Hi This may be why you can not find them you have to look at all spellings Hope all this helps ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1901 Scotland Census about Charles Lauson Name: Charles Lauson Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Stone Mason ED: 43 Household schedule number: 110 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1901_102 Household Members: Name Age Charles Lauson 52 Mary Ann Taylor Lauson 50 Agnes C Lauson 22 Alexr T Lauson 20 Bella C Lauson 18 Mary K Lauson 16 Charles Lauson 14 David H Lauson 12 Douglas Lauson 7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : Charles Lauson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Agnes C Lauson Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Charles Lauson Mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Factory Worker ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Alexr T Lauson Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lauson Mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Apprentice Innmonlder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Bella C Lauson Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Charles Lauson Mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Factory Worker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary K Lauson Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Charles Lauson Mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Factory Worker ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Charles Lauson Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lauson Mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Apprentice Hairdresser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: David H Lauson Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lauson Mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Jute Mill Worker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Douglas Lauson Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lauson Mother's name: Mary Ann Taylor Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 4 Clepington St Occupation: Scholar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1891 Scotland Census about Charles Lawson Name: Charles Lawson Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Mason ED: 22 Household schedule number: 78 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1891_94 Household Members: Name Age Charles Lawson 42 Mary Lawson 41 James Lawson 18 William Lawson 16 Elixth Lawson 14 Ann Lawson 12 Alexr Lawson 11 Bella Lawson 8 Mary Lawson 6 Charles Lawson 3 David Lawson 1 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary Lawson Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : Charles Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire -------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: James Lawson Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Iron Moulder (App) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: William Lawson Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Leather Cutter (App) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Elixth Lawson Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Linen Weaver ------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Ann Lawson Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Mill Worker Half Time ------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Alexr Lawson Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Mill Worker Half Time ED: 22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Bella Lawson Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Scholar --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary Lawson Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 31 Lyon Street Occupation: Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Charles Lawson Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: David Lawson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1881 Scotland Census about Charles Lawson Name: Charles Lawson Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Ann Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 23 Catherine Street Occupation: Stone-Mason ED: 22A Household schedule number: 329 Line: 15 Roll: cssct1881_87 Household Members: Name Age Charles Lawson 33 Mary Ann Lawson 31 James Lawson 8 William Lawson 6 Lizzie Lawson 4 Agnes Lawson 2 Alexander Lawson 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary Ann Lawson Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : Charles Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: James Lawson Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Ann Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 23 Catherine Street Occupation: Scholar ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: William Lawson Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Ann Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 282/4 Registration district: St Andrew Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: 23 Catherine Street Occupation: Scholar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Lizzie Lawson Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Ann Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Agnes Lawson Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Ann Lawson Gender: Female Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Alexander Lawson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Charles Lawson Mother's name: Mary Ann Lawson Gender: Male Where born: Dundee, Forfarshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This could be Charles 1871 Census with Brother & Sister 1871 Scotland Census about Eliza Lawson Name: Eliza Lawson Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Sister-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Carrongllie, forfarsh Registration number: 310 Registration district: Monifieth Civil parish: Monifieth County: Angus Address: Castle Street ED: 5 Household schedule number: 41 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1871_57 Household Members: Name Age David Lawson 21 Cathe Lawson 23 Christina Lawson 2 James Lawson 1 Cathr Lawson 3 Mo Chas Lawson 22 Eliza Lawson 21 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1871 Scotland Census about Mary Ann Taylor Name: Mary Ann Taylor Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Daughter Mother's name: Isabella Taylor Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 288 Registration district: Forfar Civil parish: Forfar Town: Forfar County: Angus Address: 14 Watt Street Occupation: Factory Worker ED: 11 Household schedule number: 90 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1871_55 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Taylor 42 Mary Ann Taylor 21 Isabella Taylor 13 Mary Lawson 7 Mths ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Isabella Taylor Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 288 Registration district: Forfar Civil parish: Forfar Town: Forfar County: Angus Address: 14 Watt Street Occupation: Winder ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Isabella Taylor Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Daughter Mother's name: Isabella Taylor Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 288 Registration district: Forfar Civil parish: Forfar Town: Forfar County: Angus Address: 14 Watt Street Occupation: Factory Worker --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary Lawson Age: 7 Mths Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relationship: Great Grandchild (Grandchild) Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1861 Scotland Census about Charles Lawson Name: Charles Lawson Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relationship: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 299 Registration district: Kirriemuir Civil parish: Kirriemuir County: Angus Address: Balnagarrow Farm House Occupation: Ag Lab --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1861 Scotland Census about John Taylor Name: John Taylor Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Isabella Gibson Gender: Male Where born: Dunnichen, Forfarshire Registration number: 288 Registration district: Forfar Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: 19 South St Occupation: Linen Handloom Weaver ED: 2 Household schedule number: 28 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1861_42 Household Members: Name Age John Taylor 35 Isabella Gibson 32 Mary Ann Taylor 11 Isabella Taylor 3 Alexander Taylor 8 Mo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Isabella Gibson Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John Taylor Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 288 Registration district: Forfar Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: 19 South St Occupation: Linen Winder ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary Ann Taylor Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: John Taylor Mother's name: Isabella Gibson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Registration number: 288 Registration district: Forfar Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: 19 South St Occupation: Scholar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Isabella Taylor Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: John Taylor Mother's name: Isabella Gibson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Alexander Taylor Age: 8 Mo Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship: Son Father's Name: John Taylor Mother's name: Isabella Gibson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1851 Scotland Census about James Lauson Name: James Lauson Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Airlie, Forfarshire Parish Number: 288 Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: Tornshaven Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver (linen ED: 2 Page: 16 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 85 Line: 18 Roll: CSSCT1851_64 Household Members: Name Age James Lauson 23 Elizabeth Lauson 26 Charles Lauson 3 William Lauson 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Elizabeth Lauson Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relationship: Wife Spouse's Name: James Lauson Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Parish Number: 288 Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: Tornshaven Occupation: Winder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Charles Lauson Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relationship: Son Father's Name: James Lauson Mother's name: Elizabeth Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Parish Number: 288 Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: Tornshaven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: William Lauson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Son Father's Name: James Lauson Mother's name: Elizabeth Lauson Gender: Male Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Parish Number: 288 Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: Tornshaven ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1851 Scotland Census about Mary Ann Taylor Name: Mary Ann Taylor Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: John Taylor Mother's name: Isabel Taylor Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Parish Number: 288 Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: Providence Row ED: 24 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 19 Line: 20 Roll: CSSCT1851_64 Household Members: Name Age John Taylor 24 Isabel Taylor 21 Mary Ann Taylor 1 Isabel Dakers 60 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Isabel Taylor [Isabel Dakers] Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relationship: Wife Spouse's Name: John Taylor Mother's name: Isabel Dakers Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: John Taylor Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Isabel Taylor Gender: Male Where born: Dunnichen, Forfarshire Parish Number: 288 Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: Providence Row Occupation: Handloom Weaver (linen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Isabel Dakers Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Relationship: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire Parish Number: 288 Civil parish: Forfar County: Angus Address: Providence Row Occupation: Yarn Winder ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918 about Charles Lawson Name: Charles Lawson Residence: W Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Birth Date: 29 Apr 1887 Birth Location: Dundee, Forfarshire, Scotland Relative: Charles Lawson Sr Relationship: Father Regiment Number: 2024102 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michigan Passenger and Crew Lists, 1903-1965 about Bella Lawson Name: Bella Lawson Arrival Date: Sep 1906 Port of Arrival: Port Huron, Michigan Ship Name: Cecilia Last Resided: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Age: 22 Birth Date: abt 1884 Birth Location: Scot, Dundee Gender: Female Nationality: Canada Record Type: Card -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 03/03/2013 23:52, Gavin wrote: I was aware of the (miraculous) survival of the 1696 Poll Tax returns for Aberdeenshire, but knew nothing of other remnants. Could you give us an outline of what exists? ---- D.J.Steel's "Sources for Scottish Genealogy and Family History" (Soc. of Genelogists, 1970, etc.) has a list of these on pp171-174. Regards, Gordon Johnson.

You are most welcome As you no doubt know Ancestry have the transcripts for 1841 to 1901 census of Scotland but not the 1911 unfortunately If they are of the right age its probably worth checking Ancestry for WW1 records for them as well Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2013 23:45, Sandy Lovell wrote: > > Thank you Nivard! I'll check out that website! I do have ancestry.com and have been diligently looking through it!! > > Sandy

Hi Sandy First port of call would be the 1911 census to be found on scotlandspeople Also check for life events, marriages etc Wills Valuation rolls Directories http://www.nls.uk/family-history Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2013 22:41, Sandy Lovell wrote: > > Hello, > > Since I am kind of new to researching Scotland ancestry, are there any tips for finding family in Scotland after 1901 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland? I am looking for three brothers - > > Charles Lawson and wife Mary Ann Taylor and children - James, William, Elizabeth, Agnes, Alexander, Bella, Mary, Charles, David and Douglas > > William Lawson and wife Mary Keir and children - Margaret, Alfred, William and Agnes > > James Lawson and wife Jane Unknown and their child Jane. > > All are living in Dundee Scotland in the 1901 census and mail postcards and pictures here to the United States from there. I would love to know if they stayed in Dundee or emigrated to the USA or Canada. > > Thanks for any tips on this! Sincerely appreciated! Sandy Lovell

Canada and the U.S. work with a Genweb hark. A Genweb for each province and state, then one each for county, and perhaps one per township. I realize that like chasing parked cars, finding the parking lot is first order of business. _http://usgenweb.org/_ (http://usgenweb.org/) US genweb. _http://www.canadagenweb.org/_ (http://www.canadagenweb.org/) canadian gen web. In Canada, first stop is the National archive of Canada. _http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html_ (http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html) search ancestors by surname. Don't count on year of arrival on 1911 census without collaborating documents. My Gg father came 1833-35 and that census states 1852... 26 Charles Lawson buried in Ontario. _http://ocfa.islandnet.com/_ (http://ocfa.islandnet.com/) Ontario cemetery finder has 3 million graves online, searchable by surname, location. there are 13 Mary Ann, and while it often lists maiden, I don't see any. printing them out, like I did after searching every province after 15 years, for my grandfather. I found one Powrie next to a Mcphail, and found my gg parents burial!! _http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/search.htm_ (http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/search.htm) Each province has at least one Historical atlas, it lists early pioneers in the front, and maps in the back. McGill University has a search engine by area and surname. They were sold by subscriptions, so they listed only who paid to get into a book. _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onwellin/_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onwellin/) look on the Genweb site for Wellington County, under pioneers to see what a bio is like. that book has large photos and signatures of "worthies". My rellies couldn't afford to be put in the book, but after finding the nearest town, I located a book on the village which listed my family. _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onwellin/pioneers/1pioneers.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onwellin/pioneers/1pioneers.htm) You all know my belief that we should share with others, honouring the attitude of our ancestor's would do anything for their neighbors. I downloaded the bios for Wellington county, and was rewarded by the website and board,allowing me to post my family at the bottom, so I got to add them to the book after 100 years after it was published. Most atlas are from 1879-1901 era. I'd suggest doing a parent search always on the LDS website familysearch.org. Hit parents and enter for all children of a couple, father's full name, and mother's first name is required, if you don't know maiden, full name is better.... Will bring up census, pedigree files, ancestry files, which can be a great help. I use it to find all christening/birth dates for kids in Scotland, but I always go to the GROS, to check every record. The GROS has added the 1905 land evaluations for Scotland to the first ones added, 1915. _http://www.addall.com/_ (http://www.addall.com/) check books available, I check rare,out of print books by keyword like Fergus, Ontario or Alyth, angus or surname. I've found the odd book with a Powrie listed within the content. I also check Ebay and Ebay UK. I know it sounds strange but I found an antique golf club made by a golf profesional around 1901, for a Coltart married to a Powrie, and a 1905 book on advances in film, had an article and photo for a John Powrie who once worked with Edison. As is my practice, I make a copy for myself, and the original goes to the family. I was honored to give the 1905 book to his great grand daughter at a reunion for that branch in Montana. Passing along my results and my kinds is the best part of research. Getting the WWI "dead man's penny and medals" remains my greatest honor. I've returned a WWI memorial I found on Ebay, which belonged to the English village. Happily the seller charged me only postage, but I believe in Karma, and I'll go see it, in England if I get back. But just seeing it in a photo in it's new home....in the library, makes me feel good. Life is great if you help others and take time to make new friends! Mary in Oregon Searching add-all bookshop inventory by Fergus, Ontario or Wellington, Ontario In a message dated 3/3/2013 3:13:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fullerton@comcast.net writes: If they came to the US, they would show up in subsequent census records - unlike the UK, we have released those records through 1940 (I think many of these can be found online at non-commercial sites.) Canadian census records are, I believe, available for 1911, with some prairie provinces available for off-year censuses as well. On 3/3/2013 5:41 PM, Sandy Lovell wrote: > Hello, > > Since I am kind of new to researching Scotland ancestry, are there any tips for finding family in Scotland after 1901 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland? I am looking for three brothers - > > Charles Lawson and wife Mary Ann Taylor and children - James, William, Elizabeth, Agnes, Alexander, Bella, Mary, Charles, David and Douglas > > William Lawson and wife Mary Keir and children - Margaret, Alfred, William and Agnes > > James Lawson and wife Jane Unknown and their child Jane. > > All are living in Dundee Scotland in the 1901 census and mail postcards and pictures here to the United States from there. I would love to know if they stayed in Dundee or emigrated to the USA or Canada. > > Thanks for any tips on this! Sincerely appreciated! Sandy Lovell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Nivard! I'll check out that website! I do have ancestry.com and have been diligently looking through it!! Sandy -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: angus <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [ANGUS] How to trace relatives after the 1901 census Hi Sandy First port of call would be the 1911 census to be found on scotlandspeople Also check for life events, marriages etc Wills Valuation rolls Directories http://www.nls.uk/family-history Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/03/2013 22:41, Sandy Lovell wrote: > > Hello, > > Since I am kind of new to researching Scotland ancestry, are there any tips for finding family in Scotland after 1901 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland? I am looking for three brothers - > > Charles Lawson and wife Mary Ann Taylor and children - James, William, Elizabeth, Agnes, Alexander, Bella, Mary, Charles, David and Douglas > > William Lawson and wife Mary Keir and children - Margaret, Alfred, William and Agnes > > James Lawson and wife Jane Unknown and their child Jane. > > All are living in Dundee Scotland in the 1901 census and mail postcards and pictures here to the United States from there. I would love to know if they stayed in Dundee or emigrated to the USA or Canada. > > Thanks for any tips on this! Sincerely appreciated! Sandy Lovell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If they came to the US, they would show up in subsequent census records - unlike the UK, we have released those records through 1940 (I think many of these can be found online at non-commercial sites.) Canadian census records are, I believe, available for 1911, with some prairie provinces available for off-year censuses as well. On 3/3/2013 5:41 PM, Sandy Lovell wrote: > Hello, > > Since I am kind of new to researching Scotland ancestry, are there any tips for finding family in Scotland after 1901 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland? I am looking for three brothers - > > Charles Lawson and wife Mary Ann Taylor and children - James, William, Elizabeth, Agnes, Alexander, Bella, Mary, Charles, David and Douglas > > William Lawson and wife Mary Keir and children - Margaret, Alfred, William and Agnes > > James Lawson and wife Jane Unknown and their child Jane. > > All are living in Dundee Scotland in the 1901 census and mail postcards and pictures here to the United States from there. I would love to know if they stayed in Dundee or emigrated to the USA or Canada. > > Thanks for any tips on this! Sincerely appreciated! Sandy Lovell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Since I am kind of new to researching Scotland ancestry, are there any tips for finding family in Scotland after 1901 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland? I am looking for three brothers - Charles Lawson and wife Mary Ann Taylor and children - James, William, Elizabeth, Agnes, Alexander, Bella, Mary, Charles, David and Douglas William Lawson and wife Mary Keir and children - Margaret, Alfred, William and Agnes James Lawson and wife Jane Unknown and their child Jane. All are living in Dundee Scotland in the 1901 census and mail postcards and pictures here to the United States from there. I would love to know if they stayed in Dundee or emigrated to the USA or Canada. Thanks for any tips on this! Sincerely appreciated! Sandy Lovell

Have you looked at the tax records? There's partial survival of the Poll tax between 1693 and 1699 under catalogue E70, for example. It's slightly before your guy's likely birth, but you may locate possible couples and/or siblings if you're lucky. Another possibility is testaments, but they're on Scotlands People now. My favourite source with questions like this is the NAS handbook. I've just treated myself to a new copy as the old one is falling apart. "Tracing your Scottish Ancestors. The Official Guide" by Tristram Clarke ISBN978-1-78027-022-7. I got it from amazon.co.uk. Lesley Robertson > -----Original Message----- > From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wallace Fullerton > Sent: 28 February 2013 5:14 PM > To: Angus Roots Web > Subject: [ANGUS] Research in Scotland - NAS and elsewhere > > I will be visiting Scotland in June and will have some > unscheduled time to locate records that might help take back > my family research a bit further than I've been able to > accomplish from the U.S. in the several decades I've spent > searching books and microfilm (pre-Internet) and > online resources. I would like to ask this forum for > suggestions. As > most of you know, an increasing amount is available through > online resources (familysearch.org, ancestry.com, > Scotlandspeople, etc.) but its not all there yet. > > While several of the experienced researchers have mentioned > some of their sources in recent days in response to other > queries, I am hoping there might be resources available only > in Scotland that might be useful. So that you don't head in > unproductive directions, here are some of the specifics of my > search to date: > > My 4G-grandparents were George Fullerton and Margaret Pirie, married > 1739 with banns called in Dun and Dunnichen parishes. George > held the tenancy at the Mains of Dun (part of the Erskine > estate near Montrose) from about 1739 through 1757, and all > of their ten children were christened in Dun. About 1757 he > relocated his family to a tenancy near > Benholm, Kincardine. His grave marker at Benholm, placed by a son > about 20 years after his death, suggests he was born in 1707 but > provides no other useful information. The only George > Fullerton I have > found in the OPRs (for any parish in Scotland) for that year > was born in Lunan Parish, the son of a blacksmith but I've > found nothing else > suggesting the two are the same George. Similarly, there > was a young > Fullerton family in Dunnichen about 1700, a John Fullerton in > Glenskinno (near Dun) about the same time, and a Fullerton > family who owned the nearby Kinnaber estate (Quakers, > however.) Some descendents have "claimed" these and others > as "our" family but based solely on the > circumstance of proximity. The Pirie family seems equally > difficult to > find. > > All that said, it was my hope that records from the Erskine > estate (the House of Dun, now a National Trust property) held > by the NAS would provide a clue - there are something like 8 > linear meters of such records which had not been cataloged > when I was previously in Scotland. > Apparently the cataloging has occurred in recent years and, > to my dismay, the online database suggests that NAS has > little to assist me. > While I intend to look through the estate records that might > be promising, I am now trying to identify other resources > available only in Scotland. > > If any of you have suggestions, they would be greatly > appreciated. I have no particular constraints on my travel or > time while there but hope to focus on the most promising > areas. I am fairly experienced and have no difficulty > straining my eyesight on old documents. > > Thanks in advance for your ideas! > > Wallace Fullerton > Kensington, MD > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 03/03/2013 12:26, Lesley Robertson wrote: > Have you looked at the tax records? There's partial survival of the Poll tax > between 1693 and 1699 under catalogue E70, for example. It's slightly before > your guy's likely birth, but you may locate possible couples and/or siblings > if you're lucky. I was aware of the (miraculous) survival of the 1696 Poll Tax returns for Aberdeenshire, but knew nothing of other remnants. Could you give us an outline of what exists? Gavin Bell

I will be visiting Scotland in June and will have some unscheduled time to locate records that might help take back my family research a bit further than I've been able to accomplish from the U.S. in the several decades I've spent searching books and microfilm (pre-Internet) and online resources. I would like to ask this forum for suggestions. As most of you know, an increasing amount is available through online resources (familysearch.org, ancestry.com, Scotlandspeople, etc.) but its not all there yet. While several of the experienced researchers have mentioned some of their sources in recent days in response to other queries, I am hoping there might be resources available only in Scotland that might be useful. So that you don't head in unproductive directions, here are some of the specifics of my search to date: My 4G-grandparents were George Fullerton and Margaret Pirie, married 1739 with banns called in Dun and Dunnichen parishes. George held the tenancy at the Mains of Dun (part of the Erskine estate near Montrose) from about 1739 through 1757, and all of their ten children were christened in Dun. About 1757 he relocated his family to a tenancy near Benholm, Kincardine. His grave marker at Benholm, placed by a son about 20 years after his death, suggests he was born in 1707 but provides no other useful information. The only George Fullerton I have found in the OPRs (for any parish in Scotland) for that year was born in Lunan Parish, the son of a blacksmith but I've found nothing else suggesting the two are the same George. Similarly, there was a young Fullerton family in Dunnichen about 1700, a John Fullerton in Glenskinno (near Dun) about the same time, and a Fullerton family who owned the nearby Kinnaber estate (Quakers, however.) Some descendents have "claimed" these and others as "our" family but based solely on the circumstance of proximity. The Pirie family seems equally difficult to find. All that said, it was my hope that records from the Erskine estate (the House of Dun, now a National Trust property) held by the NAS would provide a clue - there are something like 8 linear meters of such records which had not been cataloged when I was previously in Scotland. Apparently the cataloging has occurred in recent years and, to my dismay, the online database suggests that NAS has little to assist me. While I intend to look through the estate records that might be promising, I am now trying to identify other resources available only in Scotland. If any of you have suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated. I have no particular constraints on my travel or time while there but hope to focus on the most promising areas. I am fairly experienced and have no difficulty straining my eyesight on old documents. Thanks in advance for your ideas! Wallace Fullerton Kensington, MD

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hi from Oregon, Sue and Roger Did you see my postings on Rev.Bell? I have a bio and 2 pics. my ggf who came to Canada, with Rev. Bell before he became a minister. My Robert is related to both Margaret Robertson (his Mum) and a Jean Powrie who married Alex. Butchart. My Robert's brother James lived in Lundie. I have a picture of the relatives attendant at the Reaper's debut.... it's not labelled as to individuals but still interesting. Robert's sister Janet Powrie married Dr.Robbie Robertson, the doctor in Errol. My info came from a book written about the village they settled in Fergus centennial, and mentions an original photo of Patrick and his journal. I'm still trying to locate the journal of Patrick Bell, do either of you know where it is currently? Mary in Oregon (Mary Powrie Schacht) Blairgowrie has a small Family history society, in their library. they are too small to have a website, email, or be a member of the Assoc. of Scottish FHS, or the Federation of British FHS. They have a fax. I've had surgeons allow me access to the Doctor records, which are passed down to the next surgeon in villages with a history of only having one doctor per place. I found my ggf birth weight, as his Mum had a history of big bairns, so a doctor was in attendance. (rare unless twins or if a history of problems with births) You might find out more about the doctor in your family. 12/05/1799 BELL PATRICK GEORGE BELL/MARGARET LUNAN M AUCHTERHOUSE /ANGUS 273/00 0020 0246 is his christening. and his brother Alex was born in 1794. Blairgowrie & East Perthshire Local History Trust, Blairgowrie Genealogy Centre c/o Blairgowrie Library, Leslie Street, Blairgowrie,Tel: 01250 875212 (open Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri 2-4pm) Alyth Museum, Commercial Street, Alyth (displays on local and farming history from Alyth and the surrounding area) Glenshee meanwhile is home to Scotland & Britain's first genealogy hotel. _http://www.perthshire.co.uk/index.asp?lm=70_ (http://www.perthshire.co.uk/index.asp?lm=70) In a message dated 2/3/2013 1:47:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rmacwilliam@onetel.com writes: Hi Sue I was interested to read your note on Rev Patrick BELL and his reaper. My gtgtgrandmother Margaret BUTCHART, wife of Henry JACK, Inspector of Poor in Dundee, had a brother George who farmed at Lumbenny, Fife, in the 1820s and 30s. The Gardener's Magazine, Vol VI, 1830, [Google Books] contains an illustrated account of Bell's reaper, which includes some users' reports. Among these is one signed George BUTCHART, Lumbenny; Robt BUTCHART, Broomblae, and James ROBERTSON, Reedylees, who were "joint proprietors" of a machine. These three farms are close to Auchtermuchty. George had been born in Auchterhouse in 1797, so was a neighbouring contemporary of the inventor in his youth. His parents were Alexander BUTCHART and Margaret BELL who married in Auchterhouse in 1793, she being a daughter of Alexander BELL and Isabel SMITH of Lundie and Fowlis. Among Margaret BELL's siblings was George, born 1765 in Lundie. Can you say if this George was father of Patrick? I have no proof that George B and Robt B were related, however George B's wife was Margaret ROBERTSON of Auchtermuchty. The "joint proprietors" may well have been a family group. Also, I have Dr Charles Smith LUNAN marrying Margaret E M SHAW of Glenshee in 1889. His father Robert was also a doctor, and both practised in Blairgowrie. Does this connect with your LUNANs? Best Wishes Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Hembury-Kellow" <finbar2008@sky.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Rev Patrick Bell 1800-1869 Hi Alastair, Yes, I've done quite a bit of info on Rev Patrick BELL. He was born 19 Apr 1799, Auchterhouse, Angus, son of George BELL and his wife Margaret LUNAN, who were married on 20 Jul 1793. (My own interest is really in the LUNANs - Patrick BELL's mother, Margaret LUNAN, was a sister of my 5G Grandmother, Christian LUNAN). Patrick BELL was one of eleven children. He married Jean/Jane LAWSON on 5 Oct 1859, Dundee, Angus, and they had three children. As well as being the Minister of Carmyllie, Angus, Patrick was also an inventor, and by 1828 had come up with the first automatic reaping machine, the Bell's Reaper. Eventually, it helped to change the face of farming, and 40 years on, Patrick was presented with the handsome sum of £1,000 and a silver salver by the Scottish Highland and Agricultural Society. Patrick BELL died in 1869. Hope this helps! Best wishes, Sue -----Original Message----- From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alibell@tiscali.co.uk Sent: 28 January 2013 22:15 > > > Alistair Bell. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Anne for sharing your expertise, I have been following the genealogy route myself for a number of years now and it is comforting to realise I have reached similar conclusions to yourself. When using a doubtful evidence I always add the rider - not verified I assisted in the compilation of the Angus Freecen transcriptions a number of years back and thoroughly enjoyed it but it was very time demanding so gave up, I agree that the online website is quite reliable, the transcribing procedures make it so. I am certain a lot of the ANGUS readers will find your remarks most enlightening, thank you again. Jim.

> I am always intrigued by the authoritative responses given to > enquirers by Anne Burgess, so > knowledgeable, I often wonder at her sources and more > importantly how costly and accessible. > Could I ask that she divulge and perhaps list some of the more > relevant sites for use by > subscribers? The obvious most desirable choices are freebee > sources but are they reliable? > > Perhaps Anne would care to share her knowledge in a more > general way for the advantage of us > less informed readers, > thank you. Thank you, Jim. I take it you are thinking of my assorted pontifications on this list, so I'll home in on the main sources I would use when doing that. I have to stress that I would always urge people not to believe anything I, or more especially anyone else, says online, but to go and check the original sources, as I always do (or intend to - there are quite a lot I have not yet got round to checking!). I have found some really bad examples of plain wrong information when following up family trees I have found online - people attached to the wrong parents, children born 3 months apart to the same mother, fathers begetting children from the grave, women giving birth at the age of 50+, and so on. Also, what is available online is not the whole story when I am looking more deeply at my own family. You can assemble the bones online, but to put on the flesh you need to look for other sources not, or not yet, available online. There is just so much out there waiting to be discovered. I'm a regular, if not as frequent as I would like, visitor to archives, libraries and family history centres all over Scotland, and to the archives at Kew. I also have an extensive library. I have always loved books (my mother used to say that I have the same effect on paper that a magnet has on iron filings) and have either inherited from the father or acquired for myself most of the Victorian books on places and topics that interest me. I have the Statistical Accounts, various Gazetteers, pre-1855 MI books, the works of A J Warden and Andrew Jervise, a clutch of parish histories and shelves of 20th century maps When answering a query on the List I do tend to use one or two web sites which I can use free and of which I have enough experience to know whether the information can be trusted and if not, how relaible or unreliable it is. I use the International Genealogical Index at www.familysearch.org, taking care to note whether the information is from the indexing programme (more reliable) or the contributions (less reliable) or submitted trees (unreliable). In my own reaserch, I use these results as a pointer, and always check the original source of the information. I use www.freecen.org.uk for census transcriptions, other than 1881. FreeCEN is double-keyed by volunteers, so I believe it to be more reliable than certain other transcriptions. Its coverage, however, is very incomplete; it has, for example, only the 1841 census for Angus, so far, though some other counties are better covered. For 1881, I have a set of the CD-ROMs produced by the Latter-Day Saints. Again, it is always my intention to check the originals of everything I have gleaned from a transcription. I also use Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. By successively narrowing searches, it is often possible to come up with a date of death or marriage without actually having to pay anything. Occasionally I do succumb to the temptation to buy a few credits if it is likely to be a long time before I can get to the Scotland's People Centre and I need to get round a barrier by looking up one certificate, or if I want a will. Otherwise for BMDs and census that's not available on FreeCEN I wait until I can get to the Scotland's People Centre. For place names, I make regular use of the wonderful collection of digital maps on the web site of the National Library of Scotland. I have a deep-rooted prejudice against Ancestry. I absolutely hate the way that followng a link on an apparently unrelated web site so often lands me on the page where Ancestry demands money before letting me access the information. I wouldn't mind if they were honest and upfront at the outset that it's Ancestry. Therefore I do not use Ancestry at all for research in Scotland, though I have been known to use access to it in a library or research centre to follow an occasional lead to foreign parts. Does this help? Anne

On 26/02/2013 10:19, Jim Eaton wrote: > ... > > Perhaps Anne would care to share her knowledge in a more general way for the advantage of us less informed readers, thank you. For a slightly more light-hearted reponse to Jim's query, can I quote the story of the Engineer who (a good many years ago) was called in to deal with a malfunctioning machine. He observed it carefully for 5 minutes, from various viewpoints, and then applied a small squirt of oil to a remote corner of the mechanism, immediately curing the fault. In due course, he submitted his account, for the sum of £20. The owners of the machine, reflecting that he had only been there for 5 minutes, and that the sum requested represented more than the weekly wage of most of their employees, asked for a detailed breakdown of his charges. He obliged, as follows: to Oil 1 penny to Knowing Where to Put It £19-19-11 TOTAL £20-0-0 "Knowing Where to Put It" is not something that can be easily bottled. Gavin Bell

On 26/02/2013 10:19, Jim Eaton wrote: > I am always intrigued by the authoritative responses given to enquirers by Anne Burgess, so knowledgeable, I often wonder at her sources and more importantly how costly and accessible. Could I ask that she divulge and perhaps list some of the more relevant sites for use by subscribers? The obvious most desirable choices are freebee sources but are they reliable? > > Perhaps Anne would care to share her knowledge in a more general way for the advantage of us less informed readers, thank you. Perhaps she might - in my experience Anne is very generous with her help. But why do you assume that her sources are websites? I'm sure Anne will not object to me saying that she and I belong to a generation who learned (and continue to learn) much of what we know from the printed word. There is a lot more information available in printed books than ever appeared in any digestible form on the Internet. And I don't think that is ever going to change significantly. Many of my sources (I labour in a neighbouring part of the vineyard to Anne) are in the hundreds of printed books which line the walls of my study. Many of these have been scanned and OCRed and can be found (often for free) on some website or other. But the important difference is that I have read them, or otherwise made myself familiar with their contents. And having absorbed the information in one such source, I then naturally compare and link it with others I have known, thus often ending up with a whole that is sometimes significantly more than the sum of its parts. All this takes time, and thought, and consideration. If you hope you can replicate such wisdom by a simple click of the mouse then I fear you are in for a disappointment. Gavin Bell

I am always intrigued by the authoritative responses given to enquirers by Anne Burgess, so knowledgeable, I often wonder at her sources and more importantly how costly and accessible. Could I ask that she divulge and perhaps list some of the more relevant sites for use by subscribers? The obvious most desirable choices are freebee sources but are they reliable? Perhaps Anne would care to share her knowledge in a more general way for the advantage of us less informed readers, thank you. Jim Eaton

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