I have had too many accidents, like Marilyn Arnold, a cousin from Wash, Dc showing up at the same archive as me. (it was my first and only visit). I now think of them as "invisible" means of support as Joseph Campbell called therm. "If you follow your bliss (the actions you REALLY love) you will find like minded people who are following their bliss, and unexpected WONDERS will come to you, by invisible means! The happy, but things that seem too good to be an accident. Or maybe a lot of happy accidents you can't quite explain. But before people taking me for a "Kook", maybe faith plays a part! Divine help, lucky accidents, or incredible good fortune... Just enjoy the moment, as we (who have brick walls) and know how it feels when one falls. Hurrah for you!! Mary in Oregon My daughter Jameela has decided to help with England, so I now have a student and best friend to do this with! My other family member's eyes glaze over when I say the word "genealogy". they want copies of my results but don't want to hear how I got them....very sad. The work has been the journey of my life... not a destination! But only brothers and sisters on these lists can understand: both trials and triumphs! What a ride it is! **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

> From: E1a2warren@aol.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:56:27 -0500 > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Leysmill > > Many thanks Lesley, > I didn't know where to start looking. > Ann > The Valuation Rolls are brilliant. They came out every year from the middle 1800s and showed owner, tenant and head of household of occupier as well as more esoteric things such as who owned the feu and the value of the property. The earliest ones didn't include buildings with a value below 4 pounds, and also didn't give the occupiers is they weren't the tenants (eg a farmer might be the tenant for his whole farm, but the occupiers would be the ag labs in the cottages). The trouble is that they take up a huge amount of space (NAS doesn't even keep them in the building, you have to order the copies you want in advance) so it's best to go to the appropriate archive as they'll probably have the ones for their area. I don't know whether they're still doing them, but they certainly were up to the 1980s... Lesley _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Ann, I happened to be passing Angus Archives with time to spare so I had a quick look at Valuation Rolls taking 1940/41, 1944/45 and 1948/49 a samples. There is no property owner or householder in Leysmill called either Coulston or Donaldson over that period. The population of Leysmill remained remarkably constant over that period the names are: Reps of Robertson (40/41) replaced by McKnight Keith Stott Swinton Mackie Robertson Luff, replaced by Hosie, Sub-postmaster, in 48/49 Stewart Brown, in 44/45 & 48/49. Hutcheson Cheyne, replaced by Campbell 48/49 Brown Soutar The last three are in property owned by the railway, might be railway employees. Could "Granny Donaldson" be visiting a married sister or daughter in one of these households? Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: <E1a2warren@aol.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Leysmill > As a child in the 1940's I used to visit Leysmill with a family friend > "granny Donaldson". We stayed at the big house on the left hand side of > the > village after crossing the railway lines. Would anyone know who lived > there at > that time. Would it be Donaldson or Colston? I know that Granny was > Margaret > Colston and she married David Donaldson. > Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1957 - Release Date: 02/17/09 07:07:00

As I get the Digest format, it is easy to skim down the message list to see what (if anything) is of interest, and to rely to a message board post, a simple click on the line should suffice. However, I have found in a number of occasions that my click brings up a Board page with the report "error retrieving message". I have reported this, but had no response, so still don't know the cause. The board allows for an e-mail back to me when (if) someone reacts to what I have said on the board, so I can respond as quickly as it suits me, rather than waiting to see if something appears on the List. To my mind, the usual lack of a sign-off on a message board message is a nuisance, which could be solved by everyone putting their name at the end of the message text, which is what I do. Gordon Johnson.

> From: E1a2warren@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:29:08 -0500> To: angus@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Leysmill> > As a child in the 1940's I used to visit Leysmill with a family friend > "granny Donaldson". We stayed at the big house on the left hand side of the > village after crossing the railway lines. Would anyone know who lived there at > that time. Would it be Donaldson or Colston? I know that Granny was Margaret > Colston and she married David Donaldson. > Ann> > The best way to find out would be to check the Valuation Roll for that year. The bad news is that they're ot easy to find unless you're near a relevan Archive or FHS. The slightly good news is that NAS is busy scanning them now so they will eventually become more easily available but it's a massive job. What I did when I wanted a couple of pages was to ring the relevant archive and ask them if I could buy photocopies of the pages I wanted - they agreed and it only cost me the actual copying cost plus postage. You might need to look at an OS map first to pinpoint the house you want. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Thank you for info Bruce and for taking time so send it. You are probably right about "Granny" Colston. She was not a blood relative but took care of me when I was young. Will have to look for siblings as you have suggested. Ann

Many thanks Lesley, I didn't know where to start looking. Ann

As a child in the 1940's I used to visit Leysmill with a family friend "granny Donaldson". We stayed at the big house on the left hand side of the village after crossing the railway lines. Would anyone know who lived there at that time. Would it be Donaldson or Colston? I know that Granny was Margaret Colston and she married David Donaldson. Ann

Pete Duff wrote: > > > >>Lesley: >> >> >> >>>While the mirror worked both ways, and we could reply by simply replying >>>to the list, >>>I could see a value in the link. Now that it's one way, >>> >>> >>> >>Gavin: >> >>I'm not aware it was ever anything else. And you can, in fact, react to >>a Gatewayed message simply by doing a normal "Reply To:" Your words of >>wisdom will then appear on the List (although not on the message Board). >> >> > >And that's the problem in my view. The words of wisdom are not reaching the >person requesting the help on the Board, unless they happen to subscribe to >both the List and the Board. > > And if you click on the link, you reach both! It's fiddly, and it's assymetrical, but I really can't see that it is a major difficulty. However, each to his or her own. Gavin Bell

Lesley Robertson wrote: >While the mirror worked both ways, and we could reply by simply replying to the list, >I could see a value in the link. Now that it's one way, > I'm not aware it was ever anything else. And you can, in fact, react to a Gatewayed message simply by doing a normal "Reply To:" Your words of wisdom will then appear on the List (although not on the message Board). >and those of us on the list have >to log into the board to reply, > I can't say this ever struck me as more than a passing annoyance. If you click on the link that appears as part of every Gatewayed message, you are taken to the relevant URL. I find that, provided you have logged in to the Message Board some time recently, it remembers who you are, and does not require you to log in for each message. >I don't bother reading the message board stuff. I'm not > going to keep loggong in and loggin out as answers occur to me,. > > Why log out? It's only a Message Board. Gavin Bell

I fully agree with Lesley and Heather. In addition, I find the lack of 'sign off' really off-putting - a name at least would be good - one is left trying to guess who one is talking to by their logon 'moniker'. Pat Carson Researching ADAMSON, STIRLING, KINNEAR in Forfar & Dundee KEY, FORD in Coastal Angus & Dundee NEAVE in Haddington & Forfar MILLER in Dundee CONWAY in Ireland, Ayrshire & Dundee FISHER in Ayrshire & Dundee NICOLSON in Speyside, Aberdeen & Dundee REILLY in Ireland & Dundee "What is this life, if full of care, We have no time to stand and stare ..." W. H. Davies, Leisure -----Original Message----- From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Canevaro Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:59 PM To: angus@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Gc-Gateway I agree with Leslie, I very seldom read the gateway posts. I find them out of context most of the time because of the thread system. If I want to see what is going on on a message board, I can go there and search for a topic I am interested in. Heather SK. Canada Lesley Robertson wrote: > > Now that it's one way, and those of us on the list have > to log into the board to reply, I don't bother reading the message board stuff. I'm not > going to keep loggong in and loggin out as answers occur to me,. > > Lesley Robertson >

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:59:26 +0000> From: g.bell@which.net> To: angus@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Gc-Gateway> > There are problems with messages from the Gateway, because, in the form > in which they initially appear on the "Message Board" they get their > context by being threaded together, a connection which does not survive > the process of being "echoed" to the List. We did debate, long ago, > whether or not such messages should be echoed to the List. I voted that > they shouldn't, but I was outvoted. So I have learned to live with the > problem.> While the mirror worked both ways, and we could reply by simply replying to the list, I could see a value in the link. Now that it's one way, and those of us on the list have to log into the board to reply, I don't bother reading the message board stuff. I'm not going to keep loggong in and loggin out as answers occur to me,. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELAH Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: So let me see if I can summarize this correctly - - their marriage appears in OPR, but not their births or the births of their children, which might indicate that they belonged to a different church (or didn't attend) - if they belonged to a different church, I might find their birth registrations in the archives in Edinburgh - Robert Ramsay was a mason in Dundee, so I can look for information on him in the Dundee City Archives (are there similar records for weavers?) - I can search for burial information in Dundee which may or may not tell me something about the family (also in the Dundee City Archives, or would this be held at each cemetery?) Did I miss anything? Thank you all for your great advice and the information on religions and archives in Scotland. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> Lesley: > >>While the mirror worked both ways, and we could reply by simply replying >>to the list, >>I could see a value in the link. Now that it's one way, >> > Gavin: > > I'm not aware it was ever anything else. And you can, in fact, react to > a Gatewayed message simply by doing a normal "Reply To:" Your words of > wisdom will then appear on the List (although not on the message Board). And that's the problem in my view. The words of wisdom are not reaching the person requesting the help on the Board, unless they happen to subscribe to both the List and the Board. Pete

I fully agree with Lesley. The gate should swing both ways. Pete Duff > >> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:59:26 +0000> From: g.bell@which.net> To: >> angus@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Gc-Gateway> > There are problems >> with messages from the Gateway, because, in the form > in which they >> initially appear on the "Message Board" they get their > context by being >> threaded together, a connection which does not survive > the process of >> being "echoed" to the List. We did debate, long ago, > whether or not >> such messages should be echoed to the List. I voted that > they >> shouldn't, but I was outvoted. So I have learned to live with the > >> problem.> > While the mirror worked both ways, and we could reply by simply replying > to the list, > I could see a value in the link. Now that it's one way, and those of us on > the list have > to log into the board to reply, I don't bother reading the message board > stuff. I'm not > going to keep loggong in and loggin out as answers occur to me,. > > Lesley Robertson

> "Elizabeth GALL, presently residing in Edinburgh, daughter of > the late Mrs > Elizabeth CRAIK or LYALL" who received a chest of drawers and > 1/15th of > the estate. Is this a transcription? Could the surname actually have been Lyall rather than Gall? It would not be difficult to write 'Ly' in such a way that it could be misread as 'G'. I suggest you have a(nother) look at the handwritten original document. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5515.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You are quite right in assuming that the records indexed in FamilySearch, provided they are 'extracted' and not 'submitted' are the same as those on Scotland's People (E&OE) because FamilySearch used microfilms of the registers held by the GROS. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My personal take is that I do not understand and never have understood the need for both a Mailing List and a Message Board. It seems to me that they largely duplicate one another, and therefore have potential for confusion. Even if the creators of the system had in mind some difference in the way they are used, I don't think the majority of those who use them are aware of this. Some people gravitate to the List and some to the Message Board, but the tenor of the messages on both is much the same. Anne

> I am sorry to say that I find the above site a nuisance.There > is not sufficient > information in the heading to direct the reader to what the > content is about? The subject line at the top is exactly as it appears in the original thread, and gives just as much idea of the content as it would if it had been posted directly to the List instead of via the Message Board. This subject line isn't repeated in the message text, but then it isn't repeated in direct messages either. If the consensus of the List is that messages posted to the Message Board should not be gatewayed to the List, this can be done. > I don't want to open every email to decide if it is important That's why the subject line appears in gatewayed messages. > and I am finding less individuals on the site recording > information. There are slightly fewer List subscribers than there were when I started administering it. This is, however, made up to more than the original number by the extra people who use the Message Board rather than the Mailing List. > I am sure that many individuals-like myself (12 years) are not > posting > messages as we did in the past. Gavin has dealt more than adequately with this point. Anne ANGUS List and Message Board Administrator

I have to say that on the whole I agree with you. This subject was brought up some time ago, and I believe at the time the concensus was to leave things as they are.   Doreen Cuthbert --- On Tue, 17/2/09, alfredmiln@aol.com <alfredmiln@aol.com> wrote: From: alfredmiln@aol.com <alfredmiln@aol.com> Subject: [ANGUS] Gc-Gateway To: ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 8:39 AM I am sorry to say that I find the above site a nuisance.There is not sufficient information in the heading to direct the reader to what the content is about.?I don't want to open every email to decide if it is important and I am finding less individuals on the site recording information.I am sure that many individuals-like myself(12 years)?are not posting messages as we did in the past. Comments would be appreciated ?????????????????? Alf________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Experience Email and instant messaging together - chat while you mail and mail while you chat! Register for your free email account at http://free.aol.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message