Looking for relations of Catherine Hay Fairweather and Alexander McKenzie. Married at Glamis Angus on 2nd. December 1853.Are there any McKenzies or MacKenzies still living in Kerriemuir please. Thank you from Wendy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CLGAGREANEY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/6009/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seeking any next of kin information on John Jackson, Merchant Marine aboard the sailing ship Scottish Isles, ported at Liverpool. He apparently became ill while in route from Chittigong, Bangladesh, to Dundee, was discharged at Dundee in March of 1884 and died at the Royal Infirmary at Dundee in April of the same year. Regards, Patrick Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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Hi List, Ancestors of my wife include John KING & Jean INVERARITY(spelling varies) and I have been attempting to trace their desendants. They had one daughter, Helen, who may have married a William SMART in 1836. This couple is proving to be very hard to trace. There is a possible family at Dundee in 1841 showing a 13 yr old son William. By 1851 they have moved to Longforgan, Perth. Can anyone help ? There will be posts about the sons of John later. Cheers Jonathan in Toronto, Canada

_http://www.angus.gov.uk/history/features/people/patrickbell.htm_ (http://www.angus.gov.uk/history/features/people/patrickbell.htm) Rev. Patrick Bell 1801 - 1869 On the farm of the early 1800’s the scene at harvesting had changed little since the great days of Troy and Greece, 3000 years before. A line of men would walk across the field using sickles or scythes, rhythmically cutting down the ripe grain with great sweeps of the blades. Women followed in their tracks, bending all the time, picking up the cut stalks and tying them in bundles using some of the straw as twine. These sheaves would then be collected and grouped into stooks to let the grain dry properly. Once dried the workers had to load the sheaves onto horse drawn carts, which would take them back to the farm. These would be threshed that is the grain was separated from the straw. The grain was bagged and the straw was stacked. The work was hard, giving people callouses on their hands and sore muscles from bending and stretching all day. Although the farmer would take on extra labour, the work had to be done quickly so that the harvest would be cut and gathered in before any bad weather at the end of the summer. Reaping machines, to do the cutting of the crops, had been invented since the 1st Century A.D. but it was not until 1827 that the first effective reaping machine made its appearance. Patrick Bell of Auchterhouse, later to become minister at Carmyllie, had been brought up on his father’s farm. From an early age, he saw and joined in the very hard work at harvest time. Being interested in mechanics he tried, whilst still a student, to make harvesting slightly easier by using a horse powered machine. He managed to work out a rough plan and made a crude model of a reaping machine. This would not only stop some of the back breaking but would speed up the gathering of the crops, saving time, labour and money. His machine consisted of a frame, cutters and a piece of sloping canvas which would make the cut stalks go neatly to the side ready to be bound. By working in secrecy in his workshop and at the local smithy, he had aroused a great deal of local curiosity. He even tested his machine behind closed doors by planting already cut stalks of oats in his workshop floor, making them into man-made harvest. Believing he had perfected his machine in 1828, he wanted to test it on a real crop. He and his brother waited until a harvest night so no one would see them before they pushed his machine out to a ripe crop. When it worked perfectly, it was immediately put to effective use on his father's farm. Soon it was being manufactured locally and exhibited throughout Angus. Not until a few years after invention was Bell’s machine in demand by farmers all over the country. The change, which brought this about, was the emergence of new industries such as the railways and textile factories. Now the extra labour needed for harvesting was scarce and expensive so farmers welcomed the labour saving machine. Many reapers appeared after the success of Bell’s but the superiority of his machine was finally proved by a challenge race where the rival machines were matched against each other. Bell’s reaper completely dominated the event, leaving the international judges with no hesitation in declaring Bell’s machine to be “the best and most effective reaping machine” they had even seen. Its rivals were shown to be only poor and defective imitations of the original. Bell’s proved to be the first reaping machine, which was of real use to the farmer. Even in fairly recent times all reapers were based on his original machine, such was the perfection of his design. Although delighted by his invention’s success all over the world, Bell benefited little money wise. He decided not to patent his invention, that is, he did not record his ideas as his own so that he alone could benefit financially from their success. Bell did not receive any real reward for his work until forty years later when the Scottish Highland and Agricultural Society presented his with the handsome sum of £1,000. A silver salver given to him bore the understated inscription, “presented by a large number of his countrymen in token of their appreciation of his services as the inventor of an efficient reaping machine.” Bell did not pursue a mechanical career despite the great success of his reaping machine but chose to continue his training, eventually becoming a local minister. His invention had made the first real step towards easing the heavy load from the shoulders of agricultural workers around the world. Bell began a revolution in the agricultural system. His invention opened the way for others of equal importance. If the grain could be cut down by machine, they thought, why couldn’t other parts of farm work be done in this way? The mechanisation of agriculture begun by him continued slowly until, as today, all farms use machinery such as tractors, diggers, combine harvesters, binders and seed sowers. It could be said that Patrick Bell, a modest minister from Carmyllie, is the father of modern day farming. P.S. the 2 men who patented Bell's reaper began International Harvester. _http://www.windsorscottish.com/pl-inventors-pbell.php_ (http://www.windsorscottish.com/pl-inventors-pbell.php) Rev. Patrick Bell (1801-1869): Inventor & Church of Scotland Minister (http://www.windsorscottish.com/gallery/wms0036.jpg) Rev. Patrick Bell Born in a farming community in Auchterhouse, Angus, Bell studied to become a minister. However, he believed that he could help more people by easing the back-breaking labour of farm work. Bell was working on his father's farm in 1828 when he invented a machine to ease the labour of reaping. A public trial of the reaping machine on September 10th of that year at Powrie Farm proved it to be successful. Bell was awarded a £50 prize by the Highland Agricultural Society, and within a few years reaping machines were in demand from farmers all over the country. However, Bell's fortune never grew to be much greater than his prize money - his belief that all men should be able to benefit from his invention barred him from ever seeking a patent. Bell's spiritual quest came to fruition in 1843 when he was appointed to be the minister in Carmyllie parish. (http://www.windsorscottish.com/gallery/wms0037.jpg) Bell's Reaping Machine P.S. Adam Fergusson was a member of the Highland Society, and was the other co-owner of Fergus. He and James Webster bought 2,000 acres in Upper Canada, promised a church, school and mill, and moved 300 families en masse to Canada.(their tennants) both men imigrated too, leaving their barrister practices, as well as the Webster mansion and Adam's castle.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bell_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Bell) Rev Patrick Bell (12 May 1799 – 22 April 1869) was a _Church of Scotland_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland) _minister_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_(Christianity)) and _inventor_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventor) . Born in the rural parish of _Auchterhouse_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auchterhouse) in _Angus_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus) , _Scotland_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) , into a farming family, Bell chose to study divinity at the University of St Andrews. He was _Carmyllie_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmyllie) parish minister from 1843 until his death. thanks, got me curious, and I can get a little closer to the relationship. no MI in Carmyllie. married 1859 in Dundee, jessie b. 1860, John b. 1862, Janie b. 1865. Patrick b to George Bell and Margaret Lunan, had an older brother Alexander ch. 1794. Mary

Patrick Bell came to Fergus, Ontario in 1833-1835, with my great grandfather Robert Powrie/Pourie. I know the famous Bell reaper was first tried on the Powrie farm, although the pic. does not say where it was located, and the reaper made a big hit in Canada, even though patrick didn't stay long. Your dates are off a smug from the bio I have. He was born in Forfar, his son john died in 1924 and his daughter miss jessie Bell died in 1930. i'd be happy to send the bio and picture, and an original photo on some letters were given to the Guelph public library. patrick returned to scotland in 1837 with mr.james webster (Co-owner of Fergus settlement), and mentions a diary owned by the future Rev. Bell. In 1843 he became minister for the parish of Carmyllie, where he lived until his death 22nd April, 1869. original reaper held at Kensington museum, London. married late in life, miss jane lawson, three children, john, jessie and janie. it mentions a relative miss katherine scott of Toronto. The Fergus book by A.E. Byerly has the bio page 109-110, pic of Patrick and the reaper. I have better ones of SCRAN. _http://www.scran.ac.uk/_ (http://www.scran.ac.uk/) text with picture.... This is Reverend Patrick Bell who invented the first mechanical reaping machine in 1827. He did not patent his design as he believed it should 'go into the agricultural world free of any extra expense'. This illustration is taken from the 'Illustrated London News', published on March 7 1868. Patrick Bell's reaping machine was not immediately popular in Scotland. It did not work well on rough, undrained land. As Bell had not patented his design, many adapted his original ideas. Some went on to declare themselves the inventors of the machine. HTH Mary in Oregon (Mary Powrie Schacht) Patrick Bell (1799- 1867) is famous as the inventor of one type of reaper, a machine that would cut down grain with the use of rotating blades. Bell's reaper used horses to push the reaper rather than pull it. His inspiration for the idea of a reaper came from pair of garden shears he had seen stuck in a hedge. In 1827 he made a model to test his theory. When this worked he then made a full size reaper. The reaper was tried out in 1828 in an empty outhouse where it successfully cut straw as well as laying it to one side. The first outside trial, as described by Bell himself, was a scene of quiet drama: 'about 11 o'clock at night in a darkish autumn evening, when every man, woman and child were in their beds, the machine was quietly taken from its quarters, and the good horse Jock was yoked to it'. The reaper cut some wheat well, and was later exhibited at Powrie farm, near Dundee. Various smiths, millwrights and joiners were inspired to make copies. Bell's reaper went on to become famous. In a message dated 2/3/2013 11:35:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rmacwilliam@onetel.com writes: Hello Heather Sorry to say I don't have have an Ann among my JACKs, who moved from Longforgan to Dundee about the end of the 1700s. If I do find one I will let you know. Best wishes Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <caro@sasktel.net> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Rev Patrick Bell 1800-1869 > Hello Roger > > Would you by any chance have an Ann JACK lurking in your tree? I can > find no info on Ann Jack wife of John Ewan, having a son born about > 1802. This info comes from son John's death cert so not sure if it is > correct. > > Thanks for any help with this. > > Heather in Canada > > On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:42:44 -0000, Roger MacWilliam > <rmacwilliam@onetel.com> wrote: > Hi Sue >> >> I was interested to read your note on Rev Patrick BELL and his >> reaper. My gtgtgrandmother Margaret BUTCHART, wife of Henry >> JACK, Inspector of Poor in Dundee, had a brother George who farmed at >> Lumbenny, Fife, in the 1820s and 30s. The Gardener's >> Magazine, Vol VI, 1830, [Google Books] contains an illustrated >> account of Bell's reaper, which includes some users' reports. >> Among these is one signed George BUTCHART, Lumbenny; Robt BUTCHART, >> Broomblae, and James ROBERTSON, Reedylees, who were "joint >> proprietors" of a machine. These three farms are close to >> Auchtermuchty. George had been born in Auchterhouse in 1797, so was a >> neighbouring contemporary of the inventor in his youth. His parents >> were Alexander BUTCHART and Margaret BELL who married in Auchterhouse >> in 1793, she being a daughter of Alexander BELL and Isabel SMITH of >> Lundie and Fowlis. Among Margaret BELL's siblings was George, born >> 1765 in Lundie. Can you say if this George was father of Patrick? >> >> I have no proof that George B and Robt B were related, however George >> B's wife was Margaret ROBERTSON of Auchtermuchty. The "joint >> proprietors" may well have been a family group. >> >> Also, I have Dr Charles Smith LUNAN marrying Margaret E M SHAW of >> Glenshee in 1889. His father Robert was also a doctor, >> and both practised in Blairgowrie. Does this connect with your LUNANs? >> >> Best Wishes >> >> Roger >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hembury-Kellow" >> <finbar2008@sky.com> >> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Rev Patrick Bell 1800-1869 >> >> >> Hi Alastair, >> >> Yes, I've done quite a bit of info on Rev Patrick BELL. He was born 19 >> Apr >> 1799, Auchterhouse, Angus, son of George BELL and his wife Margaret >> LUNAN, >> who were married on 20 Jul 1793. (My own interest is really in the >> LUNANs - >> Patrick BELL's mother, Margaret LUNAN, was a sister of my 5G Grandmother, >> Christian LUNAN). >> >> Patrick BELL was one of eleven children. He married Jean/Jane LAWSON on 5 >> Oct 1859, Dundee, Angus, and they had three children. As well as being >> the >> Minister of Carmyllie, Angus, Patrick was also an inventor, and by 1828 >> had >> come up with the first automatic reaping machine, the Bell's Reaper. >> Eventually, it helped to change the face of farming, and 40 years on, >> Patrick was presented with the handsome sum of £1,000 and a silver salver >> by >> the Scottish Highland and Agricultural Society. Patrick BELL died in >> 1869. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Sue >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of alibell@tiscali.co.uk >> Sent: 28 January 2013 22:15 >> > >> > >> > >> Alistair Bell. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-requ est@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Heather Sorry to say I don't have have an Ann among my JACKs, who moved from Longforgan to Dundee about the end of the 1700s. If I do find one I will let you know. Best wishes Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: <caro@sasktel.net> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Rev Patrick Bell 1800-1869 > Hello Roger > > Would you by any chance have an Ann JACK lurking in your tree? I can > find no info on Ann Jack wife of John Ewan, having a son born about > 1802. This info comes from son John's death cert so not sure if it is > correct. > > Thanks for any help with this. > > Heather in Canada > > On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:42:44 -0000, Roger MacWilliam > <rmacwilliam@onetel.com> wrote: > Hi Sue >> >> I was interested to read your note on Rev Patrick BELL and his >> reaper. My gtgtgrandmother Margaret BUTCHART, wife of Henry >> JACK, Inspector of Poor in Dundee, had a brother George who farmed at >> Lumbenny, Fife, in the 1820s and 30s. The Gardener's >> Magazine, Vol VI, 1830, [Google Books] contains an illustrated >> account of Bell's reaper, which includes some users' reports. >> Among these is one signed George BUTCHART, Lumbenny; Robt BUTCHART, >> Broomblae, and James ROBERTSON, Reedylees, who were "joint >> proprietors" of a machine. These three farms are close to >> Auchtermuchty. George had been born in Auchterhouse in 1797, so was a >> neighbouring contemporary of the inventor in his youth. His parents >> were Alexander BUTCHART and Margaret BELL who married in Auchterhouse >> in 1793, she being a daughter of Alexander BELL and Isabel SMITH of >> Lundie and Fowlis. Among Margaret BELL's siblings was George, born >> 1765 in Lundie. Can you say if this George was father of Patrick? >> >> I have no proof that George B and Robt B were related, however George >> B's wife was Margaret ROBERTSON of Auchtermuchty. The "joint >> proprietors" may well have been a family group. >> >> Also, I have Dr Charles Smith LUNAN marrying Margaret E M SHAW of >> Glenshee in 1889. His father Robert was also a doctor, >> and both practised in Blairgowrie. Does this connect with your LUNANs? >> >> Best Wishes >> >> Roger >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hembury-Kellow" >> <finbar2008@sky.com> >> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Rev Patrick Bell 1800-1869 >> >> >> Hi Alastair, >> >> Yes, I've done quite a bit of info on Rev Patrick BELL. He was born 19 >> Apr >> 1799, Auchterhouse, Angus, son of George BELL and his wife Margaret >> LUNAN, >> who were married on 20 Jul 1793. (My own interest is really in the >> LUNANs - >> Patrick BELL's mother, Margaret LUNAN, was a sister of my 5G Grandmother, >> Christian LUNAN). >> >> Patrick BELL was one of eleven children. He married Jean/Jane LAWSON on 5 >> Oct 1859, Dundee, Angus, and they had three children. As well as being >> the >> Minister of Carmyllie, Angus, Patrick was also an inventor, and by 1828 >> had >> come up with the first automatic reaping machine, the Bell's Reaper. >> Eventually, it helped to change the face of farming, and 40 years on, >> Patrick was presented with the handsome sum of £1,000 and a silver salver >> by >> the Scottish Highland and Agricultural Society. Patrick BELL died in >> 1869. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Sue >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of alibell@tiscali.co.uk >> Sent: 28 January 2013 22:15 >> > >> > >> > >> Alistair Bell. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jimeaston2000 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/260.1.1.1.2.3.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I remember John "Pud" Aimer. My parents, brother & sisters used to stay with him and his second wife during our summer holidays. "Pud" was a distant relative by marriage to my father. In those days, "Pud" and his wife "Joe" (Joan) lived in Dudhope Park, where "Pud" was greenkeeper. "Pud" died on 19th November, 1956, following the amputation of one of his legs. Having been a footballer, he said that he wanted the ashes of his leg to be scattered on Dens Park. He was a delightful man - as a small boy, I remember him improvising songs that he would sing to me. I hope that this is of interest to you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jimeaston2000 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/260.1.1.1.2.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I remember John "Pud" Aimer. My parents, brother & sisters used to stay with him and his second wife during our summer holidays. "Pud" was a distant relative by marriage to my father. In those days, "Pud" and his wife "Joe" (Joan) lived in Dudhope Park, where "Pud" was greenkeeper. "Pud" died on 19th November, 1956, following the amputation of one of his legs. Having been a footballer, he said that he wanted the ashes of his leg to be scattered on Dens Park. He was a delightful man - as a small boy, I remember him improvising songs that he would sing to me. I hope that this is of interest to you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CLGAGREANEY Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/6008.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I should have mentioned in the original post that I have them in the '61 census. I've explored every source I know of to establish a relationship with the Anderson's and found none. As far as Alexander goes, who knows what became of him after the '61 census. I found George again in '89 when he married at Dunfermline and, until he died in 1941 at Glasgow. Their aleged father, John Jackson, being a merchant seaman it's hard to say where in the world he might have been. Where ever it was it was not identifiably in Scotland. Thank you for your reply. Regards, Patrick Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dear Angus folks, I am forwarding my posting that I made to Fife rootsweb, as I hope the topic is general...related to "Place" terminology. Hope you can help, thanks Liz of BC Canada > dear folks, I have been searching thru OPR Baptisms for Forgan, as > transcribed on Newport, Wormit & Forgan archives. > > There are some descriptions of the "Places" that the parents lived in > Forgan Parish that I need help with [terminology]: > for example..."ground"...or "Newtounground" or "Harlawshiels > ground"...what does "ground" mean and how is that different from just > "Newtoun"? Also, saw "St Fort ground". Cottoun" I understand as > cottages for cottars? > > and I did find numerous references to "Harlawsheils" with various > spellings, from 1704 thru to 1748 then more infrequently until it > disappeared about 1770.. A strange change happened tho..."my" David > Walker, father of 7 children baptised Forgan 1704 thru 1718, was > described as "OF" Harlashiels...and a "Heritor' but in 1720 he was > described as "IN" Harlowshiels". Then, after 1720, the next reference > to Harlawshiels was for 1726 baptism, and the father "IN" Harlawshiels > and this description continued until 1748. From 1726 on, the > surnames were not Walker. > > I had understood that being "OF" a place might mean some ownership > versus being "IN" a place meant tenancy or less. > > I would be interested in someone's expertise of there terms. thanks > Liz of Canada >

Hi Sue I was interested to read your note on Rev Patrick BELL and his reaper. My gtgtgrandmother Margaret BUTCHART, wife of Henry JACK, Inspector of Poor in Dundee, had a brother George who farmed at Lumbenny, Fife, in the 1820s and 30s. The Gardener's Magazine, Vol VI, 1830, [Google Books] contains an illustrated account of Bell's reaper, which includes some users' reports. Among these is one signed George BUTCHART, Lumbenny; Robt BUTCHART, Broomblae, and James ROBERTSON, Reedylees, who were "joint proprietors" of a machine. These three farms are close to Auchtermuchty. George had been born in Auchterhouse in 1797, so was a neighbouring contemporary of the inventor in his youth. His parents were Alexander BUTCHART and Margaret BELL who married in Auchterhouse in 1793, she being a daughter of Alexander BELL and Isabel SMITH of Lundie and Fowlis. Among Margaret BELL's siblings was George, born 1765 in Lundie. Can you say if this George was father of Patrick? I have no proof that George B and Robt B were related, however George B's wife was Margaret ROBERTSON of Auchtermuchty. The "joint proprietors" may well have been a family group. Also, I have Dr Charles Smith LUNAN marrying Margaret E M SHAW of Glenshee in 1889. His father Robert was also a doctor, and both practised in Blairgowrie. Does this connect with your LUNANs? Best Wishes Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hembury-Kellow" <finbar2008@sky.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Rev Patrick Bell 1800-1869 Hi Alastair, Yes, I've done quite a bit of info on Rev Patrick BELL. He was born 19 Apr 1799, Auchterhouse, Angus, son of George BELL and his wife Margaret LUNAN, who were married on 20 Jul 1793. (My own interest is really in the LUNANs - Patrick BELL's mother, Margaret LUNAN, was a sister of my 5G Grandmother, Christian LUNAN). Patrick BELL was one of eleven children. He married Jean/Jane LAWSON on 5 Oct 1859, Dundee, Angus, and they had three children. As well as being the Minister of Carmyllie, Angus, Patrick was also an inventor, and by 1828 had come up with the first automatic reaping machine, the Bell's Reaper. Eventually, it helped to change the face of farming, and 40 years on, Patrick was presented with the handsome sum of £1,000 and a silver salver by the Scottish Highland and Agricultural Society. Patrick BELL died in 1869. Hope this helps! Best wishes, Sue -----Original Message----- From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alibell@tiscali.co.uk Sent: 28 January 2013 22:15 > > > Alistair Bell. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone sent this to me yesterday and I thought I would pass it on http://sites.google.com/site/freescottishancestry/ If you are in the Aberdeen group you may have already see this email. Mollie

Hello Roger   Would you by any chance have an Ann JACK lurking in your tree? I can find no info on Ann Jack wife of John Ewan, having a son born about 1802. This info comes from son John's death cert so not sure if it is correct.   Thanks for any help with this.   Heather in Canada On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 09:42:44 -0000, Roger MacWilliam <rmacwilliam@onetel.com> wrote: Hi Sue > > I was interested to read your note on Rev Patrick BELL and his > reaper. My gtgtgrandmother Margaret BUTCHART, wife of Henry > JACK, Inspector of Poor in Dundee, had a brother George who farmed at > Lumbenny, Fife, in the 1820s and 30s. The Gardener's > Magazine, Vol VI, 1830, [Google Books] contains an illustrated > account of Bell's reaper, which includes some users' reports. > Among these is one signed George BUTCHART, Lumbenny; Robt BUTCHART, > Broomblae, and James ROBERTSON, Reedylees, who were "joint > proprietors" of a machine. These three farms are close to > Auchtermuchty. George had been born in Auchterhouse in 1797, so was a > neighbouring contemporary of the inventor in his youth. His parents > were Alexander BUTCHART and Margaret BELL who married in Auchterhouse > in 1793, she being a daughter of Alexander BELL and Isabel SMITH of > Lundie and Fowlis. Among Margaret BELL's siblings was George, born > 1765 in Lundie. Can you say if this George was father of Patrick? > > I have no proof that George B and Robt B were related, however George > B's wife was Margaret ROBERTSON of Auchtermuchty. The "joint > proprietors" may well have been a family group. > > Also, I have Dr Charles Smith LUNAN marrying Margaret E M SHAW of > Glenshee in 1889. His father Robert was also a doctor, > and both practised in Blairgowrie. Does this connect with your LUNANs? > > Best Wishes > > Roger > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hembury-Kellow" <finbar2008@sky.com> > To: <angus@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Rev Patrick Bell 1800-1869 > > > Hi Alastair, > > Yes, I've done quite a bit of info on Rev Patrick BELL. He was born 19 Apr > 1799, Auchterhouse, Angus, son of George BELL and his wife Margaret LUNAN, > who were married on 20 Jul 1793. (My own interest is really in the LUNANs - > Patrick BELL's mother, Margaret LUNAN, was a sister of my 5G Grandmother, > Christian LUNAN). > > Patrick BELL was one of eleven children. He married Jean/Jane LAWSON on 5 > Oct 1859, Dundee, Angus, and they had three children. As well as being the > Minister of Carmyllie, Angus, Patrick was also an inventor, and by 1828 had > come up with the first automatic reaping machine, the Bell's Reaper. > Eventually, it helped to change the face of farming, and 40 years on, > Patrick was presented with the handsome sum of £1,000 and a silver salver by > the Scottish Highland and Agricultural Society. Patrick BELL died in 1869. > > Hope this helps! > > Best wishes, > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of alibell@tiscali.co.uk > Sent: 28 January 2013 22:15 > > > > > > > Alistair Bell. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/6008.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From Ancestry 1861 Scotland Census about John Anderson Name: John Anderson Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Jean Anderson Gender: Male Where born: Crathie, Aberdeenshire Registration number: 183 Registration district: Crathie and Braemar Civil parish: Crathie and Braemar County: Aberdeenshire Address: 4 Cairnchurien Occupation: Wooh Weaver & Lodl Men ED: 3 Household schedule number: 29 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_27 Household Members: Name Age John Anderson 68 Jean Anderson 65 weavers wife Where born: Crathie, Aberdeenshire Alexander Jackson boarder 9 pauper scholar Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire George Jackson boarder 6 pauper scholar Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Source Citation: Parish: Crathie and Braemar; ED: 3; Page: 5; Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1861_27. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farfarloon Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/6008.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My first thought is to look at the 1861 census. I can't think of a free site off hand but you caouls invest in a few (minimum 30) credits at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk . You should search for either or both Alexander and George, ages by then 8 and 6. In case there is any doubt as to the ages you could use dates of birth, I usually allow a year or two either way in case of error in my first search. This costs one credit each to see the shortlist. Careful selection ... like exact age and living in Dundee ... might get the right persons in one go. This should give you the household in which one or both brothers are living. It would not surprise me if this was the household of the mother's family (Ferguson) or maybe the father's (Jackson). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MicheleMorgan66 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/6006.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. Was Frances an older sibling to James and Alexander? Where are you viewing the records? Is it somewhere not available on Ancestry.com? Thanks again for your help! Michele Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.