This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Oliver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It is a possibility. I have had that findagrave bookmarked for a couple ofmonths now. The death date is within a year of what I have (1888). The place (Seminole) is possible and fairly near Le Flore County, where I have established he resided. The problem is the middle initial is not his. His middle name was Issac, so it should be an "I", not a "J". I suppose that it's possible there was a mistake and my grandmother just accepted it anyway. I think I shall order the death certificate just to see once and for all. I have no idea why he would have "J" on his tombstone, but there have been stranger things in genealogy I suppose. About a year ago I was ecstatic that I had found his father, William F. Oliver and was going to order his full military records from the Civil War from NARA for $75 or thereabouts ( I had not thought he had served in the military). The date of death was right, the place was right (Howe, OK.) the name was right. Then I realized that the date of birth was off by 10 years and there is no way that my WF Oliver could be 10 years older, with the other records that I did have. I was SO sure I had the right person. But $15 is cheaper than $75 so if I might as well see if this is truly my Thomas. Hopefully, if it is, it will give me a maiden name of his mother which will be a HUGE step in identifying her. Thanks everyone for your responses. You're the best! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It sure looks like it to me, and I hope it is. Thanks for posting this! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bnixon3868 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Is this your Thomas Oliver at http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=50179566&PIpi=26617390 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Jim. Yes, I am trying to think if he would have had to apply for a delayed birth certificate. My grandmother (his wife) had a delayed birth certificate issued to apply for social security. But I can find no evidence of ss application or passport application or anything that might require a birth certificate. He worked the oil rigs in OK, and was a coal miner in his younger years. Most likely those employers did not require proof of birth. I am working on a death certificate, but have no firm place of death, only the state. Also my sources give 2 possible years for death but no actual dates nor town. I am also working on his full sister's (Nola) records. They are very convoluted as she was married at least 3 times and got younger each time a census was taken, probably because her husbands got younger. :) I am trying to find out her year of death. Possibly she applied for a passport or SS. She's had so many last names though! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jimgill77 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Birth records were not even considered or manditory untill 1900's when the states were required to keep them. There may be a "delayed birth record" or "Affidavit of birth" filed if the person later in life was required to have some proof of birth for a job. The 1900 U.S. Census list the month, year of birth. WW1 draft registration list birth. Funeral Home records may have the birth. Jim G Fresno, CA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Oliver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Betty. I do hope they let you have a look at those records. In my opinion, ANY record has genealogical value...maybe not to me, but perhaps to someone out there looking for some string to keep them going. Perhaps they mean they are so damaged as to be illegible (whatever records they might be). This information puts me at an official deadend. I cannot think of any other record that would provide the name of Thomas'mother. Thomas was not in military and had no full brothers (with the same mother) who were in military, he died in 1938 so no social security. Unless he had a delayed birth certificate issued for some reason, I'm not sure where else I can find this information. I have a likely year of death and state, so I will see whether I can get enough info to get a death record. Thanks for your help! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If there were any birth records kept in the courthouse, they no longer exist. I doubt there were any kept in Logan County. I didn't mean to imply there were "illegal" records. I juet meant there were none that would satisfy legal requirements. I was told that there were some old records that had been moved out of the courthouse for storage and that they are in a huge jumble of a mess. However, when I asked about viewing these, I was told there was nothing of any genealogical value in them. I have been promised that if they should ever find anything that would be useful, I will be notified. I check every time I am back there just to be sure I haven't been forgotten. The ladies in the Paris courthouse are super helpful and friendly, and I know they do all they can for us. I wish you luck in your search. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Oliver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Betty. Could you expand a bit on your response? Are you saying that there are no Logan County birth records for that year? I read that the courthouse with records were destroyed but that happened well before 1888. Or are you saying that nobody kept any birth records in Logan County at that time? Is there somewhere "illegal" that these records are kept? Very confused. Tha chances of me finding a family bible with Thomas's birth listed are practically nil. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No, it will not be on file with the Logan County clerk or anywhere else legal for that matter. Your best bet would be to locate a family Bible. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Oliver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can someone tell me if this birth record is likely to be on file with the Logan County Clerk? Since it is pre-1914 I know it is unlikely to be filed with the state vital records. I have the date, Dec. 16, 1888 and the place: Booneville, Arkansas for Thomas Oliver. I cannot find any indexes online or at Family History Library. I'm not sure who to contact that would have this record, if one was filed. Thanks in advance. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I probably have his birthday, but will have to dig it out. If you have access to microfilm records of the Booneville newspaper, you might find it mentioned in it. -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: ARLOGAN-L <ARLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 8:10 am Subject: [ARLOGAN] 1888 Logan County Birth Record This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Oliver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can someone tell me if this birth record is likely to be on file with the Logan County Clerk? Since it is pre-1914 I know it is unlikely to be filed with the state vital records. I have the date, Dec. 16, 1888 and the place: Booneville, Arkansas for Thomas Oliver. I cannot find any indexes online or at Family History Library. I'm not sure who to contact that would have this record, if one was filed. Thanks in advance. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oblizalkamph Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/1158.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John - Hello, I am Vivian Woods Kamph's son, Benjy. I have been working a lot on the Virgil Woods family, and I can send you some information that I've found, using information from Virgil's autobiography. benkamph@yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pamelaenns51 Surnames: Parnell/ Nash/ Carter??? Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3528/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Maybe relatives in Arkansas may have a clue. I sent off for my great great grandmothers death certificate. She died in 1923 at Paint Rock, Jackson, Alabama. She was named Callie Parnell or something close, the certificate is very messy and hard to make out. Her father was Alferd Parnell, he was born in Dent, Missouri probably between 1810-1825. Her mom was Mary Carto, my bet it was suppose to be Mary Carter. Callie was born in 1850 in Wayne County Tennessee. Callie married William M.(Bud)Nash either in Tenn.or Alabama. They had children in both of those states. Many of the kids moved to Arkansas and Mississippi. Does this info provide enough information that someone might recognize some small bit and may be able to help. I am at a deadend. I can not find out anything about when William Nash died or much else then what I just mentioned. Thanks for your time! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: azgaf123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3527.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thank you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ThomasKer2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3527.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not related to this person. 1880 - Name: William A. Gowdy [William N. Gowdy] Home in 1880: Reville, Logan, Arkansas Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Birthplace: Alabama Father's birthplace: Alabama Mother's birthplace: Alabama Occupation: Farmer Marital Status: Single < < < < < < < Race: White Gender: Male David C. Wadkins 41 Margret R. Wadkins 27 Lucinda S. Wadkins 6 William A. Wadkins 4 Martha C. Wadkins 2 Wm. D. Maddox 23 William A. Gowdy 21 = farmer 1900 - 1930 William Gowdy is not listed WHO did he marry ??? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: snakehere Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/130.136.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You are related to me through William Monroe Green and Rutha Loyd. I believe you are related to a Vernon Thomas , now deceased and he had a brother that I believe worked for the Cherokee Nation . Would like to discuss the Thomas family and your Ferba more. Wanda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: YvonneMorgan22 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3433.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have not added that pic just yet. Will soon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: azgaf123 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3527/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I need help please. I have a family member William Newton Gowdy and his family that in Logan County Arkansas from 1880 (per census) to around 1894 (per family) when they moved. What I am trying to find out is where for sure in Logan County did they live? What township, town ect ect. Can anyone help me please? Thank you for your time and help. Fred G Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Obits101 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3526/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ...are there any Logan County Volunteers who do obituary lookups? I know there used to be a few at the library but I have lost contact. Would like to inquire as to if there are any others, as one or a few would be great. They are also needed on the RAOGK site...much needed I might add. Thank You in Advance ????? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Obits101 Surnames: Bryant Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3525/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Daily Oklahoman 12-23-1929 p.24 Cave-In Victim's Body Sent Away The body of Edward Bryant, victim of a basement cave-in on West Main street Saturday morning, was sent to Booneville, Ark., Sunday night, according to Garrison funeral home officials. Booneville is the man's former home and his mother and other relatives live there. ***posted for genealogical purposes only; no relation*** Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.