Les, Thank you again! I have so much to learn,even after 35 years. I just last week learned to search estate papers on the NAS. Follow up for land evaluation on rentals my ancestors lived on. Open Library has a great book on the Rentalls of Perthshire sic. (not my mispelling) listing the name of the rental, and which land owner owned it. I've found no such books for Angus or Fife, but checked the estate papers for Alyth for Coalshade and Balloch, where ancestors lived from 1760-1905, different generations, which belonged to the Earl of Airlie. Estate papers list the rentals. Finding who owns them now and getting permission to view them, is another learning opportunity. It's a real adventure finding records that are privately owned. Scottish records for the most part are not public domain. off topic: The Crown owns the records, and are their copyright. I was instructed by a copyright lawyer to transcribe all records in sentence form, which makes them my "work product" and are then copyrightable. Rose and I are writing books on our family history, and are exchanging the ins and outs of publishing. If anyone else is writing a book, please join us. So far I recommended "Write it Right" a little book on writing a book, which explains what goes in each section from dedication, forward to appendixes. How to approach a book, what to put in and what to leave out, Rose and I agree is the hardest part. The more I try to go beyond 1750, the more I have to learn. I have been taught most of what I know off the Angus and Perth lists. Bless you! We are all on the same learning curve, but as in life, I'm still struggling to get to the top of the hill. Mary in Oregon Helpful hint- I add an unknown sex individual to my database, for each subject: tax records or guide book, old units of measure, gazetteer, source or subject. I also add every email to the notes of each person. I know who gave me what detail this way. I'd like to hear other people's helpful hints, if the list thinks it is a fitting subject. These have to do with organizing data in a database. Each database is the researcher's intellectual property, which is also copyrightable. Even if you publish a tree online, it remains your property unless you join a commercial website, and give up that right. Looking in the NAS catalogue I have found this: Reference: GD26/5/254 - Papers of the Leslie family, Earls of Leven and Melville Title: Rental of the parish of Erroll [Errol]. [c. 1680] Dates: 1670-1690 In a message dated 3/3/2013 4:29:33 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, lezleyr@hotmail.com writes: Have you looked at the tax records? There's partial survival of the Poll tax between 1693 and 1699 under catalogue E70, for example. It's slightly before your guy's likely birth, but you may locate possible couples and/or siblings if you're lucky. Another possibility is testaments, but they're on Scotlands People now. My favourite source with questions like this is the NAS handbook. I've just treated myself to a new copy as the old one is falling apart. "Tracing your Scottish Ancestors. The Official Guide" by Tristram Clarke ISBN978-1-78027-022-7. I got it from amazon.co.uk. Lesley Robertson > -----Original Message----- > From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wallace Fullerton > Sent: 28 February 2013 5:14 PM > To: Angus Roots Web > Subject: [ANGUS] Research in Scotland - NAS and elsewhere > > I will be visiting Scotland in June and will have some > unscheduled time to locate records that might help take back > my family research a bit further than I've been able to > accomplish from the U.S. in the several decades I've spent > searching books and microfilm (pre-Internet) and > online resources. I would like to ask this forum for > suggestions. As > most of you know, an increasing amount is available through > online resources (familysearch.org, ancestry.com, > Scotlandspeople, etc.) but its not all there yet. > > While several of the experienced researchers have mentioned > some of their sources in recent days in response to other > queries, I am hoping there might be resources available only > in Scotland that might be useful. So that you don't head in > unproductive directions, here are some of the specifics of my > search to date: > > My 4G-grandparents were George Fullerton and Margaret Pirie, married > 1739 with banns called in Dun and Dunnichen parishes. George > held the tenancy at the Mains of Dun (part of the Erskine > estate near Montrose) from about 1739 through 1757, and all > of their ten children were christened in Dun. About 1757 he > relocated his family to a tenancy near > Benholm, Kincardine. His grave marker at Benholm, placed by a son > about 20 years after his death, suggests he was born in 1707 but > provides no other useful information. The only George > Fullerton I have > found in the OPRs (for any parish in Scotland) for that year > was born in Lunan Parish, the son of a blacksmith but I've > found nothing else > suggesting the two are the same George. Similarly, there > was a young > Fullerton family in Dunnichen about 1700, a John Fullerton in > Glenskinno (near Dun) about the same time, and a Fullerton > family who owned the nearby Kinnaber estate (Quakers, > however.) Some descendents have "claimed" these and others > as "our" family but based solely on the > circumstance of proximity. The Pirie family seems equally > difficult to > find. > > All that said, it was my hope that records from the Erskine > estate (the House of Dun, now a National Trust property) held > by the NAS would provide a clue - there are something like 8 > linear meters of such records which had not been cataloged > when I was previously in Scotland. > Apparently the cataloging has occurred in recent years and, > to my dismay, the online database suggests that NAS has > little to assist me. > While I intend to look through the estate records that might > be promising, I am now trying to identify other resources > available only in Scotland. > > If any of you have suggestions, they would be greatly > appreciated. I have no particular constraints on my travel or > time while there but hope to focus on the most promising > areas. I am fairly experienced and have no difficulty > straining my eyesight on old documents. > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > Wallace Fullerton > Kensington, MD > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message