Melissa, I dont think anyone is on Ardrew but you, Beth, and me re holidays! this is a good subject. you should repost after New Year holiday is over. Following is my off the top of head response. I think most folks had a wagon. I have heard of a few men who walked here or rode a horse, but not families. And most of them were in groups....but some alone. One family I know of, the woman actually rode in a carriage...but that was unusual. And remember some of the people came here in boats....down the MS and up the Black, REd, Ouachita and thenthe Saline. As far as crossing the river....there were ferries across the MS...Gaines Landing was a major crossing for our area. I have heard stories of the single men who caught a log on the MS and rode it across or who swam their horses across. Also if people arrived at the MS and no ferry there, they made a raft. Yes, some people drove their stock. They usually had a cow or two just to have the milk on the way. and of course they had the horses, mules, or oxen which pulled the wagon. They probably did not try to bring hogs....doubt the hogs would have followed as the one in "Lonesome Dove." ha. They knew they could round them up some hogs when they got to their destination. What they saw when they got here was primeval wilderness! What made them stop was the fertile soil and good water supply. Generally, if they came from hill country, they settled in hill country. If from flatland, they settled in flatland. Seems like Carolyn Haisty posted a pretty good thing on the route from Tishimingo County? I have been to that place. It is absolutely beautiful country. best....Rebecca > > I'd still be interested in learning more about the migration from > Tishomingo County, MS, to Drew County, AR, if anyone has any ideas. Did > folks travel mostly on foot or in wagons? Did they drive cattle to Drew > County? Did they cross the Mississippi River in big flat-bottomed boats? > Where did they cross the Mighty Mississipp? > > What did folks see when they first set foot in Drew County? What made > them stop and say "This is where I want to be!"? > > Any stories or theories are welcome! > > --Melissa

Cousin M. axed if there was any stories or theories about when they first set foot in Drew County and what made them stop and say, "This is where I want to be!"? I am a direct descendent of the Ozment brothers who settled on the River Saline circa 1842 and I used to ask myself that same question. I grew up within one mile of Ozment's Bluff and what I consider the most beautiful place I have ever seen in all my travels. However, my couzin Lynn seems to think the brothers settled at Gee's Landing and that place is just as pretty. While growing up roaming the river bottoms, the banks of the Saline, fishing and swimming along the Drew/Bradley boundry, it came to me one day they must have felt drawn to this surrounding. Perhaps it was a sheltering feeling of home??? I think of all my ancestors who chose the banks of the Saline and the fertile farm lands and rich forests of Possum Valley to build their lives. There was Richard Knowles, Dr. James C. Glennon, M.D., Anna Mariah Adkins, Thomas Hales, Alfred Ozment, and Joseph White. Perhaps it was Divine Providence that has brought me to where I am now????? This don't answer M's question, but it does make for some good "mush" coming from me, doesn't it? Yaw'll have a Merry Christmas and God bless ya. BW

This is the only reply about any migration and there was no list. you might write to the name on the other forward ot this Wm Monroe for their information source.......BETH >From: "William Monroe" <wlmonroe@hotmail.com> >Old-To: NCSCOTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Notes: Wagon-train from NC to Mississippi >Some notes you may find of interest:> >Dilworth migration:> >"The wagon trail from Greensboro, NC to Joneboro in Tennessee, then west >to Nashville. Trail turns south to Columbia then west toward savannah, >TN. Cross the Tennessee River to Purdy, now called Selmer. At Selmer a >wagon road led south to Corinth, Mississippi."> >"Distance from NC to Mississippi, was about 600 miles, and required more >than two months travel time."> >"A move to a new region usually included the biblical twelve familes >traveling as a unit."

For those interested in Civil War research, this is forwarded from another list: There is a new list for those people who want to discuss CW era prisoners of war and the camps themselves, both Union and Confederate. You must be a member to post. To subscribe, send a message to CW-POW-L-request@rootsweb.com or CW-POW-D-request@rootsweb.com Sue morgana@ghg.net

rdea recommended I post this to the list....thus far no one on the other list has posted an answer to this query....you might write the address at the top of the posting and see where the person got the idea that there was such a train...BT

Terri Lee Wolfe (terrilee@ipa.net) wrote: >>"Distance from NC to Mississippi, was about 600 miles, and required more >>than two months travel time."> Hi, all, I'd still be interested in learning more about the migration from Tishomingo County, MS, to Drew County, AR, if anyone has any ideas. Did folks travel mostly on foot or in wagons? Did they drive cattle to Drew County? Did they cross the Mississippi River in big flat-bottomed boats? Where did they cross the Mighty Mississipp? What did folks see when they first set foot in Drew County? What made them stop and say "This is where I want to be!"? Any stories or theories are welcome! --Melissa

>Reply-To: <rdea@seark.net> >From: "rdea" <rdea@seark.net> >To: "Terri Lee Wolfe" <terrilee@ipa.net> >Subject: Re: 200 Wagon Wagon-train from NC to Tennessee (1810-1815) >Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:23:16 -0600 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >Content-Length: 1590 > >Beth...I cant remember anyone searching for Wilson on Ardrew. >But this info is very interesting....if I were you , I would post to >Ardrew.....I certainly would like to know more about this wagon train. >never heard of such a thing. >> Resent-Sender: NCSCOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >BlueTur357@aol.com writes: >> > I am seeking information on a 200 Wagon Wagon-train from NC to>Tennessee >> > (1810-1815). According to our family oral history our ancestors came>from >> > Central North Carolina (Guilford County) to Nashville Tennessee as part>of a >> > 200 wagon wagon train sometime between 1810 and 1815. The Wades,>Wilsons >> and>> > Johnsons were on this wagon train. I have traced Seth Wade and Robert>Wade >> >to> Randolph County, NC in 1810. Am still seeking NC origins of Charles>> Johnson >> > and William Wilson. Is there a "wagon train list" and, if so, how>would I >> >get> a copy of it? Thanks!>> >This would also be of great interest to me. I am searching the family >of>> >Daniel Cameron who came from NC to TN probably 1807-8. If there was one >in>> >1810-1815 time frame then there prob was one earlier too. >> >Thanks P.J. Cowling >

In a message dated 12/14/98 7:14:01 PM, you wrote: <<Is there a "wagon train list" and, if so, how>would I >> >get> a copy of it? Thanks!>>> if there is a wagon train list...I would be interested in it also. Bettye

Does anyone know more about the Hearne/Owen connection, and whether these folks in the obit ar connected to Helen's family? FYI, we're leaving this Friday morning for Arkansas! I can send my "itinerary" to anyone who would like it...already planning on hooking up with Jann Woodard & Alice Cabe in Benton Friday evening. Hope to see more friends & cousins in Monticello at the book signing this coming Sunday... --Melissa ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 12/14 12:17 AM Received: 12/14 9:55 AM From: Helen C. Leigh, musicgal@uswest.net Reply-To: musicgal@phnx.uswest.net To: ARDREW-L/Jones, Melissa, tsaritsa@ix.netcom.com Hi, Melissa - I have forgotten if you're still in town, but I had an old obituary that I picked out of the Dallas Morning News (1981) when I was still back there, as follows: OBITUARY - HEARNE/OWEN (Collateral?) Dallas Morning News (Texas) - April 15, 1981 SUTPHEN Glenn David, 7343 Eccles, Dallas. Survived by wife, Frances Sutphen, brothers, Jack Sutphen, and Jim Sutphen, sisters, Jessie Mae Garrity, Ruth Vanacek, all of Dallas; Zelma Langdon, Burbank, CA. Services 3 p.m., Wednesday, Dudley M. Hughes, Buckner Chapel, Rev. Wayne Smith and Rev. Dan Carroll, officiating. Interment Pleasant Mound Cemetery. Pallbearers: Wendell Hearne, Carl Hearne, Bill Hearne, Murl Owen, Bill Owen, Ronald Bateman. The reason I picked it up is that my great-grandmother Eugenia Ann Yates McCann had a sister named Josephine Yates, who married a Hearne and lived in Monticello, Drew County, AR. They had a daughter named Mable A. Hearne, who married an Owen. Her children were Hellums Owen and Hearn Owen. This was just too much to be a co-incidence. I have no knowledge of the Sutphen family (that I can remember), but if you think this would be a proper listing, would you place it on the list? It is/was (do you know the meaning of "is?") my gr-grandmother, Eugenia Ann Yates who married John Wiley McCann. Helen Leigh ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------

Looking for information on the WILLIAMS family. A William H. Williams married a M. J. HEFLIN. Thanks Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to Drew Co People

Karen, I found this about a Harmon in MS........possibly this will help you. > #6 [MSNOXUBE-L] Harmon ["James Harmon" <jlharmon@tenet.edu] >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:58:29 -0600 >From: "James Harmon" <jlharmon@tenet.edu> >To: MSNOXUBE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <36709865.1162AD68@tenet.edu> >Subject: [MSNOXUBE-L] Harmon >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >looking for information on the Harmon family that lived in Noxubee >county from about 1839 to 1870. The move there from Greenwood S.C. and >later move to Kaufman county Texas. Beth Thurman or Terri Wolfe Monticello, AR 367-2701

For those who have written: The book is $40.00. $l5.00 goes to the museum, who has contracted to sell 100 books. The signing will be Dec. 20. If you are going to purchase one anyway, we surely would appreciate your getting from the museum. Every little bit helps. As I mentioned earlier, their latest project to to hopefully turn the carriage house into a general store, and some type of elevator or lift is needed for the elderly and handicapped. The estimated cost is $l6,000. Mr. Willis is a native Drew Countian and the son of a native son, former Supt. of Drew Central Schools, Mr. Earl Willis. In fact, our auditorium is named for him. Drew Co. Historical Museum 404 S. Main Monticello, AR 7l655 870-367-7446 ATTN: Mrs. Wilma Hankins, Mrs. Henri Mason, Mrs. Ruby Jeter, or Mrs. Melba Dunn Beth Thurman or Terri Wolfe Monticello, AR 367-2701

---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 12/10 9:04 AM Received: 12/10 9:55 AM From: Paulgron@aol.com To: ARDREW-L-request@rootsweb.com Hi. New to the list. Families in Drew/Lincoln/Desha Counties (boundry changes!!) that I am working on. Would love to hear from and share with anyone with possible connections. Walter Allen GILL (1880-1908) & Bertie May COLLINS (1884-1910) Abner E. GILL (1850-1904) & Caledonia "Callie" ?? (1857-1908) George W. GILL (1811-1893) & Mary ?? (1818-1879) William M. COLLINS (1851-1933) & Viola Allice ?? (abt 1857-1900) Joyeux COLLINS (1825-1908) & Mary Ann BROWN (1827-1910) Paul Groneman 202 South Ridge Circle Georgetown, TX 78628 ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------

Jo-Ann, I'd like a copy. Thanks, Lee -----Original Message----- From: bahai@netusa1.net [mailto:bahai@netusa1.net] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 1998 1:23 AM To: ARDREW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ARDREW-L] Obituary for James Brazil, age 32 I have an old obituary for James Brazil, age 32, who died of a heart attack (date unknown) after collapsing outside of Teeter's store. According to the article, he drove a school bus for Tillar and was a veteran of WW II. If anyone is interested in this family, I'll be happy to relay the ariticle in its entirety. No other family surnames are listed. Jo-Ann Stephens bahai@netusa1.net

>From: "Little Bit" <bills_littlebit@hotmail.com> >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:28:45 PST >Subject: [ARBRADLE-L] Re: Hales >To: ARBRADLE-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: ARBRADLE-L@rootsweb.com > >Good Morning Cousin Bill, > >I hope that was not too much to send at once. I have so much more, but >don't know yet how to get it out of my genealogy program to send. Maybe >I can take the time to learn now since I am out of school 'til Jan 04, >1999. I still have to send it on to Lee, since he has so much info, but >is waiting to see what I still need. When school starts back up in Jan, >I will have to stop on genealogy 'til summer, so I will try to get as >much info as I can now. > >As for Thomas & Obedience (??) Hales, they are also my ggg-grandparents, >and I don't know her maiden name either. I did not know that they came >from Wales. The info I have on them, came from the 1860 Drew Co AR >Census, for Veasey Township. According to the info that my Mom took off >that Census, Thomas was born in 1805 in GA, and Obedience was born in >1810 with no state given. There are four children listed living with >them: >1. John T. 22 in 1860, b. ca 1838 >2. Girl ?? no name listed, 16 in 1860, b. ca 1844 AR >3. James Monroe (Jim) 13 in 1860, b. 06 Oct 1846 m. ?? d. 14 Mar 1911 > married Amanda Thompson >4. Christopher Franklin (Frank) 10 in 1860, b. ca 1850? Drew Co AR m. >16 Jun 1871 to Amanda E Savage Drew Co AR d. Waco TX???? 1895 no >confirmation on his place of death or his resting place. Apparently >this was not a subject that was discussed in the family as my Dad was >growing up. > >Is that your gg-grandmother Susannah "Sook" Katherine who is their >second child? Or was she somewhere in between #1 & #2? I would like to >have her information and any other descendant info that you have, if you >are willing to share it. and yes I would love to hear the story of >Permelia Jane Ozment-White. Now I understand how the Ozment's fit into >the Outlaw Cemetery!! > >I think I will close for now and see if I can figure out how to extract >info to send from my geanology program. > >Have a great day! :) > >Cousin Liza > >>From: "Bill White" <bwhite.faculty.dc@drew.sesc.k12.ar.us> >>To: bills_littlebit@hotmail.com >>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:19:03 -0600 >>Subject: Hales >> >>Hi Littlebit, >> >>Got your info. this morning and have printed it to take home and >>"digest" later. Thank you very much. >> >>I saw on the news last night that the Santa Ana wind was giving >>CA some "brutal" weather. Is that affecting you? >> >>My ggg-grandparents were Thomas and Obedience Hales. I do not know >>what Obedience's maiden name was. I know nothing about the origin of >>the Hales or of Thomas except they were from Wales according to some >>of the local Hales. Perhaps you can help me here. >> >>My gg-grandmother was Susannah "Sook" Katherine Hales-Ozment and was >>married to William Overton Ozment. She was a midwife in Possum >>Valley and delived most all the slave and white babies during the >>Civil War times. In 1860 she had four children and three of the four >>died in March of that year and are buried out in the woods at what >>was the old home place at that time. My great-grandmother, Permelia >>Jane Ozment-White, was about 2 years old in 1860 and was the only one >>to survive what-ever epidemic hit at that time. Permelia Jane is >>another long story if you ever want to hear it. >> >>Have a great day, may God bless and keep you safe. >> >>Cousin Bill > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

>I am including all of the CSA Pension list I received from Archives. Hey, thanks.....I've been to that archives a jillion times but never knew this was there.....need to look up Albert Trapnell wolfe record........I can't find him in any unit but know he was because he did apply for pension so Uncle says.......I just can't find it.....uncle said the first name was off......trying to hide baby brother's identity so uncle thinks because big brothers were raiding in the NOrth on UNofficial business connedted w/the war........

>childrren of William Overton & Susannah "Sook" Katherine Hales-Ozment. There's that SOOK again.....drives me crazy.....would really like to know its origin....or why it appeared.....

In regards to Melissa's mentioning the Willis book, you can order autographed copy from the museum through either Mrs. Hankins or Mrs. Mason....let me know and I'll tell them.....40 buck....15 goes for proceeds for the museum.....he will be signing Dec. 20.....BEth The museum needs to sell one hundred to prophet as we've contracted for that many.

Robbie...I need your email address. Rebecca

Bill....would you please explain more re how/what Aunt Lizzie made the filling. re Charles Fred and the buttons: do you mean buttons only and no bones? I think the bones would still be there? Lets take this subject one step further: Anyone know why they used to sit up with the body until buried? Well, maybe some out of pure respect, but it was necessary to keep the cats off of it. Cats are extremely attracted to corpses and this aint no old wives tale. They would eat it if given the chance. People have told me this over and over. Sometimes a cat got in and would begin eating the face area. One of the people who told me this was my own mother. She saw it happen. Not the eating - just the cats jumping on the casket trying to get in. Others have said that they remember cats outside the house mewing loudly and trying to get in. What about the "dreaded body bursting?" Ever heard that one. [Hope no one is trying to eat their lunch right now.] I believe the burials are at the southwest area behind the cemetery. Best I can remember no one now knows who was bu there. Rebecca ;;;;Bill wrote: Aunt Lizzie White once > showed me a set of cotton combs (do you remember those, Lynn?) that > she used to make the filling for the inside of caskets. > > While I am on this macabre subject, Charlie Fred Dearman once told me > that those cypress built coffins are still in the ground, even after > more than a century. He said they were usually filled in with dirt > and perhaps all you could find of the remains of a person would be a > couple of buttons, but the cypress lumber is still there. > Charlie Fred would be a great resource for ARDREW!!! > > Cousin Rdea reminded me that there are graves outside the fence at > the 16th, out in the edge of the woods and unmarked. Jerry Eubanks > once told me about this and told me where to look to find the > indentions in the ground where the graves were. Now, I can't > remember where they are or, if he said, who they are. > > BW