Wilma King, just wondering if you have any info on these 3 names.   Chadwick is the one I am most interested in---Charity Elizabeth Chadwick is  my ggrandmother.   Am also related to the Moss and Ferguson families around Oxford.  Thanks, Glenna Goodwin

Peggy, Would you by any chance still have the info on the Gillentines in Baxter co. If so, would love to have the info.   Thanks, Glenna Goodwin ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: PEGGY TRUESDELL <truesdellp@att.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 3:20:09 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers / GILLENTINE (Glenna) Bernie, Vera and I used to work to "in tandem" on this List and the Baxter List.  There were some GILLENTINEs that Bernie had some connection to in Baxter County.  Just thought someone would like to know they were in the area. Our exchanges would be in archives of Baxter List.  That List is almost defunct.  It was an "endangered species" and we tried our best to keep it going.   Peggy ________________________________ From: Glenna Goodwin <glennagoodwin@att.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 7:28:55 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers Betty Mac, Jim and Judy, Mary Ann.etc. , I just found this great website for Caruthers.  It is Carothers.-Carruthers.com  We may not be related to them, but we   may be Anyway, it has lots of interesting stories. I loved the castle pics and stories.too.   I just found this site today.  It has lots more stuff on Caruthers, too.  I did find Arnold, Lafferty, Chism, Estes Smith, Ramsey, Hill, Meredith, and Adams on this site--listed under Nicholas Gillentine descendents.   Hope you enjoy this site as much as I did.  Glenna Goodwin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great! Pat. I was hoping you might be reading and see this. I hadn't seen those names either but I did remember about g gf Johnson's sister's family moving from MacPherson in Baxter Co., AR on to Sharp Co. so thought it might be possible that some of the Greens moved that direction to. Didn't recognize those names either Glad to hear from you! Beth ----- Original Message ---- From: Pat Foster <pjf1946@cox.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 3:38:07 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] [ARSHARP] Just wondering--Beth Thanks Beth. I think I'll respond about Marion and see what happens. The Flavel and Clarence aren't familiar to me and it might not be my Marion Green. One never knows until one checks??? Sometimes small crumbs open big doors? Pat Foster -----Original Message----- From: arizard-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:arizard-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beth Cooper Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:26 PM To: arsharp@rootsweb.com; arizard@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] [ARSHARP] Just wondering Am taking the liberty of passing along this post from ARSHARP on to readers at ARIZARD as there are many Green researchers there. ARIZARD readers please note that part of the entry at ARSHARP has been gatewayed to the ARSHARP list so you will need to back track to find the original posting on rootsweb.com county boards (not the lists). Thanks, everyone! Glad to be back a few days. Beth ----- Original Message ---- From: Mhilton33 <mhilton33@aol.com> To: arsharp@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 7:19:26 AM Subject: Re: [ARSHARP] Just wondering Hi: I have some Dickerson's around Ozark, AR. and up north on the county line and MO. line. Sorry, forgot town. connected w/some Davis folks. Marian -----Original Message----- From: Rose <hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net> To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; arsharp@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Nov 7, 2010 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [ARSHARP] Green and Stephens Families I noticed on one of the census records, it listed Flavel Green and Fred Dickerson (age 4).  Fred married my late husband's first cousin.  I knew Flavel Green, I believe he used to be a police officer in Batesville, not sure, been soooooooooooo long ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <ARSHARP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ARSHARP] Green and Stephens Families > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: ThomasKer2 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties. sharp/1161.1/mb.ashx >x > > Message Board Post: > > I'm not related to this family. > > 1920 - > Name: Desta Dickerson > Age in 1910: 39 > Estimated birth year: 1871 > Birthplace: Missouri > Relation to Head of House: Wife > Spouse's name: Elmer L Dickerson > Home in 1910: Piney Fork, Sharp, Arkansas > Marital Status: Married 14 yrs > Race: White > Gender: Female > > Elmer L Dickerson 49, IND - shoemaker > Desta Dickerson 39, MO = 2nd marriage, 6 children & 6 living; does not > know where either parent was born [1871] > Maggie Dickerson 12, ARK > Elma Dickerson 9, ARK > Fred Dickerson 4, ARK > Clarence Green 19, ARK = s/son, works on farm > Flavel Green 16, ARK = s/son, works on farm > > > > > 1900 - > Name: Desty M Dickerson > Home in 1900: Piney Fork, Sharp, Arkansas > Age: 30 > Birth Date: Aug 1869 > Birthplace: Missouri > Race: White > Gender: Female > Relationship to Head of House: Wife > Father's Birthplace: Missouri > Mother's Birthplace: Missouri > Mother: number of living children: 5 > Mother: How many children: 6 > Spouse's name: Elmer L Dickerson > Marriage Year: 1896 > Marital Status: Married > Years Married: 4 > Occupation: > > Elmer L Dickerson 40, 5/60 OH - owns shoe & harness shop > Desty M Dickerson 30, 6 children & 5 living > Maggie M Dickerson 2, 7/97 ARK > Elwer E Dickerson 0, 5/00 ARK = dau > Landon Green 12, 11/87 ARK = s/son > Clarence Green 9, 4/91 ARK = s/son > Flavel D Green 7, 10/92 ARK > > > Desta Mona Stephens [b. MO] does not appear on any census. > NEED her DOB. > > Marion Green [b. MO] does not appear on any census. > NEED his DOB > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Totally agreed, Peggy! You contributors did you best to keep it going! Has there been anything in months? I haven't seen a thing, but I did have to chuckle at Vera and Pat comments about everyone being asleep as I was trying to catch up after a very long absence from being able to read emails from the lists! Very glad to be back for a short time! Has anyone heard from Bernie? I had tried to contact her with information from a descendant of her Mother's sister's husband. Can't come up with the name right now but will dig it up again and just post to the list-----just in case she ever gets back to reading regularly again! Hope everyone has enjoyed this fall. Beth ----- Original Message ---- From: PEGGY TRUESDELL <truesdellp@att.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 3:20:09 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers / GILLENTINE (Glenna) Bernie, Vera and I used to work to "in tandem" on this List and the Baxter List.  There were some GILLENTINEs that Bernie had some connection to in Baxter County.  Just thought someone would like to know they were in the area. Our exchanges would be in archives of Baxter List.  That List is almost defunct.  It was an "endangered species" and we tried our best to keep it going.   Peggy ________________________________ From: Glenna Goodwin <glennagoodwin@att.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 7:28:55 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers Betty Mac, Jim and Judy, Mary Ann.etc. , I just found this great website for Caruthers.  It is Carothers.-Carruthers.com  We may not be related to them, but we   may be Anyway, it has lots of interesting stories. I loved the castle pics and stories.too.   I just found this site today.  It has lots more stuff on Caruthers, too.  I did find Arnold, Lafferty, Chism, Estes Smith, Ramsey, Hill, Meredith, and Adams on this site--listed under Nicholas Gillentine descendents.   Hope you enjoy this site as much as I did.  Glenna Goodwin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Am taking the liberty of passing along this post from ARSHARP on to readers at ARIZARD as there are many Green researchers there. ARIZARD readers please note that part of the entry at ARSHARP has been gatewayed to the ARSHARP list so you will need to back track to find the original posting on rootsweb.com county boards (not the lists). Thanks, everyone! Glad to be back a few days. Beth ----- Original Message ---- From: Mhilton33 <mhilton33@aol.com> To: arsharp@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 7:19:26 AM Subject: Re: [ARSHARP] Just wondering Hi: I have some Dickerson's around Ozark, AR. and up north on the county line and MO. line. Sorry, forgot town. connected w/some Davis folks. Marian -----Original Message----- From: Rose <hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net> To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; arsharp@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Nov 7, 2010 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [ARSHARP] Green and Stephens Families I noticed on one of the census records, it listed Flavel Green and Fred Dickerson (age 4).  Fred married my late husband's first cousin.  I knew Flavel Green, I believe he used to be a police officer in Batesville, not sure, been soooooooooooo long ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <ARSHARP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ARSHARP] Green and Stephens Families > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: ThomasKer2 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.arkansas.counties.sharp/1161.1/mb.ashx >x > > Message Board Post: > > I'm not related to this family. > > 1920 - > Name: Desta Dickerson > Age in 1910: 39 > Estimated birth year: 1871 > Birthplace: Missouri > Relation to Head of House: Wife > Spouse's name: Elmer L Dickerson > Home in 1910: Piney Fork, Sharp, Arkansas > Marital Status: Married 14 yrs > Race: White > Gender: Female > > Elmer L Dickerson 49, IND - shoemaker > Desta Dickerson 39, MO = 2nd marriage, 6 children & 6 living; does not > know where either parent was born [1871] > Maggie Dickerson 12, ARK > Elma Dickerson 9, ARK > Fred Dickerson 4, ARK > Clarence Green 19, ARK = s/son, works on farm > Flavel Green 16, ARK = s/son, works on farm > > > > > 1900 - > Name: Desty M Dickerson > Home in 1900: Piney Fork, Sharp, Arkansas > Age: 30 > Birth Date: Aug 1869 > Birthplace: Missouri > Race: White > Gender: Female > Relationship to Head of House: Wife > Father's Birthplace: Missouri > Mother's Birthplace: Missouri > Mother: number of living children: 5 > Mother: How many children: 6 > Spouse's name: Elmer L Dickerson > Marriage Year: 1896 > Marital Status: Married > Years Married: 4 > Occupation: > > Elmer L Dickerson 40, 5/60 OH - owns shoe & harness shop > Desty M Dickerson 30, 6 children & 5 living > Maggie M Dickerson 2, 7/97 ARK > Elwer E Dickerson 0, 5/00 ARK = dau > Landon Green 12, 11/87 ARK = s/son > Clarence Green 9, 4/91 ARK = s/son > Flavel D Green 7, 10/92 ARK > > > Desta Mona Stephens [b. MO] does not appear on any census. > NEED her DOB. > > Marion Green [b. MO] does not appear on any census. > NEED his DOB > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board.

Bernie, Vera and I used to work to "in tandem" on this List and the Baxter List.  There were some GILLENTINEs that Bernie had some connection to in Baxter County.  Just thought someone would like to know they were in the area. Our exchanges would be in archives of Baxter List.  That List is almost defunct.  It was an "endangered species" and we tried our best to keep it going.   Peggy ________________________________ From: Glenna Goodwin <glennagoodwin@att.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 7:28:55 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers Betty Mac, Jim and Judy, Mary Ann.etc. , I just found this great website for Caruthers.  It is Carothers.-Carruthers.com  We may not be related to them, but we   may be Anyway, it has lots of interesting stories. I loved the castle pics and stories.too.   I just found this site today.  It has lots more stuff on Caruthers, too.  I did find Arnold, Lafferty, Chism, Estes Smith, Ramsey, Hill, Meredith, and Adams on this site--listed under Nicholas Gillentine descendents.   Hope you enjoy this site as much as I did.  Glenna Goodwin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have lots of family history, especially Cooper, Nisbett/Nesbit, Roberts, some McLain, Montgomery, Gault, Ferguson, Moffatt, Paden, etc. You are possibly referring to James Hemphill Cooper, 1798-1869 buried in Harmony Cemetery. The family had settled in Mississippi, suffered malaria, his older children and their families went to Texas, and he and the younger ones settled in Izard/Fulton county. His daughter Frances C Cooper 1944-1867 married Joseph Calvin Nisbett 1831-1899 and they were the parents of William Henderson Nisbett and James Hemphill Cooper Nisbett. More whn I get back.......... -----Original Message----- From: arizard-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:arizard-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Myrlene Hastings Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:34 PM To: ARIZARD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ARIZARD] Names-Marsha Marsha, the names that I checked, W.A.Gault s/b William A. Gault. The Dr James Cooper is a question for me. As far as I know he was not a doctor. . His father was a doctor, d. 1807, we have his will that says his medical insturments be sold at public auction. I think, for what its worth, that the James H. b.1798 d. 1869, in the church records was called Doc, and his grandson James H. b. 1872 was always called Doc. This may not be inportant any way. Thanks for all the time you have put into this. Myrlene ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Myrlene...I am very interested in the Cooper you mentioned... Do you have anything else on Coopers? We have just added a Thomas Cooper to our DNA listing that we have not found a connection to. He married in Lawrence county Ar. in 1857, was born in 1835 in Tn. died in Arkansas in 1884. Does the Will of Dr. James Cooper mention his sons, grandsons?? Any help appricated... Later...Joyce ---- Myrlene Hastings <mdhastings@centurytel.net> wrote: > Marsha, the names that I checked, W.A.Gault s/b William A. Gault. The Dr James Cooper is a question for me. As far as I know he was not a doctor. . His father was a doctor, d. 1807, we have his will that says his medical insturments be sold at public auction. I think, for what its worth, that the James H. b.1798 d. 1869, in the church records was called Doc, and his grandson James H. b. 1872 was always called Doc. This may not be inportant any way. Thanks for all the time you have put into this. Myrlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have tried to place this Kitt Porter Rose in my wife's family and I believe this person is the same as Christopher Porter "Kitt" Rose b. 4 Jan 1840 d. 13 Mar 1919 Jackson Co. MO. He was married to Emily Jane Younger. His parents, and I am still working to prove this were Thomas Lewis Rose b. 1797, Lexington, KY, d. 29 Mar 1864 KY, and Margaret "Peggy" Kirkpactrick b. 1803, Fayette, KY. d. Aft. 1860, probably at Hazel Hill, Johnosn, MO. So to your question, I believe in this case the real name probably was Christopher, although in all census etc. he is listed as Kitt. Don At 09:05 AM 11/17/2010, you wrote: >I have no idea. > >----- Original Message ----- > From: Gen > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:09 AM > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger > > > I have a question on the name Kitt, we had several 'Kits' in > mom's line, used as a nickname for Christopher. Could this be the > same for this Kitt? > gen > > --- On Mon, 11/15/10, Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> wrote: > > > From: Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> > > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger > > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 4:21 PM > > Don, all I can say is that all the > > genealogists I'm in contact with, say there is no proof that > > Elizabeth was surnamed Lee. That's not to say it can't > > be true, most everyone does give her name as Lee or ?Lee > > (meaning unproven). Cole in his biography says she was > > the daughter of "Lighthorse Harry Lee", but I've heard > > several Lee researchers deny that. I just don't know > > for sure, as far as I am aware there has not been a marriage > > license or bond found. > > > > Again, according to Cole's autobiography, "The story of > > Cole Younger" by Himself - Oak Hills Publishing, 818 N. > > Forest Avenue, Springfield, MO 65802. He > > emphatically denies ever having married Belle Shirley. > > He states he first met her when she was 14 years old, the > > daughter of John Shirley. The next time he met her was > > 4 years later and she was the wife of his comrade, Jim Reed, > > and he met her at the home of Jim's mother. "That was > > about 3 months before the birth of her daughter, > > Pearl". She later married Sam Starr. A few years > > later, he again met her and was warned that she wanted him, > > but he made sure to avoid her. According to him, he > > never married anyone. > > > > Emily Younger did marry Kitt Rose Feb 20, 1869 in Jackson > > Co. MO but I have nothing in my file to connect him to his > > parents. You might search the 1850 and 1860 census for > > Kitt P Rose, perhaps you would find him with parents. > > I have him born Jan 1840 so he should be with his parents in > > 1850 for sure, and possibly 1860. I have his birth > > state as Kentucky. > > > > The following from his autobiography: > > "One day Belle Reed told me of her troubles, and that night > > "Aunt Suse" our family servant, warned me "Belle's sure in > > love with you, Cap'n Cole." she explained. "You better > > be careful." What that hint I thereafter evaded the > > wife of my former comrade in arms. Reed was killed a > > few years later after the robbery of the stage near San > > Antonia and Belle married again, this time to Tom or Sam > > Starr. Later she came to Missouri and traveled under > > the name of Younger, boasted of an intimate acquaintance > > with me, served time in state prison, and at this time > > declared that she was my wife, and that the girl Pearl was > > our child. Her story was a fabrication, inspired > > undoubtedly by the notoriety it would give her through the > > Cherokee nation where the name of Younger was widely known > > whether fortunately or unfortunately" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Ott > > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > > > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 3:09 PM > > Subject: [ARIZARD] Younger > > > > > > Wilma, > > You indicated that the wife of Joshua Logan Younger > > who was > > Elizabeth Virginia Lee b. 27 Feb 1755, Prince > > William, VA, d. 15 Sep > > 1787 KY. had not been connected to the Lee Family. I > > thought she was > > the daughter of Henry Lee II, b. ca 1730 Lee Hall, > > Westmoreland, VA, > > d. 15 Aug 1787 Leesylvania Plantation, Prince > > William, VA. and Lucy > > Grymes b. 26 Apr 1734 Morattico, Richmond, VA. c. > > 1792. Henry Lee II, > > is well documented as a Lieutenant Colonel, Judge > > and Senator. That > > line goes back to the immigrant from England Richard > > Henry Lee and > > wife Anna Owen. I know several researchers > > tried to put her in other > > families but I though this was fairly well > > documented. I have not > > researched it in detail. > > I wondered if you know if Thomas Coleman Younger b. > > 15 Jan 1844 > > Lee's Summit, Jackson, MO. married Myra Maebelle > > Shirley. She was > > known as "Belle Starr" I found three other marriages > > for Belle but I > > never found one where she married Thomas > > Coleman Younger. I have > > read about them living together and being partners > > in crimes. > > Emily Jane Younger b. 1852, Lee's Summitt, Jackson, > > MO. sister of > > Thomas Coleman Younger, married a Kitt Porter Rose > > b. 4 Jan 1840 KY. > > I have not been able to tie him to my wife's Rose > > line. Do you know > > his parents names. I see that a Lewis Rose b. 1821 > > KY is living with > > him in 1870 Census, wonder if that is his father. > > Don > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.869 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3260 - Release Date: >11/16/10 01:34:00

Myrlene, Is this the church you told me that would have been in behind where the Todd's lived, on the North Side of Horseshoe Bend or was that a different church? If so that area would have been in Fulton Co between 1842 and 1874 and in Izard Co from 1825 until then and then afterward in Izard Co. Would it have had a connection to Wheeling. Wheeling is just south of Salem on Hwy 9. Even thought I didn't know a lot of the names I looking forward to ready this record. Thanks to all for getting it on for us to read. Betty BB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myrlene Hastings" <mdhastings@centurytel.net> To: <ARIZARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Names-Marsha > Marsha, the names that I checked, W.A.Gault s/b William A. Gault. The Dr > James Cooper is a question for me. As far as I know he was not a doctor. > . His father was a doctor, d. 1807, we have his will that says his > medical insturments be sold at public auction. I think, for what its > worth, that the James H. b.1798 d. 1869, in the church records was called > Doc, and his grandson James H. b. 1872 was always called Doc. This may > not be inportant any way. Thanks for all the time you have put into > this. Myrlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3262 - Release Date: 11/17/10 07:34:00

I have no idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gen To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger I have a question on the name Kitt, we had several 'Kits' in mom's line, used as a nickname for Christopher. Could this be the same for this Kitt? gen --- On Mon, 11/15/10, Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> wrote: > From: Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 4:21 PM > Don, all I can say is that all the > genealogists I'm in contact with, say there is no proof that > Elizabeth was surnamed Lee. That's not to say it can't > be true, most everyone does give her name as Lee or ?Lee > (meaning unproven). Cole in his biography says she was > the daughter of "Lighthorse Harry Lee", but I've heard > several Lee researchers deny that. I just don't know > for sure, as far as I am aware there has not been a marriage > license or bond found. > > Again, according to Cole's autobiography, "The story of > Cole Younger" by Himself - Oak Hills Publishing, 818 N. > Forest Avenue, Springfield, MO 65802. He > emphatically denies ever having married Belle Shirley. > He states he first met her when she was 14 years old, the > daughter of John Shirley. The next time he met her was > 4 years later and she was the wife of his comrade, Jim Reed, > and he met her at the home of Jim's mother. "That was > about 3 months before the birth of her daughter, > Pearl". She later married Sam Starr. A few years > later, he again met her and was warned that she wanted him, > but he made sure to avoid her. According to him, he > never married anyone. > > Emily Younger did marry Kitt Rose Feb 20, 1869 in Jackson > Co. MO but I have nothing in my file to connect him to his > parents. You might search the 1850 and 1860 census for > Kitt P Rose, perhaps you would find him with parents. > I have him born Jan 1840 so he should be with his parents in > 1850 for sure, and possibly 1860. I have his birth > state as Kentucky. > > The following from his autobiography: > "One day Belle Reed told me of her troubles, and that night > "Aunt Suse" our family servant, warned me "Belle's sure in > love with you, Cap'n Cole." she explained. "You better > be careful." What that hint I thereafter evaded the > wife of my former comrade in arms. Reed was killed a > few years later after the robbery of the stage near San > Antonia and Belle married again, this time to Tom or Sam > Starr. Later she came to Missouri and traveled under > the name of Younger, boasted of an intimate acquaintance > with me, served time in state prison, and at this time > declared that she was my wife, and that the girl Pearl was > our child. Her story was a fabrication, inspired > undoubtedly by the notoriety it would give her through the > Cherokee nation where the name of Younger was widely known > whether fortunately or unfortunately" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Ott > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 3:09 PM > Subject: [ARIZARD] Younger > > > Wilma, > You indicated that the wife of Joshua Logan Younger > who was > Elizabeth Virginia Lee b. 27 Feb 1755, Prince > William, VA, d. 15 Sep > 1787 KY. had not been connected to the Lee Family. I > thought she was > the daughter of Henry Lee II, b. ca 1730 Lee Hall, > Westmoreland, VA, > d. 15 Aug 1787 Leesylvania Plantation, Prince > William, VA. and Lucy > Grymes b. 26 Apr 1734 Morattico, Richmond, VA. c. > 1792. Henry Lee II, > is well documented as a Lieutenant Colonel, Judge > and Senator. That > line goes back to the immigrant from England Richard > Henry Lee and > wife Anna Owen. I know several researchers > tried to put her in other > families but I though this was fairly well > documented. I have not > researched it in detail. > I wondered if you know if Thomas Coleman Younger b. > 15 Jan 1844 > Lee's Summit, Jackson, MO. married Myra Maebelle > Shirley. She was > known as "Belle Starr" I found three other marriages > for Belle but I > never found one where she married Thomas > Coleman Younger. I have > read about them living together and being partners > in crimes. > Emily Jane Younger b. 1852, Lee's Summitt, Jackson, > MO. sister of > Thomas Coleman Younger, married a Kitt Porter Rose > b. 4 Jan 1840 KY. > I have not been able to tie him to my wife's Rose > line. Do you know > his parents names. I see that a Lewis Rose b. 1821 > KY is living with > him in 1870 Census, wonder if that is his father. > Don > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The way I understand location of church - - - If you are going from Horseshoe Bend to Glencoe, on the left side is there is a vacant natural gas service center. It is down a gravel road either just before the gas center or just behind the gas center. I was told to look for a white house and turn there.  Church is gone but understand the footprint of building is there. Actually haven't been there (on my list). Can't find directions now but directions came from a list buddy that knew family living on the property. Hope that helps. Marsha --- On Wed, 11/17/10, Betty BB <b-view@centurytel.net> wrote: From: Betty BB <b-view@centurytel.net> Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Names-Marsha To: arizard@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 9:27 AM Myrlene, Is this the church you told me that would have been in behind where the Todd's lived, on the North Side of Horseshoe Bend or was that a different church? If so that area would have been in  Fulton Co between 1842 and 1874  and in Izard Co from 1825 until then and then afterward in Izard Co. Would it have had a connection to Wheeling.  Wheeling is just south of Salem on Hwy 9. Even thought I didn't know a lot of the names I looking forward to ready this record. Thanks to all for getting it on for us to read. Betty BB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myrlene Hastings" <mdhastings@centurytel.net> To: <ARIZARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Names-Marsha > Marsha,  the names that I checked, W.A.Gault s/b William A. Gault.  The Dr > James Cooper is a question for me.  As far as I know he was not a doctor. > .  His father was a doctor,  d. 1807, we have his will that says his > medical insturments be sold at public auction.   I think, for what its > worth, that the  James H. b.1798 d. 1869, in the church records was called > Doc, and his grandson James H. b. 1872 was always called Doc.  This may > not be inportant any way.   Thanks for all the time you have put into > this.  Myrlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3262 - Release Date: 11/17/10 07:34:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I indexed some Mc Collums this morning....Andrew, Clara, Odell, Letha, and Viloet from Franklin Co Township of Black Oak. I am not sure how long it takes to get on line. It is from the Fed 1930 census. Just thought that you would like to know. Joy ________________________________ From: Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 8:05:59 AM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger I have no idea. ----- Original Message -----   From: Gen   To: arizard@rootsweb.com   Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:09 AM   Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger   I have a question on the name Kitt, we had several 'Kits' in mom's line, used as a nickname for Christopher.  Could this be the same for this Kitt?   gen   --- On Mon, 11/15/10, Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> wrote:   > From: Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net>   > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger   > To: arizard@rootsweb.com   > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 4:21 PM   > Don, all I can say is that all the   > genealogists I'm in contact with, say there is no proof that   > Elizabeth was surnamed Lee. That's not to say it can't   > be true, most everyone does give her name as Lee or ?Lee   > (meaning unproven). Cole in his biography says she was   > the daughter of "Lighthorse Harry Lee", but I've heard   > several Lee researchers deny that. I just don't know   > for sure, as far as I am aware there has not been a marriage   > license or bond found.   >   > Again, according to Cole's autobiography, "The story of   > Cole Younger" by Himself - Oak Hills Publishing, 818 N.   > Forest Avenue, Springfield, MO 65802. He   > emphatically denies ever having married Belle Shirley.   > He states he first met her when she was 14 years old, the   > daughter of John Shirley. The next time he met her was   > 4 years later and she was the wife of his comrade, Jim Reed,   > and he met her at the home of Jim's mother. "That was   > about 3 months before the birth of her daughter,   > Pearl". She later married Sam Starr. A few years   > later, he again met her and was warned that she wanted him,   > but he made sure to avoid her. According to him, he   > never married anyone.   >   > Emily Younger did marry Kitt Rose Feb 20, 1869 in Jackson   > Co. MO but I have nothing in my file to connect him to his   > parents. You might search the 1850 and 1860 census for   > Kitt P Rose, perhaps you would find him with parents.   > I have him born Jan 1840 so he should be with his parents in   > 1850 for sure, and possibly 1860. I have his birth   > state as Kentucky.   >   > The following from his autobiography:   > "One day Belle Reed told me of her troubles, and that night   > "Aunt Suse" our family servant, warned me "Belle's sure in   > love with you, Cap'n Cole." she explained. "You better   > be careful." What that hint I thereafter evaded the   > wife of my former comrade in arms. Reed was killed a   > few years later after the robbery of the stage near San   > Antonia and Belle married again, this time to Tom or Sam   > Starr. Later she came to Missouri and traveled under   > the name of Younger, boasted of an intimate acquaintance   > with me, served time in state prison, and at this time   > declared that she was my wife, and that the girl Pearl was   > our child. Her story was a fabrication, inspired   > undoubtedly by the notoriety it would give her through the   > Cherokee nation where the name of Younger was widely known   > whether fortunately or unfortunately"   > ----- Original Message -----   > From: Don Ott   > To: arizard@rootsweb.com   >   > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 3:09 PM   > Subject: [ARIZARD] Younger   >   >   > Wilma,   > You indicated that the wife of Joshua Logan Younger   > who was   > Elizabeth Virginia Lee b. 27 Feb 1755, Prince   > William, VA, d. 15 Sep   > 1787 KY. had not been connected to the Lee Family. I   > thought she was   > the daughter of Henry Lee II, b. ca 1730 Lee Hall,   > Westmoreland, VA,   > d. 15 Aug 1787 Leesylvania Plantation, Prince   > William, VA. and Lucy   > Grymes b. 26 Apr 1734 Morattico, Richmond, VA. c.   > 1792. Henry Lee II,   > is well documented as a Lieutenant Colonel, Judge   > and Senator. That   > line goes back to the immigrant from England Richard   > Henry Lee and   > wife Anna Owen. I know several researchers   > tried to put her in other   > families but I though this was fairly well   > documented. I have not   > researched it in detail.   > I wondered if you know if Thomas Coleman Younger b.   > 15 Jan 1844   > Lee's Summit, Jackson, MO. married Myra Maebelle   > Shirley. She was   > known as "Belle Starr" I found three other marriages   > for Belle but I   > never found one where she married Thomas   > Coleman Younger. I have   > read about them living together and being partners   > in crimes.   > Emily Jane Younger b. 1852, Lee's Summitt, Jackson,   > MO. sister of   > Thomas Coleman Younger, married a Kitt Porter Rose   > b. 4 Jan 1840 KY.   > I have not been able to tie him to my wife's Rose   > line. Do you know   > his parents names. I see that a Lewis Rose b. 1821   > KY is living with   > him in 1870 Census, wonder if that is his father.   > Don   >   >   > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email   > to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com   > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the   > subject and the body of the message   >    > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com   > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the   > subject and the body of the message   >             -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My vote would be for a 'dual listing' if it isn't too much trouble. Some people aren't 'in depth' researchers enough to have studied county lines/formations and wouldn't think of looking in another locale. I know, this group has been doing this for so long, and have ties all over the place, but I'm trying to help some younger folks that have trouble just tracking their own gparents. Just a thought. gen AND I think you are doing a wonderful thing here!

I have a question on the name Kitt, we had several 'Kits' in mom's line, used as a nickname for Christopher. Could this be the same for this Kitt? gen --- On Mon, 11/15/10, Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> wrote: > From: Wilma Norton <wilma.norton@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Younger > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 4:21 PM > Don, all I can say is that all the > genealogists I'm in contact with, say there is no proof that > Elizabeth was surnamed Lee.  That's not to say it can't > be true, most everyone does give her name as Lee or ?Lee > (meaning unproven).  Cole in his biography says she was > the daughter of "Lighthorse Harry Lee", but I've heard > several Lee researchers deny that.  I just don't know > for sure, as far as I am aware there has not been a marriage > license or bond found. > > Again, according to Cole's autobiography, "The story of > Cole Younger" by Himself - Oak Hills Publishing, 818 N. > Forest Avenue, Springfield, MO  65802.  He > emphatically denies ever having married Belle Shirley.  > He states he first met her when she was 14 years old, the > daughter of John Shirley.  The next time he met her was > 4 years later and she was the wife of his comrade, Jim Reed, > and he met her at the home of Jim's mother.  "That was > about 3 months before the birth of her daughter, > Pearl".  She later married Sam Starr.  A few years > later, he again met her and was warned that she wanted him, > but he made sure to avoid her.  According to him, he > never married anyone. > > Emily Younger did marry Kitt Rose Feb 20, 1869 in Jackson > Co. MO but I have nothing in my file to connect him to his > parents.  You might search the 1850 and 1860 census for > Kitt P Rose, perhaps you would find him with parents.  > I have him born Jan 1840 so he should be with his parents in > 1850 for sure, and possibly 1860.  I have his birth > state as Kentucky. > > The following from his autobiography: > "One day Belle Reed told me of her troubles, and that night > "Aunt Suse" our family servant, warned me "Belle's sure in > love with you, Cap'n Cole." she explained.  "You better > be careful."  What that hint I thereafter evaded the > wife of my former comrade in arms.  Reed was killed a > few years later after the robbery of the stage near San > Antonia and Belle married again, this time to Tom or Sam > Starr.  Later she came to Missouri and traveled under > the name of Younger, boasted of an intimate acquaintance > with me, served time in state prison, and at this time > declared that she was my wife, and that the girl Pearl was > our child.  Her story was a fabrication, inspired > undoubtedly by the notoriety it would give her through the > Cherokee nation where the name of Younger was widely known > whether fortunately or unfortunately" >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Don Ott >   To: arizard@rootsweb.com > >   Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 3:09 PM >   Subject: [ARIZARD] Younger > > >   Wilma, >   You indicated that the wife of Joshua Logan Younger > who was >   Elizabeth Virginia Lee b. 27 Feb 1755, Prince > William, VA, d. 15 Sep >   1787 KY. had not been connected to the Lee Family. I > thought she was >   the daughter of Henry Lee II, b. ca 1730 Lee Hall, > Westmoreland, VA, >   d. 15 Aug 1787 Leesylvania Plantation, Prince > William, VA. and Lucy >   Grymes b. 26 Apr 1734 Morattico, Richmond, VA. c. > 1792. Henry Lee II, >   is well documented as a Lieutenant Colonel, Judge > and Senator. That >   line goes back to the immigrant from England Richard > Henry Lee and >   wife Anna Owen.  I know several researchers > tried to put her in other >   families but I though this was fairly well > documented. I have not >   researched it in detail. >   I wondered if you know if Thomas Coleman Younger b. > 15 Jan 1844 >   Lee's Summit, Jackson, MO. married Myra Maebelle > Shirley. She was >   known as "Belle Starr" I found three other marriages > for Belle but I >   never found one where she married  Thomas > Coleman Younger. I have >   read about them living together and being partners > in crimes. >   Emily Jane Younger b. 1852, Lee's Summitt, Jackson, > MO. sister of >   Thomas Coleman Younger, married a Kitt Porter Rose > b. 4 Jan 1840 KY. >   I have not been able to tie him to my wife's Rose > line. Do you know >   his parents names. I see that a Lewis Rose b. 1821 > KY is living with >   him in 1870 Census, wonder if that is his father. >   Don > >     >   ------------------------------- >   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hey Glenna Thanks bunches Jim and Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenna Goodwin" <glennagoodwin@att.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:28:55 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers Betty Mac, Jim and Judy, Mary Ann.etc. , I just found this great website for Caruthers. It is Carothers.-Carruthers.com We may not be related to them, but we may be Anyway, it has lots of interesting stories. I loved the castle pics and stories.too. I just found this site today. It has lots more stuff on Caruthers, too. I did find Arnold, Lafferty, Chism, Estes Smith, Ramsey, Hill, Meredith, and Adams on this site--listed under Nicholas Gillentine descendents. Hope you enjoy this site as much as I did. Glenna Goodwin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marsha, the names that I checked, W.A.Gault s/b William A. Gault. The Dr James Cooper is a question for me. As far as I know he was not a doctor. . His father was a doctor, d. 1807, we have his will that says his medical insturments be sold at public auction. I think, for what its worth, that the James H. b.1798 d. 1869, in the church records was called Doc, and his grandson James H. b. 1872 was always called Doc. This may not be inportant any way. Thanks for all the time you have put into this. Myrlene

Thanks, Glenna; I'lll try that. Betty Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Judy MONTGOMERY" <pabst04@comcast.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers > Hey Glenna > Thanks bunches Jim and Judy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenna Goodwin" <glennagoodwin@att.net> > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 8:28:55 PM > Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Caruthers > > Betty Mac, Jim and Judy, Mary Ann.etc. , I just found this great website > for > Caruthers. It is Carothers.-Carruthers.com We may not be related to them, > but > we may be Anyway, it has lots of interesting stories. I loved the castle > pics > and stories.too. I just found this site today. It has lots more stuff on > Caruthers, too. I did find Arnold, Lafferty, Chism, Estes Smith, Ramsey, > Hill, > Meredith, and Adams on this site--listed under Nicholas Gillentine > descendents. Hope you enjoy this site as much as I did. Glenna Goodwin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3261 - Release Date: 11/16/10 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3261 - Release Date: 11/16/10

Betty Mac, Jim and Judy, Mary Ann.etc. , I just found this great website for Caruthers.  It is Carothers.-Carruthers.com  We may not be related to them, but we   may be Anyway, it has lots of interesting stories. I loved the castle pics and stories.too.   I just found this site today.  It has lots more stuff on Caruthers, too.  I did find Arnold, Lafferty, Chism, Estes Smith, Ramsey, Hill, Meredith, and Adams on this site--listed under Nicholas Gillentine descendents.   Hope you enjoy this site as much as I did.  Glenna Goodwin

I vote for dual listing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Boles" <marshab52@yahoo.com> To: <bilwalsh@swbell.net>; <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Prosperity Church - Update "Would you rather have it posted to Izard County or would posting in Fulton be ok?" I have 2 votes: 1st - strongly favor Fulton for accuracy 2nd - dual listing (like - give link from Izard to Fulton location). Marsha --- On Tue, 11/16/10, Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> wrote: Just to keep everyone in the loop, Prosperity Church is getting very close to being online. I just need to finish the last few pages and format Marsha's transcription as web pages. Once that is done I'll have to extract the images and add them. Now I have a question for the list. Izard County was formed in 1825, Fulton County in 1842. Prosperity Church, according to what I saw in the records was formed about 1859. Was the Church "located" at Wheeling Arkansas? I see that town in a few places in the records. If so, that technically places the church in Fulton County. I'm aware that as close to the county line as Wheeling is there were probably many members that lived in Izard County and most of the long time residents had roots in old Izard County before Fulton was formed. As a general rule of thumb for posting things like church records you post them to the county page where the church was located. In this case it would be a Fulton County page. Being the "boss" [ as well as the janitor and everything else dealing with the site ] I can post it where you all would rather have it posted. Would you rather have it posted to Izard County or would posting in Fulton be ok? -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message