HI Jim, I think I made one of those trips to the old Montgomery Cabin with you and Judie that's up by the Humphries Cemetery. The problem is my water is already muddy and I really don't know this family history. The Montgomery Family that I know is Marsha's. They and my family have lived neighbors for the last 90 years in the Wiseman area starting with Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers until now her Aunt's land and ours land still join. I came to this location on where this Montgomery family lived from reading the history of the Church's. I haven't had time to read everything they have put on line but this is taken from the history section. In December 1850 Mr. James MtGomery Sr. came from Pisgah Church, Mecklinburg Gastony ( transcriber note; Gastonia ) County near Crawford Mountain North Carolina, with his family, consisting of h(is) sons Joseph, James, and William, and his daughter Hannah; his wife died some years after he came here; his son John, & family, also moving with him from te same place. His son Samuel MtGomery moved from the same place in the spring of 1854, with his family. These families settled on the North side of the Strawberry, and below the fork of Strawberry; and some 8 to 10 miles below where Prosperity now is. As far as I know Strawberry River only has one fork and that is about 2 or 3 miles down river from Wiseman where the little Strawberry River merges with the Strawberry River. Also, Prosperity Church was said to be at Wheeling, 4 miles south of Salem, and this say some 8-10 miles below where Prosperity now is. Wiseman is about 10 miles directly south of Wheeling. Now I may be completely wrong on this but this was what I took from the description. It would be about the same distant from the cabin James built to the New Hope Church as from the Wiseman area if I have the right location on it from where Myrlene told me the New Hope Church location was. If I didn't mis-understand where she told me it would be just north of Horseshoe Bend. about 1/4 mile not of Hwy 289. I'm not sure I every got this James or Samuel Montgomery connect to John Patrick Montgomery, Marsha's ancestor, but I've not had a lot of time to study all you and other sent me. The only thing I know is clear on any of this is the Strawberry River. With very little rain for months it is running low but clear. So glad your son made it home for Thanksgiving and pray for his safe return next year. Betty BB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Judy MONTGOMERY" <pabst04@comcast.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB Montgomery Family > He Betty and all > Watch me muddy the water. > What one of the Montgomery's are ya talking about? The 1st ones built a log cabin just down the hill to the north of the Humphries/Montgomery Cemetery in Fulton County Arkansas. It was still there the last time we were home. > G.T Humphries was the father of Salem's own Larry Humphries. Larry now or did own the old Montgomery cabin. > > Below is a note Judy put in our tree back in 1999 > > When Jim and I were in Fulton County October 1999, we went to the Humphries Cemetery to look for his ancestor's graves. We found James, (Jim's 3rd great grandfather) his wife Elizabeth and daughter Elizabeth Hannah along with Samuel, (2nd great-grandfather) his wives, Mary and Sarah and his great grandmother Sophronia Davenport ( Wiseman ) Montgomery. While we were there a gentleman named G.T. Humphries approached us. He told us that his grandmother had bought part of the Montgomery land and that he was born in the log cabin where James built, lived and died of smallpox. The best thing is that it is still there! It had been added to during the years, but hasn't been lived in for quite awhile. You can see the logs where the later wall coverings had come away, and we were able to go up a narrow stairway to stand on the second floor. It is very solid still, and it made me teary-eyed to think that his ancestors lived, loved, laughed, worked and died on the land where we now stoo! > d. > JUDIE > > Now my daddy Othy Flavil, a Alta 2 brothers Archie lloyd and Paul Dean (Joe) was born in Morriston > > Off Subject > Some good news our boy Clifford Stacy got in last night from Afghanistan for some needed R and R. Bad thing he is on his way back the 5th of December 2010 for his 3rd time in that area. Hope to have him back home for good by May 2010. > Be glad when all the kids are home > > JIM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty BB" <b-view@centurytel.net> > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB > > Settled on North side of the Strawberry, and below the fork of Strawberry; and some 8 to 10 miles below where Properity now is. > > Marsha, > If I'm reading this right the Mtgomery family settle on the east side of Strawberry River just below the fork (Little Strawberry River) and this would be just northeast of your Aunt Ruth's or down the river two or three miles from Wiseman. If you look on a AR map you will see that Wheeling is almost due north of Wiseman and I guess, as the crow flies, about 10 miles. Wheeling is 4 miles south of Salem on Hwy 9. This would be the place for the Prosperity Church. > The New Hope would be about a half mile east on Hwy 289 and then north about a 1/4 mile off the 4 way stop, where Hwy 354 joins and comes to Wiseman . > There is a little white house about a block west of the Horseshoe Bend Dog Kennel and about 1/4 mile east of the 4 way stop and you can see a road that goes behind the house and past a barn and on north and that is where Rosella has built her new house. I think that is where Myrlene said the New Hope Church was located. It was before my time so you know that was a long time ago. :) > > I have had time to read and study all the information you and Bile have put on but this is what I'm understanding so far. > > Have I muddy the waters even more? > > Betty BB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marsha Boles" <marshab52@yahoo.com> > To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB > > >> Okay, I am getting confused now. >> Where was Prosperity ARPC located? >> Where was New Hope ARPC located? >> When I was learning to drive (maybe as early as 10yo around 1960), my Aunt Lois Boles Moser and I had many little adventures. She let me drive the tractor from her house to Humphries Cem. with her propped on the fender of the tractor. We had to go through Day, AR and the road from Day to the cemetery was always horrible because water ran across the road in many places (little tributaries of Strawberry River/Creek) and the tractor would cross anything. Even back then, I didn't see anything that looked like a church, she didn't mention a church. Of course by then it would have been a residence and the development of Horseshoe Bend had not altered the old roads. Still, I figure we were less than a mile from the church (Prosperity ? ) - as the crow flies! >> Humphries Cem.Fulton Co., AR - latitude: 36.25780, longitude: -91.73720 >> Wheeling, Fulton Co., AR - latitude 36.32 and longitude -91.863 >> This Wheeling is much closer to Salem, Fulton Co., AR than to Day, Izard Co.,AR. >> Wheeling would be between Oxford and Salem - right? >> So has Wheeling AR moved ? ? ? >> Both churches would have been a little south and east of current Wheeling - right? >> Marsha >> --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Betty BB <b-view@centurytel.net> wrote: >> Mrylene, >> I thought that was the church that you said was out behind where the Todd's >> live. >> I think thier daugther Rosella Todd Booth is the one that build the new >> house there. >> That area would have been in Fulton Co between 1842 and 1874. The Fulton >> county line >> came south to Franklin and about a mile north of Violet Hill during that >> period. >> I guess I didn't know that Opal was a Gault, learn something new all the >> time. >> Thanks, >> Betty BB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Myrlene Hastings" <mdhastings@centurytel.net> >> To: <ARIZARD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:09 PM >> Subject: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB >> >> >>> Betty, the way I understand it, the first church organized was at >>> Wheeling, then another one was the New Hope church that was between Day >>> and Wiseman. If you read the first page on the church records that either >>> Marsha or Billie Welsh posted it mentions New Hope church. That was in >>> Fulton I think at that time because some of the census records show Fulton >>> co. You probably don't remember the old road between Day and Wiseman, >>> the church which had been converted to a dwelling house, was off of the >>> road, maybe a quarter of a mile on a dirt road that got very muddy at >>> times. I think the road turned off there where the white house is, there >>> were lots of trees, more that now. That was the old New Hope Church, my >>> mother's uncle Will and his wife aunt Ella Gault lived there them. Opal >>> Harber, Luther Harber's wife, was their daughter. It looks like, from >>> what I can see from the road, that a new house has been built maybe close >>> to where the old one was. Myrlene > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Betty You be right Judy her sister and I meet you at the cemetery then we went down to the old place. Joseph Wiley Montgomery John Pats daddy was a brother to my GGrandpaw James UAL have a great holiday ya hear Jim M. Descendants of James Montgomery 1 James MONTGOMERY Source: Information about James Montgomery and his family sent by Barbara Davenport, 5320 Spindletree Dr.,Wichita Falls, Texas 76310 on June 22, 1998. b: April 07, 1793 in South Carolina d: December 30, 1864 in Arkansas . +ELIZABETH b: December 11, 1782 in SC / NC d: April 12, 1854 in Arkansas m: Abt. 1818 ....... 2 John F. MONTGOMERY b: May 17, 1819 in North Carolina d: October 20, 1907 in Arkansas .......... +Mary Selena FERGUSON b: February 06, 1815 in Lincoln County, North Carolina d: February 07, 1892 in Arkansas m: July 23, 1843 in Lincoln County, North Carolina Father: John Ferguson Mother: Mary Polly McWilliams ................ 3 Elizabeth J. MONTGOMERY b: 1843 in North Carolina d: 1927 ................... +James H. GAULT b: March 1841 in Tennessee d: 1921 Father: William A. Gault Mother: Sarah Gleghorn ................ 3 Mary L. MONTGOMERY b: October 1847 in Gaston County, North Carolina d: 1896 in Salem, Fulton County, Arkansas ................... +Allen Hanceford ROBERTS Source: Family information for Allen Hanceford and Mary L. (Montgomery) Roberts and their children, Lovenia J., Sarah Anne, Mary Susannah, David Montgomery, Elvie Doris and Ewing Griffeth Roberts - from package sent by Wilma King February 22, 2002. 102 Cypress Springs Rd., Pocahontas, AR 72455 b: 1845 in Coffee County, Tennessee d: November 17, 1918 in Calico Rock. Izard County, Arkansas Father: James Bradford Roberts Mother: Sarah Harrison ................ 3 James H. MONTGOMERY b: October 31, 1849 in North Carolina d: April 03, 1853 in Arkansas ................ 3 John Ferguson MONTGOMERY Source: Family Information for John Ferguson Montgomery received from Paul Dean Lynch on a visit from him and James Howard Lynch at our home in the spring of 1997. Pictures of John Ferguson, his wife Sally Jane (Moser), his children Ada and Tom, Sally's daughter Lena Moser, John F. and Sally's son Paul Davis, and John F's father sent in a note from Dora Girdley Wynn October 24, 2000. She also sent a single picture of John F. with the same note. b: August 07, 1853 in Arkansas d: May 17, 1928 ................... +Malinda GIBBINS Source: Malinda Gibbons last name was sent via email from Dora Girdley Wynn October 7, 2000. leswynn@juno.com. Her information came from Tressie Lewis, daughter of John Ferguson and Sally J. (Moser) Montgomery. The Gibbons lived in the community of Center, near Ash Flat, Arkansas. b: May 22, 1849 in Strawberry Township, Lawrence County, Arkansas d: November 20, 1897 Father: William C. Gibbins Mother: Nancy E. ................ *2nd Wife of John Ferguson MONTGOMERY: ................... +Rebecca M. (Becky) BELL Source: Family Information for Rebecca Bell received in a letter from Georgia Bell dated January 26 1998 to Judie Montgomery. b: 1873 in Izard County, Arkansas d: February 03, 1944 in Leota, Missouri m: September 18, 1901 in Fulton County, Arkansas Father: Uriah Abraham Bell Mother: Nancy Eliza C. Pearson ................ *3rd Wife of John Ferguson MONTGOMERY: ................... +Sallie Jane MOSER Source: Sally Moser's middle name, Jane, provided by Dora Girdley Wynn in a note received October 24, 2000. b: 1871 in North Carolina d: 1932 m: August 16, 1903 in Arkansas Father: X. Moser Mother: Moser Wife ....... 2 Joseph Wiley MONTGOMERY b: June 18, 1823 in North Carolina d: January 29, 1874 in Arkansas .......... +Ann Martha MORRIS b: October 20, 1828 in Henry County, Tennessee d: May 30, 1883 in Horseshoe bend, Izard County, Arkansas m: Bef. 1853 Father: Lemuel Morris Mother: Martha " Patsy " Estes ................ 3 Martha Jane MONTGOMERY b: October 1853 in Arkansas d: 1926 ................... +Albert Marion KING Source: Family information for Albert M. and Martha Jane (Montgomery) King and their children Samuel Wiley, Laura Ann, Mary Estella (Tiller), Lemuel William Morris, Dora Belle, David Montgomery, Ethel Geneva, Pearl T. and Eula - Dee Colvin via email February 1, 2001. chrdcol@gte.net b: August 09, 1850 in Arkansas d: September 01, 1904 m: 1871 Father: Wiley King Mother: Maria A. (Marie) Rowan ................ 3 Elizabeth MONTGOMERY b: Abt. 1856 in Arkansas ................ 3 John Patrick MONTGOMERY b: September 13, 1856 in near Day, Arkansas d: July 31, 1939 in Izard County, Arkansas ................... +Talitha Cumi ANDREWS b: September 17, 1857 in Arkansas d: July 19, 1922 m: 1875 Father: Joshua Rucker Andrews Mother: Elizabeth Jane Gleghorn ................ 3 James MONTGOMERY b: Abt. 1858 ................ 3 William MONTGOMERY b: Abt. 1858 in Arkansas d: Bef. 1870 in Arkansas ................ 3 Samuel MONTGOMERY b: Abt. 1860 in Arkansas d: Bef. 1870 in Arkansas ................ 3 Thomas Moffit MONTGOMERY b: December 28, 1861 in Izard County, Arkansas d: February 01, 1936 in Muskogee, Muskogee County, Oklahoma ................... +Martha Ann Theodosia WILSON b: January 20, 1859 in Pleasant Ridge, Ouachita County, Arkansas d: January 08, 1940 in Muskogee, Muskogee County, Oklahoma m: January 04, 1883 in Day, Izard County, Arkansas ................ 3 Joseph Wiley MONTGOMERY, Jr b: December 17, 1864 in Day, Izard County, Arkansas d: July 25, 1935 in Sallisaw, Oklahoma ................... +Molly ANDREWS ................ 3 Monroe Oates MONTGOMERY Source: Some of Monroe Oates Sn. and Nancy ( Cantrell ) Montomery info from Obit in Baxter Bulletin news paper of Mountian Home, Baxter Ciunty, Arkansas September 9, 1971 of brother Monroe Owen Montgomery b: April 24, 1869 in Day, Izard County, Arkansas d: March 11, 1911 in Arkansas ................... +Nancy Melvina " Lavina " CANTRELL b: April 1867 in Missouri d: April 09, 1931 in Izard County, Arkansas m: Bef. 1895 ....... 2 Samuel MONTGOMERY b: June 27, 1826 in Lincoln County, North Carolina d: October 19, 1895 in Arkansas .......... +Mary Patterson FERGUSON b: January 25, 1831 in Lincoln County, North Carolina d: November 15, 1861 m: Abt. 1850 Father: James (Squire Jim) Ferguson Mother: Mary Henry McCarter ................ 3 James Ferguson MONTGOMERY Source: Family information for James Ferguson Montgomery received in a telephone conversation with Georgia (Montgomery) Beebe, granddaughter, March 4, 1998. b: December 10, 1852 in North Carolina d: December 13, 1923 in Arkansas ................... +Sophronia Davenport WISEMAN b: February 24, 1851 in Arkansas d: May 08, 1904 in Arkansas m: July 06, 1871 Father: Davenport Glover Wiseman Mother: Matilda A. Rowan ................ 3 William Boyce (Billie) MONTGOMERY b: August 06, 1854 in Fulton County, Arkansas d: April 24, 1929 in Fulton County, Arkansas ................... +Mary Mair TURNER b: June 17, 1860 in Arkansas d: October 20, 1925 Father: Tillman Pinkney "Pinkie" Turner Mother: Minerva ................ 3 John Monroe MONTGOMERY b: October 03, 1858 in Arkansas d: March 13, 1953 ................... +Tennessee Emiline TUCKER b: March 31, 1864 in Arkansas d: August 18, 1939 m: 1882 Father: Kinchen Washington Tucker Mother: Eliza Lay ................ 3 Wm T MONTGOMERY b: Abt. 1861 ....... *2nd Wife of Samuel MONTGOMERY: .......... +Sarah Catherine EVANS Source: Sarah Catherine (Evans) Montgomery's middle name taken from the pages of the Prosperity Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church Record Book that Robert W. King placed on his webpage: http://www.wildweasel.net Sarah was Samuel Montgomery's second wife. b: Abt. 1840 in Alabama d: June 02 m: Aft. 1861 ................ 3 Mary Elizabeth Patterson (Mollie) MONTGOMERY Source: Mary Elizabeth Patterson Montgomery's full name received via email from Robert W. King January 19, 2002 robert@wildweasel.net b: December 16, 1866 in Arkansas d: February 08, 1947 ................... +Robert Benjamin (Bob) MATHIS Source: Census records b: April 26, 1867 in Arkansas d: July 02, 1949 m: Abt. 1884 Father: Francis Asberry Mathis Mother: Martha Diffee (Diffy) ................ 3 Samuel Presley MONTGOMERY b: March 28, 1868 in Arkansas d: December 18, 1879 ................ 3 Adolphus L MONTGOMERY b: 1875 in Arkansas d: August 27, 1948 ....... *3rd Wife of Samuel MONTGOMERY: .......... +Sarah G. b: Abt. 1835 in Tennessee m: Abt. 1879 ....... 2 James MONTGOMERY b: October 25, 1828 in North Carolina d: February 09, 1894 .......... +Marthenia JONES b: April 02, 1847 in Georgia d: May 11, 1922 Father: Jacob Lewis Jones Mother: Mary Smith ................ 3 William Presley MONTGOMERY b: November 20, 1870 in Arkansas d: September 20, 1909 ................ 3 Susanah J. MONTGOMERY b: December 08, 1874 in Arkansas d: July 08, 1934 ................... +John Thomas MITCHELL b: January 18, 1870 in Arkansas d: January 22, 1954 m: December 23, 1894 in Oxford, Izard County, Arkansas Father: William L Mitchell Mother: Mariah M. Harwell / Harvell ................ 3 Buddie MONTGOMERY b: October 01, 1880 d: December 30, 1880 ................ 3 Samuel Columbus MONTGOMERY b: June 16, 1883 d: March 1886 ....... 2 Elizabeth Hannah MONTGOMERY b: Abt. December 30, 1830 d: August 22, 1860 ....... 2 William MONTGOMERY b: Abt. 1833 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty BB" <b-view@centurytel.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:53:56 AM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB Montgomery Family HI Jim, I think I made one of those trips to the old Montgomery Cabin with you and Judie that's up by the Humphries Cemetery. The problem is my water is already muddy and I really don't know this family history. The Montgomery Family that I know is Marsha's. They and my family have lived neighbors for the last 90 years in the Wiseman area starting with Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers until now her Aunt's land and ours land still join. I came to this location on where this Montgomery family lived from reading the history of the Church's. I haven't had time to read everything they have put on line but this is taken from the history section. In December 1850 Mr. James MtGomery Sr. came from Pisgah Church, Mecklinburg Gastony ( transcriber note; Gastonia ) County near Crawford Mountain North Carolina, with his family, consisting of h(is) sons Joseph, James, and William, and his daughter Hannah; his wife died some years after he came here; his son John, & family, also moving with him from te same place. His son Samuel MtGomery moved from the same place in the spring of 1854, with his family. These families settled on the North side of the Strawberry, and below the fork of Strawberry; and some 8 to 10 miles below where Prosperity now is. As far as I know Strawberry River only has one fork and that is about 2 or 3 miles down river from Wiseman where the little Strawberry River merges with the Strawberry River. Also, Prosperity Church was said to be at Wheeling, 4 miles south of Salem, and this say some 8-10 miles below where Prosperity now is. Wiseman is about 10 miles directly south of Wheeling. Now I may be completely wrong on this but this was what I took from the description. It would be about the same distant from the cabin James built to the New Hope Church as from the Wiseman area if I have the right location on it from where Myrlene told me the New Hope Church location was. If I didn't mis-understand where she told me it would be just north of Horseshoe Bend. about 1/4 mile not of Hwy 289. I'm not sure I every got this James or Samuel Montgomery connect to John Patrick Montgomery, Marsha's ancestor, but I've not had a lot of time to study all you and other sent me. The only thing I know is clear on any of this is the Strawberry River. With very little rain for months it is running low but clear. So glad your son made it home for Thanksgiving and pray for his safe return next year. Betty BB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Judy MONTGOMERY" <pabst04@comcast.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB Montgomery Family > He Betty and all > Watch me muddy the water. > What one of the Montgomery's are ya talking about? The 1st ones built a log cabin just down the hill to the north of the Humphries/Montgomery Cemetery in Fulton County Arkansas. It was still there the last time we were home. > G.T Humphries was the father of Salem's own Larry Humphries. Larry now or did own the old Montgomery cabin. > > Below is a note Judy put in our tree back in 1999 > > When Jim and I were in Fulton County October 1999, we went to the Humphries Cemetery to look for his ancestor's graves. We found James, (Jim's 3rd great grandfather) his wife Elizabeth and daughter Elizabeth Hannah along with Samuel, (2nd great-grandfather) his wives, Mary and Sarah and his great grandmother Sophronia Davenport ( Wiseman ) Montgomery. While we were there a gentleman named G.T. Humphries approached us. He told us that his grandmother had bought part of the Montgomery land and that he was born in the log cabin where James built, lived and died of smallpox. The best thing is that it is still there! It had been added to during the years, but hasn't been lived in for quite awhile. You can see the logs where the later wall coverings had come away, and we were able to go up a narrow stairway to stand on the second floor. It is very solid still, and it made me teary-eyed to think that his ancestors lived, loved, laughed, worked and died on the land where we now st! ! oo! > d. > JUDIE > > Now my daddy Othy Flavil, a sister Alta 2 brothers Archie lloyd and Paul Dean (Joe) was born in Morriston > > Off Subject > Some good news our boy Clifford Stacy got in last night from Afghanistan for some needed R and R. Bad thing he is on his way back the 5th of December 2010 for his 3rd time in that area. Hope to have him back home for good by May 2010. > Be glad when all the kids are home > > JIM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty BB" <b-view@centurytel.net> > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:10:06 PM > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB > > Settled on North side of the Strawberry, and below the fork of Strawberry; and some 8 to 10 miles below where Properity now is. > > Marsha, > If I'm reading this right the Mtgomery family settle on the east side of Strawberry River just below the fork (Little Strawberry River) and this would be just northeast of your Aunt Ruth's or down the river two or three miles from Wiseman. If you look on a AR map you will see that Wheeling is almost due north of Wiseman and I guess, as the crow flies, about 10 miles. Wheeling is 4 miles south of Salem on Hwy 9. This would be the place for the Prosperity Church. > The New Hope would be about a half mile east on Hwy 289 and then north about a 1/4 mile off the 4 way stop, where Hwy 354 joins and comes to Wiseman . > There is a little white house about a block west of the Horseshoe Bend Dog Kennel and about 1/4 mile east of the 4 way stop and you can see a road that goes behind the house and past a barn and on north and that is where Rosella has built her new house. I think that is where Myrlene said the New Hope Church was located. It was before my time so you know that was a long time ago. :) > > I have had time to read and study all the information you and Bile have put on but this is what I'm understanding so far. > > Have I muddy the waters even more? > > Betty BB