Linda, you are so right! It costs money, manpower, and time to abstract records and place them in a form easy for researchers to use. We can't expect others to do our work for us without considering what it cost them. There is one other factor I don't think anyone has mentioned. When a site gives us access to primary records (vs. grandma-said-it kind of records), we all have a better chance of preparing a genealogy that is accurate and more likely actually to be our own ancestors. Oral history is wonderful as a starting point, but we can see its problems when we read the myriad of entries on genforum--many of which are presented as fact because people have been passing around, in some cases, the same wrong information so long that it has taken on a life of its own. Even on pay sites, like ancestry.com, we have to differentiate between queries/compiled family histories and primary source records. It is for the primary source records that I gladly pay their fees. Good disagreement doesn't mean we are putting anyone down, and all of us have had times when we couldn't afford the luxury of any kind of fees. Luckily, there are so many helpful people in genealogy that, almost always, someone will look up a few entries for someone in need. Best wishes for all in the new year! Pansylea > From: ARMARION-D-request@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:00:04 -0800 > To: ARMARION-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: ARMARION-D Digest V01 #12 > > > ARMARION-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 12 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: Pay to use sites ["Barbara Whisenant" <bwhiz@prodigy] > #2 Pierson ["Barbara Whisenant" <bwhiz@prodigy] > > Administrivia: > To UNSUBSCRIBE from ARMARION-L OR ARMARION-D, send a message: > to: > ARMARION-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARMARION-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains ONE word, in the body of the message: > > UNSUBSCRIBE > > No other text is necessary. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software requires one, just use UNSUBSCRIBE on > the subject line. Remember: The "-request" is only used > when you are asking the server to perform a command, in this > case the command is to UNSUBSCRIBE > > PLEASE, don't forget to UNSUBSCRIBE before you go > on vacation or change your e-mail carrier. > > Thanks, Rhio Gillis, listowner B) > > > > > > > ______________________________ > From: "Barbara Whisenant" <bwhiz@prodigy.net> > Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2001 8:58 PM > To: ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Pay to use sites > > I totally agree with you, Linda. BRAVO! [hear me clapping? :) ] > Barb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:07 AM > Subject: Pay to use sites > > >> I'd like to toss out my 2 cents worth on the "pay for view" sites. No >> actually I want to get on my "soap box". Feel free to hit the delete key > now >> if you wish. >> >> I've been a genealogist for many years, way before the web was in > existence >> and I can tell you that it was a time consuming, frustrating and very >> expensive hobby. I spent untold dollars getting copies of things and even >> more untold hours waiting for replies - some of which never came. The > yearly >> fees for places like Ancestry are trivial compared to the money I spent in >> the past. >> >> I don't know why so many people think that genealogy information should be >> free no matter what. Would any of us walk into McDonalds expecting to >> receive our food for free just because eating is required to stay alive? > Or >> do we expect our doctor to treat us for free? Or our accountant to do our >> taxes for free. Or more to the point - do we all expect to get out of bed >> every day and go spend 8 hours at our job and not have a pay check on >> Friday? Of course not. >> >> So why do so many people expect the sites that are putting information on >> line to be free? Let us all remember that it takes a lot of human labor to >> transcribe records and a lot of expensive computer equipment to get them >> on-line and keep them on-line. These businesses are in **Business** and as >> such must make a profit or they will not be able to stay in business. And, >> since their business is making old records available to the public we > would >> all be the losers if they were to close down. >> >> Yes, there are a few sites like Family Discover.com that are scams but > they >> are very few, at least so far. And, yes there are sites like the USGenWeb >> Project where volunteers get information on-line for free, but where are > the >> volunteers that are needed to get as much information on-line as such > places >> as Ancestry? >> >> I've been the hostess of the Marion Co site for almost 3 years now and in >> that time I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) the number of >> people who have offered to help me transcribe records, or walk a cemetery > or >> copy an old book. I can tell you that I have spent hundreds of hours >> transcribing, formatting and getting on line the information you find on > the >> Marion Co site. I'm not complaining because I took on the job knowing that > I >> would have to do the majority of the work. But, the information on the >> Marion Co site is a rain drop in the ocean compared to such places as >> Ancestry. >> >> If every single genealogist would take one roll of microfilm from the LDS >> Library and transcribe the entire roll and let it be put on-line then > there >> would be no reason for the pay per view sites. But, you see that hasn't, > and >> won't, happen. >> >> In my experience, about 97% of family hunters are only interested in their >> own families and not interested at all in investing a lot of hours to >> transcribe records that are not directly related to their own families. >> >> So before we all grip and complain about having to pay to access > information >> let's all stop and think about where we would be if the information was > not >> available? I know where I would be - right back to paying for every copy, >> not being able to take off from work to visit a library or struggling to >> find time after work to visit the LDS family centers. >> >> And last, but not least. This discussion has come and gone on many e-mail >> lists and there is always someone who says they cannot afford to pay for a >> subscription service. I can only say that in every instance where that >> comment was made, there were several offers from people, like me, who are >> more than willing to look up the information needed on the pay for view >> sites and pass it along. >> >> OK I'm off my soap box now and off to work. Everyone have a good day. >> >> Linda >> >> lhaasdav@mindspring.com >> Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >> Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >> List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c >> Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" > at >> http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl >> >> > > ______________________________ > From: "Barbara Whisenant" <bwhiz@prodigy.net> > Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2001 9:10 PM > To: ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Pierson > > Does anyone know anything about a William or a James Pierson in Marion Co > AR, circa 1850? > > Thank you very much. > Barb >

Here's the only mention I find of Jones & Catherine (Nation) Ledbetter in MCAR records. "Marion Co. AR 1890" by Helen McMindes [reconstructed 1890 census] Oliver L Risley (son of Benjamin & Sarah (Miller) (Brown) Risley) b April 1851 MO MO MO. Franklin Township. Nancy Elizabeth (daughter of Jones & Catherine [Nation] Ledbetter) b Jan 1854 MO TN TN married 24 years, has had 11 children, 8 living (as per 1900 census). [Note: Catherine Nation is 1/4 Cherokee.] Lillie Mae b April 1880 AR MO MO single in 1900. Alice b July 1881 AR MO MO single in 1900. Virgil Elmo b Sept 1883 AR MO MO. Ross Lee b Oct 1885 AR MO MO. Troy Benton b March 1889 AR MO MO. [Note: In 1900 Catherine Tabor, mother-in-law, is living with them. She is 75 and has borne one child.] Apparently Jones and Catherine (Nation) Ledbetter had only one child, Nancy Elizabeth. Also apparently Catherine married a Tabor after Jones died. You might try looking in Ozark and Taney Co in MO for further information - it looks to me as if they never actually lived in Marion Co. Hope this is helpful. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com *************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Schiro <schiro@gte.net> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: JONES LEDBETTER & CATHERINE NATION-LEDBETTER > Seeking information on the family of Jones & Catherine Nation-Ledbetter who were residing in Marion Co. AR. at some time. > > There children were: Isaac Tillman, Margaret Jane, James & George Washington. > > Any information would be grately appreciated. > > Patricia Schiro > schiro@gte.net >

Seeking information on the family of Jones & Catherine Nation-Ledbetter who were residing in Marion Co. AR. at some time. There children were: Isaac Tillman, Margaret Jane, James & George Washington. Any information would be grately appreciated. Patricia Schiro schiro@gte.net

Does anyone know anything about a William or a James Pierson in Marion Co AR, circa 1850? Thank you very much. Barb

I totally agree with you, Linda. BRAVO! [hear me clapping? :) ] Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: Pay to use sites > I'd like to toss out my 2 cents worth on the "pay for view" sites. No > actually I want to get on my "soap box". Feel free to hit the delete key now > if you wish. > > I've been a genealogist for many years, way before the web was in existence > and I can tell you that it was a time consuming, frustrating and very > expensive hobby. I spent untold dollars getting copies of things and even > more untold hours waiting for replies - some of which never came. The yearly > fees for places like Ancestry are trivial compared to the money I spent in > the past. > > I don't know why so many people think that genealogy information should be > free no matter what. Would any of us walk into McDonalds expecting to > receive our food for free just because eating is required to stay alive? Or > do we expect our doctor to treat us for free? Or our accountant to do our > taxes for free. Or more to the point - do we all expect to get out of bed > every day and go spend 8 hours at our job and not have a pay check on > Friday? Of course not. > > So why do so many people expect the sites that are putting information on > line to be free? Let us all remember that it takes a lot of human labor to > transcribe records and a lot of expensive computer equipment to get them > on-line and keep them on-line. These businesses are in **Business** and as > such must make a profit or they will not be able to stay in business. And, > since their business is making old records available to the public we would > all be the losers if they were to close down. > > Yes, there are a few sites like Family Discover.com that are scams but they > are very few, at least so far. And, yes there are sites like the USGenWeb > Project where volunteers get information on-line for free, but where are the > volunteers that are needed to get as much information on-line as such places > as Ancestry? > > I've been the hostess of the Marion Co site for almost 3 years now and in > that time I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) the number of > people who have offered to help me transcribe records, or walk a cemetery or > copy an old book. I can tell you that I have spent hundreds of hours > transcribing, formatting and getting on line the information you find on the > Marion Co site. I'm not complaining because I took on the job knowing that I > would have to do the majority of the work. But, the information on the > Marion Co site is a rain drop in the ocean compared to such places as > Ancestry. > > If every single genealogist would take one roll of microfilm from the LDS > Library and transcribe the entire roll and let it be put on-line then there > would be no reason for the pay per view sites. But, you see that hasn't, and > won't, happen. > > In my experience, about 97% of family hunters are only interested in their > own families and not interested at all in investing a lot of hours to > transcribe records that are not directly related to their own families. > > So before we all grip and complain about having to pay to access information > let's all stop and think about where we would be if the information was not > available? I know where I would be - right back to paying for every copy, > not being able to take off from work to visit a library or struggling to > find time after work to visit the LDS family centers. > > And last, but not least. This discussion has come and gone on many e-mail > lists and there is always someone who says they cannot afford to pay for a > subscription service. I can only say that in every instance where that > comment was made, there were several offers from people, like me, who are > more than willing to look up the information needed on the pay for view > sites and pass it along. > > OK I'm off my soap box now and off to work. Everyone have a good day. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > >

Travis, Both of your ancestors died late enough that there should be a death certificate filed on them in the state where they died. Suggest that you get a copy of that death certificate and it should give their parents name. We have McGees and Fultons in Marion Co. AR but I don't seem to find your interest. Their death certificate will be your best bet. You may also want to go to the Arkansas site, but you will really need to narrow your search before you will be able to locate much data. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~argenweb/> I will also put this on the Marion county list, someone else might know something about these folk that I do not. Don At 04:36 AM 09-01-01 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for any and all info. on James Azera McGehee and Sarah Fulton, >who are the parents of Jerry Rufus McGehee (born Sept. 11, 1882 in Arkansas I >believe). > >James McGehee was said to be born the year 1856 in Arkansas and died 1926 >Sarah Fulton was born about 1858 and died about 1920 > >I would greatly appreciate your help, we have been researching for years and >are stuck. > > Thanks, > Travis >E-Mail: travismcgehee@aol.com

Jan, all the books Marian Burnes has published and has for sale are listed on the Marion Co web page. Look under "Resources for Researchers". There's lots more listed than just Marian's books, too. A real "wish list" of goodies :-))))) Marian's books are: "Marriages 1887-1896" [$12] "Marriages 1896-1905" [$15] "Marriages 1905-1917" [$15] "Cemeteries" [$25] "Early Days" [$25] Currently, Marian is *not* filling any orders because of her health. However, Vicki Roberts (co-author of some of the books) *is* filling the orders. You can order from her (unfortunately, she's not online). Make checks payable to Vicki. Vicki Roberts 2363 MC 5032 Yellville AR 72687 870-449-6195 after 7 pm CST Hope this helps. If you have any questions, let me know. I'll do my best to answer them. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn & Jan James <ljjames@inreach.com> To: <ARSEARCY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: [ARSEARCY] Mysty - Marian Burnes books > Sorry to send the note this way - but have been trying to order Marian > Burnes books and found out that I need to get ahold of Mysty who is helping > sell them. Mysty, would it be possible to get ahold of me? > THANKS, > Jan James >

Hi List Some of the pay sites are real good, don't forget Ancestry.com (part of Myfamily.com) is the sponsor of Rootsweb.com which is all free. plus they rotate their databases and allow us to view/search for 10 days free. I also am one of the transcribers of data http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~full which is the Fulbright Database and also have 4 email lists and genconnect boards I don't like to pay either but the company's have to make a profit to continue to support the gathering of data. Like any store, shop around find one that helps you and has the database you need, Paul Fullbright

Linda, I fully agree with you. I started researching back in the 1960s and let me tell you I have found more in the past year on my computer than I ever did the "old" way. And I can't tell you how many letters I wrote (by hand) and dollars I spent for info that either didn't pertain to my family or offered very little info. I gladly pay for Ancestry because it has helped me so much. I also appreciate all those angels out there who are willing to transcribe data so I can receive it for free. You have a good day. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: Pay to use sites > I'd like to toss out my 2 cents worth on the "pay for view" sites. No > actually I want to get on my "soap box". Feel free to hit the delete key now > if you wish. > > I've been a genealogist for many years, way before the web was in existence > and I can tell you that it was a time consuming, frustrating and very > expensive hobby. I spent untold dollars getting copies of things and even > more untold hours waiting for replies - some of which never came. The yearly > fees for places like Ancestry are trivial compared to the money I spent in > the past. > > I don't know why so many people think that genealogy information should be > free no matter what. Would any of us walk into McDonalds expecting to > receive our food for free just because eating is required to stay alive? Or > do we expect our doctor to treat us for free? Or our accountant to do our > taxes for free. Or more to the point - do we all expect to get out of bed > every day and go spend 8 hours at our job and not have a pay check on > Friday? Of course not. > > So why do so many people expect the sites that are putting information on > line to be free? Let us all remember that it takes a lot of human labor to > transcribe records and a lot of expensive computer equipment to get them > on-line and keep them on-line. These businesses are in **Business** and as > such must make a profit or they will not be able to stay in business. And, > since their business is making old records available to the public we would > all be the losers if they were to close down. > > Yes, there are a few sites like Family Discover.com that are scams but they > are very few, at least so far. And, yes there are sites like the USGenWeb > Project where volunteers get information on-line for free, but where are the > volunteers that are needed to get as much information on-line as such places > as Ancestry? > > I've been the hostess of the Marion Co site for almost 3 years now and in > that time I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) the number of > people who have offered to help me transcribe records, or walk a cemetery or > copy an old book. I can tell you that I have spent hundreds of hours > transcribing, formatting and getting on line the information you find on the > Marion Co site. I'm not complaining because I took on the job knowing that I > would have to do the majority of the work. But, the information on the > Marion Co site is a rain drop in the ocean compared to such places as > Ancestry. > > If every single genealogist would take one roll of microfilm from the LDS > Library and transcribe the entire roll and let it be put on-line then there > would be no reason for the pay per view sites. But, you see that hasn't, and > won't, happen. > > In my experience, about 97% of family hunters are only interested in their > own families and not interested at all in investing a lot of hours to > transcribe records that are not directly related to their own families. > > So before we all grip and complain about having to pay to access information > let's all stop and think about where we would be if the information was not > available? I know where I would be - right back to paying for every copy, > not being able to take off from work to visit a library or struggling to > find time after work to visit the LDS family centers. > > And last, but not least. This discussion has come and gone on many e-mail > lists and there is always someone who says they cannot afford to pay for a > subscription service. I can only say that in every instance where that > comment was made, there were several offers from people, like me, who are > more than willing to look up the information needed on the pay for view > sites and pass it along. > > OK I'm off my soap box now and off to work. Everyone have a good day. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > >

Amen Polly Littlejohn Jenkins -----Original Message----- From: Linda Haas Davenport [mailto:lhaasdav@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:08 AM To: ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Pay to use sites I'd like to toss out my 2 cents worth on the "pay for view" sites. No actually I want to get on my "soap box". Feel free to hit the delete key now if you wish. I've been a genealogist for many years, way before the web was in existence and I can tell you that it was a time consuming, frustrating and very expensive hobby. I spent untold dollars getting copies of things and even more untold hours waiting for replies - some of which never came. The yearly fees for places like Ancestry are trivial compared to the money I spent in the past. I don't know why so many people think that genealogy information should be free no matter what. Would any of us walk into McDonalds expecting to receive our food for free just because eating is required to stay alive? Or do we expect our doctor to treat us for free? Or our accountant to do our taxes for free. Or more to the point - do we all expect to get out of bed every day and go spend 8 hours at our job and not have a pay check on Friday? Of course not. So why do so many people expect the sites that are putting information on line to be free? Let us all remember that it takes a lot of human labor to transcribe records and a lot of expensive computer equipment to get them on-line and keep them on-line. These businesses are in **Business** and as such must make a profit or they will not be able to stay in business. And, since their business is making old records available to the public we would all be the losers if they were to close down. Yes, there are a few sites like Family Discover.com that are scams but they are very few, at least so far. And, yes there are sites like the USGenWeb Project where volunteers get information on-line for free, but where are the volunteers that are needed to get as much information on-line as such places as Ancestry? I've been the hostess of the Marion Co site for almost 3 years now and in that time I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) the number of people who have offered to help me transcribe records, or walk a cemetery or copy an old book. I can tell you that I have spent hundreds of hours transcribing, formatting and getting on line the information you find on the Marion Co site. I'm not complaining because I took on the job knowing that I would have to do the majority of the work. But, the information on the Marion Co site is a rain drop in the ocean compared to such places as Ancestry. If every single genealogist would take one roll of microfilm from the LDS Library and transcribe the entire roll and let it be put on-line then there would be no reason for the pay per view sites. But, you see that hasn't, and won't, happen. In my experience, about 97% of family hunters are only interested in their own families and not interested at all in investing a lot of hours to transcribe records that are not directly related to their own families. So before we all grip and complain about having to pay to access information let's all stop and think about where we would be if the information was not available? I know where I would be - right back to paying for every copy, not being able to take off from work to visit a library or struggling to find time after work to visit the LDS family centers. And last, but not least. This discussion has come and gone on many e-mail lists and there is always someone who says they cannot afford to pay for a subscription service. I can only say that in every instance where that comment was made, there were several offers from people, like me, who are more than willing to look up the information needed on the pay for view sites and pass it along. OK I'm off my soap box now and off to work. Everyone have a good day. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl

I'd like to toss out my 2 cents worth on the "pay for view" sites. No actually I want to get on my "soap box". Feel free to hit the delete key now if you wish. I've been a genealogist for many years, way before the web was in existence and I can tell you that it was a time consuming, frustrating and very expensive hobby. I spent untold dollars getting copies of things and even more untold hours waiting for replies - some of which never came. The yearly fees for places like Ancestry are trivial compared to the money I spent in the past. I don't know why so many people think that genealogy information should be free no matter what. Would any of us walk into McDonalds expecting to receive our food for free just because eating is required to stay alive? Or do we expect our doctor to treat us for free? Or our accountant to do our taxes for free. Or more to the point - do we all expect to get out of bed every day and go spend 8 hours at our job and not have a pay check on Friday? Of course not. So why do so many people expect the sites that are putting information on line to be free? Let us all remember that it takes a lot of human labor to transcribe records and a lot of expensive computer equipment to get them on-line and keep them on-line. These businesses are in **Business** and as such must make a profit or they will not be able to stay in business. And, since their business is making old records available to the public we would all be the losers if they were to close down. Yes, there are a few sites like Family Discover.com that are scams but they are very few, at least so far. And, yes there are sites like the USGenWeb Project where volunteers get information on-line for free, but where are the volunteers that are needed to get as much information on-line as such places as Ancestry? I've been the hostess of the Marion Co site for almost 3 years now and in that time I can count on one hand (with fingers left over) the number of people who have offered to help me transcribe records, or walk a cemetery or copy an old book. I can tell you that I have spent hundreds of hours transcribing, formatting and getting on line the information you find on the Marion Co site. I'm not complaining because I took on the job knowing that I would have to do the majority of the work. But, the information on the Marion Co site is a rain drop in the ocean compared to such places as Ancestry. If every single genealogist would take one roll of microfilm from the LDS Library and transcribe the entire roll and let it be put on-line then there would be no reason for the pay per view sites. But, you see that hasn't, and won't, happen. In my experience, about 97% of family hunters are only interested in their own families and not interested at all in investing a lot of hours to transcribe records that are not directly related to their own families. So before we all grip and complain about having to pay to access information let's all stop and think about where we would be if the information was not available? I know where I would be - right back to paying for every copy, not being able to take off from work to visit a library or struggling to find time after work to visit the LDS family centers. And last, but not least. This discussion has come and gone on many e-mail lists and there is always someone who says they cannot afford to pay for a subscription service. I can only say that in every instance where that comment was made, there were several offers from people, like me, who are more than willing to look up the information needed on the pay for view sites and pass it along. OK I'm off my soap box now and off to work. Everyone have a good day. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl

Oh, that's lovely, Sharon. Thanks sooo much for sharing it with us :-)))). You captured the atmosphere *very* well <sigh> Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Staton <slstaton@arkansas.net> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Rush > A few years ago when my Aunt May came to visit we drove up to Yellville and the surrounding areas so that she could see where her father my grandfather Thomas Lumpkin was born. One of the places that we visited was Rush where Grandpa's father John had a mine. When we returned home I wrote this and maybe some of you can relate to the feeling I had about this little place. Sharon > > Rush > In taking the isolated road to Rush > we traveled through woods so lush, > weathered boards and rusted nails, > make up the last building still in this vale. > Water gurgles and trickles over stones > that lay in the now quiet creek that roams > through the middle of this desolate town > made up now of ghosts of men who seeked and found > ore rich in the minerals they mined > to support the families in the homes that lined > the steep winding road that sits in the hush > of the once busy little town known as Rush. >

A few years ago when my Aunt May came to visit we drove up to Yellville and the surrounding areas so that she could see where her father my grandfather Thomas Lumpkin was born. One of the places that we visited was Rush where Grandpa's father John had a mine. When we returned home I wrote this and maybe some of you can relate to the feeling I had about this little place. Sharon Rush In taking the isolated road to Rush we traveled through woods so lush, weathered boards and rusted nails, make up the last building still in this vale. Water gurgles and trickles over stones that lay in the now quiet creek that roams through the middle of this desolate town made up now of ghosts of men who seeked and found ore rich in the minerals they mined to support the families in the homes that lined the steep winding road that sits in the hush of the once busy little town known as Rush.

I fully agree with the others regarding the prices one has to pay for family research. Living in Australia I have to pay almost double the regular price due to the exchange rates on the dollar. Ridiculous and unfair as these web sites get heaps of people all geared up to find the relatives...then want money from them. Bren ----- Original Message ----- From: <ARMARION-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ARMARION-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: ARMARION-D Digest V01 #5

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Yes, Mary, there is information in "Big Blue" on the Marler family. Slightly over 400 families are represented - and each one is cross-referenced to spouse families wherever possible. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Lynn Winham <mlwwaw@puma.sirinet.net> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Weaver family > Can you tell me if the Marler family is included in Genealogies of MCAR > Families? Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mysty McPherson <shakerag@mtnhome.com> > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:37 PM > Subject: Weaver family > > > > I've never heard of Shirley Ashton, Loretta, and her name is not among the > > contributors to "Big "Blue." > > > > The Weaver family is not covered in "Genealogies of MCAR Families > > 1811-1900," but here's some info that may be helpful. These may not all > be > > kin, but they're all the Weavers I've found in the sources I have here at > > the house. > > > > MCAR 1850 census - White River Township: > > John Weaver 60 GA. > > Nancy 45 TN. [prob a 2nd wife] > > Garrett 20 TN. > > Martha 17 TN. > > Omah 15 MO. > > Mary Ann 12 MO. > > Elizabeth 10 MO. > > John 7 MO. > > > > MCAR 1860 census - Jimmys Creek Township: > > J W Haley 36 TN. > > Oney 23 MO. [prob Omah Weaver] > > Sarah F 3 AR. > > Charles A 2 AR. > > George A 4/12 AR. > > Martha Weaver 29 MO. [prob Oney's sister] > > > > MCAR 1870 census - Whiteville Township: > > Gideon Weaver 37 AR. > > > > MCAR 1880 census - no Weavers listed. > > > > "Marion Co AR 1890" by Helen McMindes (a reconstruction of the 1890 using > > 1880, 1900, tax, etc): > > Garrett Weaver b July 1853 AR TN __. In Franklin Township 1890, in Cedar > > Creek Township 1900. [prob son of Garrett?] > > Fannie (Hawkins) b March 1858 GA GA GA. m 25 years, has had 9 children, 8 > > living (per 1900 census). > > Sarah E b Feb 1881 MO AR GA. > > Charley b Jan 1884 MO AR GA. > > Marget E b Aug 1885 MO AR GA. > > Jessie b Feb 1889 MO AR GA. > > > > W. F Weaver (William F?) b Oct 1847 SC SC VA. In Prairie Township 1890, > > Hampton Township 1900. > > Leanna b May 1856 AR MS MS m 21 years, has had 11 children, 7 living (per > > 1900 census). > > Andy b July 1880 AR SC AR. > > Ellen b Dec 1884 AR SC AR. > > Jesse W b March 1886 AR SC AR. > > Manda b July 1888 AR SC AR. > > Dulcena b Sep 1890. > > > > "Genealogies of Marion Co Families 1811-1900:" > > Nola Lell Angel (daughter of Francis Marion & Ethel Elizabeth [Roberts] > > Angel m 1904) m Asel Weaver. Moved to Phoenix AZ. > > Allen Nave (son of John "Jack" & Redissa "Dicy" [Trimble] [Wood] Nave) b > > Ozark Co MO 1850 m 29 July 1869 Elizabeth Weaver. > > Nancy Gilbert (daughter of Edmond O. "Ed" & Nancy A [Swafford] Gilbert Sr) > b > > ca 1860 m Ike Weaver. > > Henry Helms Robertson (son of David & Mary [___] Robertson) b GA 1808 d > MCAR > > 1889 bu Georges Creek Cemetery m Mary Ann Weaver (daughter of John & Susan > > [Ross] Weaver) b VA 1813 d 1880 bu Mountain Home AR. > > Arthur Sasser (son of Henry & Nancy [Kirby] Sasser) b NC 1817 d Laurel KY > > 1899 m KY 1840 Lavina Weaver b KY 1817 d 1903. > > > > "Cemeteries of Marion Co AR" by Marian Burnes: > > Margaret D Weaver b 4 Sep 1916 d 4 June 1984 bu Patton Cemetery. > > Moved from Pritchard Cemetery to government plot adjacent to Peel Cemetery > > when Bull Shoals Lake was built ca 1950: > > George Weaver. > > Isaac Weaver. > > Garret Weaver. > > Fanny Weaver. > > Mildred M Weaver. > > Mrs May Weaver. > > Infant Weaver. > > Boyd Rea Weaver s/o Jesse b 29 July 1963 d 21 Aug 1963 bu Peel Cemetery. > > L D "Joe" Weaver b 9 Feb 1926 d 7 Dec 1963 killed by a falling tree bu > Peel > > Cemetery. > > Jess W Weaver b 5 Feb 1889 d 18 May 1968 bu Peel Cemetery. > > Laura B [Fisher] Weaver w/o Jess b 28 July 1890 d 13 Sep 1976 bu Peel > > Cemetery. > > G W Weaver b 1853 d 1902 bu Peel Cemetery. > > Garrett Weaver b 4 July 1860 d 19 Feb 1923 bu Peel Cemetery. > > Fannie Weaver b 18 March 1859 d 19 Feb 1923 bu Peel Cemetery. > > Kitty Clyde Weaver b 9 Jan 1871 d 30 Aug 1949 bu Flippin Cemetery. > > > > "Marion Co Marriage Records 1887-1896" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: > > Elizabeth Weaver aged 35 of Ozark Co MO m MCAR 3 April 1895 Davis Chyle > aged > > 54 of Ozark Co MO. > > > > "Marion Co Marriage Records 1896-1905" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: > > Laura E Weaver aged 17 of Bruno m MCAR 12 July 1898 W B Martin aged 28 of > > Bruno. > > Alice Weaver aged 23 of Bruno m MCAR 21 Aug 1898 J H Lowery aged 25 of > Eros. > > > > Marion Co Marriage Records 1905-1917" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: > > Emma Weaver aged 20 of Peel m MCAR 7 Dec 1906 J F Casebolt aged 18 of > Peel. > > J W Weaver aged 22 of Peel m MCAR 23 Sep 1911 Luna [sic] Fisher aged 21 of > > Peel. > > Maude Weaver aged 24 of Dugginsville MO m MCAR 11 June 1916 John Hudson > aged > > 27 of Peel. > > > > Because of some of the townships these Weavers lived in, I'd guess some of > > them were removed to Baxter Co when it was formed in part from Marion Co > in > > 1873. There are two web pages for Baxter Co. > > http://www.mtncom.com/noarweb/baxgen and > > http://bsd.pastracks.com/states/arkansas/baxter > > > > And because the John Weaver family apparently lived in Ozark Co MO before > > moving to AR, and because some of the other Weavers were from or were born > > in Ozark Co MO, you might want to check there too. You can access the > Ozark > > Co MO web page from http://www.usgenweb.com. Start with "State Pages" and > > just 'follow the yellow brick road.' > > > > Good luck in your search. > > > > Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <FFHILBERT@aol.com> > > To: <shakerag@mtnhome.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:07 AM > > Subject: LOOKUP-"THE BIG BLUE BOOK" > > > > > > > Thank you for volunteering to do Lookup! I need info on John Weaver's > > > family. He was born c1790 in GA and is on the 1850 Marion Co Census > with > > > wife Nancy. Children in the family include: Garrett 20 > > > > > > Martha 17 > > > > > > Omah 15 > > > > > > Mary A 12 > > > > > > Elisabeth 10 > > > > > > Joseph 8 > > > > > > John 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, do you know how to reach Shirley Ashton. She mentioned in the > book > > > that John was her ancestor. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Loretta > > >

Can you tell me if the Marler family is included in Genealogies of MCAR Families? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mysty McPherson <shakerag@mtnhome.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Weaver family > I've never heard of Shirley Ashton, Loretta, and her name is not among the > contributors to "Big "Blue." > > The Weaver family is not covered in "Genealogies of MCAR Families > 1811-1900," but here's some info that may be helpful. These may not all be > kin, but they're all the Weavers I've found in the sources I have here at > the house. > > MCAR 1850 census - White River Township: > John Weaver 60 GA. > Nancy 45 TN. [prob a 2nd wife] > Garrett 20 TN. > Martha 17 TN. > Omah 15 MO. > Mary Ann 12 MO. > Elizabeth 10 MO. > John 7 MO. > > MCAR 1860 census - Jimmys Creek Township: > J W Haley 36 TN. > Oney 23 MO. [prob Omah Weaver] > Sarah F 3 AR. > Charles A 2 AR. > George A 4/12 AR. > Martha Weaver 29 MO. [prob Oney's sister] > > MCAR 1870 census - Whiteville Township: > Gideon Weaver 37 AR. > > MCAR 1880 census - no Weavers listed. > > "Marion Co AR 1890" by Helen McMindes (a reconstruction of the 1890 using > 1880, 1900, tax, etc): > Garrett Weaver b July 1853 AR TN __. In Franklin Township 1890, in Cedar > Creek Township 1900. [prob son of Garrett?] > Fannie (Hawkins) b March 1858 GA GA GA. m 25 years, has had 9 children, 8 > living (per 1900 census). > Sarah E b Feb 1881 MO AR GA. > Charley b Jan 1884 MO AR GA. > Marget E b Aug 1885 MO AR GA. > Jessie b Feb 1889 MO AR GA. > > W. F Weaver (William F?) b Oct 1847 SC SC VA. In Prairie Township 1890, > Hampton Township 1900. > Leanna b May 1856 AR MS MS m 21 years, has had 11 children, 7 living (per > 1900 census). > Andy b July 1880 AR SC AR. > Ellen b Dec 1884 AR SC AR. > Jesse W b March 1886 AR SC AR. > Manda b July 1888 AR SC AR. > Dulcena b Sep 1890. > > "Genealogies of Marion Co Families 1811-1900:" > Nola Lell Angel (daughter of Francis Marion & Ethel Elizabeth [Roberts] > Angel m 1904) m Asel Weaver. Moved to Phoenix AZ. > Allen Nave (son of John "Jack" & Redissa "Dicy" [Trimble] [Wood] Nave) b > Ozark Co MO 1850 m 29 July 1869 Elizabeth Weaver. > Nancy Gilbert (daughter of Edmond O. "Ed" & Nancy A [Swafford] Gilbert Sr) b > ca 1860 m Ike Weaver. > Henry Helms Robertson (son of David & Mary [___] Robertson) b GA 1808 d MCAR > 1889 bu Georges Creek Cemetery m Mary Ann Weaver (daughter of John & Susan > [Ross] Weaver) b VA 1813 d 1880 bu Mountain Home AR. > Arthur Sasser (son of Henry & Nancy [Kirby] Sasser) b NC 1817 d Laurel KY > 1899 m KY 1840 Lavina Weaver b KY 1817 d 1903. > > "Cemeteries of Marion Co AR" by Marian Burnes: > Margaret D Weaver b 4 Sep 1916 d 4 June 1984 bu Patton Cemetery. > Moved from Pritchard Cemetery to government plot adjacent to Peel Cemetery > when Bull Shoals Lake was built ca 1950: > George Weaver. > Isaac Weaver. > Garret Weaver. > Fanny Weaver. > Mildred M Weaver. > Mrs May Weaver. > Infant Weaver. > Boyd Rea Weaver s/o Jesse b 29 July 1963 d 21 Aug 1963 bu Peel Cemetery. > L D "Joe" Weaver b 9 Feb 1926 d 7 Dec 1963 killed by a falling tree bu Peel > Cemetery. > Jess W Weaver b 5 Feb 1889 d 18 May 1968 bu Peel Cemetery. > Laura B [Fisher] Weaver w/o Jess b 28 July 1890 d 13 Sep 1976 bu Peel > Cemetery. > G W Weaver b 1853 d 1902 bu Peel Cemetery. > Garrett Weaver b 4 July 1860 d 19 Feb 1923 bu Peel Cemetery. > Fannie Weaver b 18 March 1859 d 19 Feb 1923 bu Peel Cemetery. > Kitty Clyde Weaver b 9 Jan 1871 d 30 Aug 1949 bu Flippin Cemetery. > > "Marion Co Marriage Records 1887-1896" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: > Elizabeth Weaver aged 35 of Ozark Co MO m MCAR 3 April 1895 Davis Chyle aged > 54 of Ozark Co MO. > > "Marion Co Marriage Records 1896-1905" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: > Laura E Weaver aged 17 of Bruno m MCAR 12 July 1898 W B Martin aged 28 of > Bruno. > Alice Weaver aged 23 of Bruno m MCAR 21 Aug 1898 J H Lowery aged 25 of Eros. > > Marion Co Marriage Records 1905-1917" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: > Emma Weaver aged 20 of Peel m MCAR 7 Dec 1906 J F Casebolt aged 18 of Peel. > J W Weaver aged 22 of Peel m MCAR 23 Sep 1911 Luna [sic] Fisher aged 21 of > Peel. > Maude Weaver aged 24 of Dugginsville MO m MCAR 11 June 1916 John Hudson aged > 27 of Peel. > > Because of some of the townships these Weavers lived in, I'd guess some of > them were removed to Baxter Co when it was formed in part from Marion Co in > 1873. There are two web pages for Baxter Co. > http://www.mtncom.com/noarweb/baxgen and > http://bsd.pastracks.com/states/arkansas/baxter > > And because the John Weaver family apparently lived in Ozark Co MO before > moving to AR, and because some of the other Weavers were from or were born > in Ozark Co MO, you might want to check there too. You can access the Ozark > Co MO web page from http://www.usgenweb.com. Start with "State Pages" and > just 'follow the yellow brick road.' > > Good luck in your search. > > Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <FFHILBERT@aol.com> > To: <shakerag@mtnhome.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:07 AM > Subject: LOOKUP-"THE BIG BLUE BOOK" > > > > Thank you for volunteering to do Lookup! I need info on John Weaver's > > family. He was born c1790 in GA and is on the 1850 Marion Co Census with > > wife Nancy. Children in the family include: Garrett 20 > > > > Martha 17 > > > > Omah 15 > > > > Mary A 12 > > > > Elisabeth 10 > > > > Joseph 8 > > > > John 7 > > > > > > > > Also, do you know how to reach Shirley Ashton. She mentioned in the book > > that John was her ancestor. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Loretta >

I've never heard of Shirley Ashton, Loretta, and her name is not among the contributors to "Big "Blue." The Weaver family is not covered in "Genealogies of MCAR Families 1811-1900," but here's some info that may be helpful. These may not all be kin, but they're all the Weavers I've found in the sources I have here at the house. MCAR 1850 census - White River Township: John Weaver 60 GA. Nancy 45 TN. [prob a 2nd wife] Garrett 20 TN. Martha 17 TN. Omah 15 MO. Mary Ann 12 MO. Elizabeth 10 MO. John 7 MO. MCAR 1860 census - Jimmys Creek Township: J W Haley 36 TN. Oney 23 MO. [prob Omah Weaver] Sarah F 3 AR. Charles A 2 AR. George A 4/12 AR. Martha Weaver 29 MO. [prob Oney's sister] MCAR 1870 census - Whiteville Township: Gideon Weaver 37 AR. MCAR 1880 census - no Weavers listed. "Marion Co AR 1890" by Helen McMindes (a reconstruction of the 1890 using 1880, 1900, tax, etc): Garrett Weaver b July 1853 AR TN __. In Franklin Township 1890, in Cedar Creek Township 1900. [prob son of Garrett?] Fannie (Hawkins) b March 1858 GA GA GA. m 25 years, has had 9 children, 8 living (per 1900 census). Sarah E b Feb 1881 MO AR GA. Charley b Jan 1884 MO AR GA. Marget E b Aug 1885 MO AR GA. Jessie b Feb 1889 MO AR GA. W. F Weaver (William F?) b Oct 1847 SC SC VA. In Prairie Township 1890, Hampton Township 1900. Leanna b May 1856 AR MS MS m 21 years, has had 11 children, 7 living (per 1900 census). Andy b July 1880 AR SC AR. Ellen b Dec 1884 AR SC AR. Jesse W b March 1886 AR SC AR. Manda b July 1888 AR SC AR. Dulcena b Sep 1890. "Genealogies of Marion Co Families 1811-1900:" Nola Lell Angel (daughter of Francis Marion & Ethel Elizabeth [Roberts] Angel m 1904) m Asel Weaver. Moved to Phoenix AZ. Allen Nave (son of John "Jack" & Redissa "Dicy" [Trimble] [Wood] Nave) b Ozark Co MO 1850 m 29 July 1869 Elizabeth Weaver. Nancy Gilbert (daughter of Edmond O. "Ed" & Nancy A [Swafford] Gilbert Sr) b ca 1860 m Ike Weaver. Henry Helms Robertson (son of David & Mary [___] Robertson) b GA 1808 d MCAR 1889 bu Georges Creek Cemetery m Mary Ann Weaver (daughter of John & Susan [Ross] Weaver) b VA 1813 d 1880 bu Mountain Home AR. Arthur Sasser (son of Henry & Nancy [Kirby] Sasser) b NC 1817 d Laurel KY 1899 m KY 1840 Lavina Weaver b KY 1817 d 1903. "Cemeteries of Marion Co AR" by Marian Burnes: Margaret D Weaver b 4 Sep 1916 d 4 June 1984 bu Patton Cemetery. Moved from Pritchard Cemetery to government plot adjacent to Peel Cemetery when Bull Shoals Lake was built ca 1950: George Weaver. Isaac Weaver. Garret Weaver. Fanny Weaver. Mildred M Weaver. Mrs May Weaver. Infant Weaver. Boyd Rea Weaver s/o Jesse b 29 July 1963 d 21 Aug 1963 bu Peel Cemetery. L D "Joe" Weaver b 9 Feb 1926 d 7 Dec 1963 killed by a falling tree bu Peel Cemetery. Jess W Weaver b 5 Feb 1889 d 18 May 1968 bu Peel Cemetery. Laura B [Fisher] Weaver w/o Jess b 28 July 1890 d 13 Sep 1976 bu Peel Cemetery. G W Weaver b 1853 d 1902 bu Peel Cemetery. Garrett Weaver b 4 July 1860 d 19 Feb 1923 bu Peel Cemetery. Fannie Weaver b 18 March 1859 d 19 Feb 1923 bu Peel Cemetery. Kitty Clyde Weaver b 9 Jan 1871 d 30 Aug 1949 bu Flippin Cemetery. "Marion Co Marriage Records 1887-1896" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: Elizabeth Weaver aged 35 of Ozark Co MO m MCAR 3 April 1895 Davis Chyle aged 54 of Ozark Co MO. "Marion Co Marriage Records 1896-1905" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: Laura E Weaver aged 17 of Bruno m MCAR 12 July 1898 W B Martin aged 28 of Bruno. Alice Weaver aged 23 of Bruno m MCAR 21 Aug 1898 J H Lowery aged 25 of Eros. Marion Co Marriage Records 1905-1917" by Marian Burnes & Vicki Roberts: Emma Weaver aged 20 of Peel m MCAR 7 Dec 1906 J F Casebolt aged 18 of Peel. J W Weaver aged 22 of Peel m MCAR 23 Sep 1911 Luna [sic] Fisher aged 21 of Peel. Maude Weaver aged 24 of Dugginsville MO m MCAR 11 June 1916 John Hudson aged 27 of Peel. Because of some of the townships these Weavers lived in, I'd guess some of them were removed to Baxter Co when it was formed in part from Marion Co in 1873. There are two web pages for Baxter Co. http://www.mtncom.com/noarweb/baxgen and http://bsd.pastracks.com/states/arkansas/baxter And because the John Weaver family apparently lived in Ozark Co MO before moving to AR, and because some of the other Weavers were from or were born in Ozark Co MO, you might want to check there too. You can access the Ozark Co MO web page from http://www.usgenweb.com. Start with "State Pages" and just 'follow the yellow brick road.' Good luck in your search. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <FFHILBERT@aol.com> To: <shakerag@mtnhome.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: LOOKUP-"THE BIG BLUE BOOK" > Thank you for volunteering to do Lookup! I need info on John Weaver's > family. He was born c1790 in GA and is on the 1850 Marion Co Census with > wife Nancy. Children in the family include: Garrett 20 > > Martha 17 > > Omah 15 > > Mary A 12 > > Elisabeth 10 > > Joseph 8 > > John 7 > > > > Also, do you know how to reach Shirley Ashton. She mentioned in the book > that John was her ancestor. > > Thanks! > > Loretta

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