This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/hV.2ADE/166.1391.3 Message Board Post: Kenneth, I have a bit more on Pleasent Ware Self. He also married Martha Williams's mother after her parents divorced. Her mothers name was Serilda (Marvel) Williams- Name: P. W. SELF Spouse: SERILDA [Mrs] WILLIAMS Marriage Date: 10 Dec 1887 County: Johnson State: AR Husband Age at Marriage: 67 Wife Age at Marriage: 56 At the time of their marriage I am a Williams and of the same Williams family as Martha Williams Self. Martha's father James Caldwell Williams, after he and Serilda divorced married a in-law of his son James Preston Williams (he would be Martha's brother). James Preston Williams's wife was Laura Swing, James Caldwell Williams married her mother- Susan ??/Swing/Moody. I have never actually found Martha's mother Serilda, ever living with P.W. Self. I only have a record of the marriage from the Johnson Co Courthouse. Kristen