That census is hard to read in places (1870) Here's what I could see; #165/178 TALLEY, WILLIAM 40 M working on farm born in Tenn. , MARY 37 F keeping house born "unreadable" , ELIZ. 17 F '' , ? E. 15 M working on farm '' , SARAH E. 13 F '' , MARTHA ? 11 F '' , WILLIAM C. 9 M '' , SAMUEL 7 M '' , ANNIE? 2 F Arkansas from the Independence Co. Ark 1870 Census Frank Blankenship
Thank you so very much! I don't believe he is the one I'm searching for, but I do appreciate your time. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AR IND.] 1870 census lookup request > That census is hard to read in places (1870) Here's what I could see; > #165/178 TALLEY, WILLIAM 40 M working on farm born in Tenn. > , MARY 37 F keeping house born "unreadable" > , ELIZ. 17 F > '' > , ? E. 15 M working on farm '' > , SARAH E. 13 F '' > , MARTHA ? 11 F '' > , WILLIAM C. 9 M '' > , SAMUEL 7 M '' > , ANNIE? 2 F > Arkansas > > from the Independence Co. Ark 1870 Census Frank Blankenship > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >
Hello I found a William Talley on the Independence Co. 1870 census index - he is living in Big Bottom Twp. - page 33 in the census. I would REALLY appreciate a lookup on him and his family. I've lost him after the 1860 census. He should be around 42 yrs old, born in TN and may have sons William, James and Samuel living with him. Also, possibly a son named John. Any help GREATLY appreciated. Wilma
I guess everyone has heard that we lost a girl from Batesville in the plane crash yesterday. Her name was Sarah Low , she was on one of the planes that hit the towers. Lets all pray for her family and thank God for the time they had with her altho short. I'm just heartsick for all the lifes that were lost in this awfull mess. Dortha
I don't know why several of "you" are sending me "unsubscribe" messages. I do not have any thing to do with the service performed for Independence county or for that matter any other. I am just a simple subscriber, too. ray Wilson
> --- Cindy Treadway <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, I'm sure there were two, because I thought > > maybe there were two stones<snip> > > says he died January 28, 1850, while Wm. L.'s > > says d. March 28, 1858, so > > it's possible it could be for the same person > > with the date wrong on one > > stone. Well this is a pickle argh. I do know that William L. had a nephew William L. but he wasn't born until about 1841 (this family seemed to love the name William - everyone of the brothers had a William for a son sheesh)... I'll have to revisit it. hmm.. I've looked at the census and I only remember one William L. on it (of the right age)...but that was the 1850 census and I can't remember the month so he probably died by the census time in 1850. What's really funny is that William L. was the census taker that year. LOL. arhg. phooey. dang now I really need an old newspaper. does anyone know if there was one in the 1850's in Independence county, AR? ===== Crystal Wallace mailto:[email protected] alt mailto:[email protected] Researching: EARP(TN-MO),HARMON-CRUMP-GRINDSTAFF-SAPP-WREN(MO),MCGUIRE(NC-MO-ARK-TX),WALLACE(ILL-MO),ALLEN-BUCK-WOODBURY(ME),LOVE(NY-MI),ISTED(NY or MI),DECKER(TN-MO),JARBOE(KS-TX-MO),MOORE(TN),MORRISON(NE),HUNTER(PA-OH), HEISLER, MYERS(IL-NE), GILSON(NE), STAAL(NE), DRAPER ...more to follow :) :) :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
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No, I've just been doing surveys of cemeteries in Independence County the last two years to get online. I started out doing those with my ancestors, then added others as favors to those I'd met through the Internet who couldn't get to Independence County themselves, plus requests from others who wished they had updates to the cemeteries in the book by the Greens, and just ballooned from there. Right now, I've done about 32 cemeteries in Independence County (five of which I've still got to type and get online), including Oaklawn Cemetery (which took me two full weeks to survey--I think it had about 7500 names and I know that didn't include all of the earliest burials. Most of my ancestors are buried around the Newark/Cord area. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Gamel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS > Cindy, So you already had them,huh? Were they yours? Dortha > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cindy Treadway <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS > > > > Actually, I was just at Pioneer Cemetery a few weeks ago and did a survey > > and there were two stones with William L. McGuire. Wm. L. died January > 28, > > 1850, while William L. died March 26, 1856. Mary Jane was buried next to > > Wm. L. and Mary A. was next to William L. > > > > Several surveys of Independence County cemeteries can be found at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/arkansas/ar-independence.html. Most > were > > made this year and last year, while others are no more than 5 or 6 years > > old. > > > > Cindy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "D Gamel" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS > > > > > > > Crystal, Found several McGUIRES but this may be yours. This cem is the > > old > > > one right in town of Batesville--Lots of old graves. > > > Ruddell tws Pioneer cemetery > > > McGUIRE,WILLIAM L. d. 20 jan 1850 age 47 > > > " MARY JANE w/o WILLIAM L. d.24 sep 1845 age 25 > > > " Mrs.MARY A. w/o W.L. b. 7 aug1828-21 mar1860 > > > " JANNETTI H. d/o W.L. and M.A. b. 10 june1853-7 may 1871 > > > There was also this couple, might have been Wm.s parents??? > > > McGUIRE,JOHN d. 26 aug 1843 age 72 > > > " CYNTHIA w/o JOHN d. 26 dec 1849 age 69 > > > > > > Greenbrier tws Alderbrook cem > > > McGUIRE,ROBT. s/o W.L. and M.A. b. 27 feb 1852-30 dec 1877 > > > Thought this might be a son of Wm.L. > > > Hope these help you Dortha Gamel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Crystal <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS > > > > > > > > > > Are you doing lookups for Ind Co AR cemeteries? > > > > If so could you look and see if you see William L. > > > > McGuire and Mary A. (AND) Mary J. McGuire I think > > > > William L. died around 1856/8 - his first wife Mary J. > > > > would have died before 1850..not sure of when his > > > > second wife died but I think before 1860 since his > > > > kids were living with their uncle Elam or Edwin > > > > McGuire in the 1860 census. They lived in Greenbriar > > > > TWP by Big Bottom, Batesville areas. (I think). > > > > I've found Elam and Edwins graves in Oaklawn but > > > > didn't see William L.'s grave - or his wifes. > > > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Crystal Wallace > > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > alt mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > > > Researching: > > > > > > > > > > EARP(TN-MO),HARMON-CRUMP-GRINDSTAFF-SAPP-WREN(MO),MCGUIRE(NC-MO-ARK-TX),WALL > > > ACE(ILL-MO),ALLEN-BUCK-WOODBURY(ME),LOVE(NY-MI),ISTED(NY or > > > MI),DECKER(TN-MO),JARBOE(KS-TX-MO),MOORE(TN),MORRISON(NE),HUNTER(PA-OH), > > > HEISLER, MYERS(IL-NE), GILSON(NE), STAAL(NE), DRAPER ...more to follow > :) > > :) > > > :) > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > > > Messenger > > > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > > your heritage! > > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > > your heritage! > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >
Actually, I was just at Pioneer Cemetery a few weeks ago and did a survey and there were two stones with William L. McGuire. Wm. L. died January 28, 1850, while William L. died March 26, 1856. Mary Jane was buried next to Wm. L. and Mary A. was next to William L. Several surveys of Independence County cemeteries can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/arkansas/ar-independence.html. Most were made this year and last year, while others are no more than 5 or 6 years old. Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Gamel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS > Crystal, Found several McGUIRES but this may be yours. This cem is the old > one right in town of Batesville--Lots of old graves. > Ruddell tws Pioneer cemetery > McGUIRE,WILLIAM L. d. 20 jan 1850 age 47 > " MARY JANE w/o WILLIAM L. d.24 sep 1845 age 25 > " Mrs.MARY A. w/o W.L. b. 7 aug1828-21 mar1860 > " JANNETTI H. d/o W.L. and M.A. b. 10 june1853-7 may 1871 > There was also this couple, might have been Wm.s parents??? > McGUIRE,JOHN d. 26 aug 1843 age 72 > " CYNTHIA w/o JOHN d. 26 dec 1849 age 69 > > Greenbrier tws Alderbrook cem > McGUIRE,ROBT. s/o W.L. and M.A. b. 27 feb 1852-30 dec 1877 > Thought this might be a son of Wm.L. > Hope these help you Dortha Gamel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Crystal <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS > > > > Are you doing lookups for Ind Co AR cemeteries? > > If so could you look and see if you see William L. > > McGuire and Mary A. (AND) Mary J. McGuire I think > > William L. died around 1856/8 - his first wife Mary J. > > would have died before 1850..not sure of when his > > second wife died but I think before 1860 since his > > kids were living with their uncle Elam or Edwin > > McGuire in the 1860 census. They lived in Greenbriar > > TWP by Big Bottom, Batesville areas. (I think). > > I've found Elam and Edwins graves in Oaklawn but > > didn't see William L.'s grave - or his wifes. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > ===== > > Crystal Wallace > > mailto:[email protected] > > alt mailto:[email protected] > > > > Researching: > > > EARP(TN-MO),HARMON-CRUMP-GRINDSTAFF-SAPP-WREN(MO),MCGUIRE(NC-MO-ARK-TX),WALL > ACE(ILL-MO),ALLEN-BUCK-WOODBURY(ME),LOVE(NY-MI),ISTED(NY or > MI),DECKER(TN-MO),JARBOE(KS-TX-MO),MOORE(TN),MORRISON(NE),HUNTER(PA-OH), > HEISLER, MYERS(IL-NE), GILSON(NE), STAAL(NE), DRAPER ...more to follow :) :) > :) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > Messenger > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >
William L. McGuire. > Wm. L. died January 28, > 1850, while William L. died March 26, 1856. Mary > Jane was buried next to > Wm. L. and Mary A. was next to William L. Okay I got so excited I forgot to ask.. Are you sure there were two? did they have any other info other than the death date (so I can try to place them?) ... Crystal (still excited :) :) yea! ===== Crystal Wallace mailto:[email protected] alt mailto:[email protected] Researching: EARP(TN-MO),HARMON-CRUMP-GRINDSTAFF-SAPP-WREN(MO),MCGUIRE(NC-MO-ARK-TX),WALLACE(ILL-MO),ALLEN-BUCK-WOODBURY(ME),LOVE(NY-MI),ISTED(NY or MI),DECKER(TN-MO),JARBOE(KS-TX-MO),MOORE(TN),MORRISON(NE),HUNTER(PA-OH), HEISLER, MYERS(IL-NE), GILSON(NE), STAAL(NE), DRAPER ...more to follow :) :) :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
Whoooo hoooo Thank you all for the cemetery record. I've been having a disagreement with some other genealogist about who were the Children of John McGuire and Cynthia Sharpe.... I just knew it was right. Yeah... now I just need to get the obituaries and yes! I will have succeeded <doing the happy dance>. Thank you all ever so much. :) :) :) Crystal. ===== Crystal Wallace mailto:[email protected] alt mailto:[email protected] Researching: EARP(TN-MO),HARMON-CRUMP-GRINDSTAFF-SAPP-WREN(MO),MCGUIRE(NC-MO-ARK-TX),WALLACE(ILL-MO),ALLEN-BUCK-WOODBURY(ME),LOVE(NY-MI),ISTED(NY or MI),DECKER(TN-MO),JARBOE(KS-TX-MO),MOORE(TN),MORRISON(NE),HUNTER(PA-OH), HEISLER, MYERS(IL-NE), GILSON(NE), STAAL(NE), DRAPER ...more to follow :) :) :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
retjc I searched both HELMS ( 1) and HELM in Ind Co Cem book and did not find WILLIAM or CALLIE HELMS, Sorry. Dortha Gamel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: HELMS, TUBBS, WOLFORD > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QV.2ADI/108 > > Message Board Post: > > I am searching for the burial place of my gr grandparents Willam and Callie HELMS. They were listed on the 1880 Independence Co AR census. William owned land in Izard Co AR. And their daughter was living in Izard Co AR in 1910. Are there any of the other decendants who have any information about where they died and were buried. Any information will be appreciated. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > >
I checked the Independence Co. Cem. book and it shows no William or Callie Helms. Myrvin
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Jordon, Arkansas is listed on the Arkansas Highway Department Map in Marion County, North Central Arkansas on Arkansas 177, at the South End of Norfork Lake. Maps are available from the Highway Dept. at no cost Arkansas State Highway and Transportation Department P O Box 2261 Little Rock, Arkansas 72203. I have found the highway dept. maps, more complete than the atlas. You can check flea markets for older highway maps that are very helpful in finding towns. John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:22 AM Subject: [AR IND.] Re: Henry Hinton and Lydia Scribner Hinton > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QV.2ADI/27.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > My atlas does not list a Jordon, AR. I do not know where it is located. Sorry. > > Shirley > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >
I don't know how much information they would have or if they are the right ones but there are some Tubbs around Grubbs, Jackson County, and there are some Helms in the Bradford area (White County) not far from the Independence County Line. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 3:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AR IND.] Burial Place of WILLIAM and CALLIE HELMS This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HELMS, TUBBS, WOLFORD Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QV.2ADI/108 Message Board Post: I am searching for the burial place of my gr grandparents Willam and Callie HELMS. They were listed on the 1880 Independence Co AR census. William owned land in Izard Co AR. And their daughter was living in Izard Co AR in 1910. Are there any of the other decendants who have any information about where they died and were buried. Any information will be appreciated. ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library
Well there are many, many cemetaries in Independence. Have you checked the usgenweb tombstones project page? I know there are some listed in some of those cemeteries. I know there are Bevans in White Oak (or something like White Oak). There are Bevins in another cemetery from those pages. But the best thing is to look on the 1910 census and see what area he was living in and check the cemeteries around that town/township rather than perusing the whole Independence county. Its probable that he still lived there when he died since it was only four years (unless he had just moved to TN or something). ===== Crystal Wallace mailto:[email protected] alt mailto:[email protected] Researching: EARP(TN-MO),HARMON-CRUMP-GRINDSTAFF-SAPP-WREN(MO),MCGUIRE(NC-MO-ARK-TX),WALLACE(ILL-MO),ALLEN-BUCK-WOODBURY(ME),LOVE(NY-MI),ISTED(NY or MI),DECKER(TN-MO),JARBOE(KS-TX-MO),MOORE(TN),MORRISON(NE),HUNTER(PA-OH), HEISLER, MYERS(IL-NE), GILSON(NE), STAAL(NE), DRAPER ...more to follow :) :) :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com
Have you checked the Jackson Co.Ar census?? Alot of people that lived in that area migrated starting around 1900 to Jackson, Poinsett and Craighead counties in Ar. Others went to Texas, Arizona and on to California. Ginger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Henderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: [AR IND.] Re: Charles C. SHAW b. 1888/1890 AR m. Dora Ethel KILLMAN b. 9-1890 AR > Hi, Odell! > > Thanks for your message! I had kind of come to the > conclusion that it really was Carl E. and not sloppy > handwriting for Charles C. - I'm always the optimist - > but thanks for the confirmation. > > You never know what variation there might be to the > name KILLMAN/KILMAN, but I don't think the KILLIAN > would be a match. > > I see Charles SHAW in the 1910 and 1920 AR census, but > don't know how long they stayed in the area. Dora > Ethel's family doesn't appear to be in AR at all in > 1920 (they were in 1910), and I don't yet know where > they went after 1910. I don't think they all died - > they're not in the 1914 and later AR death index. I > guess they could've all died between 1910 and 1914, > but not likely. > > I'm thinking that James KILLMAN, Dora Ethel's father, > may have gone by Dave KILLMAN (he was James D. > KILLMAN). My grandfather told me he was "Dave KILLMAN > of Hickory Valley, AR". > > I'll post this to the AR lists also, if you don't mind > - you never know who might see it that could give me a > lucky break. > > Here's the census data I'm working off of: > > Census, 1900, AR, Izard Co, Franklin Township, SD 2, > ED 161, Sheet 5, page 304a, line 15, 74/74: > KILLMAN, James D, head, w, m, Oct 1851, 48, m, 16, KY, > KY, KY, farmer, R, F, 72; > Drucilla C, wife, w, f, Jun 1860, 39, m, 16, 6, 4, MO, > MO, AL; > Clara L, dau, w, f, Feb 1888, 12, AR; > Dora E, dau, w, f, Sep 1890, 9, AR; > Maud A, dau, w, f, Mar 1883, 7, AR; > David E, son, w, m, Aug 1895, 4, AR. > > 1910 Independence Co., AR, Barren Twp., ED 25, sh. 1b, > 16-18 April 1910: > 12/12 > James D. KILMAN, male, white, 55, married 25 years, > farmer, rents farm, > Ky, Ky, Ky > Drucilla, wife, 50, married 25 years, 6 children/3 > living, MO, MO, GA > Maud Ann, dtr., 17, single, AR, KY MO > David Elis, son, 15, single, AR KY MO, laborer, home > farm > Jane Ann LAWSON, sister, 59, widow, 7 children/3 > living, Ky Ky Ky > > (Clara L. looks to have died between 1900 and 1910) > > 13/13 > Charlie C. SHAW, male, white, 22, married once 5/12, > AR TN AR, farmer, rents > Dora Ethel, wife, 19, married once 5/12, 0 children/0 > living, AR KY MO > > 1920 Sharp Co., AR, Richwoods Twp., ED 141, sh. 2b, 6 > January 1920: > 34/34 > Charles C. SHAW, rents, 30, AR AR AR, general farmer > Dora E., wife, 27, AR AR AR > James W., son, 7, AR AR AR > Willie H., son, 1/12, AR AR AR > > Thanks, again, Odell, for responding back to me!!! > > Mary > > > --- Odell Shaw <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mary, I am sorry I didn't respond to your query. > > With regard to the Carl E. Shaw, son of Azor Abel > > Shaw, he is not your Charles C.Shaw. Carl E. was an > > older brother to my father Luther Birse Shaw. > > I have never run across a Charles Shaw in my line. > > I will look around data in Izard and Sharp Counties > > maybe I can find him and will let you know if I do. > > Could your Dora Ethel Killman have been a "Killian" > > ? I know the Killian name but have never run across > > "Killman". > > The Betty you referred to is a good friend of mine, > > Betty McCollum. > > Let me know if you get this and if I can be of > > further assistance. > > Odell Shaw > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McCullum/Montgomery Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/QV.2ADI/109 Message Board Post: I need any info on Mrs. McCullom she was Hugh P. Montgomery's third wife. They were located in the Betheseda area and had two children. Hugh P Montgomery died in August of 1892. They are my ggrandparents.
Hi, Odell! Thanks for your message! I had kind of come to the conclusion that it really was Carl E. and not sloppy handwriting for Charles C. - I'm always the optimist - but thanks for the confirmation. You never know what variation there might be to the name KILLMAN/KILMAN, but I don't think the KILLIAN would be a match. I see Charles SHAW in the 1910 and 1920 AR census, but don't know how long they stayed in the area. Dora Ethel's family doesn't appear to be in AR at all in 1920 (they were in 1910), and I don't yet know where they went after 1910. I don't think they all died - they're not in the 1914 and later AR death index. I guess they could've all died between 1910 and 1914, but not likely. I'm thinking that James KILLMAN, Dora Ethel's father, may have gone by Dave KILLMAN (he was James D. KILLMAN). My grandfather told me he was "Dave KILLMAN of Hickory Valley, AR". I'll post this to the AR lists also, if you don't mind - you never know who might see it that could give me a lucky break. Here's the census data I'm working off of: Census, 1900, AR, Izard Co, Franklin Township, SD 2, ED 161, Sheet 5, page 304a, line 15, 74/74: KILLMAN, James D, head, w, m, Oct 1851, 48, m, 16, KY, KY, KY, farmer, R, F, 72; Drucilla C, wife, w, f, Jun 1860, 39, m, 16, 6, 4, MO, MO, AL; Clara L, dau, w, f, Feb 1888, 12, AR; Dora E, dau, w, f, Sep 1890, 9, AR; Maud A, dau, w, f, Mar 1883, 7, AR; David E, son, w, m, Aug 1895, 4, AR. 1910 Independence Co., AR, Barren Twp., ED 25, sh. 1b, 16-18 April 1910: 12/12 James D. KILMAN, male, white, 55, married 25 years, farmer, rents farm, Ky, Ky, Ky Drucilla, wife, 50, married 25 years, 6 children/3 living, MO, MO, GA Maud Ann, dtr., 17, single, AR, KY MO David Elis, son, 15, single, AR KY MO, laborer, home farm Jane Ann LAWSON, sister, 59, widow, 7 children/3 living, Ky Ky Ky (Clara L. looks to have died between 1900 and 1910) 13/13 Charlie C. SHAW, male, white, 22, married once 5/12, AR TN AR, farmer, rents Dora Ethel, wife, 19, married once 5/12, 0 children/0 living, AR KY MO 1920 Sharp Co., AR, Richwoods Twp., ED 141, sh. 2b, 6 January 1920: 34/34 Charles C. SHAW, rents, 30, AR AR AR, general farmer Dora E., wife, 27, AR AR AR James W., son, 7, AR AR AR Willie H., son, 1/12, AR AR AR Thanks, again, Odell, for responding back to me!!! Mary --- Odell Shaw <[email protected]> wrote: > Mary, I am sorry I didn't respond to your query. > With regard to the Carl E. Shaw, son of Azor Abel > Shaw, he is not your Charles C.Shaw. Carl E. was an > older brother to my father Luther Birse Shaw. > I have never run across a Charles Shaw in my line. > I will look around data in Izard and Sharp Counties > maybe I can find him and will let you know if I do. > Could your Dora Ethel Killman have been a "Killian" > ? I know the Killian name but have never run across > "Killman". > The Betty you referred to is a good friend of mine, > Betty McCollum. > Let me know if you get this and if I can be of > further assistance. > Odell Shaw >