Hi, Odell! Thanks for your message! I had kind of come to the conclusion that it really was Carl E. and not sloppy handwriting for Charles C. - I'm always the optimist - but thanks for the confirmation. You never know what variation there might be to the name KILLMAN/KILMAN, but I don't think the KILLIAN would be a match. I see Charles SHAW in the 1910 and 1920 AR census, but don't know how long they stayed in the area. Dora Ethel's family doesn't appear to be in AR at all in 1920 (they were in 1910), and I don't yet know where they went after 1910. I don't think they all died - they're not in the 1914 and later AR death index. I guess they could've all died between 1910 and 1914, but not likely. I'm thinking that James KILLMAN, Dora Ethel's father, may have gone by Dave KILLMAN (he was James D. KILLMAN). My grandfather told me he was "Dave KILLMAN of Hickory Valley, AR". I'll post this to the AR lists also, if you don't mind - you never know who might see it that could give me a lucky break. Here's the census data I'm working off of: Census, 1900, AR, Izard Co, Franklin Township, SD 2, ED 161, Sheet 5, page 304a, line 15, 74/74: KILLMAN, James D, head, w, m, Oct 1851, 48, m, 16, KY, KY, KY, farmer, R, F, 72; Drucilla C, wife, w, f, Jun 1860, 39, m, 16, 6, 4, MO, MO, AL; Clara L, dau, w, f, Feb 1888, 12, AR; Dora E, dau, w, f, Sep 1890, 9, AR; Maud A, dau, w, f, Mar 1883, 7, AR; David E, son, w, m, Aug 1895, 4, AR. 1910 Independence Co., AR, Barren Twp., ED 25, sh. 1b, 16-18 April 1910: 12/12 James D. KILMAN, male, white, 55, married 25 years, farmer, rents farm, Ky, Ky, Ky Drucilla, wife, 50, married 25 years, 6 children/3 living, MO, MO, GA Maud Ann, dtr., 17, single, AR, KY MO David Elis, son, 15, single, AR KY MO, laborer, home farm Jane Ann LAWSON, sister, 59, widow, 7 children/3 living, Ky Ky Ky (Clara L. looks to have died between 1900 and 1910) 13/13 Charlie C. SHAW, male, white, 22, married once 5/12, AR TN AR, farmer, rents Dora Ethel, wife, 19, married once 5/12, 0 children/0 living, AR KY MO 1920 Sharp Co., AR, Richwoods Twp., ED 141, sh. 2b, 6 January 1920: 34/34 Charles C. SHAW, rents, 30, AR AR AR, general farmer Dora E., wife, 27, AR AR AR James W., son, 7, AR AR AR Willie H., son, 1/12, AR AR AR Thanks, again, Odell, for responding back to me!!! Mary --- Odell Shaw <[email protected]> wrote: > Mary, I am sorry I didn't respond to your query. > With regard to the Carl E. Shaw, son of Azor Abel > Shaw, he is not your Charles C.Shaw. Carl E. was an > older brother to my father Luther Birse Shaw. > I have never run across a Charles Shaw in my line. > I will look around data in Izard and Sharp Counties > maybe I can find him and will let you know if I do. > Could your Dora Ethel Killman have been a "Killian" > ? I know the Killian name but have never run across > "Killman". > The Betty you referred to is a good friend of mine, > Betty McCollum. > Let me know if you get this and if I can be of > further assistance. > Odell Shaw >
Have you checked the Jackson Co.Ar census?? Alot of people that lived in that area migrated starting around 1900 to Jackson, Poinsett and Craighead counties in Ar. Others went to Texas, Arizona and on to California. Ginger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Henderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: [AR IND.] Re: Charles C. SHAW b. 1888/1890 AR m. Dora Ethel KILLMAN b. 9-1890 AR > Hi, Odell! > > Thanks for your message! I had kind of come to the > conclusion that it really was Carl E. and not sloppy > handwriting for Charles C. - I'm always the optimist - > but thanks for the confirmation. > > You never know what variation there might be to the > name KILLMAN/KILMAN, but I don't think the KILLIAN > would be a match. > > I see Charles SHAW in the 1910 and 1920 AR census, but > don't know how long they stayed in the area. Dora > Ethel's family doesn't appear to be in AR at all in > 1920 (they were in 1910), and I don't yet know where > they went after 1910. I don't think they all died - > they're not in the 1914 and later AR death index. I > guess they could've all died between 1910 and 1914, > but not likely. > > I'm thinking that James KILLMAN, Dora Ethel's father, > may have gone by Dave KILLMAN (he was James D. > KILLMAN). My grandfather told me he was "Dave KILLMAN > of Hickory Valley, AR". > > I'll post this to the AR lists also, if you don't mind > - you never know who might see it that could give me a > lucky break. > > Here's the census data I'm working off of: > > Census, 1900, AR, Izard Co, Franklin Township, SD 2, > ED 161, Sheet 5, page 304a, line 15, 74/74: > KILLMAN, James D, head, w, m, Oct 1851, 48, m, 16, KY, > KY, KY, farmer, R, F, 72; > Drucilla C, wife, w, f, Jun 1860, 39, m, 16, 6, 4, MO, > MO, AL; > Clara L, dau, w, f, Feb 1888, 12, AR; > Dora E, dau, w, f, Sep 1890, 9, AR; > Maud A, dau, w, f, Mar 1883, 7, AR; > David E, son, w, m, Aug 1895, 4, AR. > > 1910 Independence Co., AR, Barren Twp., ED 25, sh. 1b, > 16-18 April 1910: > 12/12 > James D. KILMAN, male, white, 55, married 25 years, > farmer, rents farm, > Ky, Ky, Ky > Drucilla, wife, 50, married 25 years, 6 children/3 > living, MO, MO, GA > Maud Ann, dtr., 17, single, AR, KY MO > David Elis, son, 15, single, AR KY MO, laborer, home > farm > Jane Ann LAWSON, sister, 59, widow, 7 children/3 > living, Ky Ky Ky > > (Clara L. looks to have died between 1900 and 1910) > > 13/13 > Charlie C. SHAW, male, white, 22, married once 5/12, > AR TN AR, farmer, rents > Dora Ethel, wife, 19, married once 5/12, 0 children/0 > living, AR KY MO > > 1920 Sharp Co., AR, Richwoods Twp., ED 141, sh. 2b, 6 > January 1920: > 34/34 > Charles C. SHAW, rents, 30, AR AR AR, general farmer > Dora E., wife, 27, AR AR AR > James W., son, 7, AR AR AR > Willie H., son, 1/12, AR AR AR > > Thanks, again, Odell, for responding back to me!!! > > Mary > > > --- Odell Shaw <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mary, I am sorry I didn't respond to your query. > > With regard to the Carl E. Shaw, son of Azor Abel > > Shaw, he is not your Charles C.Shaw. Carl E. was an > > older brother to my father Luther Birse Shaw. > > I have never run across a Charles Shaw in my line. > > I will look around data in Izard and Sharp Counties > > maybe I can find him and will let you know if I do. > > Could your Dora Ethel Killman have been a "Killian" > > ? I know the Killian name but have never run across > > "Killman". > > The Betty you referred to is a good friend of mine, > > Betty McCollum. > > Let me know if you get this and if I can be of > > further assistance. > > Odell Shaw > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB