As far as I know this is a complete list. Tami -----Original Message----- From: Grandma24k@aol.com [mailto:Grandma24k@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:50 PM To: ARCRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ARCRAWFORD] New cemetery added IS THAT A FULL LIST OR ARE YOU JUST GETTING STARTED? JOHNNIE IN CA

IS THAT A FULL LIST OR ARE YOU JUST GETTING STARTED? JOHNNIE IN CA

Thanks to Cornelious & Karen Peters we now have Newberry Chapel cemetery online http://www.rootsweb.com/~arcrawfo/cem/NewberryCem.htm Tami Ramsey Crawford ARGenWeb CC

This from another list I am on. I don't know if it affects anyone here, but thought I'd share just in case. Anyone who is or has paid by the month for Ancestry subscription, please see http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/UPPEREASTTN/2005-11/1132407265 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ROOTS/2006-04/1145811049 Sue

I have changed the name of the subject line to go more with the line of discussion. I agree. I agree with Gail in her "unmarked grave syndrome". Many of the early people just simply did not have money for headstones. The family knew were the graves were located; now those people are gone as well. Some were lucky enough to have "modern" headstones errected at their plot by family members who came later and had the funds to erect a stone in the memory of a deceased parent, grandparent, etc. Many people used fieldstones to mark the graves. Sometimes these field stones may have had the name or initials and/or date(s) etched in them, more often they were not but again the family at that time knew which stone belonged to whom. Some of the deeper etchings still remain on the stones, others have weathered away (I have a g-g-uncle in the Collinsville, TX cemetery who's initials are etched in sandstone). Also many cemeteries have removed the field stone markers for ease of keeping the area clean, all in the name of progress. Yet other graves were marked with wooden crosses either tied together with rope or nailed together. The ropes rotted, the wood rotted, and the crosses no longer exist. Others made a headstone-shaped marker from wood. These have deteriorated and disappeared as well. Then there are places like the New Orleans area where people are buried in tombs above the ground due to be at or below sea level. Most of these tombs are made of thick white marble. Unfortunately many of the older tombs are erroding from the weather conditions. New Orleans does not have "native stone" and families had the stone for their tombs imported. When a person dies, they are put in the family's tomb and the name is added to the plaque. The body is left there for a minimum of a year and a day, the"and a day" out of respect, before the next body can be placed in the tomb. If another family member dies in this time frame, they are placed in a vault located in the walls around the cemetery. When the year and a day has passed, the remains of the body is removed from the elevated area where it has been for at least the past year and "new" family member's body is then placed in the tomb for its year and a day. If there is not one "watiting" for the tomb, the bod! y in the tomb will remain there until the time the space is needed. The temperature inside these tombs run 600+ degrees during the summer months. So while this is not cremation, it is the next thing to it and the body rapidly decays and returns to dust. At least the names are added to the tomb when a person is placed there. Sue in NE AR -----Original Message----- From: Gail Cowart [mailto:cowartd@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:30 PM To: ARCRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ARCRAWFORD] FW: [IN-CIVIL-WAR] AN ALTERNATIVE TO BE CONSIDERED Thanks for passing this along. Might check with Ronnie Ocker about cremation facilities in Crawford County. I am sure he knows much of that history. I expect much of this unknown is also due to the unmarked grave syndrome. Best, Gail Cowart -----Original Message----- From: Sue Southard [mailto:SSOUTH@astate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:21 AM To: ARCRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ARCRAWFORD] FW: [IN-CIVIL-WAR] AN ALTERNATIVE TO BE CONSIDERED I received the following from the Indiana Civil War list and thought I'd share it with you. I'm not sure when creamatoriums were established in our list area. Sue in NE AR > As I read of the many on this & other lists who have become frus- > trated by being unable to find the burial sites of their ancestors, > family members, or others, despite many hours of researching & > walking of cemeteries; I would like to point out another possibility > which few, if any, consider...that being cremation. Cremation is not > a new concept as the disposing of human bodies on a funeral pyre > -usually one body at a time-dates back in America, at least, to > Colonial times. Most of us have read of the; albeit horrific; body > pyres that were utilized, usually after the biggest of the battles of > the Civil War, to dispose of the often thousands of bodies which > accumulated as a result of the fighting. This was done out of > necessity as the digging of individual, or even mass graves, was > out of the question due to lack of manpower. However, the most > compelling reason to dispose of the bodies as quickly as possible > was to prevent the spread of disease which was rampant at the > time. Very few probably realize that of the 250,000-300,000 men > of the Confederate Army who died during the war, only one quarter > of those deaths were incurred in battle, with the remainder dying > of disease. Union Army deaths due to disease were somewhat lesser > due to the availabilty of more sophisicated medicines & techniques. > Several years after the War the crematory furnace was developed > & many funeral establishments had them installed in their facilities > leading to the wider useage of this method. I recently spent the > better part of a year attempting to find the burial places of an > ancestor, a CW veteran, & his wife who both died in Chicago, with- > out success. A search of the cemeteries in & around Chicago & of > the National Cemeteries yielded no results either. In speaking later > with a member of the branch of the family to which the deceased > belonged, I learned that cremation was literally a tradition in that > branch, & I was told of a scattering of ashes at sea & in various > cemeteries in several states. Thus, after a period of 100 years > have elapsed since the death of these two people, & with not finding > any evidence of cemetery burials, I must 'assume' that even with- > out any proof, that they were cremated. Also with many families > not having the funds to purchase a cemetery plot, a gravestone, & > other costs associated with a funeral, cremation was no doubt a > lower cost alternative. Also, as the ashes are usually placed in an > urn, rather than scattering the ashes, the urns could be kept at > home, where the family members could feel that the deceased was > "always close by." What might have happened to the urns through- > out the ensuing years might well be "Another story." > To those who might feel like they are 'chasing their tail' in attempting > to find where their family member's remains are; this just may be > another consideration to keep in mind. > Bill Waterhouse > Mystic, CT > -END- > > > > ==== IN-CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List's Golden Rule ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything about ancestors! Keep it Clean & > Cool! Treat others like you want them to treat you...but *NO* selling! > No current politics or religion.....keep both relevant to history. Also > please keep OFF TOPIC discussions to a bare minimum. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ==== ARCRAWFO Mailing List ==== Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet http://www.snopes.com/ <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Thanks for passing this along. Might check with Ronnie Ocker about cremation facilities in Crawford County. I am sure he knows much of that history. I expect much of this unknown is also due to the unmarked grave syndrome. Best, Gail Cowart -----Original Message----- From: Sue Southard [mailto:SSOUTH@astate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:21 AM To: ARCRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ARCRAWFORD] FW: [IN-CIVIL-WAR] AN ALTERNATIVE TO BE CONSIDERED I received the following from the Indiana Civil War list and thought I'd share it with you. I'm not sure when creamatoriums were established in our list area. Sue in NE AR > As I read of the many on this & other lists who have become frus- > trated by being unable to find the burial sites of their ancestors, > family members, or others, despite many hours of researching & > walking of cemeteries; I would like to point out another possibility > which few, if any, consider...that being cremation. Cremation is not > a new concept as the disposing of human bodies on a funeral pyre > -usually one body at a time-dates back in America, at least, to > Colonial times. Most of us have read of the; albeit horrific; body > pyres that were utilized, usually after the biggest of the battles of > the Civil War, to dispose of the often thousands of bodies which > accumulated as a result of the fighting. This was done out of > necessity as the digging of individual, or even mass graves, was > out of the question due to lack of manpower. However, the most > compelling reason to dispose of the bodies as quickly as possible > was to prevent the spread of disease which was rampant at the > time. Very few probably realize that of the 250,000-300,000 men > of the Confederate Army who died during the war, only one quarter > of those deaths were incurred in battle, with the remainder dying > of disease. Union Army deaths due to disease were somewhat lesser > due to the availabilty of more sophisicated medicines & techniques. > Several years after the War the crematory furnace was developed > & many funeral establishments had them installed in their facilities > leading to the wider useage of this method. I recently spent the > better part of a year attempting to find the burial places of an > ancestor, a CW veteran, & his wife who both died in Chicago, with- > out success. A search of the cemeteries in & around Chicago & of > the National Cemeteries yielded no results either. In speaking later > with a member of the branch of the family to which the deceased > belonged, I learned that cremation was literally a tradition in that > branch, & I was told of a scattering of ashes at sea & in various > cemeteries in several states. Thus, after a period of 100 years > have elapsed since the death of these two people, & with not finding > any evidence of cemetery burials, I must 'assume' that even with- > out any proof, that they were cremated. Also with many families > not having the funds to purchase a cemetery plot, a gravestone, & > other costs associated with a funeral, cremation was no doubt a > lower cost alternative. Also, as the ashes are usually placed in an > urn, rather than scattering the ashes, the urns could be kept at > home, where the family members could feel that the deceased was > "always close by." What might have happened to the urns through- > out the ensuing years might well be "Another story." > To those who might feel like they are 'chasing their tail' in attempting > to find where their family member's remains are; this just may be > another consideration to keep in mind. > Bill Waterhouse > Mystic, CT > -END- > > > > ==== IN-CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List's Golden Rule ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything about ancestors! Keep it Clean & > Cool! Treat others like you want them to treat you...but *NO* selling! > No current politics or religion.....keep both relevant to history. Also > please keep OFF TOPIC discussions to a bare minimum. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ==== ARCRAWFO Mailing List ==== Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet http://www.snopes.com/ <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

I received the following from the Indiana Civil War list and thought I'd share it with you. I'm not sure when creamatoriums were established in our list area. Sue in NE AR > As I read of the many on this & other lists who have become frus- > trated by being unable to find the burial sites of their ancestors, > family members, or others, despite many hours of researching & > walking of cemeteries; I would like to point out another possibility > which few, if any, consider...that being cremation. Cremation is not > a new concept as the disposing of human bodies on a funeral pyre > -usually one body at a time-dates back in America, at least, to > Colonial times. Most of us have read of the; albeit horrific; body > pyres that were utilized, usually after the biggest of the battles of > the Civil War, to dispose of the often thousands of bodies which > accumulated as a result of the fighting. This was done out of > necessity as the digging of individual, or even mass graves, was > out of the question due to lack of manpower. However, the most > compelling reason to dispose of the bodies as quickly as possible > was to prevent the spread of disease which was rampant at the > time. Very few probably realize that of the 250,000-300,000 men > of the Confederate Army who died during the war, only one quarter > of those deaths were incurred in battle, with the remainder dying > of disease. Union Army deaths due to disease were somewhat lesser > due to the availabilty of more sophisicated medicines & techniques. > Several years after the War the crematory furnace was developed > & many funeral establishments had them installed in their facilities > leading to the wider useage of this method. I recently spent the > better part of a year attempting to find the burial places of an > ancestor, a CW veteran, & his wife who both died in Chicago, with- > out success. A search of the cemeteries in & around Chicago & of > the National Cemeteries yielded no results either. In speaking later > with a member of the branch of the family to which the deceased > belonged, I learned that cremation was literally a tradition in that > branch, & I was told of a scattering of ashes at sea & in various > cemeteries in several states. Thus, after a period of 100 years > have elapsed since the death of these two people, & with not finding > any evidence of cemetery burials, I must 'assume' that even with- > out any proof, that they were cremated. Also with many families > not having the funds to purchase a cemetery plot, a gravestone, & > other costs associated with a funeral, cremation was no doubt a > lower cost alternative. Also, as the ashes are usually placed in an > urn, rather than scattering the ashes, the urns could be kept at > home, where the family members could feel that the deceased was > "always close by." What might have happened to the urns through- > out the ensuing years might well be "Another story." > To those who might feel like they are 'chasing their tail' in attempting > to find where their family member's remains are; this just may be > another consideration to keep in mind. > Bill Waterhouse > Mystic, CT > -END- > > > > ==== IN-CIVIL-WAR Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List's Golden Rule ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything about ancestors! Keep it Clean & > Cool! Treat others like you want them to treat you...but *NO* selling! > No current politics or religion.....keep both relevant to history. Also > please keep OFF TOPIC discussions to a bare minimum. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Looking for any information on the Higgs family in Crawford county around 1850 is when I first find them. William Higgs born abt 1799 in Va wife Margaret or Peggie Higgs (unknown maiden name) son John, daughter Elisabeth. Elisabeth was born in Illinois around 1840. Thank you! Robin Smith

I am looking for a Will for John Ratliff, b. Abt. 1750 VA, d. Abt. 1832-1833 in Crawford County, Arkansas. He would have been a widower with four sons, James, William, Job/Jobe and Thompson. Any information I can find on the Ratliff line will be helpful., but I am particularly interested in any will that might be found. Thank you.... J. Lewis

Speaking of Van Buren. Do we have any DIBRELL descendants on the list? John R. Clarke 229-228-1961 2417 N. Patterson St:Thomasville, GA 31792 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon" <shar_0605@sbcglobal.net> To: <ARCRAWFO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [ARCRAWFORD] Re: ARCRAWFO-D Digest V06 #6 > You are right on the directions to the cemetery. I dont remember the road > name either but think it may be Arkansas street. There are several old > timey fenced in graves with the old wrought iron fence if no one has tore > them down, you can tell they do gun practice and lots of drinking there > cans everywhere, there is a small road in the middle of the cemetery as it > is a pretty good size cemetery when it was taken care of , on the right > side of the lane is the Gunn family which owned the land and lots of > property in Van Buren, they were nice new kind of looking headstones on > the other side is some real old headstones i believe the oldest one i saw > was dated 1866. Around the 1920's there was an epidemic of fever in the > bottoms and there were lots of people buried there but headstones have > been damaged and thrown around. The cemetery is listed in the " History > and Headstones" book but not all buried there are in the book. Thanks > Sharon > > > ==== ARCRAWFO Mailing List ==== > Search for your Families at ArkansasFamilies.net > http://www.ArkansasFamilies.net/! > <A HREF="http://www.ArkansasFamilies.net/">ArkansasFamilies.net</a> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

So Do I, It sure was a lot of work,ticks and chiggers . Please Post when you can go and Ill sure try and make it if its as warm as this yr may be alot of us will turn out if nothing else just to meet each other. My lines are Harness & Weaver,they married into Porter,Swafford,Garrison and some others in Crawford County. Linda > > No that wasnt me that helped with the book about the cemeteries but i sure > appreciate the ladies that did come up with the book, im sure they dedicated > theirselves with lots of walking and cleaning headstones to be able to compile > the book. Thumbs up to them. When we get ready to clean the cemetery i > will post to it this website and see if anyone else wants to join but it will be > in the winter. I have lived here in Van Buren most of my life, my line > consists of Brown, Stephens, Gregory and many many more. Thanks Sharon >

Hi Sharon,Thanks I thought as tall as the grass was there was no trace of a cemtery left. Good to know there is. Hard to think of your brothers grave being lost forever,even if I never knew him his twin was sure a pain :) If you let me know when you and your brohter will be there Ill try to come help some.Who do you think took care of it in the 70's the older Guinn? Are you the Sharon who helped with the book History in Headstones? Thanks for the info on Baxter and Love I really appreciate it.I had tiney fingers delete some before I got to read it all ( I do a quick scan then go back and read) was there someone on the list who's ancestors had giving the land for Love Cem.? Thanks again everyone sure am enjoying learning about Crawford County esp these two Cemeterys. My other Cemeterys are 12 Corners my Weaver Grandparents are buried there and some of the Harness kids,Dyer some of my Harness Uncles and there familys,New Mulberry has my grandfather Cooksey and 2 of his son's. Linda Hi Linda, yes my brother and i went to the cemetery this winter, the garden had lots of turnips growing with rabbits > everywhere. We walked the cemetery but did not get to write down the names > as it was awfully cold, not as many snakes and ticks then. My ggrandparents > are buried there Levi and Levicy Brown, their headstones are gone but my > brother retires this year and next winter we are making new ones to put down > there and we plan on clearing the cemetery a little at a time. If its muddy you > cant get down the lane. Back in the 70's my aunt took me down there to show > me where they were buried, it was being taken care of then and really looked > nice. It sure would be nice if people could be stopped from destroying the > cemetery but I kind of doubt that as it is one of those forgotten cemeteries, > I think the last person buried there was a Nash in the 70's as there was a > huge new headstone there in the 70's i didnt see it this time as i used it for > a landmark to find my fami! > lys > burial. Thanks Sharon >

No that wasnt me that helped with the book about the cemeteries but i sure appreciate the ladies that did come up with the book, im sure they dedicated theirselves with lots of walking and cleaning headstones to be able to compile the book. Thumbs up to them. When we get ready to clean the cemetery i will post to it this website and see if anyone else wants to join but it will be in the winter. I have lived here in Van Buren most of my life, my line consists of Brown, Stephens, Gregory and many many more. Thanks Sharon

In a message dated 3/18/2006 7:03:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CroneWolf@aol.com writes: Kaye Larrabee (who is really a Tulsa girl) Hey, my sister and I were both born in Tulsa, when my father was a section editor for the old News paper, long vanished....family went off to Stillwater in the 30's, then on to Washington...Let me think a bit and I'll give you a west Texas joke...

In a message dated 3/18/2006 4:40:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, WallDuncan@aol.com writes: So how are things in Lubbock these days? Used to have a pretty good string of Amarillo jokes, all from my father, but I don't have any Lubbock stories..... Lubbock is VERY FLAT, Cousin Duncan. And, probably any jokes that you have about Amarillo will work for Lubbock, as well. When I moved here, "they" (the locals) told me that "in Lubbock, you can watch your dog run away for three days!".... And, I agree about wishing we had listened to our ancestors when they were telling us stories! I've wished that MANY times! Kaye Larrabee (who is really a Tulsa girl)

Dear Lubbock cuz...I knew that would be true, with all of AR slaveholding, and Roger Brooke Taney working madly at trying to upset the settled law of the Missouri/Maine Compromise...as sure as I know that old cemeteries get so overgrown with weeds that you can't find the stones, if any, and time was people didn't have street addresses, and rode into town, or the PO, maybe every other week to pick up mail....and some men had white wives back somewhere, as well as dark ones in Hawaii or the Six Towns of the Choctaw Nation... Sure wish I had listened to my mama more, when she was still with us...but then, I shoulda paid more attention to her on a lot of other things, too. So how are things in Lubbock these days? Used to have a pretty good string of Amarillo jokes, all from my father, but I don't have any Lubbock stories..... Duncan Wall 50 Ancient Way Yarmouth Port, MA 02675-1201 _WallDuncan@AOL.COM_ (mailto:WallDuncan@AOL.COM) 508-362-3359 .

Duncan Wall attests he has no delusions about slavery in AR, ancestors on several lines being big planters with major slaveholdings. Oddly, my grandfather Philos Stratton Jones, graduate of the old Pea Ridge Academy in AR, federal judge in IT/OK, came from a standfast Unionist freesoil family in Whitley County, KY, but married the daughter of what had been very major slaveholding Coton- planter families in Miller and Lafayette Counties, AR, Webster Parish La, Jasper County, MS, Macon County AL, and no doubt other places I haven't traced back yet.....Getting straight on family history is the most interesting part of the quest for me...my mama was the genealogist lineage chaser...back fifty years ago, when it was heavy labor....we have it easy, ffffolks....

_http://www.arkansasfreedmen.com/crawfslaves.htm_ (http://www.arkansasfreedmen.com/crawfslaves.htm) The list of slaveowners on this page includes: Big Creek Township Ft. Smith (part of Crawford County at the time) Lfayette Township Mountain Township Jasper Township Lee's Creek Richland Township Sugar Loaf Township Van Buren Township Van Buren (city)

Also note that the website _www.arkansasfreedmen.com_ (http://www.arkansasfreedmen.com) focuses on Northwest Arkansas, and features information on Crawford and Sebastian counties in particular. -Angela-

Duncan, If you doubt there was slavery in Arkansas here are just three of the links out there: http://www.oldstatehouse.com/exhibits/virtual/slave_narratives.asp http://www.arkansasheritage.com/people_stories/africanamericans/ http://www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/timeline/1863.html Lainee At 10:37 AM 3/18/2006, you wrote: >Please send me an application, too. So happy to have found my way into Free >Soil country, and out of the slaveholder counties on the other lines of the >family.... > >Duncan Wall >50 Ancient Way >Yarmouth Port, MA >02675-1201 > >508-362-3359 >_WallDuncan@AOL.COM_ (mailto:WallDuncan@AOL.COM)