This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5521.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have some evidence for this statement? Perhaps from a gravestone or a statement in the kirk session minutes? It is so easy to see names that fit dates and places, and assume they are the correct people "because they are the only ones" in the register". Even worse, if just taken from an index. Unfortunately, most of the registers are defective, and have gaps, damage, etc. and there may be another candidate to fit your tree who is missing. Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In response to the post from the gateway. Do you have any connection with the Balfours of Rescobie and Aberlemno Arlene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Gnlgymd Surnames: Lamb, Tweedale, Low Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2749.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Jane, when I was looking through previous posts, I noticed your message. Please refer to my reply to Thelma, I'm descended from Margaret and James, through their daughter, Ann, who married David Low. Better late than never, lol. Kay Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Butchart, Robertson, Anderson, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5524/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have Barbara Butchart born 1741 in Forfar, Scotland,the daughter of Thomas Butchart and Jannet Robertson. In 1770 Barbara married William Anderson born in 1745 in Abirlot, Forfar. William and Barbara had at least 6 children, William c1772, Agnes 1774, George c1777, Margaret c1774, Betty c1782 and John c1784. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Aymer, Gordon. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5523/mb.ashx Message Board Post: William Aymer c1678 of Angus, Scotland married in c1703 to Catherine Gordon c1678 of Angus. They had at least seven children, Thomas, Katharine, Barbara, William, James, Joan and Jean. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Aymer, Gordon, Scott. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5522/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barbara Aymer c1701 Barry, Forfar, Scotland daughter of William Aymer and Catherine Gordon married in 1722 in Barry to David Scott c1700 of Barry. They had at least two children, William and David who married Barbara Gray in 1753. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Arnott, Car, Carr, Butchart. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5521/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Arnott, Robert born 1672 in Scotland married in c1695 to Agnas Car b. 1674 in Scotland. They had at least one child Margaret Arnott 1697 who married c1719 to Robert Butchart b1696. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Arnott, Butchart, Mores. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5520/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Margaret Arnott born 1697 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland married in 1719 to Robert Butchart b. 1696 Panbride, Angus, Scotland son of Thomas Butchart and Elspet Mores. They had six children:- James, Margaret (Dec.), Robert, Alexander, Margartet and Helen. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Anderson, Butchart, Robertson, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5519/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have William Anderson born in 1745 in Abirlot, Forfar the son of John Anderson. In 1770 William married Barbara Butchart born 1741 the daughter of Thomas Butchart and Jannet Robertson.William and Barbara had at least 6 children, William c1772, Agnes 1774, George c1777, Margaret c1774, Betty c1782 and John c1784. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Anderson, Butchart, Stuart. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5518/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Agnes Anderson born 1774 Panbride, Angus, Scotland the daughter of William Anderson and Barbara Butchart. Married in 1802 in Panbride to John Butchart b. 1761 Panbride the son of James Butchart and Isobel Stuart. They had at least 9 children, Barbara 1809, Robert 1803, Andrew 1805, David 1807, James 1809, John 1812, Ann 1814, George 1816 and William 1818. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Addison, Orem, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5517/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have James Addison born circa 1724 in Angus, Scotland spouse unknown, their child Isobel Addison b. 1748 in Kinnettes, Angus married on 1778 to James Oram b. 1749/50 Kinnettes, Angus. They had at least 6 children. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ernie526 Surnames: Addison, Orem, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5516/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Isabel Addison born 1748 in Kinnettes, Angus the daughter of James Addison and unknown spouse. Married in 1778 in Kinnettes to James Orem 1749/50 in Kinnettes, Angus. They had the following children Margaret c1773, Alexander 1775, Ann 1779, James 1782, David 1784 and Elizabeth 1790. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I'll take your advice Gordon. Looks like it could be a long haul. Many thanks, Ann

A word of advice about the order within these rolls. I have recently had to use them to research past owners and tenants of my present house. It turned out that in the book, within each parish, you first get the estate or other major landowners, with all their properties; before the roll moves on to the smaller owners and owner-occupiers. As a result, if your ancestor was a tenant, he/she may be found under the list of properties owned by an estate, rather than where one would normally expect to find them in a roll. Roll on indexing of these! Happy hunting. Gordon Johnson

All: Delete this now if you don't want to read about other by-chance family connections. I'll have to read this book you suggested, Karen, as meeting cousin Mary by accident is not the first time this has happened to me. I came to know this man who lives about 6 miles from me via social gatherings. His family is from the Boston area. I said I came to that area outside Boston frequently because I had family there and many of my ancestors were from that area and I did genealogy. He revealed that his family was really into genealogy and provided names of his family. We both had BLAKEs in the family, but in the Boston area this is a common name. We continued to talk, and he (not a genealogist) said, "and there is this family named Childs." I just got goosebumps and the hair on my back stood on end. I told him to look at my arm (he is an ER physician) because my hair on my arms was just electrified, and the goosebumps were visible. James H. Childs the missionary? James Childs the minister? Wife Susan? He and I are 3rd cousins, and this helped me connect w/the last of my Mom's cousins that she couldn't really name (and information was conflicting). I said your grandfather lived on XX Elwood Street in ZZ, New York, and he had five children -- 4 girls, one no longer living, and a son of the same name -- he was astounded ... how did you know that??? Well, I've been looking for your family for 4 years! Pretty cool! I went to their family reunion a few years ago in CO. Lots of fun! I brought a pix of our GGG-GF and other pix of the family, as well as letters from about 1850 to 1900 or so, describing our ADAMS and LONGFELLOW ancestors' service in the Rev War. As to ANGUS. My cousin and I managed to find our Dads' 2nd cousin, Jim Low in Dundee 45 years after my grandparents had visited them there in the 1960s. The address came from my grandmother's 1st cousin (unrelated to the Scotish folks) (from CA) travelled with my grandparents at that time and kept information on MY family as well as hers, even the bus routes that stopped near the houses, still having it 45 years later!! And, she and I were connected by common descendants of my DAVIES family in England, so that was quite a bit of "chances" that allowed us to meet Jimmy! Life is good! Marilyn Falls Church, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ksteel" <ksteel@optonline.net> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Happy accidents! > Actually there's a book about this, believe it or not! > > Psychic Roots (by Henry Jones) is all about the influence of coincidence > and > serendipity on genealogical research, the chance combination of events > over > which the researcher has no control but which nevertheless guides him to a > fortuitous discovery. Certainly chance or dumb luck sometimes leads us > straight to a record kept in an improbable place, to an ancestor's second > wife we didn't know anything about, and so on. Is it luck? Coincidence? > > Karen > > "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already > tomorrow > in Australia." Charles M. Schulz

> From: personal@dorrit41jbd.bbmax.co.uk > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:46:13 +0000 > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Leysmill > > Ann, > > I happened to be passing Angus Archives with time to spare so I had a quick > look at Valuation Rolls taking 1940/41, 1944/45 and 1948/49 a samples. > > There is no property owner or householder in Leysmill called either Coulston > or Donaldson over that period. > > The population of Leysmill remained remarkably constant over that period the > names are: > Reps of Robertson (40/41) replaced by McKnight > Keith > Stott > Swinton > Mackie > Robertson > Luff, replaced by Hosie, Sub-postmaster, in 48/49 > Stewart > Brown, in 44/45 & 48/49. > Hutcheson > Cheyne, replaced by Campbell 48/49 > Brown > Soutar > At least one of those Robertsons is mine - my Great Uncle Andrew! Don't worry, I don't need a lookup.. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

A delightful "accident" as I had not told Marilyn about our trip to Wash, D.C. We had planned the week previous, as we were remarried in Fergus (and had concentrated on the wedding details). I just can't believe that we met....accidentally! Mary In a message dated 2/18/2009 1:33:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, New.Englander@verizon.net writes: Finding Mary and husband Bruce sitting at a table at the National Archives about 20 feet from me was just incredible! I saw that she had signed in a few lines above me and just gasped. We had never met and so neither of us knew what the other looked like. I talked w/3 staffers, and said my cousin from Oregon is here! They responded that there were many people of similar names. I said not that live on this street in this city in Oregon! I knew she was there -- somewhere! I had been headed off to the main MF reading room, but would take two steps and stop -- this happened several times. I just could not leave the main entry area. Then I turned around 180 degrees and walked straight up to this woman I'd never seen before and said -- are you Mary Powrie [last name]??? And ... she said yes. (The 3 staff people just had their jaws hanging wide open!) It was truly amazing! (She and I could not see each other from the sign in table). So .... things do happen for a reason! Marilyn Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRUINSWOOD@aol.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com>; <personal@dorrit41jbd.bbmax.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Happy accidents! >I have had too many accidents, like Marilyn Arnold, a cousin from Wash, Dc > showing up at the same archive as me. (it was my first and only visit). I > now > think of them as "invisible" means of support as Joseph Campbell called > therm. > "If you follow your bliss (the actions you REALLY love) you will find like > minded people who are following their bliss, and unexpected WONDERS will > come to you, by invisible means! The happy, but things that seem too good > to be > an accident. Or maybe a lot of happy accidents you can't quite explain. > > But before people taking me for a "Kook", maybe faith plays a part! Divine > help, lucky accidents, or incredible good fortune... Just enjoy the > moment, > as we (who have brick walls) and know how it feels when one falls. Hurrah > for > you!! > > Mary in Oregon > > > My daughter Jameela has decided to help with England, so I now have a > student and best friend to do this with! My other family member's eyes > glaze over > when I say the word "genealogy". they want copies of my results but don't > want > to hear how I got them....very sad. The work has been the journey of my > life... not a destination! But only brothers and sisters on these lists > can > understand: both trials and triumphs! What a ride it is! > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1958 - Release Date: 02/18/09 08:57:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Actually there's a book about this, believe it or not! Psychic Roots (by Henry Jones) is all about the influence of coincidence and serendipity on genealogical research, the chance combination of events over which the researcher has no control but which nevertheless guides him to a fortuitous discovery. Certainly chance or dumb luck sometimes leads us straight to a record kept in an improbable place, to an ancestor's second wife we didn't know anything about, and so on. Is it luck? Coincidence? Karen "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already tomorrow in Australia." Charles M. Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRUINSWOOD@aol.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com>; <personal@dorrit41jbd.bbmax.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Happy accidents! >I have had too many accidents, like Marilyn Arnold, a cousin from Wash, Dc > showing up at the same archive as me. (it was my first and only visit). I > now > think of them as "invisible" means of support as Joseph Campbell called > therm. > "If you follow your bliss (the actions you REALLY love) you will find like > minded people who are following their bliss, and unexpected WONDERS will > come to you, by invisible means! The happy, but things that seem too good > to be > an accident. Or maybe a lot of happy accidents you can't quite explain. > > But before people taking me for a "Kook", maybe faith plays a part! Divine > help, lucky accidents, or incredible good fortune... Just enjoy the > moment, > as we (who have brick walls) and know how it feels when one falls. Hurrah > for > you!! > > Mary in Oregon > > > My daughter Jameela has decided to help with England, so I now have a > student and best friend to do this with! My other family member's eyes > glaze over > when I say the word "genealogy". they want copies of my results but don't > want > to hear how I got them....very sad. The work has been the journey of my > life... not a destination! But only brothers and sisters on these lists > can > understand: both trials and triumphs! What a ride it is! > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Finding Mary and husband Bruce sitting at a table at the National Archives about 20 feet from me was just incredible! I saw that she had signed in a few lines above me and just gasped. We had never met and so neither of us knew what the other looked like. I talked w/3 staffers, and said my cousin from Oregon is here! They responded that there were many people of similar names. I said not that live on this street in this city in Oregon! I knew she was there -- somewhere! I had been headed off to the main MF reading room, but would take two steps and stop -- this happened several times. I just could not leave the main entry area. Then I turned around 180 degrees and walked straight up to this woman I'd never seen before and said -- are you Mary Powrie [last name]??? And ... she said yes. (The 3 staff people just had their jaws hanging wide open!) It was truly amazing! (She and I could not see each other from the sign in table). So .... things do happen for a reason! Marilyn Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRUINSWOOD@aol.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com>; <personal@dorrit41jbd.bbmax.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Happy accidents! >I have had too many accidents, like Marilyn Arnold, a cousin from Wash, Dc > showing up at the same archive as me. (it was my first and only visit). I > now > think of them as "invisible" means of support as Joseph Campbell called > therm. > "If you follow your bliss (the actions you REALLY love) you will find like > minded people who are following their bliss, and unexpected WONDERS will > come to you, by invisible means! The happy, but things that seem too good > to be > an accident. Or maybe a lot of happy accidents you can't quite explain. > > But before people taking me for a "Kook", maybe faith plays a part! Divine > help, lucky accidents, or incredible good fortune... Just enjoy the > moment, > as we (who have brick walls) and know how it feels when one falls. Hurrah > for > you!! > > Mary in Oregon > > > My daughter Jameela has decided to help with England, so I now have a > student and best friend to do this with! My other family member's eyes > glaze over > when I say the word "genealogy". they want copies of my results but don't > want > to hear how I got them....very sad. The work has been the journey of my > life... not a destination! But only brothers and sisters on these lists > can > understand: both trials and triumphs! What a ride it is! > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1958 - Release Date: 02/18/09 08:57:00

A few weeks ago I asked the List if anyone could advise me about the commercial sources of personal data (and received a lot of advice to leave them alone) in order to get some missing information on a relative. I had the date of his death, 1944, but did not know where he was buried or who in the way of family might be buried with him. Neglecting him for the time being I asked a cousin in Toronto to call at the office of a cemetery fairly close to him and find out when "un-named twins" were buried in a family grave I already know something about. He got this information and whatever else he could find on the record card and decided to look for the mother, a Dorward, not knowing that she had been born in Aberdeenshire, been recorded as Durward (as they tend to do there) and used that form of her surname all her life. So naturally her record was didn't turn up (she is in the family plot). So, thinking he had maybe got her first name wrong, he asked if there were any other Dorwards in the cemetery and was stunned to find that the missing man was buried in another part of the same cemetery as his sister. So I am one step down the road on that person. I have also recently traced another missing relative in Canada by a pure fluke. I got a copy of a very detailed obituary giving the married surnames of the lady's children and grandchildren. Two of the grandchildren have unusual surnames so I figured that it would be easier to single them out as there might only be two or three families. I looked at Canada411 (on-line telephone directory) and found only one entry in the whole of the country for one of them ... and with the right initial. I wrote to him/her and got an e-mail reply from her mother checking me out! After a short exchange of information it turned out I had got the right family and was put in touch with her grand-mother, the person I was looking for. This was thanks to two spelling errors. The Toronto "Globe & Mail" (or the undertaker) had spelt the surname wrongly in the obituary and Canada411 had made the same mistake in the grand-daughter's entry. But for these errors I would never have found this family. In this game you never know where the next bit of information will come from! Cheers, Bruce D