If William returned to Dundee, he would probably have travelled by sea. Here’s a link to one of the companies that operated that route: www.benjidog.co.uk/allen/index_files/Page3195.htm It was comparatively cheap, and usually took several days. The overland journey was much more expensive. Even after the railways were built, the ferry journey remained popular as it was much cheaper. I very much doubt he was given any money when he was released. He would have had to fend for himself. If his family sent money for him, I suspect they would have done so via a trusted intermediary, rather than direct to the prison, in case it got "lost".

Elwyn: I see that I didn't properly thank you for this response -- this is helpful. So he would have come by sea. That makes sense. As to money, I just don't have any idea, but I can't find anything about him after 1825, so .... I'm just left to wonder without other clues. To the List: Any sense of how expensive a trip would be to Dundee relative to a year's salary for a tradesman, like a sawmaker (his son was a sawmaker, but had a growing family by this point). (The only other known son was serving a 14 year term in a Australian penal colony.) William's wife "kept a shop." Since he was a "man of exceptional character" according to the warden, one might think that he would have returned to his wife, perhaps? And, any thoughts about other possible extant records in Dundee, that I should check that I haven't already?. (I've found the family in 1841, 1851; Death of wife, son, son's family; burial of rest of family in Howff; available C. Directories online. There was no will for William or wife.). Thanks again. This list is very helpful! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... England; would he have returned??? > If William returned to Dundee, he would probably have travelled by sea. > Here’s a link to one of the companies that operated that route: www.benjidog.co.uk/allen/index_files/Page3195.htm > > It was comparatively cheap, and usually took several days. The > overland journey was much more expensive. Even after the railways were > built, the ferry journey remained popular as it was much cheaper. > > I > very much doubt he was given any money when he was released. He would > have had to fend for himself. If his family sent money for him, I > suspect they would have done so via a trusted intermediary, rather than > direct to the prison, in case it got "lost". > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea (traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price index, that equates to £83 today. www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php

Thank you, Elwyn! Very helpful! Now I just need to figure out what 1 guinea was relative to a month's income for a working man. I do know that there is an actual guinea note among the list of items in the Court Papers for the tried William Innes. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... England; would he have returned??? > According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the > Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea > (traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price > index, that equates to £83 today. > > www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

[email protected] wrote: >According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the >Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea >(traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price >index, that equates to £83 today. > >www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > I guinea (£1 and 1shilling) sounds expensive. In the Banffshire Journal of 3 July 1866, the deck fare fare from Aberdeen to London is only 10 shillings, or half the figure quoted from Smout. Gavin Bell

Forty years on this might have been by steamship therefor faster (slightly) and less dependant on wind strength and direction. Also maybe a higher passenger density and, if the voyage time was a few days shorter (and more reliably done in that time) there would be less catering cost for the passenger's food. So a lower fare would be possible. Also, by 1860 the shipping companies would be experiencing some competition from the railways, at least at the top end of the fare structure, so might be offering lower fares just to stay in business. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Dundee -- Citizen arrested, tried, prisoner ... England; would he have returned??? > [email protected] wrote: > >>According to Scotland & the Sea by T. Christopher Smout, in 1819, the >>Dundee & Perth Union’s cheapest fare from Dundee to London was 1 guinea >>(traveling on deck). According to a comparison with the Retail price >>index, that equates to £83 today. >> >>www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/result.php >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> > > I guinea (£1 and 1shilling) sounds expensive. In the Banffshire Journal > of 3 July 1866, the deck fare fare from Aberdeen to London is only 10 > shillings, or half the figure quoted from Smout. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3910 - Release Date: 09/21/11 >