Thank you Doris, The men, very well, may have married after that date. I once found a Laura Young who m a Samuel Looper in Indian Territory, right abt the right time too. AND their only son, who I knew, was born in IT. But the problem was, another family claimed him, and had Laura living on AFTER I know ours died. Our Laura died right after her son was born. Before 1900c. I lost all that information abt the other Loopers when my 1st computer went to heaven. :) I think I will do a search and see if I can find it again. Maybe they are the ones who have claimed the wrong Laura and Sam! Carleen