my personal preference is Aboriginal American but I usually have to settle for "fat boy" "squat" or "crabby old fart". Today, by the way, is Columbus Day. Most of us don't observe the day but I do because he led the way for my little ISicilian honey's grandparents. So happy Columbus Day to all you invaders. Cousin Chuck > [Original Message] > From: Marilyn Otterson <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/9/2006 12:28:46 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT > > I once went to some classes taught by a Native American...or Indian...we > asked which he preferred to be called. He said, "We like to be called First > Americans." Thought that was pretty good and nice..and accurate. > > Marilyn (one N) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT > > > > "I always thought that most of the African-American or Black Armstrongs > > had taken a "slave name" or the name of the person who "owned" them." > > > > I worked at Denny's as a waitress when I was pregnant with Lauren. There > > were quite a few Hispanics and a couple of black Americans. One in > > particular I still remember to this day, although don't ask me his name, > > I've forgotten that bit! lol I said "African American" to something and > > he said "No, I'm NOT African American, I'm BLACK American. I wasn't born > > in Africa, my ancestors were, but that doesn't give ME the right to use > > 'African'". Made perfect sense to me!!! > > > > This also happened with Native Americans too, take hubby for instance. > > He's Pueblo Indian, from Laguna, NM and his family all have the English > > name of Leeds. Can't get much more English than that! lol Apparently > > when they were all "rounded up" to be placed on reservations, they were > > given an English surname so they could easily be identified. > > > > Sadly a lot of the history of their correct names has been lost, which > > makes my job of tracing hubby's lines very difficult! :( If I could find > > out what "Yamie" means (Walter's Dad's middle name and Robert's middle > > name) I think I'd be happy!! :D > > > > Take care, > > > > Rob. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, Marilynn, you SAID it. Just don't insert foot. :)) Mary

I don't know if there are any Armstrongs of color researching on this list although I think there was one at one time, plus several Native Americans at one time. I always thought that most of the African-American or Black Armstrongs had taken a "slave name" or the name of the person who "owned" them. Don't know if this is correct, but I believe in many cases this is true. But who knows if many of them had children related to the owner...I believe that it happened fairly often...so that would make them Armstrongs by blood and not just from taking a name. It's like Thomas Jeffererson's family finding that they had many blood relatives who had African-American and Jeffersonian genes... cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Hobbs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT > When I reply to this, is it sent out to everyone? Was wondering if anyone > had info on Armstrongs from Maryland? Frederick or Hagerstown? I haven't > yet begun to research this line. > > Also, are any of you in your little chat group (emails) here black? I was > told there were so many black Armstrongs, especially from the south....is > this true? The same person told me that most black Armstrongs hail > originally from Trinidad, and island nations, not Africa. > > I am white and my ggrandmother Armstrong supposedly came from Ireland. > She > had red hair. Thanks, Renee' > > >>From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >>Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:24:04 -0400 >> >>Don't worry...the Border Armstrongs were among those chased out and sent >>to >>Ireland. An awful lot of Irish or Scot-Irish Armstrongs have roots in the >>Border clans if only we could trace our ancestors, that wild bunch. >> >>Marilyn >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 4:21 PM >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >> >> >> > Oh, yeah. Furthermore I am not a Border Armstrong, but an Irish one. >>who >> > probably sneaked into Ireland to escape the Brits. >> > >> > >> > >> > Marilynn >> > IBSSG >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 4:17 PM >> > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >> > >> > >> >> Rephrase that..YOU can buy frozen Rhubarb. I cannot. Not unless I >>move >> >> which I am quite willing to do. >> >> Marilynn >> >> IBSSG >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Jim & Sue Allen" <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 4:06 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >> >> >> >> >> >>>A real Border Armstrong would have stole the rhubarb, and forced >>someone >> >>> else to make the pie. >> >>> >> >>> lol >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: [email protected] >> >>> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson >> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 3:33 PM >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Dear Carmelita Marilynn, >> >>> You can buy frozen rhubarb, all cleaned and nicely cut to pop right >>into >> >>> a >> >>> pie shell. It's almost as good as going out, pulling it, cutting off >> >>> the >> >>> leaves, washing it, cutting it up yourself! :^) I don't like to >> >>> eat >> >>> piecrust (even though I love the homemade kind) so I put it in >> >>> unbaked >> >>> pie >> >>> shell with about a cup of sugar, 3 T. flour and a couple of >> >>> eggs...all >> >>> mixed >> >>> up with a tiny bit of milk...poured on, then baked. Start at about >>400 >> >>> for >> >>> 10 mintues then lower oven to 350 for about 45 minutes. This is a >> >>> lot >> >>> easier than making a two crust pie. If you are in a hurry, buy the >> >>> already >> >>> fixed pie shell in the store. I fake it by re-shaping the edge so it >> >>> looks >> >>> homemade. (We Armstrongs are very sneaky and crafty when we >> >>> wannabe.) >> >>> Cousin Marilyn >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:30 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> When I first moved to NC, I couldn't believe that Rhubarb would not >> >>>> grow >> >>>> here, Likewise everbearing Strawberries. So being Scottish-Irish >>with >> >>>> a >> >>>> stubborn streak, I tried both. Had a beautiful Rhubarb plant that >> >>>> disappeared overnight. We don't grow lemons or oranges, either. NC >> >>>> DOES >> >>>> grow good Strawberries but they don't last long. One has to OD on >>them >> >>>> before the season is over. Grandma called it Pie Plant and I called >>it >> >>>> Rhubarb and we used to fight good-naturedly about that. Once in >>awhile >> >>>> I >> >>>> can find it in the stores but not often. I grew wonderful >> >>>> Raspberries >> >>>> but >> >>>> got sick of fighting the darn Blue Jays over them. They thought the >> >>>> berries >> >>>> belonged to THEM! And I don't like tomatoes but I like tomato sauce. >> >>>> No, >> >>>> no >> >>>> Lilacs either and could smack my son if I could reach him for >> >>>> calling >> >>>> me >> >>>> to >> >>>> brag about how wonderful his Lilacs smell. >> >>>> >> >>>> Ah, well. I get homesick. >> >>>> Marilynn Carmelita >> >>>> IBSSG >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:23 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Thanks for the compliment, F.R. I recently read that rhubarb has >>to >> >>>>> have >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> period of cold or freezing temps in the winter, probably why you >> >>>>> had >> >>>>> trouble >> >>>>> trying to grow it in the south. Sigh. My friend in GA tries so >>hard >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> grow lilacs, her favorite flower...and they, like rhubarb, need a >> >>>>> period >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> very cold weather. On the other hand, we can't grow oranges, >> >>>>> lemons >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> maters in the winter like you southern folks can. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I can't imagine being sick of BBQ, but then we don't have it very >> >>>>> often >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> none like yours (although son Jeff does a pretty good job of >>trying.) >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> still have some of your rub and I suppose the spices are getting >>stale >> >>>>> by >> >>>>> now. Jeff made up a new batch and will give me some. And I still >> >>>>> make >> >>>>> your >> >>>>> beer turkey every year...looks messy, falling apart, but SO good. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I hope you and Gerri have a great trip to MS tomorrow and have a >> >>>>> fun >> >>>>> time...and hope the grandkids do well with the BBQ contest. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Cousin Marilyn >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <[email protected]> >> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:52 AM >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Cousin Marilyn, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Alas! The Hot Tamale Man went to that big Molly Stand in the sky!! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I still drive over and get the best fried gizzards in the country >> >>>>>> when >> >>>>>> we >> >>>>>> go >> >>>>>> to MS. After practicing cooking all week, we'll probably be sick >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> BBQ >> >>>>>> by >> >>>>>> contest time! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I still haven't forgot how good your Rhubarb pie was!!! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Fount >> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:14 PM >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> OH, boy, lucky folks if you are teaching how to BBQ, F.R. I >> >>>>>>> still >> >>>>>>> remember >> >>>>>>> your ribs...best ever...and everything else you ever cooked on >>your >> >>>>>>> locomotive. Does that old guy still sell the tamales and do you >> >>>>>>> still >> >>>>>>> eat >> >>>>>>> those fried chicken livers...or was it gizzards...in MS? Hope >> >>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>> great trip. Take it easy and watch those young ones learn how to >>to >> >>>>>>> cook. >> >>>>>>> Whoooo-eeee! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Cousin Marilyn >> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 3:54 PM >> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Hey Cousin Marilyn!!! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> You knew I had to join in when food or drinking came up!! >> >>>>>>>> Going to MS Sunday to train two of my grandsons for a BBQ >> >>>>>>>> contest >> >>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> next >> >>>>>>>> weekend. We'll be cooking all week to get everything where I can >> >>>>>>>> just >> >>>>>>>> sit >> >>>>>>>> back and sip and point. I'm not allowed to do anything but >>advise. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> You are right! If grits aren't cooked right, they can be some >>kind >> >>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>> bad!! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Fount >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:39 AM >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Hey, there is the famous Fount Ray Armstrong back among us! >>Hey, >> >>>>>>>>> F.R., >> >>>>>>>>> good >> >>>>>>>>> to see you. Stick around...we have been having fun fighting >>about >> >>>>>>>>> food. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> If your grits and Cream of Wheat (don't like that, myself) are >> >>>>>>>>> like >> >>>>>>>>> marbles, >> >>>>>>>>> they must not be getting stirred enough to make them smooth >> >>>>>>>>> when >> >>>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>> cooking them, or you are cooking them too hot. No wonder you >> >>>>>>>>> don't >> >>>>>>>>> like >> >>>>>>>>> them. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Cousin Marilyn >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>> From: "Patti Armstrong" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:19 PM >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> grits and cream of wheat are like little marbles rolling >> >>>>>>>>>> around >> >>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>> one's >> >>>>>>>>>> mouth. They are ugly no matter what you put on them. >> >>>>>>>>>> Patti >> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Fount Armstrong" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:40 AM >> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Ya'll !!!! >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Just had to step in and defend grits. >> >>>>>>>>>>> They are good when fixed like Marilyn said and also there are >> >>>>>>>>>>> good >> >>>>>>>>>>> cheese >> >>>>>>>>>>> grits and good Crawfish grits. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Just lurking. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Fount >> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Marilyn Otterson" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:35 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Ben, you have to put butter and salt on grits or they are >> >>>>>>>>>>> > incredibly >> >>>>>>>>>>> > bland, >> >>>>>>>>>>> > I think. Cheese grits are delicious, but fattening. >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Here, down south in southern NH, we like our grits with >>butter >> >>>>>>>>>>> > and >> >>>>>>>>>>> > maple >> >>>>>>>>>>> > syrup. Yum >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Cousin Marilyn >> >>>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>>> > From: "Ben Barr" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:39 PM >> >>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Well Marilynn, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Yes, I think that it might have been mentioned. One >>thing >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Southerners really tried to impress upon me was how good >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Grits >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> were. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> I must say, that I did give it the old college try >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> once. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> The >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> grits >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> were >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> awful! There answer was that I didn't have them prepared >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> right >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> I >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> needed >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to salt, pepper and butter them...hmmmm...I don't think >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> so. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> But in all fairness, I do love their ham biscuits and >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> fried >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> okra. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Ben Barr from North-central Maine where the leaves have >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> changed. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:26 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Gardner-Webb was started by my relatives. I had no idea >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> taught >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> English, the way they speak around here, but a lot of >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> people >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> go >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> there >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> seem to love it. And they don't talk funny after they >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> graduate. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Did >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> try to get you to eat Liver Mush? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Marilynn >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> IBSSG >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> From: "Ben Barr" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:51 PM >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Marilynn, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Are you living in Shelby? I finished my college >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> education >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> at >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Gardner-Webb College (now University) in 1980 with a >>degree >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>> English. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Ben Barr from North-central Maine where the leaves >>have >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> turned. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:43 PM >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Subject: [ARMSTRONG] to the Old Red-Head >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>I DID play Right Guard for the Green Bay Packers. You >>must >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>have >> >>>>>>>>>> missed >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>it. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Could you concoct a recipe for Peacock Haggis? My >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> daughter >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> was >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> once >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> married >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> to a Scotsman (didn't take. Irish tempers and Scottish >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> tempers >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> volatile mixture) But he didn't like Haggis either. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> They >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> something >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> here >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> in Shelby, NC, which they think they invented but it is >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> only >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Philadelphia >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Scrapple made south of Philly. NO, I don't eat that >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> either. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> And >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> don't >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> anybody write and tell me how good it was when mama >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> made >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> breakfast >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> and served it with maple syrup. I'll take your word >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> it. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I have a problem about where my loyalties lay. I am a >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> MacAteer, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> MacIntyre, a Lamont (pronounced Lammit, dammit which >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> became >> >>>>>>>>>> McClymont) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> an >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> O'Cleirigh and a Loftus, plus an Irish Armstrong who >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> probably >> >>>>>>>>>> wandered >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> over >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> the border. They all want me to wear THEIR pins etc. >>And >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> who >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> knows >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> what >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Pryors are? Are my Gardners really Gordons? Very >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> confusing. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Marilynn >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> IBSSG >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> From: "Thomas S. Fiske" <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:59 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] chosen occupations? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Dear RR, >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> In >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> [email protected] with the word >>'unsubscribe' >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> without >> >>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> [email protected] with the word >>'unsubscribe' >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> without >> >>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> [email protected] with the word >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> 'unsubscribe' >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> without >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> ------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> without >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > ------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>>>>>>>>>> > without >> >>>>>>>>>>> > the >> >>>>>>>>>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>>>>>>>>> without >> >>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - 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My grandmother not only ate raw potatos, she ate raw hamburger ! She was not on the Armstrong side. LOL >From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne OT >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:14:16 -0400 > >"Always handing me a piece of raw potato and wondering why I spit it out." > >The humble potato CAN make you very sick actually. If you eat a green one, >it's toxic, and can make you sick. If you're pregnant, stay well away from >potatoes with even a HINT of green, it was said to cause spina bifida in >unborn babies of pregnant mothers who ate green potatoes!!! Peter, my >obstetrician when I had my first son, said many moons ago it would've been >given as the cause of my first son's spina bifida but "these days we just >don't have green potatoes". We don't? HA!! I ate them, just sliced off >the green bits thinking they were okay. Nope!! My first son was >stillborn, so stay away from green potatoes folks!!!!!!! > >We used to use raw potatoes to make "stamps" with, did you ever do that >Marilynn? That was fun, carving "stuff" onto a sliced potato, dipping it >in paint and printing it on paper. I'm suddenly feeling very old with >these old memories!! lol > >Take care, > >Rob. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have 3 kids, unfortunately smoked through all 3 pregnancies (didn't know any better then), and every one of them weighed 8 1/2 lbs. Don't ask me why. It was as though they were all out of the same mold. Cousin Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Babies, etcOT > "Stillbirth happens to women with diabetes, diagnosed, or undiagnosed, as > well > as to those who smoke." > > Mary, Mary, Mary, don't tell me you're one of THOSE?!?!? lol I have yet > to meet a doctor who doesn't blame every single "itty bitty thing" I might > complain of on my diabetes. Give me a break, diabetes does NOT cause have > the things I've had over the years!!!!!!!!! I swear I could do a better > job of doctoring diabetics than any who've treated me!! ;D > > As for smoking, I asked my general practitioner about that when I was > pregnant with Jade. He said "Well, you're a diabetic, so you're bound to > have big babies. But you smoke, which means the baby will be fairly > small. That should work out about even!!" ROTFLMBO LOVED that doctor!! > ;D > > For the record, despite my diabetes ALL my babies were fairly small so I > guess Dr. White was right! lol Jade and Casey were about 6.5lbs each and > Lauren and Robert were 5.5lbs each. Jade now weighs 220lbs and is 1/2" > shorter than me, so don't ANYONE tell me smoking stunts your growth!! lol > > "Green potatoes do not cause such harm. That's another of those old wives > ENGLISH tales.... (now I'm running for the hills.)" > > Come to run with me have you Mary? The race is on!! lol Now I did some > research on this back in Germany because they ONLY had green potatoes at > the CX and it really peed me off! :( The quickest information I can find > today is that potatoes turn green because of solanine which IS toxic, if > eaten in large amounts. The site I just found also said you can just cut > the green off, but I've read differently on two other sites when we were > in Germany, both American sites from memory. Anyway, according to the > Mayo Clinic, they're "probably okay to eat". Don't you love their > decisiveness on this one, from of all places the Mayo Clinic?!? ;D > > I play it safe anyway; if it's green I simply don't buy it anymore. > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lots and lots about green potatoes if you go to www.google.com and put "green potatoes" in the search box. More info than you ever wanted to know. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Babies, etcOT > "Stillbirth happens to women with diabetes, diagnosed, or undiagnosed, as > well > as to those who smoke." > > Mary, Mary, Mary, don't tell me you're one of THOSE?!?!? lol I have yet > to meet a doctor who doesn't blame every single "itty bitty thing" I might > complain of on my diabetes. Give me a break, diabetes does NOT cause have > the things I've had over the years!!!!!!!!! I swear I could do a better > job of doctoring diabetics than any who've treated me!! ;D > > As for smoking, I asked my general practitioner about that when I was > pregnant with Jade. He said "Well, you're a diabetic, so you're bound to > have big babies. But you smoke, which means the baby will be fairly > small. That should work out about even!!" ROTFLMBO LOVED that doctor!! > ;D > > For the record, despite my diabetes ALL my babies were fairly small so I > guess Dr. White was right! lol Jade and Casey were about 6.5lbs each and > Lauren and Robert were 5.5lbs each. Jade now weighs 220lbs and is 1/2" > shorter than me, so don't ANYONE tell me smoking stunts your growth!! lol > > "Green potatoes do not cause such harm. That's another of those old wives > ENGLISH tales.... (now I'm running for the hills.)" > > Come to run with me have you Mary? The race is on!! lol Now I did some > research on this back in Germany because they ONLY had green potatoes at > the CX and it really peed me off! :( The quickest information I can find > today is that potatoes turn green because of solanine which IS toxic, if > eaten in large amounts. The site I just found also said you can just cut > the green off, but I've read differently on two other sites when we were > in Germany, both American sites from memory. Anyway, according to the > Mayo Clinic, they're "probably okay to eat". Don't you love their > decisiveness on this one, from of all places the Mayo Clinic?!? ;D > > I play it safe anyway; if it's green I simply don't buy it anymore. > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, no, steak Diane is a delicious dish that involves sauteeing and flaming. It's cooked and a really fancy, good dish. Steak or beef tartare is the raw stuff...I wouldn't dare to eat any raw ground beef these days...too many possibilities for e.coli or other bugs to getcha. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilynn Masten" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne OT > Raw Hamburger used to be served in restaurants as "Steak Diane." No, I > never ordered any. I guess raw Hamburger used to be safe, like raw eggs. > I > now buy only pasteurized eggs. I think "Steak Tartar" was the same thing. > I honestly can't see the drawing power of these delicacies. > Marilynn > IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R Hobbs" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:40 AM > Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne OT > > >> My grandmother not only ate raw potatos, she ate raw hamburger ! She was >> not on the Armstrong side. LOL >> >> >>>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne OT >>>Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:14:16 -0400 >>> >>>"Always handing me a piece of raw potato and wondering why I spit it >>>out." >>> >>>The humble potato CAN make you very sick actually. If you eat a green >>>one, >>>it's toxic, and can make you sick. If you're pregnant, stay well away >>>from >>>potatoes with even a HINT of green, it was said to cause spina bifida in >>>unborn babies of pregnant mothers who ate green potatoes!!! Peter, my >>>obstetrician when I had my first son, said many moons ago it would've >>>been >>>given as the cause of my first son's spina bifida but "these days we just >>>don't have green potatoes". We don't? HA!! I ate them, just sliced off >>>the green bits thinking they were okay. Nope!! My first son was >>>stillborn, so stay away from green potatoes folks!!!!!!! >>> >>>We used to use raw potatoes to make "stamps" with, did you ever do that >>>Marilynn? That was fun, carving "stuff" onto a sliced potato, dipping it >>>in paint and printing it on paper. I'm suddenly feeling very old with >>>these old memories!! lol >>> >>>Take care, >>> >>>Rob. >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Being from Idaho, I thought I should jump in although, if you notice, I am so reticent, I usually stay out of conversations! In Idaho, we have large structures in which the freshly harvested potatoes are stored. These are temperature controlled and out of sunlight. My brother-in-law used to give us sacks of potatoes when we visited. Yum!! I won't buy potatoes in the store unless they say "Idaho" on them and if they say "Packed in Twin Falls, ID," I pass because that probably means they were grown in maybe Washington (Apples, remember?) and only packed in Twin Falls which is not a potato growing area. Eastern Idaho is where the goodies are. Marilynn IBSSG

There's always one, isn't there? (It's usually me) Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Oriigin of song > Atishoo comes in turn from the French "a tes souhaites" > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

YOU are an Armstrong by adoption???? Huh! I'm a REAL Armstrong. I may forget about driving down to spend Christmas with you. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] OT > "Also, are any of you in your little chat group (emails) here black? I > was > told there were so many black Armstrongs, especially from the south....is > this true?" > > Hi Renee :) > > Let's see ... I'm an Armstrong descendant (yes, I know, only by adoption, > sigh!!), I'm in the south (okay, it's temporary, humour me!!) but I'm as > white as the ... what WOULD I put in there? Snow? Yeah, that'll do, I > glow in the dark! lol But MY Armstrongs hail from Northumberland and > Durham, haven't managed to get back any further than that I'm afraid. > Anyway, I haven't met a single Armstrong since we've been in GA, so they > must be in hiding, black OR white!! ;D > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Rob, don't buy ANYTHING green---especially meat, cottage cheese, and anything that gets up and walks. Lettuce, Beet Greens, onions, celery--they are probably okay, but only if they don't get up and walk. I don't trust ANYTHING that climbs out of the fridge by itself. And all the excuses in the world will not stop me from yammering at you----quit smoking, quit smoking, quit smoking!!!! Killed Webb's first wife, and my best friend and didn't do much good for my Grandma's heart, either. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Babies, etcOT > "Stillbirth happens to women with diabetes, diagnosed, or undiagnosed, as > well > as to those who smoke." > > Mary, Mary, Mary, don't tell me you're one of THOSE?!?!? lol I have yet > to meet a doctor who doesn't blame every single "itty bitty thing" I might > complain of on my diabetes. Give me a break, diabetes does NOT cause have > the things I've had over the years!!!!!!!!! I swear I could do a better > job of doctoring diabetics than any who've treated me!! ;D > > As for smoking, I asked my general practitioner about that when I was > pregnant with Jade. He said "Well, you're a diabetic, so you're bound to > have big babies. But you smoke, which means the baby will be fairly > small. That should work out about even!!" ROTFLMBO LOVED that doctor!! > ;D > > For the record, despite my diabetes ALL my babies were fairly small so I > guess Dr. White was right! lol Jade and Casey were about 6.5lbs each and > Lauren and Robert were 5.5lbs each. Jade now weighs 220lbs and is 1/2" > shorter than me, so don't ANYONE tell me smoking stunts your growth!! lol > > "Green potatoes do not cause such harm. That's another of those old wives > ENGLISH tales.... (now I'm running for the hills.)" > > Come to run with me have you Mary? The race is on!! lol Now I did some > research on this back in Germany because they ONLY had green potatoes at > the CX and it really peed me off! :( The quickest information I can find > today is that potatoes turn green because of solanine which IS toxic, if > eaten in large amounts. The site I just found also said you can just cut > the green off, but I've read differently on two other sites when we were > in Germany, both American sites from memory. Anyway, according to the > Mayo Clinic, they're "probably okay to eat". Don't you love their > decisiveness on this one, from of all places the Mayo Clinic?!? ;D > > I play it safe anyway; if it's green I simply don't buy it anymore. > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Wow...more than enough info, Rob. Very interesting, too. Thanks! Marilyn (one N) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Oriigin of song > "I thought this song referred to the plague...or the Black Death...or > some other horrible epidemic where they burned the bodies...ashes, > ashes..." > > But it's of ENGLISH origin Marilynn, and the original words were "Atishoo" > because sneezing was also a symptom!! ;D > > "The words to the Ring around the rosy children's ring game have their > origin in English history . The historical period dates back to the Great > Plague of London in 1665 (bubonic plague) or even before when the first > outbreak of the Plague hit England in the 1300's. The symptoms of the > plague included a rosy red rash in the shape of a ring on the skin (Ring > around the rosy). Pockets and pouches were filled with sweet smelling > herbs ( or posies) which were carried due to the belief that the disease > was transmitted by bad smells. The term "Ashes Ashes" refers to the > cremation of the dead bodies! The death rate was over 60% and the plague > was only halted by the Great Fire of London in 1666 which killed the rats > which carried the disease which was transmitting via water sources. The > English version of "Ring around the rosy" replaces Ashes with (A-tishoo, > A-tishoo) as violent sneezing was another symptom of the disease. We > recommend the following site for comprehensive informatio! > n regarding the Bubonic Plague. > http://www.william-shakespeare.info/bubonic-black-plague-elizabethan-era.htm > > Views of the Sceptics > The connection between this Rhyme was made by James Leasor in 1961 in his > non-fiction book ' The Plague and the Fire'. Some people are sceptical of > the plague interpretations of this rhyme, many stating that words in the > rhyme cannot be found in Middle English. The sceptics must be referring to > the later version of the rhyme, possibly with American origins, the > English version is "Ring a ring o' rosies" using the Middle English "o" as > a shortening of the word "of". The written word " posies" is first > mentioned in a poem called 'Prothalamion or A Spousal Verse' by Edmund > Spenser (1552-1599). We believe that this addresses the views of the > sceptics." > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I SAID I knew the origin of that song. I know the Brits started it. They started a lot of stuff, much of which we could do without. I know the origin of "Little Jack Horner" and a lot of other Nursey Rhymes also. My mother was determined to make an orator out of me. All she did was make my big mouth bigger. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] Oriigin of song > "I thought this song referred to the plague...or the Black Death...or > some other horrible epidemic where they burned the bodies...ashes, > ashes..." > > But it's of ENGLISH origin Marilynn, and the original words were "Atishoo" > because sneezing was also a symptom!! ;D > > "The words to the Ring around the rosy children's ring game have their > origin in English history . The historical period dates back to the Great > Plague of London in 1665 (bubonic plague) or even before when the first > outbreak of the Plague hit England in the 1300's. The symptoms of the > plague included a rosy red rash in the shape of a ring on the skin (Ring > around the rosy). Pockets and pouches were filled with sweet smelling > herbs ( or posies) which were carried due to the belief that the disease > was transmitted by bad smells. The term "Ashes Ashes" refers to the > cremation of the dead bodies! The death rate was over 60% and the plague > was only halted by the Great Fire of London in 1666 which killed the rats > which carried the disease which was transmitting via water sources. The > English version of "Ring around the rosy" replaces Ashes with (A-tishoo, > A-tishoo) as violent sneezing was another symptom of the disease. We > recommend the following site for comprehensive informatio! > n regarding the Bubonic Plague. > http://www.william-shakespeare.info/bubonic-black-plague-elizabethan-era.htm > > Views of the Sceptics > The connection between this Rhyme was made by James Leasor in 1961 in his > non-fiction book ' The Plague and the Fire'. Some people are sceptical of > the plague interpretations of this rhyme, many stating that words in the > rhyme cannot be found in Middle English. The sceptics must be referring to > the later version of the rhyme, possibly with American origins, the > English version is "Ring a ring o' rosies" using the Middle English "o" as > a shortening of the word "of". The written word " posies" is first > mentioned in a poem called 'Prothalamion or A Spousal Verse' by Edmund > Spenser (1552-1599). We believe that this addresses the views of the > sceptics." > > Take care, > > Rob. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

"Also, are any of you in your little chat group (emails) here black? I was told there were so many black Armstrongs, especially from the south....is this true?" Hi Renee :) Let's see ... I'm an Armstrong descendant (yes, I know, only by adoption, sigh!!), I'm in the south (okay, it's temporary, humour me!!) but I'm as white as the ... what WOULD I put in there? Snow? Yeah, that'll do, I glow in the dark! lol But MY Armstrongs hail from Northumberland and Durham, haven't managed to get back any further than that I'm afraid. Anyway, I haven't met a single Armstrong since we've been in GA, so they must be in hiding, black OR white!! ;D Take care, Rob.

"What does it all mean"? I know, do you?" Hi George :) I do, yes, and I think I just posted the whole interpretation, didn't I? Darn, that'll teach me to find, copy/paste and not read ALL of it, won't it? lol My brain's a muddle, I've been denied my caffeine and nicotine all morning to have an EKG done and I'm showing withdrawal signs of both. Time for a hot cuppa I think, and you can't get more English than that!! ;D Take care, Rob. (Who really IS Australian, honest, but I'm a Royalist, just love the Queen!! lol)

"Stillbirth happens to women with diabetes, diagnosed, or undiagnosed, as well as to those who smoke." Mary, Mary, Mary, don't tell me you're one of THOSE?!?!? lol I have yet to meet a doctor who doesn't blame every single "itty bitty thing" I might complain of on my diabetes. Give me a break, diabetes does NOT cause have the things I've had over the years!!!!!!!!! I swear I could do a better job of doctoring diabetics than any who've treated me!! ;D As for smoking, I asked my general practitioner about that when I was pregnant with Jade. He said "Well, you're a diabetic, so you're bound to have big babies. But you smoke, which means the baby will be fairly small. That should work out about even!!" ROTFLMBO LOVED that doctor!! ;D For the record, despite my diabetes ALL my babies were fairly small so I guess Dr. White was right! lol Jade and Casey were about 6.5lbs each and Lauren and Robert were 5.5lbs each. Jade now weighs 220lbs and is 1/2" shorter than me, so don't ANYONE tell me smoking stunts your growth!! lol "Green potatoes do not cause such harm. That's another of those old wives ENGLISH tales.... (now I'm running for the hills.)" Come to run with me have you Mary? The race is on!! lol Now I did some research on this back in Germany because they ONLY had green potatoes at the CX and it really peed me off! :( The quickest information I can find today is that potatoes turn green because of solanine which IS toxic, if eaten in large amounts. The site I just found also said you can just cut the green off, but I've read differently on two other sites when we were in Germany, both American sites from memory. Anyway, according to the Mayo Clinic, they're "probably okay to eat". Don't you love their decisiveness on this one, from of all places the Mayo Clinic?!? ;D I play it safe anyway; if it's green I simply don't buy it anymore. Take care, Rob.

"I thought this song referred to the plague...or the Black Death...or some other horrible epidemic where they burned the bodies...ashes, ashes..." But it's of ENGLISH origin Marilynn, and the original words were "Atishoo" because sneezing was also a symptom!! ;D "The words to the Ring around the rosy children's ring game have their origin in English history . The historical period dates back to the Great Plague of London in 1665 (bubonic plague) or even before when the first outbreak of the Plague hit England in the 1300's. The symptoms of the plague included a rosy red rash in the shape of a ring on the skin (Ring around the rosy). Pockets and pouches were filled with sweet smelling herbs ( or posies) which were carried due to the belief that the disease was transmitted by bad smells. The term "Ashes Ashes" refers to the cremation of the dead bodies! The death rate was over 60% and the plague was only halted by the Great Fire of London in 1666 which killed the rats which carried the disease which was transmitting via water sources. The English version of "Ring around the rosy" replaces Ashes with (A-tishoo, A-tishoo) as violent sneezing was another symptom of the disease. We recommend the following site for comprehensive information regarding the Bubonic Plague. http://www.william-shakespeare.info/bubonic-black-plague-elizabethan-era.htm Views of the Sceptics The connection between this Rhyme was made by James Leasor in 1961 in his non-fiction book ' The Plague and the Fire'. Some people are sceptical of the plague interpretations of this rhyme, many stating that words in the rhyme cannot be found in Middle English. The sceptics must be referring to the later version of the rhyme, possibly with American origins, the English version is "Ring a ring o' rosies" using the Middle English "o" as a shortening of the word "of". The written word " posies" is first mentioned in a poem called 'Prothalamion or A Spousal Verse' by Edmund Spenser (1552-1599). We believe that this addresses the views of the sceptics." Take care, Rob.

Raw Hamburger used to be served in restaurants as "Steak Diane." No, I never ordered any. I guess raw Hamburger used to be safe, like raw eggs. I now buy only pasteurized eggs. I think "Steak Tartar" was the same thing. I honestly can't see the drawing power of these delicacies. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Hobbs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne OT > My grandmother not only ate raw potatos, she ate raw hamburger ! She was > not on the Armstrong side. LOL > > >>From: "Robyn Leeds" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne OT >>Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:14:16 -0400 >> >>"Always handing me a piece of raw potato and wondering why I spit it out." >> >>The humble potato CAN make you very sick actually. If you eat a green >>one, >>it's toxic, and can make you sick. If you're pregnant, stay well away >>from >>potatoes with even a HINT of green, it was said to cause spina bifida in >>unborn babies of pregnant mothers who ate green potatoes!!! Peter, my >>obstetrician when I had my first son, said many moons ago it would've been >>given as the cause of my first son's spina bifida but "these days we just >>don't have green potatoes". We don't? HA!! I ate them, just sliced off >>the green bits thinking they were okay. Nope!! My first son was >>stillborn, so stay away from green potatoes folks!!!!!!! >> >>We used to use raw potatoes to make "stamps" with, did you ever do that >>Marilynn? That was fun, carving "stuff" onto a sliced potato, dipping it >>in paint and printing it on paper. I'm suddenly feeling very old with >>these old memories!! lol >> >>Take care, >> >>Rob. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Patti: I ordered Spaghetti in Ireland. It had potatoes in the sauce. Marilynn IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Armstrong" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [ARMSTRONG] To Ben Barr, brother of Rosanne >I

The email address I have for Ron Barnett is: [email protected] I should be interested in the information that you have, David. Incidentally, a couple of years ago there was some correspondence in the Armstrong lists - it should still be there - on the Sir Thomas Armstrong who was executed in 1687. I put up a rather gothic acount of his execution at Tyburn Place drawn froma Victorian book of horrors. He was hung, drawn and quartered. Not all that long afterwards he was pardoned, not that it did him much good, and his chief accuser expelled from Parliament. This being pardon allowed his widow and daughter to reclaim considerable property, cash and annuities that had been confiscated by the State upon his being convicted for treason - the cause of this being his part in the Rye House Plot. Sean A