Helen, It seems likely that she was called after someone called Alexander Fenton, who could have been a relative, a neighbour, the doctor, the minister, or another local worthy. Unless you can find someone called Alexander Fenton who was connected to the family, it's unlikely that you will ever be sure. Doreen Cuthbert --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Helen <nell1@sympatico.ca> wrote: > From: Helen <nell1@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] FENTON Ancestry - Tannadice, Brechin & Arbroath > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 1:17 PM > Hi - I have a long-standing FENTON mystery. My g-uncle > George D'ALL married > Jane Alexander Fenton RAMSAY. Jane was born 22 June 1912 in > Dundee to > Cranston RAMSAY & and Elizabeth Stewart ROSS, both of > whom were also born in > Dundee - Cranston the son of Robert RAMSAY & Jessie > WILLIAMSON (m 3 June > 1851, Arbroath), Elizabeth the daughter of Robert ROSS > & Maria HOLLAND. > > I have not been able to determine why FENTON appears in > Jane's name, unless > it was perhaps the surname of a friend. > > Helen > In Montreal > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2101 - Release > Date: 05/06/09 > 17:58:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Doreen, She did have an uncle Alexander (Ramsay), but I had pretty much come to the same conclusions you have listed ...... I have the feeling it will remain a mystery. Thank you Helen -----Original Message----- From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DOREEN CUTHBERT Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:30 AM To: angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] FENTON Ancestry - Tannadice, Brechin & Arbroath Helen, It seems likely that she was called after someone called Alexander Fenton, who could have been a relative, a neighbour, the doctor, the minister, or another local worthy. Unless you can find someone called Alexander Fenton who was connected to the family, it's unlikely that you will ever be sure. Doreen Cuthbert

I would agree with Doreen - If Jane is a younger one of many siblings, you may find (as I have concluded in some of my lines) that Ma & Pa ran out of relations and started on the friends and neighbours as inspiration for names! Do you have access to neighbour information for around the time she was born) valuation rolls, etc)? Pat "What is this life, if full of care, We have no time to stand and stare ..." W. H. Davies, Leisure [<snip>] It seems likely that she was called after someone called Alexander Fenton, who could have been a relative, a neighbour, the doctor, the minister, or another local worthy. Unless you can find someone called Alexander Fenton who was connected to the family, it's unlikely that you will ever be sure [<snip>]

Dear Helen: It caught my eye that you have a George D'ALL in your ancestry. My GG aunt was Georginia POWRIE who married a John Da'll (or Dall). Georgina Powrie was the daughter of John POWRIE and Isabella BRUCE. Do you see a connection between your D'ALL family and this John D'ALL who married my Georgina. They were in Dundee. THANKS! DUNDEE: POWRIE, INNES, REID, BRUCE, HAY (probably HADDON) 4. Georgina Thomson Powrie, b. May 18, 1865. Married Dec. 30, 1887, Dundee to John Dall, son of John Dall, coal carter (?) and Janet Young, both deceased. At the time of their marriage, Georgina, was 22, working as a power loom weaver, and living at 8 Tannadice St. John was 36, a calender worker and living at 6 Malcolm St. (There is not a Malcolm Street on a modern map of Dundee, but there is a Malcolm Crescent in the Dundee East area, just north of Monifieth.) Witnesses were James Powrie and Jane Brown Dall.[i] On August 24, 1891, "Georgian Powrie" arrived in Port of New York, on the Anchoria, with a final destination of Providence, Rhode Island. The ship had sailed from Glasgow, Scotland, via Moville, Ireland.[1] So, Georgina had come to visit her brother James and sister, Julianna, who I believe were already living in Providence. This does not indicate why her maiden name is used. (Was James Powrie, witness to the marriage, Georgina's brother James Powrie? If so, he would have left the very next day to the U.S., as the 1900 U.S. Census for Rhode Island indicates he emigrated to the United States in 1887. Or did he come to the United States earlier in 1887 and return for the wedding of his younger sister?) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] New York Passenger Records, MF-574, List #1279, Line 13. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [i]. Dundee Vital Records, SRO Marriage, 282/4, no. 339. From: Helen <nell1@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] FENTON Ancestry - Tannadice, Brechin & Arbroath > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 1:17 PM > Hi - I have a long-standing FENTON mystery. My g-uncle > George D'ALL married > Jane Alexander Fenton RAMSAY. Jane was born 22 June 1912 in > Dundee to > Cranston RAMSAY & and Elizabeth Stewart ROSS, both of > whom were also born in > Dundee - Cranston the son of Robert RAMSAY & Jessie > WILLIAMSON (m 3 June > 1851, Arbroath), Elizabeth the daughter of Robert ROSS > & Maria HOLLAND. > > I have not been able to determine why FENTON appears in > Jane's name, unless > it was perhaps the surname of a friend. > > Helen

Hello Marilyn, The only John I have was born in 1866 in Dundee .... his branch of the family retained the original spelling of DALZIEL whereas ours is phonetic, more than likely some official's interpretation of the pronounciation. John was the son of George DALZIEL and his third partner Susan Robertson. George DALZIEL was the eldest brother of my gg-grandfather Alexander D'ALL. In all honesty I have not pursued his branch of the family, concentrating instead on my direct line, so I have nothing on John except the year of his birth. So far I have not found any POWRIE connections. Just in passing, my g-grandmother was also an Isabella BRUCE (not the same one as yours) who married Alexander D'ALL, son of the Alexander mentioned above. Helen -----Original Message----- From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of New Englander / Marilyn Arnold Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:07 PM To: angus@rootsweb.com Subject: [ANGUS] D'All -- Dundee Dear Helen: It caught my eye that you have a George D'ALL in your ancestry. My GG aunt was Georginia POWRIE who married a John Da'll (or Dall). Georgina Powrie was the daughter of John POWRIE and Isabella BRUCE. Do you see a connection between your D'ALL family and this John D'ALL who married my Georgina. They were in Dundee. THANKS! DUNDEE: POWRIE, INNES, REID, BRUCE, HAY (probably HADDON) 4. Georgina Thomson Powrie, b. May 18, 1865. Married Dec. 30, 1887, Dundee to John Dall, son of John Dall, coal carter (?) and Janet Young, both deceased. At the time of their marriage, Georgina, was 22, working as a power loom weaver, and living at 8 Tannadice St. John was 36, a calender worker and living at 6 Malcolm St. (There is not a Malcolm Street on a modern map of Dundee, but there is a Malcolm Crescent in the Dundee East area, just north of Monifieth.) Witnesses were James Powrie and Jane Brown Dall.[i] On August 24, 1891, "Georgian Powrie" arrived in Port of New York, on the Anchoria, with a final destination of Providence, Rhode Island. The ship had sailed from Glasgow, Scotland, via Moville, Ireland.[1] So, Georgina had come to visit her brother James and sister, Julianna, who I believe were already living in Providence. This does not indicate why her maiden name is used. (Was James Powrie, witness to the marriage, Georgina's brother James Powrie? If so, he would have left the very next day to the U.S., as the 1900 U.S. Census for Rhode Island indicates he emigrated to the United States in 1887. Or did he come to the United States earlier in 1887 and return for the wedding of his younger sister?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [1] New York Passenger Records, MF-574, List #1279, Line 13. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [i]. Dundee Vital Records, SRO Marriage, 282/4, no. 339. From: Helen <nell1@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] FENTON Ancestry - Tannadice, Brechin & Arbroath > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 1:17 PM > Hi - I have a long-standing FENTON mystery. My g-uncle > George D'ALL married > Jane Alexander Fenton RAMSAY. Jane was born 22 June 1912 in > Dundee to > Cranston RAMSAY & and Elizabeth Stewart ROSS, both of > whom were also born in > Dundee - Cranston the son of Robert RAMSAY & Jessie > WILLIAMSON (m 3 June > 1851, Arbroath), Elizabeth the daughter of Robert ROSS > & Maria HOLLAND. > > I have not been able to determine why FENTON appears in > Jane's name, unless > it was perhaps the surname of a friend. > > Helen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2101 - Release Date: 05/07/09 05:57:00