Hi folks. I've been out of pocket for awhile and I'm now back. For everyone who sent me things (especially Gary Treat) they are on my laptop and as soon as I can find a few minutes I'll get everything transferred over to my regular computer and try to get things on-line. Be patient with me please <g> Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl

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Have been in touch with Gay and sent her everything the Society has on the Wickershams in MCAR. Had thought the Wickersham book would be ready soon, but looks as if they've bitten off more than they'd planned on in the beginning. Trying to cover all the Wickershams in the *whole* country is too mammoth a task for me to even want to think about <grin> Their web page is http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~wicker/ If you lose it or forget it, you can access it under "Homepages for Marion Co Researchers" at http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion. Thanks for the update, Thelma. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ****************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Thelma Nation <tnation@panhandle.net> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Wickersham > Mysty; > The Wickersham researcher's name Gay Davis, gdavis99@prodigy.net > Thelma *********************************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mysty McPherson <shakerag@mtnhome.com> > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: Wickersham > > If you'll go to the Marion Co AR web page > http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > and scroll down to "Family Genealogies," you'll find a direct link to the > > Wickersham URL. And if you'll scroll down further to "Photo Album," > you'll > > find some Wickersham pictures. You might "wander" around the MCAR page > > while you're there - it's filled with an amazing amount of information and > > tidbits. > > > > Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com > > ************************************************* > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Glenda Ramsey <searchark@hotmail.com> > > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:03 AM > > Subject: Wickersham > > > Can someone please give me the URL for > > > the Wickersham family website? > > > Glenda

Mysty; The Wickersham researcher's name Gay Davis, gdavis99@prodigy.net Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: Mysty McPherson <shakerag@mtnhome.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Wickersham > If you'll go to the Marion Co AR web page http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > and scroll down to "Family Genealogies," you'll find a direct link to the > Wickersham URL. And if you'll scroll down further to "Photo Album," you'll > find some Wickersham pictures. You might "wander" around the MCAR page > while you're there - it's filled with an amazing amount of information and > tidbits. > > Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com > ************************************************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glenda Ramsey <searchark@hotmail.com> > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:03 AM > Subject: Wickersham > > > > Can someone please give me the URL for > > the Wickersham family website? > > Glenda > > > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html

Mysty; There is a Wickersham book in the makings at the present time. What and who it covers I have no idea. They have contacted me for information on the Sioux Co. Wickershams and the Sioux Co. History Book,also asking about the Gage Co. History book. One of our NE State Senators is a Wickersham, native of Sioux Co. I will check to see if I still have her address. Will get back to you. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: Mysty McPherson <shakerag@mtnhome.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Wickersham > If you'll go to the Marion Co AR web page http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > and scroll down to "Family Genealogies," you'll find a direct link to the > Wickersham URL. And if you'll scroll down further to "Photo Album," you'll > find some Wickersham pictures. You might "wander" around the MCAR page > while you're there - it's filled with an amazing amount of information and > tidbits. > > Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com > ************************************************* > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glenda Ramsey <searchark@hotmail.com> > To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:03 AM > Subject: Wickersham > > > > Can someone please give me the URL for > > the Wickersham family website? > > Glenda > > > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html

Can someone please give me the URL for the Wickersham family website? Glenda _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

If you'll go to the Marion Co AR web page http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion and scroll down to "Family Genealogies," you'll find a direct link to the Wickersham URL. And if you'll scroll down further to "Photo Album," you'll find some Wickersham pictures. You might "wander" around the MCAR page while you're there - it's filled with an amazing amount of information and tidbits. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenda Ramsey <searchark@hotmail.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:03 AM Subject: Wickersham > Can someone please give me the URL for > the Wickersham family website? > Glenda

In 1887 Charles Franklin Loomis lost his wife Jeanette Fisher Loomis. In his grief he left Kansas and went back to Arkansas (county unknown) and settled there. The family story goes that while there he became involved in Tabacco business run by a family by the name of Pryor. Would like to connect with anyone who either 1) knows of Charles Franklin Loomis or 2) knows of a Tabacco Business in Arkansas owned or run by a family by the name of Pryor in the 1888's. Kathleen Burnett

Afraid this won't be of much help to you, Gary, but here's what I find in "Cemeteries of MCAR" by Marian Burnes. Old Hurst/Teagarden Cemetery: Eldora Hall b/d 1888. Hansford Hall s/o G W & M S 1873-1892. Jacob Hall b & d 1889. Pickney Hall b & d 1871. Vinson Hall b1872-1874. Neal Hall 1885-1888. Hannah (Treat) w/o Daniel Hall m IND 1818 - 1799-1875. Mary W Hall d/o G W 1849-1904. Daniel b VT 1790-1869. Marian and Lester Burnes tramped the MCAR cemeteries for around 30 years before compiling this book in 1989. There are lots of mistakes and omissions, but it's about the best we have to work with for now. None of the other "Hall" listings in this book are for G W either. I'd guess either date could be correct - misreading a 0 for a 6 or a 6 for a 0. I know that Cora (Hurst) Tetrick and her sister Gearldine (Hurst) McNeil have been working very hard on this cemetery the past couple of years so they may have turned up some rocks not previously found. Basically, it was a cattle pasture and the owners wanted it kept that way - at least until these two gals got into the act, tracked down state laws, and darned near had the sheriff in the act <grin>. Guess it's pretty much cleaned up, fenced, and relatively back in order - except it's around 1/4 its original size. G W Hall's stone could be one of those down in the creek or scattered across the pasture or whatever. Anyway, apparently Marian and Lester never found it. Don Ott has been very active in the cemetery workings so you might contact him for more information. Oh, I hear there's now a list of those buried there. Not sure where all the info came from, but Don will probably know. You can reach him at dott@centuryinter.net. Most of the folks I know of who've been working on this cemetery aren't on line. Only one I know of is Don. You might try for a death certificate for G W. In AR they've been required since Feb 1914. Of course, lots of folks didn't bother to send the info to Little Rock back before the days of doctors and morticians and coroners and all that. Desmond Walls Allen has published the AR Death Index (she got the info from the index list on the desks at Vital Records) 1914-1946. You can find out more about these books at www.ArkansasResearch.com which lists all the books she has for sale. Or you can contact: Division of Vital Records Arkansas Department of Health 4815 Markham Street Little Rock AR 72201. Typically bureaucratic, they require 1) a statement of purpose, 2) statement of your relationship to the deceased, 3) dates, locations, etc. A death certificate is $4 as of a couple/three months ago. Good luck <grin> Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com ******************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Treat <gdtreat@yahoo.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: George W Hall > Hi list, > > George Washington HALL, son of Daniel HALL and Hannah TREAT, was > born 6 Nov 1840 in IN. I have conflicting information regarding > his date of death in Marion Co, AR. One source indicates he died > on 8 Jun 1926 and another indicates 8 Jun 1920. Both sources > claim the information was taken from his gravestone at the Old > Hurst Cemetery. > > Does anyone have a definitive answer to this question? Does > anyone have access to the probate records for the period? I have > been unable to find any mention of the death in Yellville's > "Mountain Echo" newspaper for either date. > > Thanks in advance for your help! > > Gary Treat > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Hi list, George Washington HALL, son of Daniel HALL and Hannah TREAT, was born 6 Nov 1840 in IN. I have conflicting information regarding his date of death in Marion Co, AR. One source indicates he died on 8 Jun 1926 and another indicates 8 Jun 1920. Both sources claim the information was taken from his gravestone at the Old Hurst Cemetery. Does anyone have a definitive answer to this question? Does anyone have access to the probate records for the period? I have been unable to find any mention of the death in Yellville's "Mountain Echo" newspaper for either date. Thanks in advance for your help! Gary Treat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

According to Funk and Wagnall's, it means "husband or wife; mate." It's used very often in wills and similar legal documents from way, way back in history at least into the early 1900s. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com *********************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <matthews@ebicom.net> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Use of Mr. & Mrs. in records Could you tell me how the term "consort" was uaed and it's meaning around 1850?

Could you tell me how the term "consort" was uaed and it's meaning around 1850? At 11:55 2/8/01 EST, you wrote: >This came across from another list and thought it contained info we could all >use. > ~gina~ > >Last week I noted the following entries in the "History and Antiquities of >the >County of Dorset."  The three entries are found together in Vol. II, on p. >805 >and are placed in an isolated listing with the title "The Register of >Marriages >begins 1539."  These are transcripts from the Piddlehinton, Dorset marriage >register.  The entries are: > >Mr. Robert Swain and Mrs. Eleanor Churchill . . .  1656 >Mr. Henry Churchill and Mrs. Hannah Galler  . . .  1661 >Mr. Henry Churchill and Mrs. Elizabeth Cheek . . . 1682 > >I have seen the Henry and Galler/Cheek marriages from other sources but >without >the use of Mr. for Henry.  I had always assumed that the use of Mrs. simply >indicated that Henry had married widows.  However, I knew that this Eleanor >Churchill was unmarried, so the use of Mistress for Eleanor could not be an >indicator of her marital status. > >After a bit of research and confirming queries from individuals knowledgeable >on the subject, I discovered the true meaning of the above entries.  So >others >don't jump to the same conclusions I initially made, here is the meaning of >the >entries. > >In the 17th and 18th century Mrs. (a contraction of Mistress) was a prefix >used >ONLY for unmarried ladies or girls.  It was equivalent to the modern use of >MISS but was applied only to gentlewomen, that is to say women of gentry >class. > >The Oxford dictionary says about the use of Mrs: > >" . . . Originally distinctive of a gentlewomen, the use of the prefix has >gradually extended downwards; at the present time, every married woman who >has >no superior title is styled 'Mrs.' even though her husband is of so humble a >position as not ordinarily to be referred to as 'Mr.'. . . " > >The use of Mr. indicates gentry status for the men.  Mr places them at the >social level immediately below a titled individual and generally tells you >they >were not titled -- but I understand that Mr could be applied to a knight. > >The consensus from my queries is that John Hutchins, the author of the >"History >and Antiquities of the County of Dorset" extracted the above three marriage >entries and placed them in an isolated grouping simply to emphasize that the >families were prominent.  A distinction that escapes us today. > >The actual individual parish marriage entries would have been written over >time >by (probably) the rector(s).  In their use of Mr. and Mrs. the rectors were >saying about each couple that they were of gentry class and that the women >were >never previously married.  This intended information about the martial status >of the women is in stark contrast to our modern interpretation which is that >all three women were previously married. > >Good hunting, > >Bill Churchill >Greenville, Texas, USA > > > > >============================== >9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists >http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ > >

I am trying to find a Janice Bee Gregg she was in school in Yellville, sixth grade in 1960 her parent's Pauline (--?--) Gregg and Theodore Gregg. Don Gregg dong@powwwer.net

This came across from another list and thought it contained info we could all use. ~gina~ Last week I noted the following entries in the "History and Antiquities of the County of Dorset."  The three entries are found together in Vol. II, on p. 805 and are placed in an isolated listing with the title "The Register of Marriages begins 1539."  These are transcripts from the Piddlehinton, Dorset marriage register.  The entries are: Mr. Robert Swain and Mrs. Eleanor Churchill . . .  1656 Mr. Henry Churchill and Mrs. Hannah Galler  . . .  1661 Mr. Henry Churchill and Mrs. Elizabeth Cheek . . . 1682 I have seen the Henry and Galler/Cheek marriages from other sources but without the use of Mr. for Henry.  I had always assumed that the use of Mrs. simply indicated that Henry had married widows.  However, I knew that this Eleanor Churchill was unmarried, so the use of Mistress for Eleanor could not be an indicator of her marital status. After a bit of research and confirming queries from individuals knowledgeable on the subject, I discovered the true meaning of the above entries.  So others don't jump to the same conclusions I initially made, here is the meaning of the entries. In the 17th and 18th century Mrs. (a contraction of Mistress) was a prefix used ONLY for unmarried ladies or girls.  It was equivalent to the modern use of MISS but was applied only to gentlewomen, that is to say women of gentry class. The Oxford dictionary says about the use of Mrs: " . . . Originally distinctive of a gentlewomen, the use of the prefix has gradually extended downwards; at the present time, every married woman who has no superior title is styled 'Mrs.' even though her husband is of so humble a position as not ordinarily to be referred to as 'Mr.'. . . " The use of Mr. indicates gentry status for the men.  Mr places them at the social level immediately below a titled individual and generally tells you they were not titled -- but I understand that Mr could be applied to a knight. The consensus from my queries is that John Hutchins, the author of the "History and Antiquities of the County of Dorset" extracted the above three marriage entries and placed them in an isolated grouping simply to emphasize that the families were prominent.  A distinction that escapes us today. The actual individual parish marriage entries would have been written over time by (probably) the rector(s).  In their use of Mr. and Mrs. the rectors were saying about each couple that they were of gentry class and that the women were never previously married.  This intended information about the martial status of the women is in stark contrast to our modern interpretation which is that all three women were previously married. Good hunting, Bill Churchill Greenville, Texas, USA

Hi Gina: Just go to the Marion County, AR. Home page and Click on Turnbo papers. Colleen

Don, Is this the same Don R. Camp who was married to Elizabeth Faulkenberry 2/1/1891 and Marena Morgan about 1878? He was my great grandfather. Kay Speaks Don Ott wrote: > Well Judy, I have husbands Don R. Camp with four children William, > David, Earnest and Flora Camp. I have second William S. > Bill Dodger Wood and one son David Dodger Wood. I show Don Doshier married > to Ellen Beavers, don't know if this is the same Don Doshier that you > mention. I show Don and Ellen has David, Kirk and Jesse Doshier as children. > I will put this on the Marion County List, I bet there are several > who can get us straight. > Please reply direct to Judy at <jwil@capital.net> and also to the > list <armarion-l@rootsweb.com> > Don Ott > > At 10:18 AM 30-01-01 -0500, you wrote: > >Don: Did Martha J Daffron marry (3) times? I had her married to Newt Kemp > >and Bill "Dodger" Wood. Forgot I'd seen an obit that mentioned Don Doshier. > >Judy > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/

Virtually the entire 1890 census was destroyed by a fire in Washington, DC, I believe in the 1920's. Eldon J. Edgin 14908 Woodbriar Drive Dallas, Texas 75248 Phone: (972) 991-4891 FAX: (214) 306-1535 e-mail: eldon-edgin@.att.net ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken and Judy Jackson" <kenjudyj@ix.netcom.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: 1890 census > I know that in one of the counties of my ancestors, the 1890 census was not > done, burned or something but unavailable. Can someone tell me if it's a > certain northern Arkansas County or is it all counties that the census was > not taken in Arkansas in 1890??? Thanks, Judy > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

For all intents and purposes, the *entire* 1890 for the *entire* country was destroyed in a series of disasters and mismanagements before a single copy of it was made. There are a handful of scattered bits and pieces that survived, but it's extremely minimal. Several counties across the country have done things to try to at least list probable residents during the year 1890. Several AR counties have published tax lists and similar sources. The only AR county I know of that has a *reconstructed* 1890 census is Marion. Helen McMindes used the 1880 census, the 1900 census, real estate and other tax lists, cemetery lists - about everything she could lay her hands on - and produced an alphabetical record of families most probably resident in MCAR in 1890. It's done in a format similar to an actual with birth dates/places, spouse, children, geographic location, etc. If you'll ask your browser for US census 1890 (or similar words), you should get a choice of several sites (including NARA) with detailed information on the loss/destruction of this census. It's a fact well worth knowing about when doing genealogical research. Mysty shakerag@mtnhome.com *********************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken and Judy Jackson <kenjudyj@ix.netcom.com> To: <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: 1890 census I know that in one of the counties of my ancestors, the 1890 census was not done, burned or something but unavailable. Can someone tell me if it's a certain northern Arkansas County or is it all counties that the census was not taken in Arkansas in 1890??? Thanks, Judy

I recently received this and thought I would pass it along for people who think I might be overly sensitive about PLAIN TEXT messages to Rootsweb mail lists. Mine is not the only one experiencing the problem. All the lists experience it from time to time. It's our job as listowners to make others aware of some problems, alleviate them, and make it better for all. Rhio From: Glen <glen@ldscn.com> To: <genealogy@ldscn.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: [GENEALOGY] Some list questions I recently received the following message, and felt that a response to this list would be appropriate. A subscriber wrote: "I am a little confused about how this [list] works. I am receiving lots of "garbled" messages that I cannot read. I am not computer literate enough to know how to adjust my e-mail settings to read the garbled messages. Or I receive postings with the previous postings going back 3 or 4 messages in a chain. Or I read a posting that has a question with answers from some of the [users] - when I haven't even seen the question yet! Is there something I need to do?" 1. The garbled messages are garbled because people who post messages have their mailer program settings set incorrectly. Everyone who uses a list should have their mailer set to: a. Send PLAIN TEXT ONLY. b. Convert Rich Text/Formatted text to Plain Text. c. Disallow MIME messages, Rich Text messages, Formatted messages. Since these are generally not the defaults, and people don't pay attention to our FAQ, this generally doesn't happen. Since each mailer program uses "its own" formatting codes (in an attempt to become "the industry standard") other people see garbled stuff. 2. She cannot adjust her mailer to read garbled mail, only to keep from sending garbled mail. If everyone made such an adjustment, all would be well. Alas, they don't. 3. The postings with previous postings included are again the fault of the senders. People should know that when they reply to a message, they need to NOT INCLUDE the replied-to message text... or, at most, include only one or two lines that might be relevant. But, again, people don't pay attention to our FAQ. They don't pay attention at all, and don't connect with the fact that everyone already read the message that they are now re-sending to the whole list. We actually have people who send one- or two-line replies to a single message that appeared in a digest, and they resend the ENTIRE DIGEST TO THE LIST. Unbelievable, but despite all our attempts to get people to pay attention, they still refuse. 4. As for reading postings with questions they haven't seen yet, there's nothing we can do. What happens often is that someone will ask someone a question privately (off-list), and the answering party thinks that the response would be useful to the whole list, so they send the response to the whole list - which is good, because the information is relevant - but they forget to send the question. I'm going to do this with this message, but I'll include some of the question so people know why I'm sending this answer. The person who asked the original questions touches nicely on the major problems we all experience with lists. It is my hope that everyone will take some time to read this message, read our FAQ, and become educated. This will make the list experience better for everyone. Glen ===================================================================== Check out the help desk at Rootsweb if you haven't checked your e-mail preferences or options. http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/html-off.html

Mysty, I knew I'd hear from you and I thought I'd heard something like what you explained but I didn't need the 1890 for anything then so couldn't remember the story. Thanks as usual for your excellent explanation. Judy