Oh, yes, Darren. I've heard several variations on the story of Zim Ott's gun. Heard it first from Don Ott. What's the tale your family tells? I've had nearly 40 years of digging fun tracking down my family. As with you - nary a horse thief. The real "fun" began when I went back across the ocean and got hints of connections to some gentry types. Good Grief, Charlie Brown!! What an explosion of ancestors that created!!! Still have a couple of loose ends in this country that I doubt will ever be solved (ostensibly one was "spirited away" by the Masons after a sort of Masonic war which included at least one murder) 'cuz the records have been either lost or erased or locked away in some of those dungeons untouched by the FIA <sigh> Even so, I've thoroughly enjoyed these decades of research, learning lots about history, sociology, politics, etal, and sure wouldn't want to have to trade them for some "canned" family tree laid out all nice and neat and clean - and boring. Mysty [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Hellwege To: Mysty McPherson Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [ARMar] John Stacy Roberts All true, but at the same time if I could go online, click on "Darrensfamily.com" and find everything about everybody, it wouldn't be as much fun. My grandfather Binum Roberts from Bellefont, his great-grandfather was in the War and I've had a good time digging up information on the Mississippi 34th and his brigade, and I'm starting to work on studying the Rock Island Prison where he was held after being wounded at Perryville. At the same time, I'm running down some of my dad's family in places like Buetzfleth Germany. My grandmother Hellwege is still alive and seems genuinely flattered that I'm interested in her family, in Wents and Schlossers and Koesers and Hellweges (everyone reading this message out loud just spit all over their monitor) and has helped me put a human face on all this. I can, with a little imagination, do the same thing with these other folks, have feelings for a guy who lived 150 years before I was born but was still "kin." My mom was closer to 2nd an! d 3rd . And I've still not found any horse thiefs...but I wonder if the folks on this list know about Zim Ott? Don, does that name ring a bell? Do you know about Zim Ott's gun? I'd hate to tell a tale that's been spun here before of a shared relative of Don's and mine. I also found a few things on the Patterson line we're playing with here, but I'm still tying loose ends together before I splatter it all over this list. Darren Mysty McPherson <[email protected]> wrote: Often the military records from the CW aren't as complete as we'd like them to be <groan>. Pretty sure we found the data about Robert Fulton Patterson in "Arkansas Pension Applications" by Desmond Walls Allen. Of course, living in AR, RFP would have had to apply for a pension in AR even tho' his service was in a different state. Don['t have that particular book here at home, but will check it next time I get to the library. The record you found for James W Patterson as a 2nd LT *might* be the only one surviving and *might* be before he was made captain. However, it could also be for a totally different JWP. Ah, well. Confusion reigns - and we all get wet <g> The only alternative I can suggest is to go to the NARA site (National Archives) and request copies of *all* the papers in the file for JWP. It's pretty expensive - but well worth it if it's the right fellow. Just found out that Levicy Lucinda Roberts was the daughter of Robert Gaines & Mary "Molly" (DeWeese) Roberts. Also found out that her father died in NC in 1840 and JWP was appointed guardian of his minor children - including Levicy. And her grandparents were Robert & Nancy (Cody) Roberts. All in Buncombe Co NC too. For more information on the Roberts and DeWeese lines, you might contact Jeanne Dark [email protected] She sent me this information. Oh, and you might try the Buncombe Co NC web page for Civil War data. Mysty [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren Hellwege To: Mysty McPherson Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [ARMar] John Stacy Roberts Well, now it's gettin' weird. Not only have I struck out finding James W.'s war record (I think I remember him being called "Capt" at one point, and the James W. Pattersons I found in North Carolina were a 2nd Lt. and a Private) but now I look over this again, and upon checking a Muster Roll online can't find R.F.P. in the 66th. Darren Mysty McPherson <[email protected]> wrote: Here are a few tidbits for you, Darren, from "Genealogies of Marion Co Families 1811-1900" by Mysty McPherson & Vicki Roberts, pub 1997. It's a great source for Marion Co research - might be something you could use since you're descended from several of old families. There's more info about it on the Marion Co web page http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion. Robert Fulton Patterson Sr (son of James W & Levicy Lucinda [Roberts] Patterson) b Yancy Co NC 20 June 1848 d MCAR 2 March 1923 bu Layton Cemetery m/1 AR 15 Jan 1871 Huldah Minerva Willis (daughter of Jim & Mary [Fenny] Willis) b NC Oct 1849 d MCAR 21 Feb 1888 bu Jefferson Hall Cemetery; m/2 MCAR 4 Oct 1888 Mary Jane Rea b 4 Sep 1854 d 28 June 1930 bu Layton Cemetery. He enlisted in the Confederate army aged 16 in NC; served in Co E, 66th NC Infantry; applied for a pension 1917; Mary applied 1923. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

Since y'all have heard this one before, I'll do the Readers Digest Version.Zim Ott had him a wife. Said wife was playing footsie with another man. Zim Ott had him a gun. Zim Ott took said gun and sent said other man to his maker. In spite of the fact that this was perfectly legal at the time, legend as I understand it holds that Zim split town pretty quick and laid low for some time.The rifle supposedly used in this shooting is held, I believe, by Burl Ott over in Marshall. Darren Mysty McPherson <[email protected]> wrote:Oh, yes, Darren. I've heard several variations on the story of Zim Ott's gun. Heard it first from Don Ott. What's the tale your family tells? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.