In my experience, if a family uses the naming pattern it *really* uses it! I have a family branch in Fife (miners) where I can trace it down the generations absolutely perfectly from around 1770 to 1918. My mother, born in 1918, was actually the first child for about 150 years who was not named in accordance with it. In contrast, a family in my Angus Glens farming branch seemed to like naming children after someone who had recently died or someone else in the family they were particularly close to, although the names were almost always chosen from a very small set of possible first names. This can be quite confusing. For instance my great-great-grandfather David Ogilvy had children called Mary, Janet, Ann and John. I thought for ages his parents must be John and Janet Ogilvy but when I got his death certificate at last, they turned out to be Thomas and Martha, which actually fitted in all other respects as he 'inherited' the lease of a farm from his father. best wishes, Sheila ________________________________ National Galleries of Scotland is a charity registered in Scotland (No. SC003728) Registered address: 73 Belford Road, Edinburgh, EH4 3DS. VAT No. GB270718360 www.nationalgalleries.org To be kept informed about events sign up for our email newsletter at www.nationalgalleries.org/mailinglist This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Galleries of Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message.

I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had 2 middle names and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER STEWART... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Perry Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:27 AM To: 'angus@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Prevalence of naming pattern? In my experience, if a family uses the naming pattern it *really* uses it! I have a family branch in Fife (miners) where I can trace it down the generations absolutely perfectly from around 1770 to 1918. My mother, born in 1918, was actually the first child for about 150 years who was not named in accordance with it. In contrast, a family in my Angus Glens farming branch seemed to like naming children after someone who had recently died or someone else in the family they were particularly close to, although the names were almost always chosen from a very small set of possible first names. This can be quite confusing. For instance my great-great-grandfather David Ogilvy had children called Mary, Janet, Ann and John. I thought for ages his parents must be John and Janet Ogilvy but when I got his death certificate at last, they turned out to be Thomas and Martha, which actually fitted in all other respects as he 'inherited' the lease of a farm from his father. best wishes, Sheila ________________________________ National Galleries of Scotland is a charity registered in Scotland (No. SC003728) Registered address: 73 Belford Road, Edinburgh, EH4 3DS. VAT No. GB270718360 www.nationalgalleries.org To be kept informed about events sign up for our email newsletter at www.nationalgalleries.org/mailinglist This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Galleries of Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<SNIPPED>> She had 2 middle names and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER STEWART... <<SNIPPED>> They look like surnames used as middle names. Those generally seem to be connected in some way, but the way can be in any fashion. While it's tempting to assume one is the surname of the father, that's no more than a guess - they could be family surnames going back several generations, they could be the surname of the doctor / midwife / minister / business partner / kindly neighbour... Having a look at neighbours in the Directories (if any) or censuses can be profitable. Adrian

If she was illegitimate, her mother may have given her a middle name that disclosed the real father's surname. I've found a few cases. Can't really help with two middle names. Quite unusual until 20th century for most "ordinary" families. Gordon Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -----Original Message----- From: "Jeff Androsoff" <jandrosoff@sasktel.net> Sender: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:05:43 To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Prevalence of naming pattern? I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had 2 middle names and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER STEWART... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Perry Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:27 AM To: 'angus@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Prevalence of naming pattern? In my experience, if a family uses the naming pattern it *really* uses it! I have a family branch in Fife (miners) where I can trace it down the generations absolutely perfectly from around 1770 to 1918. My mother, born in 1918, was actually the first child for about 150 years who was not named in accordance with it. In contrast, a family in my Angus Glens farming branch seemed to like naming children after someone who had recently died or someone else in the family they were particularly close to, although the names were almost always chosen from a very small set of possible first names. This can be quite confusing. For instance my great-great-grandfather David Ogilvy had children called Mary, Janet, Ann and John. I thought for ages his parents must be John and Janet Ogilvy but when I got his death certificate at last, they turned out to be Thomas and Martha, which actually fitted in all other respects as he 'inherited' the lease of a farm from his father. best wishes, Sheila ________________________________ National Galleries of Scotland is a charity registered in Scotland (No. SC003728) Registered address: 73 Belford Road, Edinburgh, EH4 3DS. VAT No. GB270718360 www.nationalgalleries.org To be kept informed about events sign up for our email newsletter at www.nationalgalleries.org/mailinglist This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Galleries of Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had > 2 middle names > and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to > try and see if > I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no > avail. Any > advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) > BRYMER > STEWART... Hmmm. I think the first thing I would do is look to see if either of these names, or their variants*, occur in her mother's family tree. If not, there is a chance that one or both names may be from your grandmother's father's family. I don't think the naming pattern is likely to be useful in this case because it only really helps when there are at least three sons and/or three daughters. *Brymer is a variant of Bremner or Brebner so make sure to check thos as well as any obvious variants. HTH Anne

Hi Jeff You haven't given a year for your event, assuming its a birth registration, have you checked for a baptism? There may be a note regarding the father, always worth checking Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/12/2012 11:05, Jeff Androsoff wrote: > I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had 2 middle names > and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if > I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any > advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER > STEWART... > > Jeff