Wow John you made a lot of assumptions in your post. I've been on AOL since 1990? I remember back to 2.5 or some such version. (What a way it's come too.) LOL-- I actually still have my floppy disks they used to install the early versions. But as an experienced AOL user, I find it is FAR more difficult for AOL to handle HUGE pictures like class photos. I'm a webmaster for a county and people send me freshly scanned uncropped photos at high resolutions and full page census images or newspaper images. AOL hangs on download, freezes, crashes, etc. However, "gmail" (Google Mail) has never given me any problem downloading any huge images. Saving mail to one's harddrive by copy-paste is not hard-- but it sure is time consumin if you receive hundreds of mails a day, as I do for the websites and genealogy (not to mention my own family). However, on gmail there is NO "saving" of anything because it saves everything--- every thing-- automatically. I can set up auto filters to sort my mail AS it arrives... and later, I can open one of those folders/labels and read/delete/or close and know it'll still be there 6 mos..a year...from now. Also, saving to one's harddrive does consume space. If you burn to CD, you are incurring an ongoing cost of new RW-CDs and more importantly, CDs *do* fail. Data can become UNreadable. I bought 2 external drives to handle all the stuff I need to save and to back up my website data, and backup the books I write. Of any media, external drives are the most cost effective choice, even over "thumb-USB" drives, and most definitely over CDs. "Cost effective" for Internet access is comprised of many components. Time+ease of use+features that help a user do their work+lack of technical problems and lastly...$$$. I can get "free" AOL --- BUT deal with software issues etc. OR, I can pay an ISP for total Internet access and use AOL Web for free...and not deal with AOL freezing, auto re-opening of the software when I don't want it to re-open...etc. Having broadband is essential for most webmakers, especially if uploading tons of image files-- as I do. A dial-up user until last year, I didn't think I could afford the "expense" of cable modem. BUT, with 6 free genealogy websites AND the hundreds of mails I handle a day AND using Ancestry's databases, AND playing games, these tasks and pasttimes become a nightmare on dial-up. Also, dial-up users must contend with encountering lost data---the dreaded red-X instead of an image---when viewing websites. IF interested in old photos, like class photos, cemetery tombstones, location photos, faster access means being able to see large photos. As a webmaster on broadband now, I must always build in an alternative way for dial-up users to view my content-- but most webmasters do not consider how dial-up users won't see those wonderful large photos of "The user's Hometown" or "Their 3rd grade class" or even a cropped version of a large Census page showing "Their 5th-great-grandfather". For dial-up users I make second sets of images just for dial-up, -- for example, cropping out the faces so dial-up users can at least see that from the larger photo. It comes across rather badly to assume anyone going to broadband "have no concerns for $$$ cost to their budgets". I assert there are more factors than $$$ in chosing the "cost" incurred measured by time, aggravation, frustration, and ease of use. If I had to pay (less than) $35.00 for AOL only, I probably wouldn't bother. But the ease of use with broadband makes that (less than) $35.00 worth it to pay for cable modem access. The only downside, of course, is if the cable company has service problems-- which has only happened once this year. It'd be no different than losing phone service once during a year. And, if you encounter "noise" on your phone line, your service is much less than when on broadband. Judy On 9/30/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > cageycat msg: > But if (like me), you eventually want to uninstall AOL and NOT use AOL > software OR use AOL web access again, you'll need to copy / send "save > to online aol" mails back to yourself. Eventually, I'd like to get > away from anything AOL. > > I laugh... even 2 years ago I couldn't imagine life without AOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems the discontent with AOL emails and saving of attachments and photos, > is only because of users changing to other software programs or ISP's such as > netzero or yahoo or comcast and those type software programs for email. High > Speed comes with increased $$$ out of your pockets and being "Cost Effective" > is not your concerns. > > It is also very clear that the AOL email user with these problems have no > concerns for $$$ cost to their budgets when dumping AOL as their source of > Internet & email. > > I doubt anyone except a "new user" has any problems of saving emails & > attachments or Photos to their computer hard drives in folders, rather than just > lingering on AOL servers. It is for sure those users with less than 1 gigabyte > Hard Drives in their computer in this modern day, will have some problems of > storage, if they are not burning to CD ROM and or DVD storage. > > There is a lot I dislike about AOL, but not their EMAIL, it is the best > program for any single user in the United States. CABLE means speed and $$$ > increased costs, Outlook has the most virus attacks in the world, and Comcast is the joke of the Internet, as they determine just how fast you can use their > very expensive cable system. > > AOL email program remains the best in the world, at the lowest $$$ COST. > > JOHN in CA (a dial up user exceeding 11 years now). >

cageycat msg: But if (like me), you eventually want to uninstall AOL and NOT use AOL software OR use AOL web access again, you'll need to copy / send "save to online aol" mails back to yourself. Eventually, I'd like to get away from anything AOL. I laugh... even 2 years ago I couldn't imagine life without AOL. > > > > > > > > > > Seems the discontent with AOL emails and saving of attachments and photos, is only because of users changing to other software programs or ISP's such as netzero or yahoo or comcast and those type software programs for email. High Speed comes with increased $$$ out of your pockets and being "Cost Effective" is not your concerns. It is also very clear that the AOL email user with these problems have no concerns for $$$ cost to their budgets when dumping AOL as their source of Internet & email. I doubt anyone except a "new user" has any problems of saving emails & attachments or Photos to their computer hard drives in folders, rather than just lingering on AOL servers. It is for sure those users with less than 1 gigabyte Hard Drives in their computer in this modern day, will have some problems of storage, if they are not burning to CD ROM and or DVD storage. There is a lot I dislike about AOL, but not their EMAIL, it is the best program for any single user in the United States. CABLE means speed and $$$ increased costs, Outlook has the most virus attacks in the world, and Comcast is the joke of the Internet, as they determine just how fast you can use their very expensive cable system. AOL email program remains the best in the world, at the lowest $$$ COST. JOHN in CA (a dial up user exceeding 11 years now). **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

I fixed it by going offline & ran a 'quick restore'. Its working now. The images I was having problems with, for example, from ebay and from Steve's world with computer fixes & even the weather page. Bev Carlson of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, United States of America "Life is too short to be sad all the time. Love is too important to go without. Happiness is too great to not be surrounded in it. And love and happiness are what life is all about." (author unknown) This message has been scanned by the most recent version of Avast Anti-Virus software before it was emailed. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

You just go to www.aol.com and sign in there (instead of opening aol software). Welcome screen may look different (on mine it does). Open your mail screen... look for the same tab for saved mail as you see on aol software. Mail may look different--mine does on 9.1 ver. On 9/27/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > <snipped> > Someone yesterday mentioned it might be possible to access them on free AOL > after I've stopped subscribing to AOL. Is there any way of checking this? I've > never heard of free AOL - and I'm very interested. Would appreciate any help > on this. >

I was just thinking what you said Ema From: "Judy Florian" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AOL-RW] Saving emails when I leave AOL Just thinking out loud... As I open and read some of my oldest mail, I wonder WHY I saved it? * Was I losing my mind? * Had I lost my mind? * Did I really think I needed THAT? LOL The truths about OLD mails: * The wonderful URLs I saved even last year have likely moved to new locations. * The sender's addy likely changed...or the person dropped away... or, sadly, some wonderful Internet friends have died. * I didn't REALLY need half of what I saved. * I didn't need another half of the half I believe still have merits. * What was important "last year" pales to what (seems) important now. Reminder to self: Go through OLD mail every 6 months and hit delete A LOT. Tip to others: Re-read this email and save yourself from all that Saved Mail. Judy **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. I have tried and it is possible to forward these messages to (for example) my hotmail address. However, I have been saving these emails for many years, and have them all filed in separate folders - there are several hundreds of them. Forwarding them one by one would probably take months - even reading through them all would take more time than I've got. I'd wondered if it was possible to move them in a block - but it seems the answer is no. Someone yesterday mentioned it might be possible to access them on free AOL after I've stopped subscribing to AOL. Is there any way of checking this? I've never heard of free AOL - and I'm very interested. Would appreciate any help on this. And thank you all again - this is a very helpful list. I wish I'd met you all sooner. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:05:27 -0400 From: "Judy Florian" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AOL-RW] Saving emails when I leave AOL To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: <snipped> > 1. Forward each e-mail that one has received in AOLl to your new Outlook > Express address. > 2. (NOTE: The forwarded e-mails will arrive in Outlook Express list of > e-mails with an indicator showing that there is an attachment.) == Woody, I'm not sure how you are doing that with old mail saved ON the AOL servers. When I have tried Forward from saved ON the AOL servers, the message from AOL says the email is no longer available for forwarding. Judy ------------------------------

I use IE 6.0 service pack 2 and that's not my experience at all. On 9/27/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Also, if you have not updated your Internet Explorer to version 7.0, your web > sites might not totally pull up graphics completely.

Also, if you have not updated your Internet Explorer to version 7.0, your web sites might not totally pull up graphics completely. There is even a Service Pack 3 that you may need to take. Just check to be sure you are getting all your Windows Updates. And, yes, doing a "Disk Cleanup" under "Accessories", helps too. Jan - IL In a message dated 9/26/2008 10:48:46 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have a different idea. Try deleting your Temporary Internet Files. When temp files increase, the FIRST thing affected is images in both mail and web pages. AOL mail is just like looking at a browser page as far as loading images when you are "full up" on temporary files-- they just go to red X. Judy On 9/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Bev- > > I'm a little confused as to exactly WHERE you are not getting the images > coming through...you mention WEB PAGES and you mention EMAILS. Are you not > seeing ANY graphics when you visit webpages AND emails in your AOL email program? > > On webpages a red x where a graphic should be would indicate either that the > image isn't THERE or that the page hasn't loaded fully. Try refreshing the > page. > > In emails if you see the red x the sender most likely didn't send the image > properly. > > Joan **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

I have a different idea. Try deleting your Temporary Internet Files. When temp files increase, the FIRST thing affected is images in both mail and web pages. AOL mail is just like looking at a browser page as far as loading images when you are "full up" on temporary files-- they just go to red X. Judy On 9/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Bev- > > I'm a little confused as to exactly WHERE you are not getting the images > coming through...you mention WEB PAGES and you mention EMAILS. Are you not > seeing ANY graphics when you visit webpages AND emails in your AOL email program? > > On webpages a red x where a graphic should be would indicate either that the > image isn't THERE or that the page hasn't loaded fully. Try refreshing the > page. > > In emails if you see the red x the sender most likely didn't send the image > properly. > > Joan

Bev- I'm a little confused as to exactly WHERE you are not getting the images coming through...you mention WEB PAGES and you mention EMAILS. Are you not seeing ANY graphics when you visit webpages AND emails in your AOL email program? On webpages a red x where a graphic should be would indicate either that the image isn't THERE or that the page hasn't loaded fully. Try refreshing the page. In emails if you see the red x the sender most likely didn't send the image properly. Joan In a message dated 9/26/2008 11:15:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Yesterday, when I received an email with images I could see them. Today, when I signed on, I could no longer receive imagines from the same web pages. Instead, I have a red X. This is for all the emails that have imagines. I went to unblock images from unknown senders & there is no X in block images from unknown sender. I put an X in & saved it. Then signed out. I went back & took the X out, saved it but nothing happened. (This is from a known sender.) Bev Carlson of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, United States of America **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Yesterday, when I received an email with images I could see them. Today, when I signed on, I could no longer receive imagines from the same web pages. Instead, I have a red X. This is for all the emails that have imagines. I went to unblock images from unknown senders & there is no X in block images from unknown sender. I put an X in & saved it. Then signed out. I went back & took the X out, saved it but nothing happened. (This is from a known sender.) Bev Carlson of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, United States of America "Life is too short to be sad all the time. Love is too important to go without. Happiness is too great to not be surrounded in it. And love and happiness are what life is all about."(author unknown) This message has been scanned by the most recent version of Avast Anti-Virus software before it was emailed. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Just thinking out loud... As I open and read some of my oldest mail, I wonder WHY I saved it? * Was I losing my mind? * Had I lost my mind? * Did I really think I needed THAT? LOL The truths about OLD mails: * The wonderful URLs I saved even last year have likely moved to new locations. * The sender's addy likely changed...or the person dropped away... or, sadly, some wonderful Internet friends have died. * I didn't REALLY need half of what I saved. * I didn't need another half of the half I believe still have merits. * What was important "last year" pales to what (seems) important now. Reminder to self: Go through OLD mail every 6 months and hit delete A LOT. Tip to others: Re-read this email and save yourself from all that Saved Mail. Judy

In the earlier e-mail (below) I mentioned a shareware product called "ePreserver" that I had used to convert around 8 thousand AOL e-mails to Outlook Express (OE). It cost around $25. One question that would come up immediately is whether or not it can pull e-mails off "my AOL" as well as from "my PC". The answer is "yes". More from About.com about the product: _http://email.about.com/od/aol/gr/epreserver.htm_ (http://email.about.com/od/aol/gr/epreserver.htm) And a place to download: _http://www.software.com/view/9682/75/epreserver-aol-converter/_ (http://www.software.com/view/9682/75/epreserver-aol-converter/) One thing I learned is, if I already have OE going and 4,000 e-mails there, CREATE A NEW OUTLOOK EXPRESS IDENTITY and direct ePreserver to send the converted AOL mail to that new identity. That program dumped all of that old AOL mail in with my existing OE mail and I had a real mess on my hands trying to keep all of my mail sorted out. The new OE identity doesn't have to be actively connected to the net, but rather be just a place to store old AoL mail and open it and read it. Woody ========================== , [email protected] writes: Yes, one can have cable and still connect to AOL. It's even easier, as one can connect instantly with AOL without having to wait for the dial-up. Not only can one connect to AOL faster with cable, one can use AOL and the ISP's mail connection concurrently with no interference, and can jump back and forth with both mail programs running. So one does not have to leave AOL when one goes from dial-up to cable. The question was "When I've read them I press 'Save on AOL'. I want to take these saved messages with me when I leave AOL. There are too many messages to transfer individually to my computer or to print out" Others have stated that one can go ahead and just leave those messages that are ON AOL on AOL and continue to access AOL, but the question was how to how to take the messages when leaving AOL. There is a way. There's a paid way called ePreserver that does a fast conversion of AOL mail to several different e-mail programs. I've used that and it is very effective. And then there is another "no-cost" way that requires a little work, but it saves each e-mail exactly as originally sent to AOL, if using Outlook Express as the new e-mail program. Here's how: 1. Forward each e-mail that one has received in AOLl to your new Outlook Express address. 2. (NOTE: The forwarded e-mails will arrive in Outlook Express list of e-mails with an indicator showing that there is an attachment.) 3. In Outlook Express, open the e-mail from AOL that arrived. The e-mail will be blank, and the attachment block will show there is an attached file with an EML extension. 4. (NOTE: If one clicks on the attachment, the attachment will open and LOOK EXACTLY AS IT DID IN AOL, COMPLETE WITH TO, FROM, SUBJECT, DATE, ETC. 5. (NOTE: The problem here is to get rid of the forward "shell" and preserve the original AOL file exactly as it was in AOL.) 6. To keep the old AOL mail separate from newer mail, create new folders in Outlook Express called "Old AOL INBOX" and "OLD AOL SENT". 7. Open each forwarded AOL mail and drag its .EML attachment to the OLD AOL INBOX or "OLD AOL SENT", as applicable. 8. After dragging each AOL mail file (the EML file) to their respective folder, delete the "forward" e-mail that it arrived in. It's pretty neat being able to open all of one's AOL mail in Outlook Express. And saving in Outlook Express seems to be much more stable than saving in AOL on one's computer. A lot of my saved AOL mail says "no longer available". Seems to be more stable saving on AOL rather than to one's computer. Woody =============================== [email protected] writes: You can still save and see old messages saved ON aol servers when using AOL-FREE through the software. Yes, you can save and see the ONline saved email if you just use the free Web version of AOL (although the box looks different). But if (like me), you eventually want to uninstall AOL and NOT use AOL software OR use AOL web access again, you'll need to copy / send "save to online aol" mails back to yourself. Eventually, I'd like to get away from anything AOL. I laugh... even 2 years ago I couldn't imagine life without AOL. J On 9/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: <snip>, but we've been talking about mail saved ON AOL > and whether or not free storage space on AOL's servers is available if you are > using AOL for free. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

Judy, For AOL mail saved on "My PC", I get the "not available for forwarding" popup --- usually --- but one mail "saved on my PC" dated 2005 forwarded just fine. (?!) Strange. But for all mail saved "on AOL", I never get that "not available for forwarding" (so far). I just now successfully forwarded several mails saved "on AOL" for the years 2005 and 2006 with no problem, just to be sure my recollection wasn't faulty. My experience, insofar as reliable saves of old AOL mail, is that saving "on AOL" is much safer than with saving "on my PC". Numerous incoming e-mails in "my PC" have turned up empty over time. And many of those that I sent that include forwards to others no longer show what was forwarded. Same with attachments. So, again, saving on "my AOL" seems to be much safer, and preserves the e-mail accurately without loss of forwarded content and of attachments. Woody ===================== [email protected] writes: <<Woody, I'm not sure how you are doing that with old mail saved ON the AOL servers. When I have tried Forward from saved ON the AOL servers, the message from AOL says the email is no longer available for forwarding. Judy >> ============================ On 9/26/08, [email protected] wrote: <snipped> > Others have stated that one can go ahead and just leave those messages that > are ON AOL on AOL and continue to access AOL, but the question was how to how > to take the messages when leaving AOL. > <snipped>> > 1. Forward each e-mail that one has received in AOLl to your new Outlook > Express address. > 2. (NOTE: The forwarded e-mails will arrive in Outlook Express list of > e-mails with an indicator showing that there is an attachment.) == **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

In a message dated 9/26/2008 7:21:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.smart.net/~mmontes/ec-cal.html Paul, I had no trouble accessing the site from my AOL. I also have 9.0 SE and XP. Nancy **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

On 9/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: <snipped> > Others have stated that one can go ahead and just leave those messages that > are ON AOL on AOL and continue to access AOL, but the question was how to how > to take the messages when leaving AOL. > <snipped>> > 1. Forward each e-mail that one has received in AOLl to your new Outlook > Express address. > 2. (NOTE: The forwarded e-mails will arrive in Outlook Express list of > e-mails with an indicator showing that there is an attachment.) == Woody, I'm not sure how you are doing that with old mail saved ON the AOL servers. When I have tried Forward from saved ON the AOL servers, the message from AOL says the email is no longer available for forwarding. Judy

You were not getting that with the FREE McAfee? Mine updates regularly and DINGS when it is done and tells me when it is scanning--both the AV and the Spyzapper parts of the software. There shouldn't be ANY difference between the FREE and PAY McAfee versions except that there are additional "features" to the pay version--but that shouldn't have any effect on the A/V and Spyzapper applications. Joan In a message dated 9/26/2008 5:03:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: JOAN:.....I HAD THE FREE MCAFEE WITH AOL. THEY SENT ME A N E-MAIL STATING IT WOULD BE STOPPED ON THE 23 OF SEPT 2008. SO I PAID THE $39.95 AND NOW EACH TIME I TURN ON THE COMPUTER A LITTLE POP UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE SAYS...WE HAVE DONE A VIRUS SCAN OR PUT IN UPDATES. FOR ME..ITS WELL WORTH THE MONEY. TOM T **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

In a message dated 9/26/2008 3:33:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: There is also another option for those who access the FREE AOL from another ISP. Comcast, for one, also offers free McAfee or did the last time I checked. Joan In a message dated 9/26/2008 4:30:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: If they do start to charge I will use the free one that everyone I know loves and swears by that doesn't have aol ema Now that's interesting. Pay the $39 or get it free! I must make a decision in a few days Jeanne **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AOLERS-ROOTSWEB ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message JOAN:.....I HAD THE FREE MCAFEE WITH AOL. THEY SENT ME A N E-MAIL STATING IT WOULD BE STOPPED ON THE 23 OF SEPT 2008. SO I PAID THE $39.95 AND NOW EACH TIME I TURN ON THE COMPUTER A LITTLE POP UP ON THE RIGHT SIDE SAYS...WE HAVE DONE A VIRUS SCAN OR PUT IN UPDATES. FOR ME..ITS WELL WORTH THE MONEY. TOM T **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)

In a message dated 26/09/2008 21:47:48 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Could be--and PLEASE feel free to keep us "honest" if we fail to consider this possibility in the future. Joan Keep smiling - and keep up the good work ! Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk)

Paul- Could be--and PLEASE feel free to keep us "honest" if we fail to consider this possibility in the future. Joan In a message dated 9/26/2008 4:44:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I'm not totally sure about this, but as the original posting mentions BT, then I would guess that he's a UK subscriber to AOL. If that's the case, a lot of the subsequent postings would not seem to be relevant - they refer to AOL in the US. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)