This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: silvercopse Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5979.1.1.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Doreen Can you please let me know the info you have on the children as I have them down for nine children. thanks alan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ladybagot Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5978.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Ashley I have sent the photos via email, please let me know if you have received them okay. Glenda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Remember if you go to the GROS in person, ALL records are available to view. If anyone wants/needs yesterday's records, a professional can get them for you. I pay less than a pound a record, and get them via email. It is a waste to spend money on extracts, or wait on records to be available online. In addition, records not digitized are also available if in person or through a native professional. Why wait or waste money? Mary in Oregon. I've done 1553-2009, including the non-conformist records, the index of which is at the NAS. I've found civil records at the Scottish regional offices, which failed to send the second copy to the centralized GROS in Edinburgh. Find my past (findmypast.co.uk) for military B/M/D and English indexes. I have not found a way around buying certificates/extracts in England, if anyone has had success with research there. I am upset by Find my past.co.uk subscription not being available on findmypast.com. they maintain two separate databases which require separate subscriptions. My class in pre-1750 research in Scotland through Pharos. _http://www.pharostutors.com/_ (http://www.pharostutors.com/) In a message dated 12/21/2012 5:15:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ovington1@sky.com writes: >From Scotlandspeoples newsletter Release of the New Year's images on ScotlandsPeople We are delighted to announce that the New Year's images will be made available on the ScotlandsPeople website on the 1st of January 2013. Images from statutory register of births for 1912, the statutory register of marriages for 1937 and the statutory register of deaths for 1962 will be made available on the ScotlandsPeople website at the turn of the New Year. We hope that you enjoy using these new images, and that the post-Hogmanay lull is the ideal time for it! -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From Scotlandspeoples newsletter Release of the New Year's images on ScotlandsPeople We are delighted to announce that the New Year's images will be made available on the ScotlandsPeople website on the 1st of January 2013. Images from statutory register of births for 1912, the statutory register of marriages for 1937 and the statutory register of deaths for 1962 will be made available on the ScotlandsPeople website at the turn of the New Year. We hope that you enjoy using these new images, and that the post-Hogmanay lull is the ideal time for it! -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

At 01:00 a.m. 29/11/2012 -0700, you wrote: > > >If you are responding to an item in this Digest, please remember to use the item, title, not the Digest title, so that other people can see what you are responding to! Thank you. > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Henderson family from Montrose Angus, Scotland > (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 03:19:08 -0000 >From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Henderson family from Montrose Angus, Scotland >To: <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <1354159148.52860@rootsweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Author: gspeel >Surnames: >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1623.2 .1.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Hi >I am looking for information on a Helen Henderson, the only information I have is in the 1851 census she was aged 76 and living with her Great ?? Grand daughter Ann Peel in Dudhope st Prestons Road >thanks >Geoff Peel > >Important Note: >The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the ANGUS list administrator, send an email to >ANGUS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the ANGUS mailing list, send an email to ANGUS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of ANGUS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 272 >************************************* >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cook" <bscccook@rogers.com> To: <ANGUS-admin@rootsweb.com>; <SCOTLAND-admin@rootsweb.com>; <SCOTLAND-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:03 PM Subject: Obituary - Gray, James Hello; I am sending along the obituary below for posting to your mail lists as it may be of interest to a family member, friend or someone researching the family. Thanks for taking the time to post it. Regards, Bill C. ================================================== The Chronicle Herald, Halifax, Nova Scotia, December 3, 2012 James Gray(1923-2012) James Gray was born in May 1923 in Montrose, Scotland, the son of James and Matilda (Smythe) Gray and passed away peacefully in hospital on November 27, 2012 in Kentville, Nova Scotia. He is survived by his wife of 65 years Pamela Doris (Knight) and his daughter Caroline. He graduated from the University of Aberdeen. His studies were interrupted by war service. After the war he was a student at Oxford University graduating with the B.A. (Honours) in 1948. Following research at Yale University, Columbia University and the University of Montreal he received the Ph.D. degree from the University of Montreal in 1970. In 1948 he joined Bishop's University as a Lecturer in English, becoming an Assistant Professor in 1951, an Associate Professor in 1955 and Professor in 1958. He was Head of the Department from 1958-71, and Chair of the Division of Humanities 1971-72. In 1972 he moved to Dalhousie University on his appointment as Professor and Chair of the English Department. He was Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Science, 1975-80 and appointed Thomas McCulloch Professor of English Literature in 1980. He served with British and Indian Armies in India and Burma 1943 - 46 and was demobbed with the rank of Major. Subsequently at Bishop's University he was the CO of O.T.C., 1952-60. He was awarded the Coronation Medal in 1953, and the Jubilee Medal 1977. His scholarship was recognized when he became a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts and the Royal Society of Canada. He was co-editor of The Sermons of Samuel Johnson 1978 and author of Johnson's Sermons: A Study, as well as numerous articles in the fields of Aesthetics, Literature Criticism and Biography. Active in professional and university affairs, he was national president of the Humanities Association of Canada, 1958-60, becoming an honorary member in 1986. One of his hobbies was philately and he wrote articles for the Canadian Philatelist and the American Philatelist. In 1999 he was awarded the 1999 Geldert Medal of the Royal Philatelic Society of Canada for the best article in the Canadian Philatelist. Cremation has taken place and an informal memorial gathering will be held from 2-4 p.m., Friday, December 7, 2012 in the Wolfville Nursing Home, Wolfville, NS. Arrangements have been entrusted to the White Family Funeral Home and Cremation Services, Kentville.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: greengait Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5978.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Glenda, The description of the clock sounds wonderful. I will try over the next few days to look out a photograph of my grand father and the front of the shop in which it was made. We to had been searching for a clock and came across one with the name James Anderson, Forfarshire. We were never able to confirm that it was my grandfathers work so did not progress with the purchase. I am truly pleased that it has found a loving home. I am only sorry that my father John Anderson is no longer here to hear about this. My email address is greengait@btinternet.com. I look forward to seeing and posting some photographs to you soon. Kind Regards Ashley Anderson-Hunter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ladybagot Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5978.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply Asley, I am so pleased to have made a connection to our clock and to receive your family history background to it. The clock is very special to us as we had been searching for the right one for three years. It was bought at auction for us just days before our fortieth wedding anniversary. We were told it had been very much loved and cared for. It is now the heart of our home. This is how it was described; Lot 280 A George III period oak, mahogany and boxwood strung eight day Long Case Clock, the broken swan neck pediment surmounted with eagle finials above a 12" painted broken arched dial, the white chapter ring with Roman numerals and subsidiary seconds hand and date hand, signed J Anderson (Junior), Arbroath, cornered by gilded and hand decorated spandrels modelled as roses, flanked by reeded columns with gilt metal caps, further over a shaped trunk door and quadrant, fluted, reeded pilasters, shaped apron and raised on small bracket feet, approximately 199cm high. On the crescent above the dial there is a painted scene of a Manor house and lake, a Scottish scene? You have prompted me to take photos which I will do and send on. Please reply with your email address. Kind regards Glenda Baggott Evans Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Jeff You haven't given a year for your event, assuming its a birth registration, have you checked for a baptism? There may be a note regarding the father, always worth checking Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17/12/2012 11:05, Jeff Androsoff wrote: > I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had 2 middle names > and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if > I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any > advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER > STEWART... > > Jeff

> I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had > 2 middle names > and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to > try and see if > I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no > avail. Any > advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) > BRYMER > STEWART... Hmmm. I think the first thing I would do is look to see if either of these names, or their variants*, occur in her mother's family tree. If not, there is a chance that one or both names may be from your grandmother's father's family. I don't think the naming pattern is likely to be useful in this case because it only really helps when there are at least three sons and/or three daughters. *Brymer is a variant of Bremner or Brebner so make sure to check thos as well as any obvious variants. HTH Anne

If she was illegitimate, her mother may have given her a middle name that disclosed the real father's surname. I've found a few cases. Can't really help with two middle names. Quite unusual until 20th century for most "ordinary" families. Gordon Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -----Original Message----- From: "Jeff Androsoff" <jandrosoff@sasktel.net> Sender: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:05:43 To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Prevalence of naming pattern? I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had 2 middle names and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER STEWART... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Perry Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:27 AM To: 'angus@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Prevalence of naming pattern? In my experience, if a family uses the naming pattern it *really* uses it! I have a family branch in Fife (miners) where I can trace it down the generations absolutely perfectly from around 1770 to 1918. My mother, born in 1918, was actually the first child for about 150 years who was not named in accordance with it. In contrast, a family in my Angus Glens farming branch seemed to like naming children after someone who had recently died or someone else in the family they were particularly close to, although the names were almost always chosen from a very small set of possible first names. This can be quite confusing. For instance my great-great-grandfather David Ogilvy had children called Mary, Janet, Ann and John. I thought for ages his parents must be John and Janet Ogilvy but when I got his death certificate at last, they turned out to be Thomas and Martha, which actually fitted in all other respects as he 'inherited' the lease of a farm from his father. best wishes, Sheila ________________________________ National Galleries of Scotland is a charity registered in Scotland (No. SC003728) Registered address: 73 Belford Road, Edinburgh, EH4 3DS. VAT No. GB270718360 www.nationalgalleries.org To be kept informed about events sign up for our email newsletter at www.nationalgalleries.org/mailinglist This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Galleries of Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<SNIPPED>> She had 2 middle names and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER STEWART... <<SNIPPED>> They look like surnames used as middle names. Those generally seem to be connected in some way, but the way can be in any fashion. While it's tempting to assume one is the surname of the father, that's no more than a guess - they could be family surnames going back several generations, they could be the surname of the doctor / midwife / minister / business partner / kindly neighbour... Having a look at neighbours in the Directories (if any) or censuses can be profitable. Adrian

In my experience, if a family uses the naming pattern it *really* uses it! I have a family branch in Fife (miners) where I can trace it down the generations absolutely perfectly from around 1770 to 1918. My mother, born in 1918, was actually the first child for about 150 years who was not named in accordance with it. In contrast, a family in my Angus Glens farming branch seemed to like naming children after someone who had recently died or someone else in the family they were particularly close to, although the names were almost always chosen from a very small set of possible first names. This can be quite confusing. For instance my great-great-grandfather David Ogilvy had children called Mary, Janet, Ann and John. I thought for ages his parents must be John and Janet Ogilvy but when I got his death certificate at last, they turned out to be Thomas and Martha, which actually fitted in all other respects as he 'inherited' the lease of a farm from his father. best wishes, Sheila ________________________________ National Galleries of Scotland is a charity registered in Scotland (No. SC003728) Registered address: 73 Belford Road, Edinburgh, EH4 3DS. VAT No. GB270718360 www.nationalgalleries.org To be kept informed about events sign up for our email newsletter at www.nationalgalleries.org/mailinglist This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Galleries of Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message.

I wonder what the case would be for my Grandmother?? She had 2 middle names and no father listed. I have been trying (unsuccesfully) to try and see if I can find her birth father using the naming pattern but to no avail. Any advice would be helpful... her name was Evelyn TEVINDALE (sp?) BRYMER STEWART... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Perry Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:27 AM To: 'angus@rootsweb.com' Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Prevalence of naming pattern? In my experience, if a family uses the naming pattern it *really* uses it! I have a family branch in Fife (miners) where I can trace it down the generations absolutely perfectly from around 1770 to 1918. My mother, born in 1918, was actually the first child for about 150 years who was not named in accordance with it. In contrast, a family in my Angus Glens farming branch seemed to like naming children after someone who had recently died or someone else in the family they were particularly close to, although the names were almost always chosen from a very small set of possible first names. This can be quite confusing. For instance my great-great-grandfather David Ogilvy had children called Mary, Janet, Ann and John. I thought for ages his parents must be John and Janet Ogilvy but when I got his death certificate at last, they turned out to be Thomas and Martha, which actually fitted in all other respects as he 'inherited' the lease of a farm from his father. best wishes, Sheila ________________________________ National Galleries of Scotland is a charity registered in Scotland (No. SC003728) Registered address: 73 Belford Road, Edinburgh, EH4 3DS. VAT No. GB270718360 www.nationalgalleries.org To be kept informed about events sign up for our email newsletter at www.nationalgalleries.org/mailinglist This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Galleries of Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: greengait Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5978.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello,I have recently stumbled upon your post whilst researching my family tree. John Anderson of 6 Keptie St Arbroath was my great grandfather. His Son James Spark Anderson was my grandfather and his son John Spark McCarron Anderson was my dad. Unfortunatley I lost my dad very suddenly in September of 2007 and I have been researching my family tree off and on since then. I have jewel boxes with the shop name etc upon them and would be interested to see any pictures you may have of the actual clock. I believe that the actual movement may have been made by my grandfather. If you are able to provide me with this i would be very grateful. Kind Regards Ashley Anderson-Hunter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5996.3.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, some amendments to what you have stated, and to bring it more up to date: Census, if you read the instructions (for 1851) it tells the enumerator to copy exactly what the head of household wrote in the schedule. The wording you use: " it is important to pigeon/dove cote peope into three boxes, pre-working, working age(if they were employeed if they were working, and old age" has nothing to do with instructions to enumerators....easy to see why, the church was still doing most of the "social welfare agency caring, but the crown understood that it would eventually fill that role, [No, the state did not assume such things. By 1845 the Poor Law in Scotland was already in operation, making care of the destitute a civil matter; but it was 1911 before the first Old Age pensions started, and the unemployed were not included in civil care until 1930.] so large numbers of chilren in schools might need tax money, working or not-paying taxes and keeping account of if the tax base was increasing or decreasing, and finally elders who would eventually need incre! asing help, was and still is an important issue.[BUT this is social policy, and not in itself a matter for the census enumerators.] Nobles who had very little care of their tenants, didn't want to give to the poor, or set a prescient where they might be pressured to give more. The word "Nobles" is incorrect: it should be landowners - most of whom were not of the nobility. In church care for the poor, it was the Heritors were were financially responsible, and they were all landowners. When the state took over, the (civil) Parochial Boards had the power to impose a levy, if the voluntary system failed to operate properly. the early census 1800-1831 were tallies, and original sheets have no family names. !841-1851,enumerators were told to move age or minus five years [No, just 1841. 1851 asked for exact ages]. 1841 just asks if born in Scotland. [NO, it was whether born in the COUNTY] So the government could care less for next of kin. The other religions are not centralized, but it is important to at least look at them. [Not entirely accurate. ALL the R.C. registers have been sent to Edinburgh to be copied and sent back, or retained and copies sent back, and these are indexed. Other denominations are partly centralised, but not indexed nationally.] Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

You'll all have seen my post from the Message Board anyway, but just as a reminder, I am 8/8ths Scots, all 208 direct ancestors unearthed so far being born in Scotland. I have 2234 couples in my tree married between 1750 and 1900, and I reckon that something like half of them followed the naming pattern to some extent. My mother's family is from west and central Scotland and my father's from eastern Scotland. I agree that it isn't an infallible way of working out who the previous generation were, but in my families it is certainly prevalent enough to provide very strong evidence, and I have used it in this way. For instance I found two Grizel Leslies in my father's side, both born in the parish of Rothes in 1757. One of them was the daughter of Joseph and the other was the daughter of William. One married Alexander Duncan, son of John Duncan, and they had sons named John, Joseph, Alexander and James, but no William. The other married Alexander Cruickshank, son of Robert, and had sons Robert, William, James and Alexander, but no Joseph. So it wasn't exactly difficult to deduce which was which. As a bonus, the mother of No 2 was Janet and her mother-in-law was Elizabeth; and her daughters were Janet, Elizabeth and Isobel. Many of my mother's relatives followed the tradition exactly for several generations. Anne ________________________________ From: Adrian Bruce <abruce@madasafish.com> To: angus@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 15 December 2012, 21:06 Subject: [ANGUS] Prevalence of naming pattern? A thread on the Message Board for Angus leads me to ask out of curiosity - how many of your Scots families follow the classic Scots naming pattern? My view has always been that you should use ancestry to deduce a naming pattern, not a naming pattern to deduce ancestry. No harm in using it to define priorities in a search, but it's not evidence. My personal experience has been that I'm 1/8th Scots (one G-grandfather from Dundee) and _if_ that's a representative percentage, of the 751 families in my database, 93 would be Scots. Well, I've seen just two of those families follow a naming pattern. One was a family into which my relative married, so the pattern was before they arrived. The other came from California - the maternal grandfather was Scots, but they got the order of the first two daughters wrong. So call it one-and-a-half families. As I said on the board, the pattern unquestionably exists in _some_ areas and eras and I'd sort of got the idea that it would be stronger in the Gaelic areas.  However, a later post said that that something like half of Forfarian's families on both coasts follow the pattern. So - have I just got a contrary bunch (from Dundee but also coming down from Dunkeld)? In a completely unscientific survey - what's the feeling on how many of your Scots families from wherever follow the pattern? Cheers Adrian Bruce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5996.3.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Important to remember, these are not records created for our use, but a government 128 years ago. Scotland went from highly fuedal to moderately fuedal. Census, if you read the instructions (for 1851) it tells the enumerator, it is important to pigeon/dove cote peope into three boxes, pre-working, working age(if they were employeed if they were working, and old age...easy to see why, the church was still doing most of the "social welfare agency caring, but the crown understood that it would eventually fill that role, so large numbers of chilren in schools might need tax money, working or not-paying taxes and keeping account of if the tax base was increasing or decreasing, and finally elders who would eventually need increasing help, was and still is an important issue. Nobles who had very little care of their tenants, didn't want to give to the poor, or set a prescient where they might be pressured to give more. in my last master class in pre1750 research, a local woman asked the church for assistance reimbursement for a four year old orphan, she gave him meals, washed his clothes, but instead of helping her monitarily, they offered to SELL him a license tobeg?! Some church elders did honestly care for the children who they watched growing up, but still pillared a ten year old for getting pregnant as a domestic servant, she died shorty after birth from complications,and his grandparents adopted him. no charges were filed or any real investigation was ever conducted since her employer was also estate manger for the Earl's estate. the grandfather identified the rapist in the family bible, shortly before death. the early census 1800-1831 were tallies, and original sheets have no family names. !841-1851,enumerators were told to move age or minus five years. 1841 just asks if born in Scotland. So the government could care less for next of kin. The other religions are not centralized, but it is important to at least look at them. I have lists of resources, I maintain subscriptions to Scran, scotspeeps, ancestry, scotsmen newspaper. If george had milaria, he was not a simple fisherman, tropical illnesses in and around India, china, and the African continent. "You can always get what you want if you only know how to use what you have" is a fav. quote. We build a family of friends who share our passion, as my own sister's eye glaze over if I begin to talk family history. They want my results, but think it is a destination, but it is really a journey. We understand about that in each other. the Family history I like best is not going just the dates that are bookends on the life, which is the book between. I read everything I can about the trades/occupation, regiments, and general history. You can infer your ancestors life by looking at a person who did write down, life in a bothy, or one-room tenament. FHS keep libraries of pedigree files sent by members. Tay valley had 16,000 files at my last visit. I h! ave the Perthshire and Angus monument inscription books from the Scottish genealogy society. The books usually have 120 cemeteries, fewer cemeteries in big cities. The index has only last names, then I or someone has to look them up in every cemetery they occur in for particular names and dates. If you want I can go through my subsciptions sites looking but i'd need his wife's surname. I am not an expert, but I do have experience (more than 30 years). I have found many errors, strange spellings, and a huge number of varients. the MI books do list local history books, and I search add-all, used and out of print books, but you can find great publications from the Family History societies. All the best for the holidays, and i can give you recommendations for professionals with us on the list and off Mary in Oregon Bruinswood@aol.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I haven't analysed it (yet!) but my MASTERTON families in Fife and Forfar, in I would say equal measure, follow the Scottish naming pattern quite strongly. I'd estimate at least 50 percent for the period between about 1750 and 1900 (earlier dates subject to the qualifier below). Starts to diminish towards the end of the 19th century. For times earlier than 1855, when most relationships (unless backed up by legal documents) are built on the balance of probabilities, I regard it as adding to the confidence level of a parent/child relationship, but certainly not treating it as conclusive evidence. But In my lowland families it's certainly not a myth. Gordon Masterton On 15 Dec 2012, at 21:06, "Adrian Bruce" <abruce@madasafish.com> wrote: > > A thread on the Message Board for Angus leads me to ask out of curiosity - > how many of your Scots families follow the classic Scots naming pattern? My > view has always been that you should use ancestry to deduce a naming > pattern, not a naming pattern to deduce ancestry. No harm in using it to > define priorities in a search, but it's not evidence. > > My personal experience has been that I'm 1/8th Scots (one G-grandfather from > Dundee) and _if_ that's a representative percentage, of the 751 families in > my database, 93 would be Scots. Well, I've seen just two of those families > follow a naming pattern. One was a family into which my relative married, so > the pattern was before they arrived. The other came from California - the > maternal grandfather was Scots, but they got the order of the first two > daughters wrong. So call it one-and-a-half families. > > As I said on the board, the pattern unquestionably exists in _some_ areas > and eras and I'd sort of got the idea that it would be stronger in the > Gaelic areas. However, a later post said that that something like half of > Forfarian's families on both coasts follow the pattern. > > So - have I just got a contrary bunch (from Dundee but also coming down from > Dunkeld)? In a completely unscientific survey - what's the feeling on how > many of your Scots families from wherever follow the pattern? > > Cheers > Adrian Bruce > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5996.3.2.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: research means looking to ALL records, not just Civil and church OPR, for B/M/D, census, tombstones, wills, land evaluation done every 10 years, guild and occupation records, military, education, doctor/physician, rental records, taxes, and the other religions. The Presyterian main branch of that church is at the GROS/SRO, cetralized in Edinburgh, and since that is the only place the LDS ever filmed, it's better to get every records you can, we must do an exhautive search, use your judgement as each must be evaluated,as we try to see if it is reliable, it maybe misspelled, so learn to use wildcards on Scotlandspeople.gov.uk (scots peeps) Try looking at the local newspaper clippings from Scotsmen newspaper websites. Wellgate (Dundee central public libray) for an obit, it may be one line, but if it says to copy in another village, it maybe where he was from. British newspapers, has a pay-to-play (commercial website) while I'm making assumptions about length and depth of knowledge, Iam doing a one name study of Powrie/Pourie/Purrie so felt I might give you an opinion on using naming pattern. write me offline, and while doing this you may ask anything. (30 years experience at doing a hobby in as professional method as taking online courses, using actual records even though we CAN use transcripts, transcription add another point for injecting human error. I "work" hard to keep my heritage alive. Removing doubt, with the help of my online family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.