This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: iamflj Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.littleriver/1153.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Raydene, the James Dare I saw in Cleveland OK in 1890 is on Ancestry's "Oklahoma, Territorial Census, 1890 and 1907". The index information does not give his place of birth, but it looks like it could be Illinois. I haven't found second or middle names for the Dorer family members who were in RR in the 1890's. Alfred can be left out as a possibility -- I know his history. Louis was born in 1868, and census records say Indiana was place of birth. By 1870 the family was in Illinois. There is a RR marriage, 9 Dec 1887 between him (I think) and A.F. Petty. Reference for that is "Red River County Marriage Records, 1886-1894, page 295; marriage performed by E.C. Martin". That would seem to exclude him. Always possible he remarried after that. The third son Samuel, born 1873 Illinois, married Abigail McClendon 4 Aug 1899 in Red River. That was 6 months after Lucretia married Samuel Johnson. Samuel Dorer was 26, so I've thought he could have had an earlier first marriage, but can't find any earlier record. I think I found the Louis Doerr you saw on the 1880 Illinois census. His mother was Gertrude, his father John, and in 1900 he's living with a married sister, Elizabeth Wachter. His age does not match the 1880 census, but she is Elizabeth Dorer Wachter and her 1900 address is on the father's 1902 death certificate. Louis Dorer's occupation on the 1900 census is 'railroad clerk'. His father was a 'lumberman'. I don't find any Arkansas link. Louis (died 1907), father John, and Elizabeth Wachter are all buried in the same cemetery in Chicago. I looked at the 1890 tax list and don't see Duncans from Lucretia's family. I've seen mortgage documents for E. and T.J. Duncan in LR from about 1882 to 1888. (Didn't make copies, unfortunately). These were Lucretia's father and brother Elijah and Thomas Jefferson Duncan. They were farming -- I don't know if they owned the land they farmed. I need to go back and get copies of those. By 1890 they may have moved or been on the way to Yell -- not sure. Franklin Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.