This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hang in there, girl! I once called the office in Little Rock after receiving a letter telling me a search did not reveal the death certificate I had requested. Luckily I happened to have the number of the certificate, and I asked them to look to see whose name was on that certificate. Well, what do you know? It was the name I had requested that they could not find. I got my certificate in the next mail! Do you suppose Tom died elsewhere and was taken back for burial? That could explain why there is no death certificate for him in the county you think it should be in. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Oliver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Betty. On the application sheet it says that records began to be filed in 1908, but it became mandatory in 1917. There should be a record for him somewhere. I think I am going to re-submit with a photo of the findagrave and the information of a middle initial "J" or possibly "I", even though the death record application specifically states that they search the proper name AND variations of the name, ie. "Tom", as well as derivatives such as initials ie. "T.J. Oliver". Hopefully the photo of the grave stone will motivate the searcher that there definitely IS (or should be) a death record for Thomas in Seminole County. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Janet. What I am trying to do is find the name of my grandfather Thomas's biological mother. Ollie really was my grandmother's name. :) Nee Ollie May Brannon, but that doesn't quite have the ring of Ollie Oliver, does it? ;) I was hoping the death certificate for Thomas might give me some maternal lineage information. This REALLY puts me at a dead end. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oklahoma may be like Arkansas. Arkansas started keeping death records in 1914, but it was in the 1940s before every death had to be reported. If the burial did not go through a funeral home, and most did not, people were not required to report it to the state until the mid-1940s. If that is the case in Oklahoma, then you may not be able to get a death certificate. I know it is frustrating, but it is a boat we have all been in, unfortunately. This is not a case of misery loves company. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JNewell07 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I can't seem to find the beginning of this thread but I don't have any information anyway. I just had a thought related to your grandmother Ollie. Was her first name Ollie or was that a nickname for Grandmother Oliver?? Also, maybe Thomas was married before and the first wife died in childbirth and he married again? Sometimes we get so stuck in what we think we know that we don't consider other options--thinking outside the box so to speak. :-) Good luck! Janet Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Well Pooh! I received a letter back from the Oklahoma Vital Records that they were unable to locate a death record for Thomas. The letter said they searched years 1937-1957 and searched all counties. They cashed my check but will do one more search if I give them more specific information. I did not include his middle initial in my request because again, the uncertainty of his true middle initial, but I included all the information from the tombstone plus his spouse's name and the county of Seminole. How can this be? The letter says that "All our records date back to October of 1908". If I want them to look again I need to include more information and I just don't know what more I can include unless the middle initial "J", but then it might be "I" on the death certificate. I am so disappointed! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pamelaenns51 Surnames: Parnell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3528.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. I found Callie and Alferd Parnell. Thank you . the information under Lisa Family Tree is in error so the info about Caroline Powell is in error. I appreciate all your efforts and help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pamelaenns51 Surnames: Powell/ Nash/ Sanders Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3528.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your research and the information you provided. I guess I need to be searching for Alfred Powell. The death certificate for Callie is extremely hard to make out, that was the last name (Parnell)as best I could tell. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ThomasKer2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3528.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not related to this family. Facts you should know about the early census records - All census records [1790 - 1840] prior to the 1850 census ONLY listed the head of household; whether male or female. NO specific age was stated for any family member NO place of birth was stated - city, state, or country NO city, town, or village is stated - only the county; however some census takers listed the township NO street address was stated NO marital status was stated - single, married, widowed, or divorced NO family relationship was stated - brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, wife, inlaw, etc. NO occupation was stated NO parental birthplaces are stated NO race was stated [but assume "white"] 1850, 1860 & 1870 census records do not show family relationships or parental birthplaces. Step children are not enumerated as "step" children Adopted children are not enumerated as "adopted" Grand children are not enumerated as "grand children" Orphaned children were not enumerated as "orphan" 1850 is the 1st census that shows all family members 1880 is the 1st census that shows parental birthplaces Alfred does not appear on any census 1880 - Name: Bud Nash Home in 1880: Jackson, Alabama Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Birthplace: Tennessee Relation to head-of-household: Self (Head) Spouse's name: Callie Nash Occupation: Painter Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Bud Nash 28, TN - painter Callie Nash 23, TN = cannot read or write [1857] Mattie Nash 8, TN Bettie Nash 6, TN John Nash 7, TN Ellar Nash 4, TN [1876] Eumphry Nash 5m, Jan. '90 ALA 1900,- Callie Nash does not appear on the Jackson, ALa census. 1910 - this page is badly faded & difficult to read Name: Calime Nash Age in 1910: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Birthplace: Tennessee Relation to Head of House: Wife Father's Birth Place: Tennessee Mother's Birth Place: Tennessee Spouse's name: William M Nash Home in 1910: Paint Rock, Jackson, Alabama Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Female William M Nash 64, TN = married 40 yrs, house painter Calime Nash 60, TN Jack Nash 35, ALA Denns Nash 24, ALA Bennett Nash 20, ALA Blanch Nash 22, ALA 1920 - Name: Caroline Nash [Caroline Wash] Home in 1920: Paint Rock, Jackson, Alabama Age: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Birthplace: Tennessee Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's name: William M Nash Father's Birth Place: Tennessee Mother's Birth Place: Tennessee Marital Status: Married Race: White Sex: Female Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes William M Nash 73, TN = farmer Caroline Nash 68, TN Kellie Nash 7, ARK = g/dau 1930 - William is not listed marriage record - Groom's Name: W. W. Sanders Groom's Birth Date: 1873 Groom's Birthplace: Groom's Age: 21 Bride's Name: Eller Nash [see 1880 census] Bride's Birth Date: 1876 Bride's Birthplace: Bride's Age: 18 Marriage Date: 10 Sep 1894 Marriage Place: Paint Rock, Jackson, Alabama Groom's Father's Name: Groom's Mother's Name: Bride's Father's Name: Bride's Mother's Name: Groom's Race: White Groom's Marital Status: Single Groom's Previous Wife's Name: Bride's Race: White Bride's Marital Status: Single Bride's Previous Husband's Name: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M74578-3 System Origin: Alabama-EASy Source Film Number: 1018436 Reference Number: Page 9-B Collection: Alabama Marriages, 1816-1957 Caroline [Callie] Powell b. March 9, 1850 in Tennessee d. August, 8, 1924 in Paint Rock, Jackson, Alabama Ellar Nash [dau] August 19, 1877 in Tennessee December 31, 1959 in Lockney, Texas she married - William Walter Sanders b. Dec 1871 in Tennessee d. July 19, 1933 in Drew County, Arkansas marriage date - 9/10/1894 at Paint Rock, ALA Arkansas Death Index, 1914-1950 Name: William Walter Sanders Death Day: 19 Death Month: Jul Death Year: 1933 County: Drew Buried outside the fence at Tyro Cemetery 1900 - Name: Walter W Sanders [Walter Sanders] Home in 1900: Civil District 23, Lincoln, Tennessee Age: 28 Birth Date: Dec 1871 Birthplace: Tennessee Race: White Gender: Male Relationship to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: Tennessee Mother's Birthplace: Tennessee Spouse's name: Ella Sanders Marriage Year: 1895 Marital Status: Married Years Married: 5 Occupation: farmer Walter W Sanders 28 Ella Sanders 22, 10/77 TN Clifton Sanders 4, 9/95 TN Callie Sanders 2, 11/97 TN [named after g/mother] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolHuff17 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3530.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks for your reply. I can now throw away the note that I have had in one of my paper stacks since Nov. of 1995. Carol Williams Huff Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: evelynberry55 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3530.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: my name is evelyn berry married darrell berry son of robert son of oscar and rose lee black berry. i think mary"mollie" elizabeth williams married john wesley black father of rose lee black berry. have some info what do you want to know my email is eberry22555@yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3530.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary J. Williams, b. May 15, 1846; d. November 21, 1891, bu. Mountain Cemetery, was the wife of Jesse R. Williams and the daughter of Edmond and Mary Jane (Tabler) Suggs. I don't think she is the one you are looking for. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CarolHuff17 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3530/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Logan Co., AR Cemetery Records Volume III lists a Mary Williams bn 1840 died 1891 Buried Mountain Cemetery Does anyone know anything at all about this woman. I am seeking GGrandmother Mary Elizabeth Graddy Williams who died in W.AR in 1891. Any leads or help would be appreciated. Carol Williams Huff Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lisacurbow Surnames: Curbow Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3495.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I just found Edward Odell Curbow was in Tyler, Tx for the birth of his son Charles in 1934. it peaked my interest because our Curbow family has been in Tyler, Tx since around 1919. I did see where Charles moved to MO. I think. Look @ www.rcasey.net/master/shejphn.htm. I hope I wrote it down right. I was trying to see the relation to us but can't find enough info to tell Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'd have bet his middle name was Isaiah based on the Izzia written by the draft recorder. I wouldn't have said Issac. Just shows to go! As for the economic situation of the people governing their record keeping, I don't think that had a lot to do with it because there weren't a lot of people then who had money. I think some people kept records and some didn't. It is pretty much the same today. I know many people who can't even tell me the full names of their grandparents, much less the names of their great-grandparents and aunts and uncles. They will say, "They were gone by the time I was born," or "They died when I was little, and I never really knew them." I find that so sad! Good luck in your search! I'm glad the tombstone turned out to be the right one. Have you considered that the tombstone inscriber misread an I for a J? The stone of my mother's little brother has his name misspelled. It says Gene Ivan when his name was Gene Iven. The latter is pronounced! with a short i and was my great-grandfather's name. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Oliver Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It sure could, Betty. And I have looked at the censuses, and definitely the "J"s could be "I"s, it's hard to tell. I looked at his draft card to see how he signed it and his signature is unreadable really. Looks more like a middle name with an "I". The Draft recruiter worte it as Izzia. Also, family history has his middle name as Issac. My Aunt (his oldest daughter) wrote down some genealogical info for us and wrote his middle name as Issac. I know Thomas had a nephew named Issac too, so maybe it is a family name. The whole thing is a mystery and hopefully we will solve it soon. One thing I am finding out is that names, family relationships, etc. just wasn't so important to some people back then. This side of the family was dirt poor and I think they just scrabbled to survive and so I don't think there was a lot of effort in remembering family connections and names etc. There really is no family "paperwork" or pictures or records that have been passed down to family members.! Maybe he had two middle names! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bettyccrn Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It is very possible that the middle initial you are reading in those records is not an I but is really a J. Census takers often wrote the initial J completely above the line, making it appear to be an I. Could that be the case here? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: UPDATE!!! Regarding the Findagrave photo...I was speaking to my cousin yesterday about genealogy and she sent me this photo this photo via email. It shows her dad (my uncle) and Gr. Uncle Bud (Thomas 1/2 brother) in front of this same tombstone. Why his initial is "J" is beyond us when it is "I" in other records. A mystery. I did send off for the death certificate a few days ago before I received this photo so perhaps the middle initial mystery will be resolved when I get that back. Thanks again everyone for your help and suggestions. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MartheLawton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No, that is a different Thomas Oliver. My Thomas married my grandmother Ollie Dec. 25, 1911 in Poteau. I do have copies of the marriage certificate and also the license, but there is no information there as to who Thomas mother was. I appreciate the suggestion though! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Neosha51 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.logan/3529.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could this be his marriage record? Groom Thomas Oliver Groom's Age 22 Groom's Estimated Birth Year 1888 Groom's Residence Heavener, La Flore, Oklahoma Bride Agnes Clark Bride's Name 17 Bride's Estimated Birth Year 1893 Bride's Residence Heavener, La Flore, Oklahoma Marriage Date 17 Dec 1910 Marriage License Date 17 Dec 1910 Marriage Place , Logan, Arkansas, United States Film number 1027125 Source Arkansas County Marriage Records, 1837-1957 >From FamilySearch.org Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.