I found a new _http://www.familyrelatives.com/index.php_ (http://www.familyrelatives.com/index.php) commercial; pay-to-play website saying trade records... they were not trade indentures but business directories, especially from Dundee are on it. It lists Forfarshire,not Angus. They have other stuff like Royal Navy, Air Force and Army to 1950, but they have early parish in England and new Zealand. A year cost 30 pounds/50 dollars. Find My Past is great for military and B/M/D for military. There are so many great sources, and they have overlaps. I have so few records left, an all back beyond the dreaded pre-1855! two of my favs are: _http://_ (http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac940/weblibs.html) _www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/ukinfo/index.php_ (http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/ukinfo/index.php) all uk universities. _http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac940/weblibs.html_ (http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac940/weblibs.html) public libraries in uk. I am learning about the trade guilds, and wondered what my friends on the lists had to say(Angus and Perth) If no one is interested...I'll drop it. http://www.dundeechannel.com/Nine_Trades.html a short video given by Innes Duffus, they Dundee trade archivist, and should be a Scottish National treasure! http://local.upmystreet.com/picture-of-the-ell-shop-dunkeld-id-908532.html is of the 'Ell Shop' in Dunkeld - the ell measure, a weaver's measure for cloth, is that bar on the wall of the house, on the left. Yes, apprenticeships were contractual and the contracts varied a bit, but there would be a contract including between relatives. Different trades had different time periods and I'm not sure what it would be for weavers or in Perthshire. I've read through some minutes of trade guilds which sometimes note fees etc., and there are occasional accounts of the apprentice making off with the apprenticeship not completed, when a sponsor (e.g. parent) should recompense the master. There was an account I read, from Leith, where the apprentice and his father had absconded, apparently leaving the country so the master had no recompense. After the period of the apprenticeship the craftsperson would become a journeyman, that is, hiring out their skills on a daily or other timed basis by working for pay for a master. In order to become a craftmaster the person would complete an 'essay', a set piece of work to be evaluated by the craftmasters. Chris, on the Perth list sent info specific to handloom weavers. Mary in Oregon I don't know the situation in Dundee, but have studied the handloom weavers incorporation's history in Perth up to 1845. The attached article may be of some assistance - I also have a website at _www.perthweavers.bravehost.com_ (http://www.perthweavers.bravehost.com/) Regards Chris Paton Chris Paton BA (Hons), HND, PgDip (Genealogical Studies) _www.ScotlandsGreatestStory.co.uk_ (http://www.scotlandsgreateststory.co.uk/) Scotland's Greatest Story family history research _www.ScottishAncestry.blogspot.com_ (http://www.scottishancestry.blogspot.com/) Scottish GENES (GEnealogy News and EventS)

Dundee (and Angus / Forfarshire and others) Directories can be downloaded for free here http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=dundee First Directory is about halfway down the first page. Pat "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast Check out my website www.genesontheweb.co.uk PC>-----Original Message----- PC>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On PC>Behalf Of [email protected] PC>Sent: 09 July 2011 01:16 PC>To: [email protected] PC>Subject: [ANGUS] (no subject) PC> PC>I found a new _http://www.familyrelatives.com/index.php_ PC>(http://www.familyrelatives.com/index.php) commercial; pay-to-play PC>website saying trade PC>records... they were not trade indentures but business directories, PC>especially PC>from Dundee are on it. It lists Forfarshire,not Angus.