Page 20 1785 Born this year Males 14 Females 7 In all 21 1786 John Cant, Son to George Cant taylor in Barry-Muir and his Spouse Margaret Boutchart, was born Janry 8 Cant Elizabeth Cant, daughter to Alexander Cant weaver in Upper Moston & his Spouse Margaret Brown, was born Jan 22 Cant Euphan Daughter to James Mitchell weaver in Cowbyres & his spouse Jean Crawford was born Feby 10 Mitchell Agnes Daughter to James Watt weaver in Barry & his spouse Jean Philip was born P F Feby 24 Watt Margt Daughter to John Paton weaver in Upper Moston and his Spouse Jean Guild, was born Mar 9 Paton Thomas Son to Robert Whitton weaver in Cowbyres 7 his spouse Agnes Guild was born March 14 Whitton Patrick Son to Patrick Donaldson in Ground of Woodhill & his Spouse Elspet Roddam was born March 22 Donaldson Patrick Son to Thoms Kyd Farmer in Ravensbay & his Spouse Margaret Anderson, was born April 17 Kyd Betty Daughter to William Miln wright in Elsinure & his Spouse Jean Crawford was born April 26 Miln James Son to James Stephen Merchant in Barry & his Spouse Mary Scott was born (omitted above) April 8 Stephen George Son to James Lowson in Lighthouse & his Spouse Margt Wilson was born April 26 Lowson Page 21 1786 Anne Daughter to Robert Guthrie weaver in Budden & his Spouse Katharine Guild was born April 30 Guthrie Margt Daughter to Alexander Templeman shepherd in Deyhouse and his Spouse Susan Norie, was born May 13 Templeman Agnes Daughter to David Smith in Nether Moston & his Spouse Elizabeth Adam was born May 16 Smith Euphan Daughter to Andrew Finlay taylor in Upper Mill of Barry & his Spouse Helen Thom, was born June 2 Finlay James Son to James Wilson brewer in Barry & his Spouse Agnes Scott was born June 13 Wilson Peter Son to David Trumbull Flax-dresser in ground of Deyhouse and his Spouse Christian Johnston was born Augt 2 Trumbull John Son to Robert Ormand day-labourer in Barry-muir and his Spouse Janet Crofts, was born Septr 21 Ormand Ann Daughter to Robert Rae weaver in Cowbyres and his spouse Agnes Crawford, was born Octr 26 Rae David Son to Alexander Mora of Gedhall and his Spouse Isobel Kyd, was born Novr 1 Moram Alexr Son to Alexander Strachan weaver in Budden & his Spouse Grizzel Scott, was born Novr 4 Strachan Euphan Daughter to William Sword weaver in Barryhill and his Spouse Margaret Rae, was born Novr 27 Sword Page 22 1786 Elizabeth Daughter to Andrew Guild weaver in Cottside and his Spouse Barbara Ireland, was born Decr 11 Guild 1787 Susan Robert Petrie in ground of Cowbyres and his spouse Margaret Robertson had a daughter born 4 Feby named Susan Feby 4 Petrie George Son to Peter Barrie weaver in Gedhall and his Spouse Margt Morum, was born March 1 Barrie James Son to the Revd David Sim Minr Barrie and his Spouse Agnes Maule, was born March 21st Sim James Son to David Kid shoemaker Barriehill and his Spouse Christian Turnbul was born April 9 Kid Betty Daughter to Jas Mill farmer Elsineur his spouse Jean Crawford May 18th Mill David Son to Alexander Brown miller up mill Barrie and his Spouse Jannet Brown was born May 20 Brown Susan Daughter to Geo Cant taylor Barriemuir and his Spouse Margt Butchart, was born June 4 Cant Margaret Daughter to John Coupar Gr of Woodhill and his Spouse Ann Simpson was born July 8 Coupar Page 23 1787 John Son to Thomas Kyd farmer Ravensby and his Spouse Margt Anderson, was born Septr 6 Kid Isobel Daughter to John Templeman taylor Cottside and Isobel Hog his Spouse, was born Septr 26 Templeman John Son to James Wilson brewer Barrie and his Spouse Agnes Scott, was born Septr 30 Wilson Mary Daughter to Andrew Airth hammerman Barrie and his Spouse Margt Kid, was Baptd Novr 17 Airth David Son to John Stewart miller Nether Mill Barrie and his Spouse Ann Mitchell was Baptd Novr 18 Stewart Alexr Son to Alexander Cant weaver in Ground of Balskellie and his Spouse Margt Brown, was Baptd Decr 4 Cant Peter Son to Wm Templeman weaver Barrie and his Spouse Isobel Crawford, was Baptd Decr 13 Templeman 1788 Mary Daughter to James Stephen Mercht Barrie and his Spouse Mary Scott was Baptd Jany 1 Stephen Mary Daughter to James Alexander shoemaker Barrie and his Spouse Marian Chrystie, was born Do 15 Alexander Alexr Son to William Fyffe farmer Cruickhill and his Spouse Euphemia Fyffe was born Febry 5 Fyffe Helen Daughter to Andrew Findlay taylor Up Mill Barrie and his Spouse Helen Tom was born Do 6 Findlay Jannet Daughter to John Patoun weaver Up Mostoun and his Spouse Jean Guild, was born March 7 Patoun Thomas Son to James Patterson weaver Cottside and his Spouse Margt Stephen Baptd March 12 Patterson Page 24 1788 Isabel Daughter to Andw Paris weaver Taymouth and his Spouse Elizabeth Butchert, was Baptd March 21 Paris David Son to David Trumbul flax dresser Deyhouse and his Spouse Christian Johnston, was born April 26 Trumbul Jean Daughter to James Rae weaver Budden and his Spouse Barbara Templeman Baptd April 27 Rae James Son to Wm Watson weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Agnes Cairncross was born May 1 Watson Ann Daughter to George Archer weaver Cruickhill and his Spouse Idabel Fyffe, was born May 11 Archer Ann Daughter to Wm Mill farmer Elsineur and his Spouse Jean Crawford baptd May 20 Mill John Son to David Nicol barnman Ballskellie and his Spouse Margt Hepbourn was born June 1 Nicol David Son to David Smith weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Jean Mitchel was born June 2 Smith Betty Daughter to the Revd Mr David Sim and his Spouse Agnes Maul, was born June 12 Sim Ann Daughter to James Watt weaver in Barrie and his Spouse Jean Philp, baptd June 12 Watt Barbara Daughter to John Taylor shepherd Cowbyres and his Spouse Jannet Espline, was born July 10 Taylor Susan Daughter to Robt Guthry weaver Budden and his Spouse Katharine Guild, was born July 12 Guild David Son to Robt Rae weaver in Cowbyres and his Spouse Jean Crawford, baptd Septr 2 Rae James Son to Joseph Beattie barnman to G of Barrie and his Spouse Christian Smith, was baptd Novr 4 Beattie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bjmurray12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: if you search familysearch.org.uk: mary ramsay - birth's are listed as being 1816, nothing for 1816, in Dundee, record was taken from birth records also others by family search members. scotlandspeople.gov.uk, has in Births pre 1855: mary ramsay 1815-1818 lists 3 in ANGUS isaac watt in Aberdeen 1816-1818 but entered as watt & i****, there were 4 entries. if you don't use *, there weren't any listed as Isaac. I didn;t look on family search for isaac. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELAH Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you, that is very helpful. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I started to reply and seem to have lost my reply. The gist is: Any Fees charged by the church were local, and not national policy. They were often geared to pay the clerk for his trouble, rather than have the church pay him directly. They were very small amounts. Govt. tax on registers: only 1794-1797, if I remember right. "Contracted" is date the minister was notified of the intention to marry, and the banns being read in the church for the first time (of three, as required by law). The couple were actually married on 12th August. Where a father is named in a marriage entry, this is normally to differentiate the bride (or groom) from others of the same name in the parish. The designation of the father as "mason", was to specify his trade where there was someone else of the same name as before. This can make it easier to identify a family line. Dundee City Archives might have a listing of local stonemasons which might help you further with this line. They often had to pay a fee to the council in order to practice their trade in the city. The local "incorporation" of masons might have details of men entering the trade, usually as an apprentice or son or son-in law of another mason. The word Mason meant everything from a simple worker in stone, to a fully trained craftsman, to what we would now regard as an architect. Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELAH Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I also read somewhere that not all children were baptised because there was a fee involved, is that right? The marriage record reads under "parties": Isaac Watt weaver & Mary Ramsay both this parish dau of Robt Ramsay On the left there is a column for "contracted", whis is July 23, and on the right is a column for "married" which is 12 Aug, and the top of the page says "July 1836". There is also a marriage record in the same parish for a Janet Ramsay marrying a Peter Watt, weaver. Somehow they are related to my Mary and Isaac (because they lived together briefly while in Cincinnati) but I'm not sure of the relationship. Mary and Janet could be sisters, Peter and Isaac could be brothers, or both/neither. Anyway, Janet's father is listed as "Robt Ramsay, mason". There seem to be many men named Robert Ramsay in Dundee in this time period, so I don't know if listing the latter Robert as a mason was a way to differentiate him from the first Robert Ramsay, or if this was just a recording quirk. Then again, I might be trying to over-interpret the presence of the word "mason" or the lack thereof. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am researching roots in Forfar related to the marriage of David Scott, a member of the Angus Volunteers (Angus Volunteers Company of Fencible Men) and his bride Jean Dalgity 25 Oct 1795 in Forfar. They were in Woolwich, England in 1800 when he was a gunner in the Royal Artillery. He was later posted in 1801 to Nova Scotia, where he was a Sergeant in the Royal Artillery in Halifax, Nova Scotia. It was there, in 1803 that the Headquarters Book indicated: August 14th 1803. "David Scott was Barbarously Murdered on Sunday last while in the execution of his duty as Sergt- Commanding the Royal Artillery Barrack Guard, The Lieut- General takes upon himself to grant to her a free Ration of Provisions dailey and a quarter to each of her three children, until opportunity offers to send her to Woolwich". With David Scott being a common name in the area at the time - sorting out his ancestry is a challenge among the many possibilities with the same name. Any suggestions or connections that might be helpful to this research with either the Dalgity or Scott line would be greatly appreciated. My website tells more of the story http://www3.pei.sympatico.ca/scotts/1Scott.html Sincerely, Ian Scott -- Ian & Daphne Scott 51 Ambrose St. Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada, C1A 3P5 (902) 892-5796 scotts@pei.sympatico.ca

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Scotlandspeople website and also the familysearch website are mostly based on surviving Church of Scotland parish registers, which are neither complete not comprehensive. Many of the registers have damage by staining, tears, etc., and not all baptisms and marriages got into the registers due to forgetful ministers, etc. Additionally, depending on the date, other denominations may have recorded the event, but most other denominations have not had their registers indexed, even though most are held in Edinburgh in the original or as a copy. When doing an online search, allow for variations in spelling, as the minister may have written the names differently from what you expected. Beware: the familysearch website contains many entries submitted by LDS patrons, often erroneous in nature. Those entries noted as "extracted" are the accurate ones. Did you read the marriage record? What did it say? Often there are clues in the way such records are worded. Gordon Johnson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Gail I recollect a Territorial Drill Hall in Bank Street. If I remember correctly it was used by the local Blackwatch unit. Try the Brechin Library, they should have information on it. John Waite Cranbourne Australia > Does anyone recollect or know of a Barrage Balloon Training Ground before > World War 2 as it is no longer there. It was a territorial Army Hall I was > told on Bank Street in Brechin. Local people would of trained here before > they went off to war 1939-1945. I am interested in pictures or where I > would find out about those who trained there. > > Thankyou > Gail > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: venicefl01 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your response I am unable to locate marriage record for this couple on Scotlandspeople, but this doesn't surprise as most things I search for on that site are not recorded. nearly all are before the magic date of 1855, so I continue the search. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5510.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gbell152 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5510.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is a notoriously difficult question to answer. The calculator at http://www.measuringworth.com/ukcompare/ gives a range of equivalents to a shilling in 1845, ranging from £3.88 to £120.19, depanding on what basis is taken for the comparison. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5510.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. I have one more question: do you have any idea how much a shilling was worth at that time? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gbell152 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5510.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In the "Aberdeen University Review" no. 109 (1953) my late father published extracts from the Guild Records of the Sutors of Forfar. He did not quote any wage scales, but did give the rate of Sickness Benefit available to members according to a list dated 1815. This allowed a member "ill in bed" the sum of 5 shillings a week, for 6 weeks, and a decreasing sum thereafter. 5 shillings was also the amount allowed (for 12 weeks) to a widow with one child. There was also superannuation (1s 6d per week) available to retired members over 70. But in 1846, the Sutors, along with all Guilds, lost the power to regulate trade, so incomes would depend on the laws of supply and demand. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5510/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone have an idea how much a shoemaker might make in 19th centuray Forfarshire. Is there a website that provides information about shoemakers during this time? Thank you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELAH Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry, no. Although your Ann is the right age to be a sibling of my Robert Ramsay, Ramsay was a very common name in Dundee so she could easily have been part of another family. If I come across her information, I'll contact you. Did she marry in Scotland? Have you found her marriage record? It will usually name the bride's father and sometimes his occupation. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: entyoung_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry I cannot help your search but am interested to know if you have an Ann Ramsey, b. Dundee abt 1818 married to James Thomson. Regards, Tim Young Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELAH Surnames: Ramsay, Watt Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've exhausted the scotlandspeople.gov site looking for my Watt and Ramsay ancestors and am not sure where else to search. My ancestors Mary Ramsay (b. 1815 Dundee) and her husband Isaac Watt (b. 1816 Aberdeen) left Scotland, were in England in 1841 (census), emigrated to US (1843). I am looking for their parents and siblings but don't know where else to search. I found their marriage record in the Parish records on scotlandspeople.gov site, but not their birth records. Is there anywhere else to look for birth records? Are there any other records in Scotland that might lead me to their parents or siblings? Any advice will be appreciated! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Are you sure it is Barage baloons you mean. There were thousands of them all over Britain during the war. Possibly you mean Observation balloons which is a quite different thing. From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, angus@rootsweb.com To: <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ANGUS] Territorial Army Hall Bank Str. Brechin Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:35:42 -0000 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gwatson000126 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5511/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone recollect or know of a Barrage Balloon Training Ground before World War 2 as it is no longer there. It was a territorial Army Hall I was told on Bank Street in Brechin. Local people would of trained here before they went off to war 1939-1945. I am interested in pictures or where I would find out about those who trained there. Thankyou Gail Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: canobits Surnames: Peddie Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5513/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David Peddie, 79, of 172 Talbot Street East, Leamington, died at Leamington District Memorial Hospital Thursday after a brief illness. Born in Dundee, Scotland, Mr. Peddie had been a resident of Leamington for six years. He formlerly lived in Windsor and Toronto. He was a retired tool and die maker and attended the United Church. His wife, Annie, died in 1954. Surviving are one son, David, Toronto; one daughter, Mrs. Lorne (Aileen) Gay, Leamington, and one sister, Mrs. John (Jeffie) Nicholl, Toronto; four grandchildren and one great-grandchild. Funeral services will be held Saturday at 2 p.m. at Smith Funeral Home, 14 Russell Street, Leamington with Rev. William Bell officiating. Burial will be in Evergreen Memorial Cemetery. (Windsor Star, Friday, February 24, 1961) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: canobits Surnames: Peddie Classification: obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5514/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David Peddie, 79, of 172 Talbot Street East, Leamington, died at Leamington District Memorial Hospital Thursday after a brief illness. Born in Dundee, Scotland, Mr. Peddie had been a resident of Leamington for six years. He formlerly lived in Windsor and Toronto. He was a retired tool and die maker and attended the United Church. His wife, Annie, died in 1954. Surviving are one son, David, Toronto; one daughter, Mrs. Lorne (Aileen) Gay, Leamington, and one sister, Mrs. John (Jeffie) Nicholl, Toronto; four grandchildren and one great-grandchild. Funeral services will be held Saturday at 2 p.m. at Smith Funeral Home, 14 Russell Street, Leamington with Rev. William Bell officiating. Burial will be in Evergreen Memorial Cemetery. (Windsor Star, Friday, February 24, 1961) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.