Carolyn, several of us in the Historic Genealogical Society of MCAR have done some pretty extensive research on the many Cooper families enumerated in the various census records to see which ones fit into family groups and which ones don't. We've also delved into the (after 1873) Baxter Co AR records, Searcy Co, etc. To the best of our knowledge, these two Coopers, John and Philip, could be brothers, but it seems unlikely. Philip and his family arrived in AR by 1853, were in Union Township in the 1860 census, and are no longer in MCAR in 1870. John and his family arrived in AR by ca 1853 or ca 1856, settled first in either Union or Hampton Township, moving either from or to Union Township in 1860 (you'll find them in both townships in 1860 - honest!). One of their children is found married in Baxter Co in 1880, some of the rest are married and in Hampton or Tomahawk Townships in 1880. Daughter Melissa died in 1894 and is buried in Bruno Cemetery in Hampton Township - apparently unmarried. If John and Philip were brothers, they were obviously close enough to move to MCAR together, but not close enough to stay here together for very long. MCAR records are really, really hard to come by before Aug 1887. The courthouse burned 2 or 3 or 4 times during the Civil War. It burned again - to the ground - in Aug 1887 and *all* records were burned at that time. A few deeds were re-recorded, but that's about it. Don't know whether this helps or hinders your research. Sorry we couldn't come up with anything more concrete for you. If anyone else on this list has more information on either of these families, we'd sure be pleased if they'd share with us as well as with you. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Bowers <bowersc@fastdata.net> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:45 PM Subject: Philip and John Cooper > In the 1860 census of Marion County, Union Twp., there was was a Philip Cooper (age 27) and his wife, Margaret, and family. Also in Marion County, Union Twp was a John Cooper (age 33), his wife, Martha, and their family. Can someone confirm (or otherwise) that Philip and John were brothers--both sons of Thomas and Jane Cooper of Cannon County, TN in 1850. > > Does someone know what happened to Philip and John? > > Thanks > > Carolyn Bowers bowersc@fastdata.net > >

In the 1860 census of Marion County, Union Twp., there was was a Philip Cooper (age 27) and his wife, Margaret, and family. Also in Marion County, Union Twp was a John Cooper (age 33), his wife, Martha, and their family. Can someone confirm (or otherwise) that Philip and John were brothers--both sons of Thomas and Jane Cooper of Cannon County, TN in 1850. Does someone know what happened to Philip and John? Thanks Carolyn Bowers bowersc@fastdata.net

Hi Mysty, Yes, he ended up in Carroll Co. where the family was ennumerated on the 1850 & 1860 census, and one of the springs in downtown Harrison is named Stiffler Springs after him. But as far as the 1842 Marion Co. tax reference, I have checked myself & found nothing, so thought maybe it was a case of looking so hard you see nothing. Thanks for the look-up, I think maybe the previous researcher didn't keep real good notes on dates/places, etc.. ~gina~ Visit my homepage at http://hometown.aol.com/ginaburningsky/myhomepage/business.html

Thanks for the lookup. I had searched the microfilms and found nothing. Was beginning to wonder if my eyeballs weren't working. ~gina~ Visit my homepage at http://hometown.aol.com/ginaburningsky/myhomepage/business.html

Misty - I'm getting duplicates of each entry. ~gina~ Visit my homepage at http://hometown.aol.com/ginaburningsky/myhomepage/business.html

My g-g-g-grandfather was John Bardell Stiffler, who trapped in and around the Marion/Carroll Co. areas in the late 1830's - early 1840's. An early Stiffler researcher wrote once that she had found where John paid taxes in 1842 in Marion Co.. Is there an index for this year for tax records, and if so, would anyone be willing to look up John's tax info & send me a copy? I would appreciate it so much. ~gina thomas patterson~ Visit my homepage at http://hometown.aol.com/ginaburningsky/myhomepage/business.html

My g-g-grandparents - Frederick William & Naoma (Neoma Manus) Carsten resided in Bruno, Marion Co., for several years between 1880 & 1895. While they lived in the area, their daughter Sarah Anna Carsten died in June 1882 as a teenager, and daughter Mary Carsten died as a 4 yr old in December 1880. Has anyone seen a gravestone for either of these girls? Also, are there any available directories, etc. that will help me place more accurately the dates of arrival & departure in Marion Co. of my Carsten family? ~gina thomas patterson~ Visit my homepage at http://hometown.aol.com/ginaburningsky/myhomepage/business.html

Every year gets better and better, Linda <g> Really gets me into the proper mood - especially music like "Little Drummer Boy." It's one of my all time favorites. You're to be commended on your truly wonderful Christmas Spirit. Thanks for sharing it with all of us. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Webpage updated > Happy Holidays - drop by the Marion Site and see what's new <g> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > >

Happy Holidays - drop by the Marion Site and see what's new <g> http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl

Don't remember if this is the list where someone needed info on the Yeller Rag Boys. I have info I can snail mail, need whoever needed the info to re-Email me. ~gina thomas patterson~ Visit my homepage at http://hometown.aol.com/ginaburningsky/myhomepage/business.html

Mysty, I have done quite a bit of work on the McEntire family from Marion County. The home that Dr. Elam and Rachel lived in had at one time belonged to the Champion McEntire. I was just trying to see if I could find any Elam's that may have old photos of the McEntire's. Thank you Judy

Judy, you can find info on Dr George Francis Elam on the 1870, 1880, and *reconstructed* 1890 MCAR census in Hampton Township. And there's quite a bit of strictly geneo data on him and the Elam and the McEntire families in "Genealogies of MCAR Families 1811-1900" published by the Historic Genealogical Society of MCAR in 1997. There's more info on this book on the MCAR web page http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion. George Francis Elam is the son of William Thompson & Cornelia (Royston) Elam. He was b in Cleveland Co NC. He m/1 Rachel Dulcina McEntire who is the daughter of Champion & Sarah B (Waters) McEntire. She was b NC too. He m/2 Ellen Copeland who is the daughter of Francis Marion & Elizabeth Jane (___) Copeland. She was b in MCAR. He and Rachel had 3 children. He and Ellen had 8 children. Hope this is useful to you. If I can help further, let me know. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy VanZant <rlvjkv@aol.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 7:16 PM Subject: Elam/McEntire > Posted on: Marion Co. Ar Queries > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ar/Marion/41 > > Surname: Elam, McEntire > ------------------------- > > Annette, I am rying to find and relatives of Dr George Elam. Do you show > anything on him? He married Racheal McEntire. Thank you >

Posted on: Marion Co. Ar Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ar/Marion/41 Surname: Elam, McEntire ------------------------- Annette, I am rying to find and relatives of Dr George Elam. Do you show anything on him? He married Racheal McEntire. Thank you

Hi All, To anyone interested in Casebolt history. I just received my copy of the attached book today. He only has 4 copies left if you are interested in purchasing a copy. If you want me to look anyone up, let me know. There were quite a few Casebolt's in the Marion Co area of AR. Celeste The Only Casebolt Family History Over 30 years in the making, this work - inspired by Grace Casebolt of Hutchinson, Kansas, researched and written by her nephew, Dick Kraus - has at long-last been published. This first volume, in over 150 pages, explores the old country origins of the Casebolt family and details the first two generations in the USA, including their children. Ten maps are provided. All Casebolts so far found in the US are descended from the people who are the focus of this work. Therefore, any person interested in the Casebolt family’s roots will be delighted to have this fully indexed, well-researched book. It is 6” by 9”, handsomely bound (hard cover) in red buckram, and is printed on long-lasting acid-free paper. The author, Dr. Richard A. Kraus (Harvard Ph.D.) is presently a college president and is son of Walter and Wanda (Casebolt) Kraus of Arlington, Kansas. If you are a Casebolt, or descended from one, he is your cousin or closer relation. The price is $24.95 plus postage and handling. An excellent present! Please use the enclosed order form and allow three weeks for shipment. What Casebolts are saying coast to coast: “I was extremely pleased, impressed and grateful to receive the two copies of the book. The research and detail are a remarkable piece of work, and all Casebolt kin should be proud to have it. I am grateful …” Cliff Casebolt, Olympia, Washington. “I received your book and I find it to be Great! “ James E. Casebolt, Jr. Nitro, West Virginia. Two hundred copies were printed. Orders will be filled on a first-come, first-served basis. ORDER FORM To: Richard A. Kraus 12 Clamshell Cove Road Cotuit, MA 02635-3432 Please send me ___ copies of CASEBOLT - An American Family. ___ copies at $24.95 each = $ _________ plus handling and postage: 1 copy is $5.05 2 copies are $9.05 = $ _________ 3 copies are $12.05 4 copies are $14.05 Total Payment: = $ _________ Enclosed please find my personal check in full payment thereof, signed ____________________________ your signature (please print or type the address to which the book(s) are to be sent) Please mail to: Name: ____________________________________ Street Address: ____________________________________ City, State, Zip: ____________________________________ Phone: (_____)______________________________ Please feel free to copy and send this order form to other people who might be interested in the book. Thanks. Dick Kraus Free Personal Service! If you can provide at least the names of your mother, father, grandfather and grandmother on the Casebolt side of your family, Dick Kraus will personally note in the frontispiece of your book your complete Casebolt ancestry back to the original immigrant! My Casebolt Line: Names: Last, First Middle Birth date Birthplace my father: ___________________________________ __________ ____________ my mother: ___________________________________ __________ ____________ grandfather: ___________________________________ __________ ____________ grandmother: ___________________________________ __________ ____________ great grandfather: _________________________________ __________ ____________ great grandmother: ________________________________ __________ ____________ This form is for (name of recipient): _________________ birth date: _________________ birthplace: _________________

To the best of my knowledge, Ann, there are no books covering specifically either the Bearden or the Hogan families. I know the genealogical society doesn't have any and has not heard that any exist. Sure wish there were <sigh> There are many MCAR books available that contain data on these families, though, and they're very helpful in research efforts. I'm afraid no one on this list can be of much help, Ann, without more information. In order to identify your grandparents and great-grandparents, it's almost imperative that a researcher have as much of the following as you can provide. 1. Full names - first, middle, last, maiden. 2. Dates - When born/married/died - specific ones if possible - at least a time frame. 3. Places - where born/married/died - any sort of geographical clue. 4. Siblings + above data on them. If you will share as much of this sort of information as you can, I'm sure Marion Co researchers will help if at all possible. For your information: Birth and death records are maintained on the state level in Arkansas. However, these weren't required until Feb 1914. If you have the exact date and place of either a birth or a death, you can request the records from Division of Vital Records Arkansas Department of Health 4815 Markham Street Little Rock AR 72201 Marriage records are maintained at the county level in Arkansas. They are held at the county courthouse for the specific county. It may be helpful for you to know that I find no marriage record in Marion Co between 1887 and 1917 for a Bearden to a Hogan. It might also be helpful to know that there have been Beardens, Hogans, and Barnetts in at least Searcy Co and Baxter Co. too. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com "Genealogy without documentation is mythology"

Ann I am not aware of any but I'm forwarding your message to the Marion Co list. If anyone will know the folks on the list will. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving Folks please reply to Ann: DANND2000@aol.com Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: <DANND2000@aol.com> To: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: Hogan-Bearden > Hi, > Can you tell me if there are any books about the Hogans or Beardens of > Marion Co.? There are so many of them in the cemeteries, surely there is some > information somewhere. My grandmothers maiden name was Bearden and she > married a Hogan. > I cannot get a birth certificate on her or find her parents, who I think were > Barnetts,anywhere. Any information sure would be appreciated. > Thanks > Ann Davis > P.O. Box 87 > Calumet, > OK 73014 >

Follow up email from Gordon Pace. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Siriuspace@aol.com> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <predmore@intcon.net> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:37 AM Subject: William Carroll Pace of Marion Co, AR > On Nov 11 Julie Predmore sent me a message re William Carroll Pace which I > forwarded to the Pace mail list. Here are my comments concerning his > ancestry. > William Carroll Pace was b. 1827 in Rutherford Co, TN and d. aft. 1869 in > Bull Shoals, Marion Co, AR. He married Mary Emalina McCracken on 2/19/1847 > in Rutherford Co. I believe William is a grandson of William Pace, Jr., who > is a son of William Pace, Sr. and Ruth Lambert. > William Pace, Jr. was b. 1771 in Edgecombe Co, NC and died aft. 1863 in > Marion Co, AR. He married Isabella Falkenberry. > The problem with this scenario is that I don't know for sure who the father > of William Carroll Pace was. I have not been able to find a record of the > children of William Pace, Jr. I have an abstract of the 1810 census of > Rutherford Co, TN which lists five Pace families. I believe these are > William Pace, Sr. and his sons James, John, Wilson and William, Jr. But my > abstract does not include the detail about children and age ranges. Does > anyone have this? > Earl Berry in "History of Marion Co" said that William Carroll Pace MIGHT be > the son of Bartley Pace who was a son of a William Pace, Jr., b. 1771 in NC. > Julie expressed the opinion that, since Mr. Berry used the word "might" that > this statement can be disregarded. I don't agree - it would be very helpful > to know what Mr. Berry actually knew about this Bartley Pace. At any rate I > have not found any reference to this Bartley Pace in the limited documents I > have searched. > At this point I have not been able to determine who the sons were of William > Pace, Jr. and Isabella Falkenberry, other than the possibility of Bartley. I > am hoping that someone on this list has some information on this. > William Carroll Pace and his wife Mary are on the 1850 census of Rutherford > Co, TN.(McCrackin District) (the name is shown as Carol W. as he was often > referred to as Carroll or Carl). > Living nearby is William Pace and Isabella, ages 77 and 76 who I believe to > be his grandparents. Also living nearby is a James Pace age 34 and wife Mary > with children Margaret 9, Mary M. 6, and Elizabeth 2. This is probably a son > of William Pace, Jr., or perhaps a brother of William Carroll Pace. > Someone suggested that William Carroll Pace was a son of William, Jr. but > this would mean that he was born when his mother, Isabella, was 53, which > seems very unlikely. > As to the John Pace who m. Sarah McCracken he was a son of John Pace and > Sarah Anderson. The elder John Pace was a brother of William Pace, Jr. > My information on the McCracken ancestry came from Jane McEndree > (janemc@airmail.net) and Joy Shaw (gommie@swbell.net) They are on the > McCracken mail list. > Finally the Brittan Pace who is found in deeds with William Carroll Pace and > other relatives may be the Brittain Pace who was a son of William Pace, Sr. > and Ruth Lambert - although it is also possible that he was a grandson of > William Pace, Sr. since he was not mentioned in his will. > So, can anyone help clear up this mystery? > Gordon W. Pace >

On finding the Father of William Carroll Pace. Here is my request. In a few minutes I'll post a follow up from Gordon Pace. I just wanted to see if you guys had any suggestions or anything to add. We are pretty certain that William Carroll Pace is the GRANDSON of William Pace, JR and Ruth Lambert Pace. We have no proof of who his Father was. Julie. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Siriuspace@aol.com> To: <PACE-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <predmore@intcon.net> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: Need help from experts on Rutherford Co, TN Paces > The following important message was sent to me by Julie Predmore who is not a > member of this mail list. When you respond to her please also post a copy to > the PACE-L mail list. > Gordon W. Pace > > Subj: Need help from the experts on the Rutherford County, TN Paces > Date: 11/10/2000 5:33:42 PM Pacific Standard Time > From: predmore@intcon.net (Julie Predmore) > To: PACE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > I am looking for help from the experts here. I am NOT a member of this > Digest. So please copy my email addy Predmore@intcon.net on any responses. > Thank you!!!! > > I am a descendant from William Carrol Pace and Mary Emily McCracken. There > were long time Marion County, AR residents and William Carroll Pace was a > Captain in the Civil War. > > ************************************** > For a long time, I was going down the wrong path because of a faulty source. > "Marion County Families 1811-1900" says that Bartley Pace is William Carroll > Pace's Father and that William Pace is his grandfather. But this is wrong. I > am 99% sure of it. Here's why. > > The source for Bartley Pace is a line from History of Marion County by Earl > Berry which says that William Carroll Pace's father MIGHT be Bartley Pace. > That's literally what it says. > > Those working on the book, also made another incorrect assumption that I > made. > > That the William Pace on the Marion County 1860 listed below was William > Carroll Pace's grandfather. The truth is that the William Pace in the King > household was William Pace KING father of John King and son of John and > Hannah King. I owe this tidbit to the research of Susie Henderson, our KING > family expert. > > But that brings another interesting clue. Where did William Pace KING get > the Pace in his middle name. Another cousin perhaps??? > > Here's > what the MCAR 1860 for Jimmies Creek Township says: > > William C. Pace 33 TN (867) > Mary E [McCracken] 33 TN > Elizabeth C 10 TN > Margaret J 9 AR > William J 5 AR > John L 3 AR Amy A 1 AR > > John King 36 TN (868) > William P 14 TN > Margaret J 12 TN > Margaret F 6 AR > William Pace 89 NC > > *************************************** > > Now, John Pace married Sarah McCracken. Sarah and Emily McCracken are > sisters. It would be an ASSUMPTION that John Pace and William Carroll Pace > are probably brothers...at the least cousins. > > ***************************************** > William Carroll Pace's oldest son is named Lambert...and the name Lambert > continues on down through my Pace line. > > **************************************** > Here are some deeds sent to me by Bob Pace > > Info via Bob Pace > In my May 5 message I mentioned some deeds in Rutherford County, TN in > which William Carroll is involved. These are courtesy of Bruce Howard, and > are as follows: > Deed Book 5, page 57, No. 89, Wm & John King to Carroll Pace. The > deed is for forty acres, more or less, on the East fork of Stones river, > from William King & John King to William Pace & William Carroll Pace, for > the sum of Eighty dollars, November 23, 1846. > Deed Book 4, page 711/712, No. 922, George Gannon & Wife to William > C. Pace. The deed is from George Gannon & Rebecca Gannon (formerly Rebecca > Pace) two tracts in district 19, the first tract estimated at thirty acres. > The second tract was adjacent to a tract originally owned by Brittan Pace. > The total deed is for 85 acres, and the price was $25. The deed is dated > November 29, 1847. > > The deeds suggest a relationship between William Pace and William Carroll > Pace. The William Pace could be the oldest son of William Pace-Ruth > Lambert. In another deed dated December 16, 1848, William Pace, Sr. deeds > a tract of land (two acres) in District 19 on the waters of Stones river to > Dollison Parker. In another deed Brittan Pace was deeded the land (thirty > acres) referenced in Deed Book 4 above by Jesse Joy for $200 on December 4, > 1824. Both deeds refer to the land as formerly owned by Samuel Hanse. > > This implies a relationship between John King, William (Pace) King, a > William Pace(Which one??) and William Carrol Pace. Also notice the names > Rebecca (Pace) Gannon and Brittan Pace. Are these siblings??? Also Dollison > Parker is a brother of John Garrison Parker...another of my direct > ancestors. > > ************************************* > This is a post from Gordon about John Pace, Jr who married Sarah McCracken. > I am supposing that this John Pace, Jr may be William Carroll Pace's brother > or cousin > > Your Lenny Pace, according to my records, is a direct descendant of the famo > us Richard Pace of Jamestown (ca. 1620). The lineage, beginning with the 4th > generation from Richard of Jamestown is: > 4. James Pace b. 1666 Charles City Co, Va m. Elizabeth Lowe, m. abt 1685. 4 > children. > 5. Richard Pace b abt 1690 d abt 1738, m. Sarah Woodliefe m. abt 1710. 4 > children. > 6. Richard Pace b abt 1713 Prince George Co, VA d abt 5/1769 Edgecombe Co, > NC, m. Elizabeth abt 1743. They had 7 children. > 7. William Pace Sr. b. abt 1745 Prince George Co, d. 1834 TN, m. Ruth > Lambert, m. abt 1770 in Franklin Co, NC, 11 children. > 8. John Pace b. 1782 Nash Co, NC d. abt 1814 in Rutherford Co, TN, m. Sarah > Anderson, m. 12/3/1805 in Clarke Co, GA. Sarah was b. in 1780 GA, children > were John, Jr., Ruth Lambert, Polly Ezekiel. John Sr. was killed in the War > of 1812. > 9. John Pace, Jr. b. 4/18/1812 Murfreesboro, Rutherford Co, TN, d. 4/7/1874 > in Ellis Co, TX, m. Sarah McCracken. Sarah was born 8/31/1813 in Rutherford > Co, TN. She was daughter of Joseph Richmond McCracken & Isabella Thompson > and granddaughter of John McCracken and Sarah Luck. Children of John and > Sarah were: John Lambert b. 1836, Julia Elizabeth b. 1838, Lenny b. 1839, > James T. b. 1843, Sarah E. b. 1845, William T. b. 2/1847 (birth years > estimated from census.) > You will note that John Pace, Jr. was son of John Pace, Sr, not James Pace. > James was the brother of John Sr. and married Mary Ann Loving, not Lambert. > I have not heard of Mary Ann Lambert. Also if there is any connection to > Ireland or Scotland it is on the maternal side. McCracken is certainly > either Irish or Scottish. Much of this information came from Randy Farrar, > farrar@airmail.net. Also Bruce Howard. > Gordon W. Pace > > > ******************************************************** > > Bruce, Gordon, Bob you guys who are so good at genealogy. Help me put all my > pieces together and prove William Carroll Pace's parentage!!! >

I saw this site on another list. Great basic information on Arkansas counties. It can maybe help some people new to genealogy. www.segenealogy.com/arkansas Brent

Steve & Melinda - if you are still on the list or if anyone has a good e-mail address for them. The e-mail address and the URL of their homepage has apparently changed and I'd like to correct them. Thanks! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl