Thank you BBB ! This makes more sense than what I have been thinking. I almost took the Oxford Road  when leaving the last funeral at Salem (I guess that would be 289) to go back to Wiseman. I know I would have wanted to come in on Cardinal Road (from Oxford to Wiseman). If I had, then I wouldn't have these cob webs in my head about some of these details. I really need to get up there and blow a tank of gas to set this in my head once and for all. Day trips for special occasions only lets you get that one thing done. I need some wander around time (and a car that won't drag on the rocks in some places). I thought just John Patrick Montgomery owned land around Wiseman; apparently his GF owned land around Wheeling.  4 generations of a big family can really spread out in 150 years. Marsha --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Betty BB <b-view@centurytel.net> wrote: Settled on North side of the Strawberry, and below the fork of Strawberry; and some 8 to 10 miles below where Properity now is. Marsha,  If I'm reading this right the Mtgomery family settle on the east side of Strawberry River just below the fork (Little Strawberry River) and this would be just northeast of your Aunt Ruth's or down the river two or three miles from Wiseman.  If you look on a AR map you will see that Wheeling is almost due north of Wiseman and I guess, as the crow flies, about 10 miles. Wheeling is 4 miles south of Salem on Hwy 9. This would be the place for the Prosperity Church. The New Hope  would be about a half mile east on Hwy 289 and then north about a 1/4 mile off the 4 way stop, where Hwy 354 joins and comes to Wiseman  . There is a little white house about a block west of the Horseshoe Bend Dog Kennel  and about 1/4 mile east of the 4 way stop and you can see a road that goes behind the house and past a barn  and on north and that is where Rosella has built her new house.   I think that is where Myrlene said the New Hope Church was located.  It was before my time so you know that was a long time ago. :) I have had time to read and study all the information you and Bile have put on but this is what I'm understanding so far. Have I muddy the waters even more? Betty BB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Boles" <marshab52@yahoo.com>  Okay, I am getting confused now. Where was Prosperity ARPC located? Where was New Hope ARPC located? When I was learning to drive (maybe as early as 10yo around 1960), my Aunt Lois Boles Moser and I had many little adventures. She let me drive the tractor from her house to Humphries Cem. with her propped on the fender of the tractor. We had to go through Day, AR and the road from Day to the cemetery was always horrible because water ran across the road in many places (little tributaries of Strawberry River/Creek) and the tractor would cross anything. Even back then, I didn't see anything that looked like a church, she didn't mention a church. Of course by then it would have been a residence and the development of Horseshoe Bend had not altered the old roads. Still, I figure we were less than a mile from the church (Prosperity ? ) - as the crow flies! Humphries Cem.Fulton Co., AR - latitude: 36.25780, longitude: -91.73720 Wheeling, Fulton Co., AR - latitude 36.32 and longitude -91.863 This Wheeling is much closer to Salem, Fulton Co., AR than to Day, Izard Co.,AR. Wheeling would be between Oxford and Salem - right? So has Wheeling AR moved ? ? ? Both churches would have been a little south and east of current Wheeling - right?  Marsha > --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Betty BB <b-view@centurytel.net> wrote: > Mrylene, > I thought that was the church that you said was out behind where the Todd's > live. > I think thier daugther Rosella Todd Booth is the one that build the new > house there. > That area would have been in Fulton Co between 1842 and 1874. The Fulton > county line > came south to Franklin and about a mile north of Violet Hill during that > period. > I guess I didn't know that Opal was a Gault, learn something new all the > time. > Thanks, > Betty BB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myrlene Hastings" <mdhastings@centurytel.net> > To: <ARIZARD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:09 PM > Subject: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB > > >> Betty, the way I understand it, the first church organized was at >> Wheeling, then another one was the New Hope church that was between Day >> and Wiseman. If you read the first page on the church records that either >> Marsha or Billie Welsh posted it mentions New Hope church. That was in >> Fulton I think at that time because some of the census records show Fulton >> co. You probably don't remember the old road between Day and Wiseman, >> the church which had been converted to a dwelling house, was off of the >> road, maybe a quarter of a mile on a dirt road that got very muddy at >> times. I think the road turned off there where the white house is, there >> were lots of trees, more that now. That was the old New Hope Church, my >> mother's uncle Will and his wife aunt Ella Gault lived there them. Opal >> Harber, Luther Harber's wife, was their daughter. It looks like, from >> what I can see from the road, that a new house has been built maybe close >> to where the old one was. 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Marsha, Your getting there, but if you come back by Oxford from Salem, you go south on Hwy 9 to Oxford. At Oxford you would turn left onto Hwy 354 to go to Wiseman. Hwy 354 runs from Oxford through Wiseman to the 4 way stop in Horseshoe Bend. Hwy 289 starts at Franklin and goes to Glencoe. The two intersect at the 4 way stop. Confusing I know. Some time when your up we will waste that tank of gas and I will show all these roads. Happy Thanksgiving. Betty BB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Boles" <marshab52@yahoo.com> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:46 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB > Thank you BBB ! > This makes more sense than what I have been thinking. I almost took the > Oxford Road > when leaving the last funeral at Salem (I guess that would be 289) to go > back to Wiseman. > I know I would have wanted to come in on Cardinal Road (from Oxford to > Wiseman). > If I had, then I wouldn't have these cob webs in my head about some of > these details. > I really need to get up there and blow a tank of gas to set this in my > head once and for all. Day trips for special occasions only lets you get > that one thing done. I need some wander around time (and a car that won't > drag on the rocks in some places). > I thought just John Patrick Montgomery owned land around Wiseman; > apparently his GF owned land around Wheeling. 4 generations of a big > family can really spread out in 150 years. > Marsha > > --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Betty BB <b-view@centurytel.net> wrote: > Settled on North side of the Strawberry, and below the fork of Strawberry; > and some 8 to 10 miles below where Properity now is. > > Marsha, > If I'm reading this right the Mtgomery family settle on the east side of > Strawberry River just below the fork (Little Strawberry River) and this > would be just northeast of your Aunt Ruth's or down the river two or three > miles from Wiseman. If you look on a AR map you will see that Wheeling is > almost due north of Wiseman and I guess, as the crow flies, about 10 > miles. Wheeling is 4 miles south of Salem on Hwy 9. This would be the > place for the Prosperity Church. > The New Hope would be about a half mile east on Hwy 289 and then north > about a 1/4 mile off the 4 way stop, where Hwy 354 joins and comes to > Wiseman . > There is a little white house about a block west of the Horseshoe Bend Dog > Kennel and about 1/4 mile east of the 4 way stop and you can see a road > that goes behind the house and past a barn and on north and that is where > Rosella has built her new house. I think that is where Myrlene said the > New Hope Church was located. It was before my time so you know that was a > long time ago. :) > I have had time to read and study all the information you and Bile have > put on but this is what I'm understanding so far. > Have I muddy the waters even more? > Betty BB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Boles" <marshab52@yahoo.com> > Okay, I am getting confused now. > Where was Prosperity ARPC located? > Where was New Hope ARPC located? > When I was learning to drive (maybe as early as 10yo around 1960), my Aunt > Lois Boles Moser and I had many little adventures. She let me drive the > tractor from her house to Humphries Cem. with her propped on the fender of > the tractor. We had to go through Day, AR and the road from Day to the > cemetery was always horrible because water ran across the road in many > places (little tributaries of Strawberry River/Creek) and the tractor > would cross anything. Even back then, I didn't see anything that looked > like a church, she didn't mention a church. Of course by then it would > have been a residence and the development of Horseshoe Bend had not > altered the old roads. Still, I figure we were less than a mile from the > church (Prosperity ? ) - as the crow flies! > Humphries Cem.Fulton Co., AR - latitude: 36.25780, longitude: -91.73720 > Wheeling, Fulton Co., AR - latitude 36.32 and longitude -91.863 > This Wheeling is much closer to Salem, Fulton Co., AR than to Day, Izard > Co.,AR. > Wheeling would be between Oxford and Salem - right? > So has Wheeling AR moved ? ? ? > Both churches would have been a little south and east of current > Wheeling - right? > Marsha >> --- On Thu, 11/18/10, Betty BB <b-view@centurytel.net> wrote: >> Mrylene, >> I thought that was the church that you said was out behind where the >> Todd's >> live. >> I think thier daugther Rosella Todd Booth is the one that build the new >> house there. >> That area would have been in Fulton Co between 1842 and 1874. The Fulton >> county line >> came south to Franklin and about a mile north of Violet Hill during that >> period. >> I guess I didn't know that Opal was a Gault, learn something new all the >> time. >> Thanks, >> Betty BB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Myrlene Hastings" <mdhastings@centurytel.net> >> To: <ARIZARD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:09 PM >> Subject: [ARIZARD] Church-Betty BB >> >> >>> Betty, the way I understand it, the first church organized was at >>> Wheeling, then another one was the New Hope church that was between Day >>> and Wiseman. If you read the first page on the church records that >>> either >>> Marsha or Billie Welsh posted it mentions New Hope church. That was in >>> Fulton I think at that time because some of the census records show >>> Fulton >>> co. You probably don't remember the old road between Day and Wiseman, >>> the church which had been converted to a dwelling house, was off of the >>> road, maybe a quarter of a mile on a dirt road that got very muddy at >>> times. I think the road turned off there where the white house is, there >>> were lots of trees, more that now. That was the old New Hope Church, my >>> mother's uncle Will and his wife aunt Ella Gault lived there them. Opal >>> Harber, Luther Harber's wife, was their daughter. It looks like, from >>> what I can see from the road, that a new house has been built maybe >>> close >>> to where the old one was. 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U R A doll, BBB, thanks. So many folks to thanks so often. I love this list (ummm heard that before, have you). I appreciate hearing from folks that have been there and done that since I have. Know my dad got embarrassed once trying to direct a funeral procession into a cemetery and nearly got us all lost (these were roads and fields he had worked and plowed as a youngster hiring out for work).  Sometimes you get used to using only one road because it goes by another place or the pavement is better - makes you forget how to use other roads. This list get obits from multi sources, references from folks in dozens of states, researchers that would qualify as paid genealogists elsewhere, and a great list mom. Thanksgiving is in the air. Thank you BBB and all others. We are a blessed lot. . .  Marsha --- On Fri, 11/19/10, b-view <b-view@centurytel.net> wrote: Marsha, Your getting there, but if  you come back by Oxford from Salem, you go south onHwy 9  to Oxford.  At Oxford you would turn left onto Hwy 354 to go to Wiseman.  Hwy 354 runs from Oxford through Wiseman to the 4 way stop in Horseshoe Bend. Hwy 289 starts at Franklin and goes to Glencoe. The two intersect at the 4 way stop.  Confusing I know.  Some time when your up we will waste that tank of gas and I will show all these roads.  Happy Thanksgiving. B BB