I wonder if it is logical to assume that a family found in Banff, 1750+ would then move to Dundee? or at least the female for a Dundee marriage in 1785? strangely, I had begun to think that once in Dundee, always from Dundee, but am finding something different, of course. First, I believe that THOMAS NICOLL, said to be born Rhynd, was my ancestor with the rest of the his descendents in Dundee to 1901 and beyond and secondly, I am wondering if CHALMERS family of Banff, became my JEAN CHALMERS who married Thomas Nicoll 1785 in Dundee. Everything "fits" so well, such that Jean/Jane Chalmers born in 1760 was child of "James Chalmers and a wife JEAN REID....so began the use of "Reid" as a second given name for 3 or more generations of Nicolls?? [no other evidence of Reid yet] The very hard-to-read marriage entry has her father as "Jas"? Jean Chalmers Nicoll died 1847 age 87, at Kirkstyle, Kinfauns, Perthshire, and burial entry confirmed her spouse as 'THOMAS NICOLL, Blockmaker, Dundee" [who could ask for more?] I cannot find Jean Chalmers Nicoll [likely Jane] in 1841 yet because I doubt she was in Dundee after the death of her husband in January 1841 [how dare he die before the census was taken?] any tips here? thanks Liz of BC Canada

Harvie Abmittedly later than your folks in question but I have a Christina Fraser of that area married in McDuff (just down the road from Banff) in 1853 to her seaman husband William Shanks and then residing evermore in Aberdeen and Arbroath. Truth to tell, some girls will do most anything for a handsome lad in a uniform! BTW - 'Jas' is short for James Regards Judith Harper Nelson, NZ Harvie Barker wrote: > I wonder if it is logical to assume that a family found in Banff, 1750+ > would then move to Dundee? or at least the female for a Dundee marriage > in 1785? > > strangely, I had begun to think that once in Dundee, always from > Dundee, but am finding something different, of course. > > First, I believe that THOMAS NICOLL, said to be born Rhynd, was my > ancestor with the rest of the his descendents in Dundee to 1901 and > beyond > > and secondly, I am wondering if CHALMERS family of Banff, became my > JEAN CHALMERS who married Thomas Nicoll 1785 in Dundee. Everything > "fits" so well, such that Jean/Jane Chalmers born in 1760 was child of > "James Chalmers and a wife JEAN REID....so began the use of "Reid" as a > second given name for 3 or more generations of Nicolls?? [no other > evidence of Reid yet] > The very hard-to-read marriage entry has her father as "Jas"? > > Jean Chalmers Nicoll died 1847 age 87, at Kirkstyle, Kinfauns, > Perthshire, and burial entry confirmed her spouse as 'THOMAS NICOLL, > Blockmaker, Dundee" [who could ask for more?] > > I cannot find Jean Chalmers Nicoll [likely Jane] in 1841 yet because I > doubt she was in Dundee after the death of her husband in January 1841 > [how dare he die before the census was taken?] > > any tips here? thanks Liz of BC Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> I wonder if it is logical to assume that a family found in > Banff, 1750+ > would then move to Dundee? or at least the female for a Dundee > marriage > in 1785? It wouldn't be the first family to move that way. I correspond with a descendant of a Leslie who did just that in the 18th century. Both Banff and Dundee are sea ports, and until the roads were improved most trade went by sea because it was not practical to send it any other way. So there would have been a lots of ships going along the coast, and it would make sense that there would be links between the ports. I see that James Chalmers and Jean Reid were married in Deskford, and that their daughter Jean Chalmers was baptised in Grange in the county of Banff, not in the town of Banff or indeed any other sea port. Her two elder sisters were baptised in Cullen and a younger one in Grange. So we seem to have a couple who married in an agricultural parish very near the coast Deskford), moved to a parish with a sea port (Cullen), then away from the coast again to another agricultural parish (Grange). To me this suggests that her father is likely to have been a farm servant rather than a seafaring man, but it's certainly possible either that he moved south with his whole family, or that one or more of his children did, looking for work. So yes, it's quite conceivable that your Jean is the daughter of James Chalmers and Jean Reid, but I'd want to see a little more evidence to be sure. For example, were the witnesses at the baptisms of all the children of Thomas Nicoll and Jean Chalmers named in the baptism records? Were there any with connections in Banffshire? Were their relationships to the child recorded? (This information was sometimes included in Dundee baptisms.) Are there any other Chalmers in the Howff who might be related to Jean Chalmers or Nicoll? Or indeed Reids? Anne