This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cluff, Weech, Bond Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/3U.2ADE/1533 Message Board Post: Hi, The information I have on Heber Manasseh Cluff says he was born 15 Nov 1863 in Provo, Utah and died 16 Jul 1913 in BlueWater, Valencia, New Mexico. The son of Moses Cluff and Ann Bond. He married Sarah Ann Weech, 4 JUL 1885 Pima,Graham,Arizona. I have had trouble finding him in census'. In 1880, he seems to be in Walker, Apache, Arizona, listed as a boarder in the household of Eliza Cluff who is 30 and a widow born in England, he is listed as age 16 and as a laborer. The previous House hold is of Moses Cluff age 52 and Rebecca age 45. Where is Ann (his mother)? in 1870, I can find Moses Cluff listed as 40, with Rebecca 40, Eliza 29 and 5 children, however Heber is not listed with them, nor is Ann, and I can't find them. Then in 1860, I again find Moses age 28, with Rebecca 26, Ann 19 and Jane 19, and of course Heber is not listed, for he is not born. I can't find Heber or Sarah in 1900, but do find who may be Sarah Ann, but listed as Hattie who is 41, married 24 years and having 9 children with 7 living, giving her place of birth as Utah and parents as England. In the household is Vida 18, Cyril B. 16, Ellen 13, Waldo 9, Mincho 6, all born in Utah and then Lola 2 and Carmen 1 born in Mexico. Where is Heber, in Mexico? How is he listed, I can't find him. If anyone can help me locate him, in 1870 on (excluding 1880). I would be thankful, just ideas would be great! Thank You! Sheila