This is a message I sent to the Ozark co, Mo mailing list, and since it also applies to ARMARION people, I am sending it to see if anyone on this list has related information. I know you are all probably getting tired of me harping on this. Thanks for your patience. Thanks to the three of you who responded to my query about the Lantz family reunion. I have been looking through my conglomeration of Lantz/Lance material that I have collected. The Hardy M. Lance seems to me to be the son of Henry and Zelphy listed on the 1850 census of Cannon Co, TN with the following children: Charles B. 15, Minerva Jane 16, Thomas C 14, Wm. H. 12, and H. M. B. 10. I don't see them on my 1860 census families, but in 1870 there lived in Rapps Barrons, Marion Co, AR these heads of households: Hardy M, Charles, and Zelpha (female age 60). I'm not sure this is all of them. Also, there were many Lance families living in Cannon Co, TN in the time period of 1850, etc. I have wondered if Henry and Zelphy might have had an older son named Nicholas Washington that had left home by 1850 and who married my Jensee/Jane McCracken. As for the Moses Lantz/Lance family, on the IGI on www.familysearch.org their children are listed like this, although this is a combination of two entries for them: Children of Moses LANTZ and Jerusha GRAHAM were as follows: Vandle Jefferson LANTZ , , born 13 Jul 1827 in (of) Ozark Co, Missouri. George Washington LANTZ , , born 1829 Of Ozark Co, Missouri. Marinda LANTZ , , born 1 Apr 1831 in , , Arkansas. Paten LANTZ , , , born 1832 in (of) Ozark Co, Missouri. Susanna LANTZ , , , born 7 Oct 1835 in , , Arkansas. Lusanna LANTZ , , born 1836 Of Ozark Co, Missouri. Elizabeth LANTZ , , , , born 1837 Of Ozark Co., Missouri. Marion LANTZ , , born 7 Oct 1840 in (of) Ozark Co, Missouri. Lucinda LANTZ , , , , born 23 Dec 1842 in New Jersey. James K. P. LANTZ , , , , born 1844 Of Ozarks Co, Missouri. Jessie LANTZ , , born 28 Aug 1848 in New Jersey. Malinda LANTZ , , , , born 1849 Of Ozarks Co The 1870 census also lists with this family three other female children, Sintha age ?, Susanah Mae age ?, and Mary F. age 3. Well, anyway, I have been wondering about a couple things. One, this Vandle Jefferson Lantz, is he the same person as the Vandle Lantz of Marion Co, AR? I don't think he could be because he is on the 1850 census of Marion Co, age 42, and at the same time on the 1850 census of Ozark Co, MO listed with Moses Lantz,, and there he is 22. This makes me believe there must be a connection between these two families, since it is such an unusual name. Another thing, do you know about the later history of Moses' son Vandle Jefferson? I am wondering if he might be my ancestor. In 1856 he sold land to Henry A. Bratton in Ozark Co, and in 1858 he bought land from Benjamin Turley. On 10 Jul 1858 he md Sarah Hogan in Ozark Co. My ancestress Mary Susan Lantz/Lance was born in 1854 in Mo, so I was wondering if he might have married Jane McCracken about 1853, fathered Mary Susan, and then lost Jane shortly after. Then in 1858 md. again. Just thinking. Oh, I think I have seen him in probate records in the 1860s. Perhaps he was killed in the Civil War. Perhaps someone knows some things about these people that will shed some light. I am still casting my thoughts about for ideas. Once again, thanks for all your help. Oh, my husband and I are a tiny bit thinking about the reunion even if we can't establish a relationship. The Hootin and Hollerin Festival sounds like fun, too. But it is a long way to go from Oregon. Patricia Gausnell P.S. One other thing. On the Marion co, AR tax records for 1841-1866, there is a person listed named Lard, N.W. for the years 1853 and 1855. Does anyone know of him? I have wondered if it might have been a misinterpretation of Lance, N.W. This is the only place I have seen those initials evern remotely close to Nicholas Washington Lance, and these are the years he would have been married to my Jane McCracken.