighting each other during the Rev. War. My DNA says I have both Jewish and Arab blood. No wonder I have indigestion. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear Marilyn, > Both my wife and I had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution. > She is a DAR member and I am an SAR member. But here's another idea for > you. > My earliest ancestors came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, with > the Winthrop Fleet. "They were not Armstrongs." My wife's earliest > ancestor came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony on September 19, 1635 > aboard the ship True Love. This qualified both of us for membership in > the Winthrop Society. > Of course maybe this isn't as prestigious as the Mayflower Society, or > the DAR, but we get a kick out of knowing when they came to America. > Maybe you might like to look up the Winthrop Society. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >>Sure...no Revolutionary ancestral connection. And I have been >>thinking...my >>mother's old Yankee family would have had plenty of candidates, but my >>Armstrong clan didn't get here until the 1860s so of course would not be >>eligible for the D.A.R. >> >>Marilyn >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:51 PM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> >> >>>Dear Marilyn, >>>Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be >>>excluded? >>>The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new members. >>>Sincerely, >>>Bob Armstrong >>>in Houston, TX >>> >>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >>>>interested >>>>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >>>>patriotic >>>>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to >>>>belong; >>>>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >>>>They >>>>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." >>>> >>>>Marilyn >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Dear Marilyn, >>>>>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>> >>>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >>>>>>original >>>>>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>>>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any >>>>>>desire >>>>>>to >>>>>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >>>>>>couple >>>>>>of >>>>>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>>>>wouldn't >>>>>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>>>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >>>>>>jumps >>>>>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >>>>>>friend >>>>>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>>>>exclusivity of it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >>>>>>>mine, >>>>>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>>>>>just >>>>>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>>>>undocumented >>>>>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>info, >>>>>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. >>>>>>>And >>>>>>>probably won't be. >>>>>>>Marilynn >>>>>>>IBSSG >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>>>>gospel >>>>>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. >>>>>>>>You >>>>>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>>>>>have >>>>>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>>>>>>religious...to >>>>>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>>>>local >>>>>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>few >>>>>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available >>>>>>>>on >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the >>>>>>>>info >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen >>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>often. >>>>>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza >>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>>>>>>>can >>>>>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>>>>published >>>>>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>>>>>>>who >>>>>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have >>>>>>>>one >>>>>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, >>>>>>>>through >>>>>>>>royal >>>>>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>>>>>not. >>>>>>>>I >>>>>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we >>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>just >>>>>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>>>>genuine. >>>>>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, >>>>>>>>no >>>>>>>>matter >>>>>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >>>>>>>>or >>>>>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IMHO, >>>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! >>>>>>>>>:D >>>>>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY >>>>>>>>>details? >>>>>>>>>One >>>>>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>>>>>>>>pay >>>>>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Take care, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Rob. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>>picture >>>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and >>>>>without >>>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>>>America, author of the veterinary >>>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & >>>>> Noble >>>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Sincerely, >>>Bob Armstrong >>>in Houston, TX >>>picture >>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>America, author of the veterinary >>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > picture > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > America, author of the veterinary > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

DAR has an online library that anybody can search. Copies of membership applications can be ordered for $10 and DAR search services cost $40 per hour for non members. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James D. Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Bob, > Does one have to join the DAR to get access to the documents they have > on file? Can a member do the looking for > a non member? I haven't had the time to research DAR's site but I did > put in a few surnames and got some very interesting leads. > > Now I need to figure out how to get the documents. I apologize in > advance for taking the short cut of just asking vs. researching. > > Thanks. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bob, Mine was a Miller. My Mother's father's side. Any idea how old he was? Hmmmm. Robert E. Armstrong wrote: > Dear James, > There were only 208 passengers aboard the William and Mary. Most were > Irish, and the second largest contingent were Dutch. There was two small > families of English passengers, my grandmother's family was from > Scotland, and there was one additional Scottish male, Mr. Miller from > Edinburgh. There was one Frenchman aboard. The two English were named > Mr. Luke Stewart with a wife and two daughters, and Mr. Joseph Brooke > and his wife. > All the Dutch passengers have names difficult for me to spell. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > > > James D. Allen wrote: > > >> Here's a good example of unintentional consequences. >> I have a relative that came in to New Orleans as an orphan about 1853. >> We couldn't figure out why he CAME as an orphan but this would be an >> interesting angle to check out. >> One of those "duh" revelations. >> >> THANKS! >> >> >> >> >> Robert E. Armstrong wrote: >> >> >> >>> Dear James, >>> For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of >>> the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary >>> disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton >>> Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's >>> family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly legible. >>> Sincerely, >>> Bob Armstrong >>> >>> >>> James D. Allen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Marilyn and List: >>>> >>>> Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >>>> the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >>>> 1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? >>>> >>>> I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >>>> passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >>>> resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >>>> I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >>>> records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship somehow? >>>> >>>> Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello, Faye, >>>>> You have given very little information to help find more about your William >>>>> Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>>>> >>>>> You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from >>>>> Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William >>>>> there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>>>> mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? >>>>> Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>>>> those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>>>> instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in >>>>> 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >>>>> know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? >>>>> Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding >>>>> more information about William's family in Ireland. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry not to be of more help. >>>>> >>>>> Marilyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > >

Dear James, Wow, what a coincidence! No, I really don't know the man's full name. Did you read my story about the voyage of the William and Mary? If not, let me know and I'll send you a copy. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong James D. Allen wrote: >Bob, >Mine was a Miller. My Mother's father's side. Any idea how old he was? > >Hmmmm. > > > >Robert E. Armstrong wrote: > > >>Dear James, >>There were only 208 passengers aboard the William and Mary. Most were >>Irish, and the second largest contingent were Dutch. There was two small >>families of English passengers, my grandmother's family was from >>Scotland, and there was one additional Scottish male, Mr. Miller from >>Edinburgh. There was one Frenchman aboard. The two English were named >>Mr. Luke Stewart with a wife and two daughters, and Mr. Joseph Brooke >>and his wife. >>All the Dutch passengers have names difficult for me to spell. >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >> >> >>James D. Allen wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Here's a good example of unintentional consequences. >>>I have a relative that came in to New Orleans as an orphan about 1853. >>>We couldn't figure out why he CAME as an orphan but this would be an >>>interesting angle to check out. >>>One of those "duh" revelations. >>> >>>THANKS! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Robert E. Armstrong wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dear James, >>>>For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of >>>>the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary >>>>disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton >>>>Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's >>>>family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly legible. >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>> >>>> >>>>James D. Allen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Marilyn and List: >>>>> >>>>>Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >>>>>the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >>>>>1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? >>>>> >>>>>I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >>>>>passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >>>>>resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >>>>>I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >>>>>records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship somehow? >>>>> >>>>>Any suggestions? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hello, Faye, >>>>>>You have given very little information to help find more about your William >>>>>>Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>>>>> >>>>>>You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from >>>>>>Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William >>>>>>there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>>>>>mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? >>>>>>Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>>>>>those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>>>>>instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in >>>>>>1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >>>>>>know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? >>>>>>Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding >>>>>>more information about William's family in Ireland. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sorry not to be of more help. >>>>>> >>>>>>Marilyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Marilyn, There is a fairly new book out, "Mayflower," by Nathaniel Philbrick. It doesn't paint a very pretty picture of the Pilgrims. Philbrick won the National Book Award with a previous book called "In the Heart of the Sea." It's my feeling that I really don't need a lot of new cousins. If it really turned out to be in the hundreds of thousands, it would just be another bunch wanting to borrow money. Regarding what kids learn now, I think every kid should read "1776," a Pulitzer Prize winner, by David McCullough and his other books, "John Adams" and "Truman" are great too." Morning on Horseback" is his story of Teddy Roosevelt early days, before the presidency. Also very good! We didn't stop in Plymouth, when we passed through, but we have done a lot of traveling with the kids. We have a small motor home, and the only states we haven't visited are North Dakota and Rhode Island. We even rented one and traveled to most of the countries in Europe during our six your tour of duty there. We found that traveling and camping is a great way for kids to learn and meet the local folks. Thanks for the nice note. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX Marilyn Otterson wrote: >Yeah, I had a couple who came over on the Winthrop fleet, too and I know >about that society. Ditto "Colonial Dames" and some other one where you had >to have ancestors here early. My grandmother was very proud and was always >saying, "You are eligible to join....this or that group." I think she was >disappointed that I never did. I figure there must be a million people who >would qualify at the rate that New Englanders can find "cousins" in many >different lines. It's interesting that so many clubs have formed. My only >Mayflower connection is to an old guy who died in the harbor while still on >the ship. The next year his daughter came over...otherwise I'd have no >connection. I once read if you had an ancestor on the Mayflower you had >some huge number...hundreds of thousands... of "cousins" who also could >claim those folks as ancestors. If you've never been to Plymouth, MA, the >museum and the Pilgrim village with authentic everything and re-enactors is >very interesting even if you didn't have a Mayflower ancestor...it gives a >great picture of how those early ancestors lived. > >I guess I never was drawn to join any formal group but I'm sure those groups >do a lot of good keeping history alive (did you know that there is a lot >less emphasis on history now than there was when we were kids in school...I >think that's terrible! A lot of kids don't even know what the Revolution was >about. Really shameful.) > >Cousin Marilyn > >Cousin Marilyn >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:55 AM >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > > > > >>Dear Marilyn, >>Both my wife and I had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution. >>She is a DAR member and I am an SAR member. But here's another idea for >>you. >>My earliest ancestors came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, with >>the Winthrop Fleet. "They were not Armstrongs." My wife's earliest >>ancestor came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony on September 19, 1635 >>aboard the ship True Love. This qualified both of us for membership in >>the Winthrop Society. >>Of course maybe this isn't as prestigious as the Mayflower Society, or >>the DAR, but we get a kick out of knowing when they came to America. >>Maybe you might like to look up the Winthrop Society. >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >> >>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> >> >> >>>Sure...no Revolutionary ancestral connection. And I have been >>>thinking...my >>>mother's old Yankee family would have had plenty of candidates, but my >>>Armstrong clan didn't get here until the 1860s so of course would not be >>>eligible for the D.A.R. >>> >>>Marilyn >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:51 PM >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dear Marilyn, >>>>Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be >>>>excluded? >>>>The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new members. >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>in Houston, TX >>>> >>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >>>>>interested >>>>>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >>>>>patriotic >>>>>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to >>>>>belong; >>>>>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >>>>>They >>>>>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." >>>>> >>>>>Marilyn >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Dear Marilyn, >>>>>>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>>> >>>>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >>>>>>>original >>>>>>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>>>>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any >>>>>>>desire >>>>>>>to >>>>>>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >>>>>>>couple >>>>>>>of >>>>>>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>>>>>wouldn't >>>>>>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>>>>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >>>>>>>jumps >>>>>>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >>>>>>>friend >>>>>>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>>>>>exclusivity of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>>>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >>>>>>>>mine, >>>>>>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>>>>>>just >>>>>>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>>>>>undocumented >>>>>>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>info, >>>>>>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. >>>>>>>>And >>>>>>>>probably won't be. >>>>>>>>Marilynn >>>>>>>>IBSSG >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>>>>>gospel >>>>>>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. >>>>>>>>>You >>>>>>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>>>>>>have >>>>>>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>>>>>>>religious...to >>>>>>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>>>>>local >>>>>>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>few >>>>>>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available >>>>>>>>>on >>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the >>>>>>>>>info >>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen >>>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>>often. >>>>>>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza >>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>>>>>>>>can >>>>>>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>>>>>published >>>>>>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>>>>>>>>who >>>>>>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have >>>>>>>>>one >>>>>>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, >>>>>>>>>through >>>>>>>>>royal >>>>>>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>>>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>>>>>>not. >>>>>>>>>I >>>>>>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we >>>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>>just >>>>>>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>>>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>>>>>genuine. >>>>>>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, >>>>>>>>>no >>>>>>>>>matter >>>>>>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >>>>>>>>>or >>>>>>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>IMHO, >>>>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! >>>>>>>>>>:D >>>>>>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY >>>>>>>>>>details? >>>>>>>>>>One >>>>>>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>>>>>>>>>pay >>>>>>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Take care, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Rob. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>>>picture >>>>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and >>>>>>without >>>>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>>>>America, author of the veterinary >>>>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>>>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & >>>>>>Noble >>>>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>>Sincerely, >>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>in Houston, TX >>>>picture >>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>>America, author of the veterinary >>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >>in Houston, TX >>picture >>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>America, author of the veterinary >> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yeah, I had a couple who came over on the Winthrop fleet, too and I know about that society. Ditto "Colonial Dames" and some other one where you had to have ancestors here early. My grandmother was very proud and was always saying, "You are eligible to join....this or that group." I think she was disappointed that I never did. I figure there must be a million people who would qualify at the rate that New Englanders can find "cousins" in many different lines. It's interesting that so many clubs have formed. My only Mayflower connection is to an old guy who died in the harbor while still on the ship. The next year his daughter came over...otherwise I'd have no connection. I once read if you had an ancestor on the Mayflower you had some huge number...hundreds of thousands... of "cousins" who also could claim those folks as ancestors. If you've never been to Plymouth, MA, the museum and the Pilgrim village with authentic everything and re-enactors is very interesting even if you didn't have a Mayflower ancestor...it gives a great picture of how those early ancestors lived. I guess I never was drawn to join any formal group but I'm sure those groups do a lot of good keeping history alive (did you know that there is a lot less emphasis on history now than there was when we were kids in school...I think that's terrible! A lot of kids don't even know what the Revolution was about. Really shameful.) Cousin Marilyn Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre > Dear Marilyn, > Both my wife and I had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution. > She is a DAR member and I am an SAR member. But here's another idea for > you. > My earliest ancestors came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, with > the Winthrop Fleet. "They were not Armstrongs." My wife's earliest > ancestor came to the Massachusetts Bay Colony on September 19, 1635 > aboard the ship True Love. This qualified both of us for membership in > the Winthrop Society. > Of course maybe this isn't as prestigious as the Mayflower Society, or > the DAR, but we get a kick out of knowing when they came to America. > Maybe you might like to look up the Winthrop Society. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > > Marilyn Otterson wrote: > >>Sure...no Revolutionary ancestral connection. And I have been >>thinking...my >>mother's old Yankee family would have had plenty of candidates, but my >>Armstrong clan didn't get here until the 1860s so of course would not be >>eligible for the D.A.R. >> >>Marilyn >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:51 PM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >> >> >> >> >>>Dear Marilyn, >>>Now you've got me interested. Can you tell me what caused them to be >>>excluded? >>>The DAR organizations around here seem to be anxious to have new members. >>>Sincerely, >>>Bob Armstrong >>>in Houston, TX >>> >>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>What I meant was...it's an organization that is not open to every >>>>interested >>>>woman. As I said, I know that the D.A.R. sponsors educational and >>>>patriotic >>>>projects which is admirable. Your wife belongs; I am eligible to >>>>belong; >>>>however, some of my friends who might like to be members can't belong. >>>>They >>>>are exluded. That's what I meant by "exclusive." >>>> >>>>Marilyn >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Robert E. Armstrong" <[email protected]> >>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:06 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Dear Marilyn, >>>>>It's not so exclusive. My wife belongs to it. >>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>> >>>>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>As far as I know now, at least, you have to provide copies of the >>>>>>original >>>>>>marriage/birth records to join the D.A.R. I have 5 (or maybe 6) >>>>>>Revolutionary soldiers on my mother's side, but I never felt any >>>>>>desire >>>>>>to >>>>>>join. I do have a couple of great aunts who did the research on a >>>>>>couple >>>>>>of >>>>>>those men in order to join, so I guess if I ever wanted to join it >>>>>>wouldn't >>>>>>be too hard to access the stuff they have already done. I know the >>>>>>organization does a lot of good and patriotic things (before anybody >>>>>>jumps >>>>>>on me about this) but I never wanted to bother even though I have a >>>>>>friend >>>>>>who keeps trying to get me to join. I guess I just don't like the >>>>>>exclusivity of it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:04 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Well, cousin Marilyn who can't spell her own name correctly, don't >>>>>>>necessarily believe the DAR records also. I found a BIG mistake in >>>>>>>mine, >>>>>>>tried to correct it, and got nowhere. So anyone tracing that line can >>>>>>>just >>>>>>>go on forever tracing the wrong line. Anything I get that is >>>>>>>undocumented >>>>>>>and expecially takes me back to King Arthur or whoever, I take all >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>info, >>>>>>>bundle it up and save it for some later date when I MAY be proved. >>>>>>>And >>>>>>>probably won't be. >>>>>>>Marilynn >>>>>>>IBSSG >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 9:55 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>One of the biggest lessons I've had is that you just can't take as >>>>>>>>gospel >>>>>>>>anything you find or are given on the Internet or in LDS records. >>>>>>>>You >>>>>>>>really have to check the primary source to know for sure if what you >>>>>>>>have >>>>>>>>been given is correct. That's why many genealogists end up going to >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>U.K. or Ireland to try to find primary records...civil or >>>>>>>>religious...to >>>>>>>>confirm what they suppose about their ancestors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When I first started to work on my family's genealogy I went to the >>>>>>>>local >>>>>>>>LDS Family History Center. A kind volunteer helped me find one of >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>few >>>>>>>>ancestors I knew of at that time. I copied all the info available >>>>>>>>on >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>person and then tried to go from there only to find out that the >>>>>>>>info >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>had been given to the FHC was incorrect. This seems to happen >>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>often. >>>>>>>>I used to find things on the Internet and think I'd found a bonanza >>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>information but it was often inaccurate. The only records I feel I >>>>>>>>can >>>>>>>>trust, other than seeing the documents myself, are those in most >>>>>>>>published >>>>>>>>works and in records of such organizations as the D.A.R. where those >>>>>>>>who >>>>>>>>wish to join must find primary records of their ancestors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If we could go back far enough, we could all find a royal. I have >>>>>>>>one >>>>>>>>genealogy that takes me back to Adam and Eve, or practically, >>>>>>>>through >>>>>>>>royal >>>>>>>>families from all over Europe...but there's no way of knowing if the >>>>>>>>records, even though published, are correct. Maybe they are...maybe >>>>>>>>not. >>>>>>>>I >>>>>>>>think that unless we can see the actual records or a true copy, we >>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>just >>>>>>>>dealing with wishful thinking a lot of the time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As some know, I was researching the wrong Armstrong family...even to >>>>>>>>searching cemeteries in Co. Antrim...for about 5 years. It's only >>>>>>>>fairly >>>>>>>>recently that I know my Armstrongs emigrated to the USA from Co. >>>>>>>>Tyrone..and >>>>>>>>that's from church baptismal and marriage records which I know are >>>>>>>>genuine. >>>>>>>>It's easy to get off on the wrong track if you accept information, >>>>>>>>no >>>>>>>>matter >>>>>>>>if given with good intentions, without making sure there are records >>>>>>>>or >>>>>>>>documents to back it up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>IMHO, >>>>>>>>Cousin Marilyn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:21 AM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] ARMSTRONGE, De Mormaer & De Dampierre >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"After seeing your post yesterday I Googled the de Mormaer >>>>>>>>>name and came up with another lead, have emailed asking for factual >>>>>>>>>references an am waiting for an answer." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Thanks Sean for this post, it's certainly given me a lot of info!! >>>>>>>>>:D >>>>>>>>>Would you let me know what you hear back please? Ta muchly! :D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"And don't forget that I am as likely to be wrong as anyone else." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Which has always been MY concern ... just how correct are MY >>>>>>>>>details? >>>>>>>>>One >>>>>>>>>day I'll hit the jackpot on the Georgia Lottery and I'll be able to >>>>>>>>>pay >>>>>>>>>someone to find out for me! ;D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Take care, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Rob. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Sincerely, >>>>>Bob Armstrong >>>>>in Houston, TX >>>>>picture >>>>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and >>>>>without >>>>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>>>America, author of the veterinary >>>>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>>>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & >>>>> Noble >>>>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Sincerely, >>>Bob Armstrong >>>in Houston, TX >>>picture >>>"I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without >>>regret." Roderick Haig-Brown >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of >>>America, author of the veterinary >>> mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, >>>ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and >>> INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble >>> Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > in Houston, TX > picture > "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without > regret." Roderick Haig-Brown > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of > America, author of the veterinary > mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, > ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and > INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble > Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's a good example of unintentional consequences. I have a relative that came in to New Orleans as an orphan about 1853. We couldn't figure out why he CAME as an orphan but this would be an interesting angle to check out. One of those "duh" revelations. THANKS! Robert E. Armstrong wrote: > Dear James, > For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of > the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary > disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton > Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's > family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly legible. > Sincerely, > Bob Armstrong > > > James D. Allen wrote: > > >> Marilyn and List: >> >> Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >> the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >> 1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? >> >> I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >> passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >> resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >> I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >> records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship somehow? >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> Marilyn Otterson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello, Faye, >>> You have given very little information to help find more about your William >>> Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>> >>> You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from >>> Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William >>> there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>> mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? >>> Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>> those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>> instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in >>> 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >>> know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? >>> Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding >>> more information about William's family in Ireland. >>> >>> Sorry not to be of more help. >>> >>> Marilyn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > >

may be need to after all we sopst to be reaserchers armstyrong Marilynn Masten <[email protected]> wrote: If we aren't careful, Armstrong-L will turn into a genealogy list and we don't want that to happen. Back to the Peacocks!!! Marilynn IBSSG ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message porkchop --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

Marilyn and List: Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume 1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship somehow? Any suggestions? Thanks. Marilyn Otterson wrote: > Hello, Faye, > You have given very little information to help find more about your William > Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) > > You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from > Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William > there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their > mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? > Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes > those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For > instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in > 1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you > know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? > Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding > more information about William's family in Ireland. > > Sorry not to be of more help. > > Marilyn > >

Dear James, There were only 208 passengers aboard the William and Mary. Most were Irish, and the second largest contingent were Dutch. There was two small families of English passengers, my grandmother's family was from Scotland, and there was one additional Scottish male, Mr. Miller from Edinburgh. There was one Frenchman aboard. The two English were named Mr. Luke Stewart with a wife and two daughters, and Mr. Joseph Brooke and his wife. All the Dutch passengers have names difficult for me to spell. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong James D. Allen wrote: >Here's a good example of unintentional consequences. >I have a relative that came in to New Orleans as an orphan about 1853. >We couldn't figure out why he CAME as an orphan but this would be an >interesting angle to check out. >One of those "duh" revelations. > >THANKS! > > > > >Robert E. Armstrong wrote: > > >>Dear James, >>For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of >>the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary >>disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton >>Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's >>family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly legible. >>Sincerely, >>Bob Armstrong >> >> >>James D. Allen wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Marilyn and List: >>> >>>Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >>>the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >>>1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? >>> >>>I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >>>passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >>>resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >>>I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >>>records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship somehow? >>> >>>Any suggestions? >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Marilyn Otterson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello, Faye, >>>>You have given very little information to help find more about your William >>>>Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >>>> >>>>You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from >>>>Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William >>>>there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>>>mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? >>>>Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>>>those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>>>instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in >>>>1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >>>>know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? >>>>Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding >>>>more information about William's family in Ireland. >>>> >>>>Sorry not to be of more help. >>>> >>>>Marilyn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear James, For what it's worth, I found the microfilmed passenger list of one of the two rescue boats that brought survivors of the William and Mary disaster to New Orleans in 1853. I found them at the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston. All five members of my grandmother's family of Browns were listed, however two of the names were hardly legible. Sincerely, Bob Armstrong James D. Allen wrote: >Marilyn and List: > >Any idea where I'd go to get passenger list for a Scotsman who came to >the US (ending up in either MA or RI) after the Civil war (I assume >1865-72) from an unknown port of departure? > >I've drawn blanks from searching the standard on line or MA Archive >passenger lists, and am not real familiar with different books or other >resources out there. There are so many ports and boats, >I'm not sure where to best spend my energy. When you refer to "ships >records" is that a single source or do you have to search each ship somehow? > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks. > > > > > >Marilyn Otterson wrote: > > >>Hello, Faye, >>You have given very little information to help find more about your William >>Armstrong. (It's a very common name.) >> >>You might try researching ships' records for 1820 arrivals to Australia from >>Ireland. It's possible you could find more information about your William >>there. Do you know if the children who were left behind were with their >>mother? Do you happen to know her name? Do you know the names of the kids? >>Can you find immigration records about William in Australia...sometimes >>those reveal more information about the person arriving there. (For >>instance, there were probably 100 or more William Armstrongs in Ireland in >>1820 and you would need to know what country William came from.) Do you >>know if he ever was able to bring the children to be with him in Australia? >>Without knowing more, I think you are going to have a difficult time finding >>more information about William's family in Ireland. >> >>Sorry not to be of more help. >> >>Marilyn >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Sincerely, Bob Armstrong in Houston, TX picture "I have fished through fishless days that I remember happily and without regret." Roderick Haig-Brown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert E. Armstrong, DVM, MS, member Dog Writers Association of America, author of the veterinary mystery/thrillers, CANIS - paperback, ISBN 0-595-29795-1 or eBook, ISBN 0-595-75078-8 and INDEX OF SUSPICION - ISBN: 0-595-20485-6 Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble Visit my home page at http://home.houston.rr.com/rarmstrong9/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~