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Betty Mc, I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your sister, Val.  When you lose so many so close together, that is really a hard one to bear--but I know with your  faith and God's help you will make it  thru!  I have had you on my mind for the last week ( guess that is why I wanted Bob's orbit)--just thinking of you!  We have been missing you on the list.  Just know our thoughts and prayers are with you.  Glenna Goodwin ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Betty McCollum <betmac@centurytel.net> To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 6:04:31 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Betty Mc's brother Vera:     Thanks for putting this on the Izard website.  We lost our sister Val Blum (mentioned in Bob's obit) this past Suunday.  This has been a "rough" summer; I have lost a brother, a sister, and 3 first cousins. Betty Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vera Reeves" <velane@centurytel.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Betty Mc's brother >I found this info on Find A Grave. > Had a lot more information that the Calico Rock paper. > Looks like it came from the Batesville Guard. > >      GUION — Robert Harold "Bobby" Guthrie, 78, of Guion died Thursday, > Oct. 7, 2010. > >      Born May 24, 1932, in Bandmill, he was the son of Thomas Walter > Guthrie and Maud Tomlinson Guthrie. He was united in marriage to VaRue > Arnold on Dec. 9, 1952, in Conway. While attending Arkansas State > Teacher's College, he was a member of the baseball team. After graduation > he served in the U.S. Army from 1957 to 1960, having been stationed in > Germany for most of his tour. > >      On returning to Arkansas, he taught at Newport Junior High School and > later became the principal. He earned a master's degree from Arkansas > State University and then served as superintendent at Tuckerman School > District. After nine years there, he served as superintendent at Melbourne > School District for nine years. After leaving the school district, he was > employed by Arkansas Highway Department as an assistant surveyor, retiring > in 1992. > >      Survivors include his wife of 57 years; a son, Robert H. Guthrie Jr. > of Melbourne; two daughters, Nancy Pierce of Van Buren and Gaile Guthrie > of South Carolina; six grandchildren, Thomas Johnson of Melbourne, Summer > Guthrie, Autumn Dale, Savannah Guthrie and Fallon Farris, all of Conway, > and Brooke Johnson of North Carolina; three great-granddaughters, Gracie > Johnson and Lily Hope Johnson, both of Sage, and Sophie Johnson of North > Carolina; a brother, Johnny Guthrie of Batesville; three sisters, Val Blum > of Dearborn, Mich., and Shirley Hill and Betty McCollum, both of > Melbourne; and several nephews and nieces. > >      He was preceded in death by his parents; a brother, Bill Guthrie; and > a sister, Faye Peckham. > >      The funeral was at 2 p.m. Sunday at Howard Memorial Chapel in > Melbourne with Frank Shell and Rob Ernest officiating. Burial was in > Melbourne Cemetery under the direction of Eddie's Family Funeral Home in > Melbourne. > >      Pallbearers were Danny Taylor, Chris Hill, Doyle McCollum, Wally > Guthrie, Paul Womack, Donald Cheatham, Dean Batterton and Danny Simmons. > >      Honorary pallbearers were Tommy Taylor, David McCollum, Vernon Stills > Jr., Steven Cagle, Paul Seay, Shelby Upton, Lynn Pittman, Dick Williamson, > Joe Miles, Glen Hunt, Diane Honey and Laura Guthrie. >      -Batesville Guard, 11 Oct 2010 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3304 - Release Date: 12/08/10 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3304 - Release Date: 12/08/10 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If I am not mistaken this is sponsered by the Ancestry people....in other words LDS Salt Lake City.  And unless the prices have gone up that is the normal cost.  At least that is what we paid when we had ours done. Mary --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Pat Foster <pjf1946@cox.net> wrote: From: Pat Foster <pjf1946@cox.net> Subject: [ARIZARD] (no subject) To: arizard@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 9, 2010, 4:52 AM I GOT THIS FROM ANOTHER WEBSITE! It's from  FAMILY TREE DNA I don't know where you go from here--maybe someone else does? The person who posted it received it as an email from FAMILY TREE people. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ These are great prices! *************** Seasons Greetings! It's time once again for Family Tree DNA's annual end-of-year promotion. Starting tonight, and until December 31st, we will reduce the price of our YDNA37, YDNA67, mtDNAPlus, and Family Finder tests. Price for NEW KITS:Regular Price     Promotional Price YDNA37                   $149                 $119 YDNA67                   $239                 $199 mtDNAPlus               $159                 $129 Family Finder           $289                 $249 Price for UPGRADE:    Family Finder             $289                 $229 Orders must be in and paid for by Dec. 31, 2010, to receive this offer. IMPORTANT: since this promotion will run through the month of December, we encourage you to spread the word starting now, as the natural tendency is for people to order at the last minute, and we will not extend it beyond 12/31/2010. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Betty, I am so sorry to hear your sad news. My deepest sympathies to you, your family, and theirs. Lee Anne

I GOT THIS FROM ANOTHER WEBSITE! It's from FAMILY TREE DNA I don't know where you go from here--maybe someone else does? The person who posted it received it as an email from FAMILY TREE people. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ These are great prices! *************** Seasons Greetings! It's time once again for Family Tree DNA's annual end-of-year promotion. Starting tonight, and until December 31st, we will reduce the price of our YDNA37, YDNA67, mtDNAPlus, and Family Finder tests. Price for NEW KITS:Regular Price Promotional Price YDNA37 $149 $119 YDNA67 $239 $199 mtDNAPlus $159 $129 Family Finder $289 $249 Price for UPGRADE: Family Finder $289 $229 Orders must be in and paid for by Dec. 31, 2010, to receive this offer. IMPORTANT: since this promotion will run through the month of December, we encourage you to spread the word starting now, as the natural tendency is for people to order at the last minute, and we will not extend it beyond 12/31/2010.

betty sorry to hear about Val Did you get to go? June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty McCollum" <betmac@centurytel.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Betty Mc's brother > Vera: > Thanks for putting this on the Izard website. We lost our sister Val > Blum (mentioned in Bob's obit) this past Suunday. This has been a "rough" > summer; I have lost a brother, a sister, and 3 first cousins. > Betty Mc > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vera Reeves" <velane@centurytel.net> > To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:59 PM > Subject: [ARIZARD] Betty Mc's brother > > > >I found this info on Find A Grave. > > Had a lot more information that the Calico Rock paper. > > Looks like it came from the Batesville Guard. > > > > GUION — Robert Harold "Bobby" Guthrie, 78, of Guion died Thursday, > > Oct. 7, 2010. > > > > Born May 24, 1932, in Bandmill, he was the son of Thomas Walter > > Guthrie and Maud Tomlinson Guthrie. He was united in marriage to VaRue > > Arnold on Dec. 9, 1952, in Conway. While attending Arkansas State > > Teacher's College, he was a member of the baseball team. After graduation > > he served in the U.S. Army from 1957 to 1960, having been stationed in > > Germany for most of his tour. > > > > On returning to Arkansas, he taught at Newport Junior High School and > > later became the principal. He earned a master's degree from Arkansas > > State University and then served as superintendent at Tuckerman School > > District. After nine years there, he served as superintendent at Melbourne > > School District for nine years. After leaving the school district, he was > > employed by Arkansas Highway Department as an assistant surveyor, retiring > > in 1992. > > > > Survivors include his wife of 57 years; a son, Robert H. Guthrie Jr. > > of Melbourne; two daughters, Nancy Pierce of Van Buren and Gaile Guthrie > > of South Carolina; six grandchildren, Thomas Johnson of Melbourne, Summer > > Guthrie, Autumn Dale, Savannah Guthrie and Fallon Farris, all of Conway, > > and Brooke Johnson of North Carolina; three great-granddaughters, Gracie > > Johnson and Lily Hope Johnson, both of Sage, and Sophie Johnson of North > > Carolina; a brother, Johnny Guthrie of Batesville; three sisters, Val Blum > > of Dearborn, Mich., and Shirley Hill and Betty McCollum, both of > > Melbourne; and several nephews and nieces. > > > > He was preceded in death by his parents; a brother, Bill Guthrie; and > > a sister, Faye Peckham. > > > > The funeral was at 2 p.m. Sunday at Howard Memorial Chapel in > > Melbourne with Frank Shell and Rob Ernest officiating. Burial was in > > Melbourne Cemetery under the direction of Eddie's Family Funeral Home in > > Melbourne. > > > > Pallbearers were Danny Taylor, Chris Hill, Doyle McCollum, Wally > > Guthrie, Paul Womack, Donald Cheatham, Dean Batterton and Danny Simmons. > > > > Honorary pallbearers were Tommy Taylor, David McCollum, Vernon Stills > > Jr., Steven Cagle, Paul Seay, Shelby Upton, Lynn Pittman, Dick Williamson, > > Joe Miles, Glen Hunt, Diane Honey and Laura Guthrie. > > -Batesville Guard, 11 Oct 2010 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3304 - Release Date: 12/08/10 > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3304 - Release Date: 12/08/10 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The other day I ran across an old map and got to looking at it and something from the Prosperity papers about Newhope came to mind: "These families settled on the North side of the Strawberry, and below the fork of Strawberry; and some 8 to 10 miles below where Properity now is." Does anyone know how far it is from Wheeling to Wiseman? There's a fork of the Strawberry and the Little Strawberry just outside of Wiseman. Would Newhope have been near Wiseman? -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Betty, so sorry to hear of your sister's death, you have had more than your share this year. I do hope and pray that next year will be better. God Bless you and your family, Myrlene

Vera: Thanks for putting this on the Izard website. We lost our sister Val Blum (mentioned in Bob's obit) this past Suunday. This has been a "rough" summer; I have lost a brother, a sister, and 3 first cousins. Betty Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vera Reeves" <velane@centurytel.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Betty Mc's brother >I found this info on Find A Grave. > Had a lot more information that the Calico Rock paper. > Looks like it came from the Batesville Guard. > > GUION — Robert Harold "Bobby" Guthrie, 78, of Guion died Thursday, > Oct. 7, 2010. > > Born May 24, 1932, in Bandmill, he was the son of Thomas Walter > Guthrie and Maud Tomlinson Guthrie. He was united in marriage to VaRue > Arnold on Dec. 9, 1952, in Conway. While attending Arkansas State > Teacher's College, he was a member of the baseball team. After graduation > he served in the U.S. Army from 1957 to 1960, having been stationed in > Germany for most of his tour. > > On returning to Arkansas, he taught at Newport Junior High School and > later became the principal. He earned a master's degree from Arkansas > State University and then served as superintendent at Tuckerman School > District. After nine years there, he served as superintendent at Melbourne > School District for nine years. After leaving the school district, he was > employed by Arkansas Highway Department as an assistant surveyor, retiring > in 1992. > > Survivors include his wife of 57 years; a son, Robert H. Guthrie Jr. > of Melbourne; two daughters, Nancy Pierce of Van Buren and Gaile Guthrie > of South Carolina; six grandchildren, Thomas Johnson of Melbourne, Summer > Guthrie, Autumn Dale, Savannah Guthrie and Fallon Farris, all of Conway, > and Brooke Johnson of North Carolina; three great-granddaughters, Gracie > Johnson and Lily Hope Johnson, both of Sage, and Sophie Johnson of North > Carolina; a brother, Johnny Guthrie of Batesville; three sisters, Val Blum > of Dearborn, Mich., and Shirley Hill and Betty McCollum, both of > Melbourne; and several nephews and nieces. > > He was preceded in death by his parents; a brother, Bill Guthrie; and > a sister, Faye Peckham. > > The funeral was at 2 p.m. Sunday at Howard Memorial Chapel in > Melbourne with Frank Shell and Rob Ernest officiating. Burial was in > Melbourne Cemetery under the direction of Eddie's Family Funeral Home in > Melbourne. > > Pallbearers were Danny Taylor, Chris Hill, Doyle McCollum, Wally > Guthrie, Paul Womack, Donald Cheatham, Dean Batterton and Danny Simmons. > > Honorary pallbearers were Tommy Taylor, David McCollum, Vernon Stills > Jr., Steven Cagle, Paul Seay, Shelby Upton, Lynn Pittman, Dick Williamson, > Joe Miles, Glen Hunt, Diane Honey and Laura Guthrie. > -Batesville Guard, 11 Oct 2010 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3304 - Release Date: 12/08/10 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3304 - Release Date: 12/08/10

http://books.google.com/books?id=JkURAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA287&sig=jbttNp8wvozPy13zG14DaQhla-w&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false   Page 12   Research of Name Index for Prosperity Church has gotten very involved.  I started out trying to correct name spelling or make sure the transcription would be correct due to variance in cursive penmanship. Oh my ! where this has led  ! ! ! The above is an online book of only 500 pages.  Some of you might find it of interest.  It is laborious reading and sifting through to find names for the many initials. The initial findings include naming patterns of some of our folks probably come from these 2 books.  Our ancestors held some of these men in such high esteem, they named their children for them.  My own GGF, John Patrick Montgomery was named after one these ministers.  Monroe Oates Montgomery is another name sake of an ARP minister.  Nearly all these families hale from NC.  Even if your folks came from AL, GA, KY, TN, MO,  or IL  - those families likely have NC ties.  If your male kindred have Hemphill, Strong, Moffatt, Montgomery, Patterson in their names, suspect they are Scotts and Presbyterian. From the inside cover of  Prosperity record book it is clear the founding fathers wanted the  organized religion and the church of their fathers.  They sent for ordained ministers from NC.  (Page 12 will give more rationale for this.) In all the minutes of formal meetings, the treasurers’ report includes funding for home and foreign missions.  Erskine College in NC was (and still is) a major stepping stone for young men preparing for the ministry.  I believe some of these mission funds went to help pay some of the expenses of missionary pastors and they brought with them students from Erskine College.  This fulfilled their mission statement, gave the students realistic experience of what their future in the church could become and opened the possibilities of re-locating to places far from their home.  It was probably like it is now too, safer not to travel alone. Erskine College is interesting in it’s own right (1837-now). The Erksine family of ministers (father and 2 sons) were Scotts bent of the reformation of the church.  They were theologians and educators.  No doubt they spread the belief to the subjects they mentored, to be prepared as both ministers and teachers.  The  Presidents of Erskine College historically are both professors and pastors of church too (that 3 jobs). Families  from AL, GA, KY, TN, MO,  or IL  sent their sons there for college.  If you have read Prosperity record and found some of your folks married into those other families, you have probably aware of the number of other allied families you are related too (like the Gleghorns and Gaults having 5 marriages within their families).  These ARP ministers from Erskine College must have taken an oath to keep it in the family too.  Preachers kids marry other preachers kids and widowed pastors re-marry widows of other pastors. These Scotts really held an allegiance to one another. I knew about checking church records for documentation but finding this book carries it to another level. There are 3 parts of this 500 page book.  Last section gives bios  of lots historic churches in the south and some in the west,  but it is not all in alphabetically order.  Be willing to skim around. Soo o o o . . . on one of these cold dark nights, might want to skim through the book and see what you find. Marsha  

Good for you Peggy - Bravo!  I have worked all shifts in nursing and been out at all hours of the day and night - it's all in God's hands.  Now I live with my mother and she thinks I am being rude to her by not getting my stuff done and getting home by dark.  Did you notice it was dark an 5 PM ? ? ? Next time mom needs a transfusion, I want her to get a unit of blood you donated! Marsha PS - glad Glenna daughter had a good time in Israel too. --- On Wed, 12/8/10, PEGGY TRUESDELL <truesdellp@att.net> wrote: Hi, Glenna!  Glad to know your daughter is home from her wonderful trip. One of my nieces, Dianne, goes to Israel at least once a year.  Some years ago they learned her husband had Jewish ancestry a couple generations back, and they embraced the religion and practice it.  After 9/11 I made some cautionary remarks about world travel and she said God had already determined when and where she would die.  I ran that by one of my Baptist friends and she said my niece was right about that.  So, from then on, I've "supported" her choices. During a visit with her a couple years ago, she said "who cares" about our genealogy.  I backed her up, and reminded her that I am not negative about what she chooses to do -- and I don't appreciate her being negative about what I do.  So, no more disparaging remarks. My son Barry has lived in Japan since 1988 after graduating from the University of Tulsa.  He went there to teach "English" to adolescent Japanese children.  I had friends in the work place who would tell me, "There's going to be an earthquake there -- you need to tell him to come home."  I didn't see it that way.  I believed it was his choice.  I always believed our children "are loaned" to us.  Barry has obtained his Master's and Ph.D (from Columbia University of NY in Tokyo) and is a professor in a Japanese university. So, Glenna, glad for your daughter and glad for you that she's safe and sound -- and had a good time!  Have a great day and stay warm. Peggy                                                               ________________________________ From: Glenna Goodwin <glennagoodwin@att.net> My daughter, Denise got back from Israel alright, but worn out from the 24 hour flight back.  She said it was wonderful, and she has so many happy memories.  Asked her about the fire they had over there--she said it was over on Mt. Carmel, and they went there the first day they were there--so they missed it.  She said the only thing that happened was when they went to the Temple Mount, there had been some shooting about 6 minutes before they got there.  But she said on the whole, she felt safe as could be.         

I second that.  I don't know anyone that does so much for others as Vera.  Besides I happen to know that she does tons of other stuff....like all her work in the cemeteries.  God Bless you Vera. Mary --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Glenna Goodwin <glennagoodwin@att.net> wrote: From: Glenna Goodwin <glennagoodwin@att.net> Subject: [ARIZARD] Arizard: Bob's orbit To: arizard@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 8:52 PM Thank you so much, Vera.  Don't know what we would do without you--anytime anyone needs anything, you are johnny on the spot to help.  I still can't believe I could not remember his last name--guess just old age!  Thanks so much for your help.  Glenna G. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found this info on Find A Grave. Had a lot more information that the Calico Rock paper. Looks like it came from the Batesville Guard. GUION — Robert Harold "Bobby" Guthrie, 78, of Guion died Thursday, Oct. 7, 2010. Born May 24, 1932, in Bandmill, he was the son of Thomas Walter Guthrie and Maud Tomlinson Guthrie. He was united in marriage to VaRue Arnold on Dec. 9, 1952, in Conway. While attending Arkansas State Teacher's College, he was a member of the baseball team. After graduation he served in the U.S. Army from 1957 to 1960, having been stationed in Germany for most of his tour. On returning to Arkansas, he taught at Newport Junior High School and later became the principal. He earned a master's degree from Arkansas State University and then served as superintendent at Tuckerman School District. After nine years there, he served as superintendent at Melbourne School District for nine years. After leaving the school district, he was employed by Arkansas Highway Department as an assistant surveyor, retiring in 1992. Survivors include his wife of 57 years; a son, Robert H. Guthrie Jr. of Melbourne; two daughters, Nancy Pierce of Van Buren and Gaile Guthrie of South Carolina; six grandchildren, Thomas Johnson of Melbourne, Summer Guthrie, Autumn Dale, Savannah Guthrie and Fallon Farris, all of Conway, and Brooke Johnson of North Carolina; three great-granddaughters, Gracie Johnson and Lily Hope Johnson, both of Sage, and Sophie Johnson of North Carolina; a brother, Johnny Guthrie of Batesville; three sisters, Val Blum of Dearborn, Mich., and Shirley Hill and Betty McCollum, both of Melbourne; and several nephews and nieces. He was preceded in death by his parents; a brother, Bill Guthrie; and a sister, Faye Peckham. The funeral was at 2 p.m. Sunday at Howard Memorial Chapel in Melbourne with Frank Shell and Rob Ernest officiating. Burial was in Melbourne Cemetery under the direction of Eddie's Family Funeral Home in Melbourne. Pallbearers were Danny Taylor, Chris Hill, Doyle McCollum, Wally Guthrie, Paul Womack, Donald Cheatham, Dean Batterton and Danny Simmons. Honorary pallbearers were Tommy Taylor, David McCollum, Vernon Stills Jr., Steven Cagle, Paul Seay, Shelby Upton, Lynn Pittman, Dick Williamson, Joe Miles, Glen Hunt, Diane Honey and Laura Guthrie. -Batesville Guard, 11 Oct 2010

I noticed I can't spell. I spelled granddaughters wrong. > White River Currant, Calico Rock, Arkansas > > Robert "Bobby" Harold Guthrie, son of the late Thomas Walter Guthrie and > Maud Tominson Guthrie, was born May 24, 1932. He departed this life on > October 7, 2010. > > He was united in marriage to VaRue Arnold. > > He is survived by his wife of 57 years; two daughters, Nancy pierce and > Gaile Guthrie; one son, Robert H. Guthrie, Jr.; six grandchildren; three > great grandcaughters; one brother; three sisters; numerous nieces and > nephews and a host of other relatives and many good friend. > > He was preceded in death by his parents; one sister; one brother. > > Funeral service was October 10 at the Howard Memorial Chapel in Melbourne > with Frank Shell and Rob Ernest officiating. > > Burial is at Melbourne Cemetery under the direction of Eddie's Family > Funeral Home in Melbourne. > ================== > This doesn't say where he was born or where he died. > I noticed both Howard Memorial and Eddie's Family Funeral Home was > mentioned. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

White River Currant, Calico Rock, Arkansas Robert "Bobby" Harold Guthrie, son of the late Thomas Walter Guthrie and Maud Tominson Guthrie, was born May 24, 1932. He departed this life on October 7, 2010. He was united in marriage to VaRue Arnold. He is survived by his wife of 57 years; two daughters, Nancy pierce and Gaile Guthrie; one son, Robert H. Guthrie, Jr.; six grandchildren; three great grandcaughters; one brother; three sisters; numerous nieces and nephews and a host of other relatives and many good friend. He was preceded in death by his parents; one sister; one brother. Funeral service was October 10 at the Howard Memorial Chapel in Melbourne with Frank Shell and Rob Ernest officiating. Burial is at Melbourne Cemetery under the direction of Eddie's Family Funeral Home in Melbourne. ================== This doesn't say where he was born or where he died. I noticed both Howard Memorial and Eddie's Family Funeral Home was mentioned.

> Vera Bob Guthrie is betty Mc bro. June Without an idea when or where it's a little like going fishing without any bait. Was this in the last few months, years or sometime ago ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vera Reeves" <velane@centurytel.net> > To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:33 PM > Subject: [ARIZARD] Glenna Goodwin > > >> I know who you're talking about but what is her brother's name ? >> I don't think I know her maiden name, if I do I've forgotten. >> When and where to I start looking. >> >> ============================= >> >> > Vera, I was talking about Betty Mc's brother. Glenna >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> > From: Vera Reeves <velane@centurytel.net> >> > To: arizard@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 11:54:53 AM >> > Subject: [ARIZARD] Glenna Goodwin >> > >> > You ask >> > Vera, did you ever get an orbit for Betty"s bro, Bob >> > >> > You will have to refresh my memory. >> > Bob who ? >> > ============================ >> >> My daughter, Denise got back from Israel alright, but worn out from >> >> the >> >> 24 >> >> hour >> >> flight back. She said it was wonderful, and she has so many happy >> >> memories. >> >> Asked her about the fire they had over there--she said it was over on > Mt. >> >> Carmel, and they went there the first day they were there--so they > missed >> >> it. >> >> She said the only thing that happened was when they went to the Temple >> >> Mount, >> >> there had been some shooting about 6 minutes before they got there. >> >> But >> >> she >> >> said on the whole, she felt safe as could be. Just wondering, haven't >> >> heard anything from Betty Mc and Jim S. lately---are you guys still >> >> out >> >> there? >> >> Vera, did you ever get an orbit for Betty"s bro, Bob---I don't >> >> remember >> >> seeing >> >> it, but who knows with me. The cold weather has finally hit OK.--had >> >> to >> >> dig out >> >> my sweats to get warmed up! Guess I better go check and see what I can >> >> find out >> >> new about those long-lost relatives! Glenna Goodwin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in >> > the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, June ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Ramsey" <junebug@centurytel.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Glenna Goodwin > > Vera Bob Guthrie is betty Mc bro. June > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vera Reeves" <velane@centurytel.net> > To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:33 PM > Subject: [ARIZARD] Glenna Goodwin > > >> I know who you're talking about but what is her brother's name ? >> I don't think I know her maiden name, if I do I've forgotten. >> When and where to I start looking. >> >> ============================= >> >> > Vera, I was talking about Betty Mc's brother. Glenna >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> > From: Vera Reeves <velane@centurytel.net> >> > To: arizard@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 11:54:53 AM >> > Subject: [ARIZARD] Glenna Goodwin >> > >> > You ask >> > Vera, did you ever get an orbit for Betty"s bro, Bob >> > >> > You will have to refresh my memory. >> > Bob who ? >> > ============================ >> >> My daughter, Denise got back from Israel alright, but worn out from >> >> the >> >> 24 >> >> hour >> >> flight back. She said it was wonderful, and she has so many happy >> >> memories. >> >> Asked her about the fire they had over there--she said it was over on > Mt. >> >> Carmel, and they went there the first day they were there--so they > missed >> >> it. >> >> She said the only thing that happened was when they went to the Temple >> >> Mount, >> >> there had been some shooting about 6 minutes before they got there. >> >> But >> >> she >> >> said on the whole, she felt safe as could be. Just wondering, haven't >> >> heard anything from Betty Mc and Jim S. lately---are you guys still >> >> out >> >> there? >> >> Vera, did you ever get an orbit for Betty"s bro, Bob---I don't >> >> remember >> >> seeing >> >> it, but who knows with me. The cold weather has finally hit OK.--had >> >> to >> >> dig out >> >> my sweats to get warmed up! Guess I better go check and see what I can >> >> find out >> >> new about those long-lost relatives! Glenna Goodwin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in >> > the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much, Vera.  Don't know what we would do without you--anytime anyone needs anything, you are johnny on the spot to help.  I still can't believe I could not remember his last name--guess just old age!  Thanks so much for your help.  Glenna G.

Vera Bob Guthrie is betty Mc bro. June ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vera Reeves" <velane@centurytel.net> To: <arizard@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:33 PM Subject: [ARIZARD] Glenna Goodwin > I know who you're talking about but what is her brother's name ? > I don't think I know her maiden name, if I do I've forgotten. > When and where to I start looking. > > ============================= > > > Vera, I was talking about Betty Mc's brother. Glenna > > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > From: Vera Reeves <velane@centurytel.net> > > To: arizard@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 11:54:53 AM > > Subject: [ARIZARD] Glenna Goodwin > > > > You ask > > Vera, did you ever get an orbit for Betty"s bro, Bob > > > > You will have to refresh my memory. > > Bob who ? > > ============================ > >> My daughter, Denise got back from Israel alright, but worn out from the > >> 24 > >> hour > >> flight back. She said it was wonderful, and she has so many happy > >> memories. > >> Asked her about the fire they had over there--she said it was over on Mt. > >> Carmel, and they went there the first day they were there--so they missed > >> it. > >> She said the only thing that happened was when they went to the Temple > >> Mount, > >> there had been some shooting about 6 minutes before they got there. But > >> she > >> said on the whole, she felt safe as could be. Just wondering, haven't > >> heard anything from Betty Mc and Jim S. lately---are you guys still out > >> there? > >> Vera, did you ever get an orbit for Betty"s bro, Bob---I don't remember > >> seeing > >> it, but who knows with me. The cold weather has finally hit OK.--had to > >> dig out > >> my sweats to get warmed up! Guess I better go check and see what I can > >> find out > >> new about those long-lost relatives! Glenna Goodwin > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ARIZARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> After 9/11 I made some cautionary remarks about world travel and she said God had already determined when and where she would die. > I ran that by one of my Baptist friends and she said my niece was right about that. So, from then on, I've "supported" her > choices. God KNOWS when and where we'll die, but if you step in front of a speeding bus or jump out of a plane without a parachute YOU are determining when and where you'll die. There's a difference. God gave us a brain for a reason. Not saying going to Israel is dangerous. Just as when traveling anywhere unfamiliar, if you stay with a group and a guide you should be as safe or safer there as anywhere. > During a visit with her a couple years ago, she said "who cares" about our genealogy. I backed her up, and reminded her that I am > not negative about what she chooses to do -- and I don't appreciate her being negative about what I do. Good for you! Live and let live. Someday she may appreciate all your hard work. I wish I'd developed an interest in my own family history about 25 years before I did. ----- Original Message ----- From: PEGGY TRUESDELL To: arizard@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [ARIZARD] Arizard:off subject Hi, Glenna! Glad to know your daughter is home from her wonderful trip. One of my nieces, Dianne, goes to Israel at least once a year. Some years ago they learned her husband had Jewish ancestry a couple generations back, and they embraced the religion and practice it. After 9/11 I made some cautionary remarks about world travel and she said God had already determined when and where she would die. I ran that by one of my Baptist friends and she said my niece was right about that. So, from then on, I've "supported" her choices. During a visit with her a couple years ago, she said "who cares" about our genealogy. I backed her up, and reminded her that I am not negative about what she chooses to do -- and I don't appreciate her being negative about what I do. So, no more disparaging remarks. My son Barry has lived in Japan since 1988 after graduating from the University of Tulsa. He went there to teach "English" to adolescent Japanese children. I had friends in the work place who would tell me, "There's going to be an earthquake there -- you need to tell him to come home." I didn't see it that way. I believed it was his choice. I always believed our children "are loaned" to us. Barry has obtained his Master's and Ph.D (from Columbia University of NY in Tokyo) and is a professor in a Japanese university. So, Glenna, glad for your daughter and glad for you that she's safe and sound -- and had a good time! Have a great day and stay warm. Peggy