Help, i have a ss# number that will not pull up of someone who died in 1985. I am trying to find out her last name at time of death so i could order a death cert...... thanks list Recail

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/nalabama/index.html Due to error, my Web Site is back on the Internet and working. Please pay attention to page 10.. Family Info. I am using it as a page of "Others Helping Others".If you have questions, stories, folk lore, ancestors related to famous people, anything that will bring our families. I have an index page to let you know who is included in our families and I am sure you on the list of these families have others you are looking Don't forget my friend who works on old pictures. He has taken two of mine and made them just beautiful. Harold sent me a lovely email, honoring my great grandpapa. Just anything with human interest among us who are looking under every rock and beating the bushes for our ancestors. It is such a great feeling to have my Web Site back up. I look forward to hearing from you all. Sandra maiden name Waldrop Georgia

http://www.angelfire.com/folk/nalabama/index.html I sent my Web Site out on page 9 and it should be on index page. With this his correction you will be able to see all 9 pages. I had 495 hits on the main page and when I visited page 9 there was almost 1800 hits. I knew then something was wrong. I am adding a new link so I can add other's links that are listed on my surname page. This way all others will be able to share on my Website and reach one another. I will put as many as I can . Sorry, I sent you the Site starting on page nine. I am looking forward to your visits. With affection, to the old Broad( she refers to herself as the old Broad) 74 years old, I am working on entering many , many ancestor pictures. I know you were disappointed but, keep looking, I will be posting pictues of my ancestors that was even taken on the old tin type. Don't give up on me. Sandra maiden name Waldrop

According to the 1895 Atlas it is in Polk County. Here is the map for Polk County http://www.livgenmi.com/polkAR.htm Good luck. Nancy Matthews nlmatthews@ritternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheryl Slaughter" <midwest@duo-county.com> To: <ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 05:11 AM Subject: [ARKANSAS] Bulger, AR? > I have run across two entries naming a birth place as Bulger, Arkansas. > Can't find it on any map or listing. > > Can anyone help? > > --Sheryl Neal Slaughter > > > ==== ARKANSAS Mailing List ==== > We have archives!! http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have run across two entries naming a birth place as Bulger, Arkansas. Can't find it on any map or listing. Can anyone help? --Sheryl Neal Slaughter

If you have time please look at my Web Site and see if your ancestor are listed. I still have more pictures , stories, History and picture. But I wanted to be sure to include and add informations that others might have. http://www.angelfire.com/folk/nalabama/page9.html Thanks, Sandra maiden name Waldrop Georgia

August 20, 1915 MOB SHOOTS PRISONER TO DEATH A mob of about 15 men held the jailer at Osceola up at the point of their guns late Thursday afternoon and entering the jail, shot Andy Crum, a white man to death and then took their departure. Crum, it will be remembered, was arrested as one of the ringleaders in the bootlegging business on Island No. 37 in the Mississippi River July 31. Crum had claimed and controlled the greater part of the island for many years and had a negro colony of 15 or 20 on the island with him. In the raid, Sheriff Mualdin was killed by a negro named Bert Spring, who in turn was so badly wounded in the fight that he died in the Marion Jail from blood poisoning Wednesday morning. None of the other prisoners were harmed by the mob. At the very time Crum was being shot to death in his cell by the mob, his attorney, Clyde Goings of Memphis, was applying for a writ of habes corpus before Judge Youmans at Fort Smith, to remove the case of Crum and the other prisoners from the state to the federal courts, but the writ was denied by Judge Youmans. Island No. 37 has been a lawless place for many years and has been a rendezvous for bootleggers and hiding place for criminals for many years. But the fact that the citizens, enraged at the death of Sheriff Mauldin, burned every shack on the island, this criminal pest hole has been thoroughly obliterated. Fran Alverson Warren e-mail: alverson@valuelinx.net 479-369-2703 http://www.crawfordcountyarkansas.net/

Hi, A wonderful lady in Craighead County was able to find the marriage for my William F. Campbell and Roseada Gibson in the indexes for Green County; and I was wondering if someone in that area might be able to help me get a copy. It's in book 37:431. I tried the Greene County list, but received no response. This would really help me out. I haven't been able to learn the parent's names for my William F. Campbell through any other means, and this is my last shot. Thanks so much, ~Michelle

I live in Tahlequah OK, were, were the Jitney Jungle Groceries, my Husband is from Tulsa??? Barbara in OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Barnes" <robteb@msn.com> To: <ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [ARKANSAS] What were Jitney Cars??? > There used to be some "Jitney Jungle" grocery stores in Tulsa. > > Robert Barnes > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nichols, Sharon L." <SNichols@oaklandnet.com> > To: <ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:35 PM > Subject: RE: [ARKANSAS] What were Jitney Cars??? > > > > Jitney is an old term for taxis. I know because my great-grandmother > > never > > called a cab or a taxi--always a jitney. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fran Warren [mailto:alverson@valuelinx.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:56 AM > > To: ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ARKANSAS] What were Jitney Cars??? > > > > > > Does anyone know what a Jitney was? I've noticed a lot of news items about > > them in the 1914 and 1915 newspapers > > > > July 30, 1915 > > Van Buren Press-Argus > > JITNEY LINE TO SHIBLEY AND ALMA > > > > Some of the former Jitney Owners have established a line of jitneys > > between > > Fort Smith and Alma and are being very liberally patronized. The cars are > > making three round trips daily, having a regular schedule. > > > > During the busy fruit season that is now on, there will be much use of > > Jitneys between Van Buren and Alma, and especially between Van Buren and > > Shibley where the Van Buren Fruit Growers' Union is loading peaches. > > > > Fran Alverson Warren > > e-mail: alverson@valuelinx.net > > 479-369-2703 > > http://www.crawfordcountyarkansas.net/ > > > > > > ==== ARKANSAS Mailing List ==== > > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > > helpful > > site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== ARKANSAS Mailing List ==== > > ListAdministrator of Arkansas-L > > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ARKANSAS Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Back in the 1950s in San Francisco, a jitney was an oversized car used like a taxi. My Gram always called taxis "jitneys". Carol

Hi, In Chicago, Jitney cars were cabs that roperated on one of the main boulevards, namely South Park (laterit became King Drive). The Jitney picked up fares at some point on South Park and dropped off the fares at another point on South Park.. JaJa

When we go to the beach in MD, we always take the jitney for a small fee, from point to point across town. It is a small bus that makes regular stops all day long throughout the beach area. Fran powell@closecall.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nichols, Sharon L. <SNichols@oaklandnet.com> To: <ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: RE: [ARKANSAS] What were Jitney Cars??? > Jitney is an old term for taxis. I know because my great-grandmother never > called a cab or a taxi--always a jitney.

Fran asked: >Does anyone know what a Jitney was? I've noticed a lot of news items about them in the 1914 and 1915 newspapers. --------------------------------- From: TAXI-L Gallery of Cab History http://www.taxi-l.org/bt01-14.htm (includes photo of 1915 jitney) "In 1914, all over North America, car owners discovered that they could make a lot of money by cruising the street car stops and offering rides to impatient passengers at a nickel a head. The current slang term for a nickel was "jitney", and that name was quickly transferred to the vehicles that provided this service." "Most jitneys were seven-passenger touring cars but they were often loaded far beyond their nominal capacity. Passengers who couldn't jam themselves inside would stand on the running boards."

There used to be some "Jitney Jungle" grocery stores in Tulsa. Robert Barnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nichols, Sharon L." <SNichols@oaklandnet.com> To: <ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [ARKANSAS] What were Jitney Cars??? > Jitney is an old term for taxis. I know because my great-grandmother > never > called a cab or a taxi--always a jitney. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fran Warren [mailto:alverson@valuelinx.net] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:56 AM > To: ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ARKANSAS] What were Jitney Cars??? > > > Does anyone know what a Jitney was? I've noticed a lot of news items about > them in the 1914 and 1915 newspapers > > July 30, 1915 > Van Buren Press-Argus > JITNEY LINE TO SHIBLEY AND ALMA > > Some of the former Jitney Owners have established a line of jitneys > between > Fort Smith and Alma and are being very liberally patronized. The cars are > making three round trips daily, having a regular schedule. > > During the busy fruit season that is now on, there will be much use of > Jitneys between Van Buren and Alma, and especially between Van Buren and > Shibley where the Van Buren Fruit Growers' Union is loading peaches. > > Fran Alverson Warren > e-mail: alverson@valuelinx.net > 479-369-2703 > http://www.crawfordcountyarkansas.net/ > > > ==== ARKANSAS Mailing List ==== > Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most > helpful > site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ARKANSAS Mailing List ==== > ListAdministrator of Arkansas-L > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I lived in St. Louis 1953 -56, and there were jutney there competing with the inter city bus lines. George in Leeds, AL

Van Buren Press-Argus August 13, 1915 VERDICT OF ACCIDENTAL DEATH At the final session of the inquest conducted by Coroner Hollenbeck to determine just how C H Thomas met his death at the Iron Mountain icing station Thursday night, a verdict of accidental death was returned without attempting to fix the responsibility. Coroner Hollenbeck learned from some source that Thomas’ wife resided in the southwestern portion of the state and a message was sent, but so far no reply has been received. The body has been embalmed and will be held in the local morgue for a few days longer and in the event they are unable to locate any relatives, the body will be buried. Fran Alverson Warren e-mail: alverson@valuelinx.net 479-369-2703 http://www.crawfordcountyarkansas.net/

Jitney is an old term for taxis. I know because my great-grandmother never called a cab or a taxi--always a jitney. -----Original Message----- From: Fran Warren [mailto:alverson@valuelinx.net] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:56 AM To: ARKANSAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ARKANSAS] What were Jitney Cars??? Does anyone know what a Jitney was? I've noticed a lot of news items about them in the 1914 and 1915 newspapers July 30, 1915 Van Buren Press-Argus JITNEY LINE TO SHIBLEY AND ALMA Some of the former Jitney Owners have established a line of jitneys between Fort Smith and Alma and are being very liberally patronized. The cars are making three round trips daily, having a regular schedule. During the busy fruit season that is now on, there will be much use of Jitneys between Van Buren and Alma, and especially between Van Buren and Shibley where the Van Buren Fruit Growers' Union is loading peaches. Fran Alverson Warren e-mail: alverson@valuelinx.net 479-369-2703 http://www.crawfordcountyarkansas.net/ ==== ARKANSAS Mailing List ==== Check out other genealogy resources on the net at John Fuller's most helpful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone know what a Jitney was? I've noticed a lot of news items about them in the 1914 and 1915 newspapers July 30, 1915 Van Buren Press-Argus JITNEY LINE TO SHIBLEY AND ALMA Some of the former Jitney Owners have established a line of jitneys between Fort Smith and Alma and are being very liberally patronized. The cars are making three round trips daily, having a regular schedule. During the busy fruit season that is now on, there will be much use of Jitneys between Van Buren and Alma, and especially between Van Buren and Shibley where the Van Buren Fruit Growers’ Union is loading peaches. Fran Alverson Warren e-mail: alverson@valuelinx.net 479-369-2703 http://www.crawfordcountyarkansas.net/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Langford" <judy@fpchuntsville.com> To: <LANGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: [LANGFORD-L] Fw: Facts & Genes from Family Tree DNA We need more participants for the LANGFORD DNA Project!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <editor@familytreedna.com> To: <judy@fpchuntsville.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Facts & Genes from Family Tree DNA > Facts & Genes from Family Tree DNA > ================================== > October 12, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 9 > > In This Issue > ============= > Editor's Corner > In the News: Family Tree Announcements > Genetic Genealogy: Selecting a Vendor > Interpreting Results: The Ancestral Result > Recruiting Participants: Cost Justify the Price > Case Studies in Genetic Genealogy > Spot Light: Mangum Surname Project > In the Next Issue > > > Editor's Corner > =============== > > Welcome to this issue of Facts & Genes. > > Family Tree DNA now has over 650 Surname Projects! October is Family > History month, and a terrific time to start a Surname Project if one > doesn't exist for your surname. It may seem overwhelming to start a > Surname Project, though it really isn't. Family Tree DNA is available by > phone and email to help you each step of the way. > > To determine if a Surname Project exists for your surname, click on the > link below to search. You can enter your Surname in the search box in the > upper right, or select a letter of the alphabet, and view all the Surname > Projects at Family Tree DNA for that letter of the alphabet. The number > to the right of each letter of the alphabet is a count of the number of > Surname Projects which start with that letter of the alphabet. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp > > If you have been thinking about taking a Genetic Genealogy test, why not > celebrate Family History month by ordering a DNA test. If you are having > trouble deciding which test would be best for you, contact us, and we will > help. > > Customer Service: http://www.familytreedna.com/contact.html > Surname Projects: bcg@familytreedna.com > > If you are wondering when you will receive the results for your first DNA > test, log into your Personal Page at familytreedna.com. > > To log into your Personal Page, go to familytreedna.com. On the right you > will see a box titled: My FTDNA. Enter your kit number and password, and > click submit. > > If you are waiting for your first test results from Family Tree DNA, your > Personal Page will tell you when those results are expected. The > information shown is an estimate, and time frames may vary. Please note > that the information is only shown for your first test. If you have > already taken a test at Family Tree DNA, and ordered another test, we do > not currently show the status of that test. > > We at Family Tree DNA would like to thank everyone for his or her > suggestions, comments, and submissions. Your input is appreciated. Send > your comments, suggestions, tips, questions, and tell us about your > Surname Project to: editor@FamilyTreeDNA.com. We hope you enjoy this > issue. > > > > In the News: Family Tree DNA Announcements > ========================================== > > On your Personal Results Page for either Y DNA results or mtDNA results, > there is now a selection called: Understanding Your Results. If you click > on this selection, you will find information to help you understand your > results. This is the same information that comes in an envelope with your > certificate of results. Having the information online provides you with > quick access to this information. > > For Group Administrators, when you visit your Members Page, you can now > see which tests each participant has taken by hovering your mouse over > their kit number. > > Our Y DNA Recent Ethnic Origins database continues to grow. This database > is updated every two weeks. We currently have 15640 results, from 115 > countries. To search the Recent Ethnic Origins database: > > - log into familytreedna.com with your kit number and password > - click on the selection "Recent Ethnic Origins" on your Personal Page > > The New York Times ran an article on September 27, 2003 regarding the > results of a study of the > Y Chromosome Evidence of the Multiple Origins of Ashkenazi Levites. The > scientific paper on which this article was based utilized the standard > 12-marker Y-DNA test available from Family Tree DNA. To read the > scientific paper, click on the link below: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Levite%20paper.pdf > > To better serve our customers, Family Tree DNA has added staff. To > determine the best person to contact, simply click on the link below. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/contact.html > > > > Genetic Genealogy: Selecting a vendor > ===================================== > > If you are considering utilizing Genetic Genealogy testing for your family > history research, an important decision is the vendor you select. When > you are reading about Genetic Genealogy and encountering new terms, it > might appear overwhelming and complicated to select a vendor. This > article provides an analytical approach that can be used for vendor > selection. > > To help you with vendor selection, two charts of the factors to consider > when selecting a vendor are shown below. The first chart is for selecting > a vendor for Y DNA testing, and the second chart is for selecting a vendor > for mtDNA testing. For those items which are not subject to bias, the > information for Family Tree DNA is shown. > > It is recommended that you first review the chart, and cross off any items > that are not important to you. You can also add any criteria to the > chart that is important to you. Then, you simply fill in the chart for > the vendors you are considering. > > You will notice that only a few items in the chart are completed for > Family Tree DNA. We have only entered items that are quantifiable, so > that this article is not biased. For example, we show the number of > markers we test, since this item does not involve a judgement, it is a > statement of fact. On the other hand, we did not enter a result for the > responsiveness of our customer service. You can make your own > determination by contacting us with your questions. > > The item labeled Price is also blank for Family Tree DNA. You would enter > either our standard pricing or our Surname Project pricing, depending on > whether you are considering a Surname Project or testing for your family > tree. > > > > Select a Vendor for Y DNA testing > ================================= > > Item Family Tree DNA Vendor > ---- ---------------- -------- > > Number of Y DNA Markers tested 12 or 25 > > Price > > Project Pricing Available Yes > > Project management Fee No > > Haplogroup estimated Yes > > Online Matching Yes > > Recent Ethnic Origins Database Yes > > Haplogroup Test Yes > > Project management tools Yes > > Responsive customer service > > DNA Storage 25 years included > > Certificate with results Yes > > > > > The chart below is to be used to evaluate vendors for mtDNA testing. > > > > > Select a Vendor for mtDNA testing > ================================= > > Item Family Tree DNA Vendor 2 > ---- ---------------- -------- > > Test HVR-1 Yes 540 base pairs > Test HVR-2 Yes 510 base pairs > > Price > > Project Pricing Available Yes > > Project management Fee No > > Online Matching Yes > > Project management tools Yes > > Responsive customer service > > DNA Storage 25 years included > > Certificate with results Yes > > > > > > > The criteria in the charts above are the most important factors for > selecting a vendor. If you have any additional criteria that are > important to you, simply add the criteria to the chart. > > If you have any questions, please contact us: info@familytreedna.com > > > > Interpreting Results: Determine the Ancestral Result > ==================================================== > > Determining the Ancestral Result for the 12 or 25 marker Y DNA test can > provide valuable information. The Ancestral Result is also useful when > comparing the results of different Lines of a surname. The Ancestral > Result is determined when we have a 25/25 match between two branches of > the tree for the most distant ancestor. > > In this article, we will follow the testing steps taken for a family tree > to determine the Ancestral Result. > > In our example, the most distant ancestor in the family tree had several > sons, but only 1 son who had descendents. This son had 5 sons. Each of > the 5 sons had male descendents, who then also had male descendents. > Below is a family tree, showing male descendents: > > > > > Founder > > Son: The only son who had descendents > > The children of the Son and their descendents: > > Grandson 1 > G-Grandson 1-1 > GG-Grandson 1-1-1 > Grandson 2 > G-Grandson 2-1 > GG-Grandson 2-1-1 > Grandson 3 > G-Grandson 3-1 > GG-Grandson 3-1-1 > GG-Grandson 3-1-2 > Grandson 4 > G-Grandson 4-1 > G-Grandson 4-2 > G-Grandson 4-3 > GG-Grandson 4-3-1 > GG-Grandson 4-3-2 > GG-Grandson 4-3-3 > GG-Grandson 4-3-4 > GG-Grandson 4-3-5 > Grandson 5 > G-Grandson 5-1 > > > > > > The males in the family tree above are labeled to reflect their Grandson > and their status, such as 1-1 would be a son of grandson 1, and 3-1-2 > would be a descendent of grandson 3. > > Initially, a descendent of Grandson 1 and Grandson 3 participated. These > participants were: > GG-Grandson 1-1-1 > GG-Grandson 3-1-1 > > > In the chart below, the 25 Marker results are shown for these two > participants. Mutations are underlined. > > > > Son 1-1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 15 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 > 11 11 14 16 > > Son 3-1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 16 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 30 > 11 11 14 16 > -- -- > > > > As you can see, there was a 23/25 match between these two participants. > Since these participants are closely related, a 25/25 match was expected. > > When you only have two participants and compare their results, there is no > evidence as to which of the participants have the mutations. Therefore, a > participant is selected at random to designate his results as the one with > the mutations. Which participant has the mutations may change as more > participants are tested. For example, it may turn out that Son 3-1-1 > above actually is the Ancestral result, and Son 1-1-1 has the mutations. > > Since the results do not match, we also can "not" determine the ancestral > result, which would be the result for the Son of the Founder. We need a > 25/25 match between two branches of descendents to determine the result > for the most distant ancestor of these descendents. In our example, it is > also slightly more complicated. The Founder only had one son who had male > descendents. We should be able to determine the Ancestral result for the > son of the founder. Since the founder did not have multiple sons with > male descendents, we will have no way to validate the founder's result. > Our best case will be to determine the result for the founder's son, and > then say that it is "most likely" that the Founder had the same result, > since mutations occur about every 500 generations per marker. > > The next step in our project to determine the Ancestral result, was to > test the father of the participant 1-1-1. Often it is difficult to find > the ideal participant, which would have been a descendent of Son 2, 4, or > 5. Having found a willing participant, we proceeded to test 1-1. The > results now with the three participants are shown below: > > > > > Son 1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 16 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 > 11 11 14 16 > > Son 1-1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 15 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 > 11 11 14 16 > -- > Son 3-1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 16 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 30 > 11 11 14 16 > -- > > > > > In our example above, notice that our determination of the mutations has > changed. By testing the father (1-1) of Son 1-1-1, we determined that > 1-1-1 had a mutation. It is unusual to see a mutation in a current > generation, but it does happen. > > In addition, we are closer to determining the Ancestral result. Between > the two branches shown, the branch for Son 1 and the branch for Son 3, > there is a 24/25 result. > > > Our next participant is 4-3-1. The chart below shows the results of the 4 > participants: > > > > Son 1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 16 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 > 11 11 14 16 > > Son 1-1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 15 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 > 11 11 14 16 > -- > Son 3-1-1: 15 23 15 10 15 16 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 30 > 11 11 14 16 > -- > Son 4-3-1: 15 23 15 10 15 16 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 > 11 11 14 16 > > > > > The chart above shows that we have succeeded in determining the Ancestral > Result. The Ancestral Result is determined when we have a 25/25 match > between two branches of the family tree for this most distant ancestor. > The ancestral result is: > > 15 23 15 10 15 16 13 13 11 14 12 30 16 8 9 11 11 26 15 20 29 11 11 14 16 > > In our first chart above, notice that we selected the mutation of 30 > correctly. This was just sheer luck, since we had no evidence at the time > as to which result, 29 or 30, would be the mutation. > > In our example, we tested 4 participants to determine the ancestral > result. The number of participants required to get a 25/25 match varies. > In some cases, as little as 2 participants from distant branches will lead > to a 25/25 result. In other cases, 3 or more participants may be > required. > > Determining the Ancestral Result is valuable. When we do a comparison to > other Lines of this surname, we want to do the comparison using the > Ancestral Result. By doing the additional testing to determine the > Ancestral Result, we have eliminated results with mutations. By > eliminating the results with the mutations, when we compare the Ancestral > Results for various Lines of a surname, we will get a more accurate > assessment between the Lines regarding the degree of relatedness. > > This approach to determine the Ancestral Result, and then use the > Ancestral Result for the comparison with other Lines, can lead to more > accurate conclusions. Those who are Haplogroup R1b should seriously > consider this approach to minimize incorrect determinations of > relatedness. > > Since the first step for Y DNA testing is typically to test two distant > branches of your family tree, you would have taken the first step to > determine the Ancestral Result. If you do not get a 25/25 match, you do > not know the Ancestral Result. Additional testing would be desirable, > until you get a 25/25 match between two distant participants. > > There is no way to predict how many participants would be required. > > > > Recruiting Participants: Cost Justify the Price > ================================================= > > In the process of finding participants for your Genetic Genealogy testing, > you will encounter what is called a "price objection". The person does > not want to participate due to the cost of the test. > > Price objections are quite common. Usually it is "not" a true objection, > and is a smoke screen for other objections, which are the true objections. > > When a price objection is encountered, the next step is to determine > whether you are dealing with a true objection or a smoke screen. One > question to ask to make this determination is: "If I can find some > sponsors to make a donation towards the cost of testing, will you > participate"? > > The response to this question will start to separate those with a true > price objection, and those with other objections. If the answer is "yes", > then you are dealing with a price objection. Any other response means > that you have not uncovered their true objections. In this case, where > the price objection is a smoke screen, the most likely issue is fear. > More information about dealing with fear is in a past issue of the > newsletter: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/facts_genes.asp?act=show&nk=2.7 > > When you have established that you have a true price objection, then you > would want to determine which type of price objection you are dealing > with. You may have a potential participant who can not afford the > testing, or you may have a potential participant who can afford the > testing, but does not see the "value". > > For a potential participant who wants to participate, and can not afford > the costs, then you may want to consider finding sponsors for all or a > portion of the cost. Another alternative, is to suggest that the > potential participant contact others in their family tree, to find those > willing to split the cost of the testing for the potential participant. > > When a price objection is based on the situation where the value has not > been established, your focus should be on establishing value for the > potential participant. Value is established based on what they will get > for participating, and what is important to them. > > If the potential participant isn't interested in genealogy, and you > desperately need their participation to validate your family tree - you > don't have much to offer that interests the potential participant, so you > may end up needing sponsors for some or all of the cost of testing. When > the potential participant isn't interested in family history, the best > item you have to offer of "value" is how important they are to the > project. > > When your potential participant is interested in family history, it is > much easier to establish the value. For example, the information provided > from participating could result in them saving a significant amount of > time. Validating their research most likely would have value. These > items of value are subjective, and which are important depends on your > potential participant. > > A potential participant may not realize what they are spending on their > family history research, usually because the expenses are often many small > amounts. These small amounts are not very visible, and add up quickly. > For example, if they ordered any UK certificates for birth, marriage or > death, they most likely paid a minimum of £11.50, which would be > approximately $19.20 US Dollars. Just 5 UK certificates would be the > equivalent of a 12 Marker Y DNA test as part of a Surname Project! > > If the potential participant orders 2 to 3 films at a Family History > Center each month, at the end of a year, they have spent the equivalent of > a 12 Marker Y DNA test as part of a Surname Project. > > A research trip will typically cost more than a Y DNA test. > > With many books, CD's of data, and subscription or pay per view online > data sites available, it is quite easy to spend the equivalent of a Y DNA > test in a short amount of time, and not even realize it. Many times the > expenditure on certificates doesn't work out, since the right people > weren't found, or a CD could be a disappointment since it was the wrong > family. > > A Y DNA test provides information that can't be acquired any other way. > In addition, the Y DNA test keeps providing information, long after your > results are received, as you find others in the future who match, and an > email shows up in your inbox, telling you that you have a match. > > To overcome a price objection, establish value for the potential > participant. > > > > Case Studies in Genetic Genealogy > ================================= > > In each issue of the Newsletter, we look at what Genetic Genealogy will do > for your Family History research. This article is a continuation of the > topic, with situations, called "Case Studies", followed by a > recommendation. The objective of the case studies is to present different > situations you may encounter in your family history research, and how DNA > testing can be applied. > > > Case Study > ========== > I am wondering whether Genetic Genealogy testing would be appropriate for > our situation. There are two families in a small town in Europe with > identical surnames. Both families have been present in this small town > since the mid 1700's or earlier. No link between the families has been > established, despite much effort that even included hiring a professional > genealogist back in Europe. The hypothesis is that these two families are > related to each other. There are male descendents of both families in the > US today. Can Genetic Genealogy help us? > > > Recommendation > ============== > > Your situation is ideal for Y-DNA testing. By testing two direct male > descendents from each family, you will determine if the families are > related. We recommend testing two direct male descendents in each family, > that are distantly related, such as distant cousins. This step is known > as the validation step. Both the descendents in a family should match > 25/25, or 24/25. > > You could take a chance that the families are related, and postpone the > validation step. In this approach you would test one direct descent male > from each family. If they match or are a close match, then you could skip > the validation step. If they do not match, then test a distant relative > in each family tree to validate the results for the family tree. > > > > Spot Light: Mangum Surname Project > ====================================== > > The Mangum Surname Project started in January 2003, and is still in it's > infancy. The Surname Project currently has 16 participants, and was > established for the surnames: Malham, Mangham, Mangles, Mangrum, Mangum, > Maugham, Mengham, and Mingham. > > The first participants in the Mangum Surname Project were a Parham, and > several males with the Mangum surname, and two males with the Mangrum > surname. The Parham participant descended from a Mangum, and ended up > with a different surname, since his Great Grandfather took on the Parham > surname, as did his Great Grandfather's brother. > > The results for the first participants were: > > - a group who matched each other 25/25 > - the Parham participant who only matched the group 23/25 > - two participants who were not related to any of the other participants > or each other > > The 23/25 match by the Parham participant was a disappointment, and also a > concern, since the participants all belong to the R1b Haplogroup. Since > this 23/25 match indicated a more distant relationship than was expected > from the genealogy records, another descendent in the Parham tree > participated. The first Parham participant was a descendent of Henry > Parham. The second Parham participant was a descendent of Henry's brother > George. The descendent of George matched 25/25. Therefore, the 2 > mutations must have occurred in the branch of the tree starting with > Henry. Henry had two sons, and the Parham with the 23/25 match descended > from one of the sons. A participant was then found for the second son of > Henry. This descendent was a 24/25 match to the Mangum result. > > As a result, it has been determined that Henry Parham had a mutation, > which was passed on to both his sons. Then, in a later generation, > another descendent of one son had a mutation, resulting in the 23/25 match > with the Mangum result. > > The chart below shows the branch of the family tree starting with the > father of George and Henry. The results in parenthesis, such as (25/25) > are the results as compared to the group of Mangum participants, who all > match each other 25/25. > > > > Archibald J. Mangum > Son: George Mangum/Parham > Grandson: Parham > great-grandson: Parham (25/25) > > Son: Henry Mangum/Parham > Grandson: Parham > great-grandson: Parham > Great-great-grandson: Parham (24/25) > Grandson: Parham > great-grandson: Parham > Great-great-grandson: Parham (23/25) > > > > The additional testing in the Parham branch was very beneficial and > identified the occurrence of the two mutations in the initial 23/25 match, > and also produced a 25/25 match to the Mangum result. > > The Mangum project continues to recruit participants, and hopes to > identify eventually the number of Mangum and variant lines, and their > ancestral origin. To date, participants have had the surnames: Mangum, > Mangham and Mangrum. > > > > In the Next Issue > ================= > We hope you have enjoyed this issue of Facts & Genes. Please feel free to > contact the editor with your comments, feedback, questions to be > addressed, as well as suggestions for future articles. If you would like > your Surname Project featured in our Spotlight column in a future issue, > please send an email telling us about your project. 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