Try accessing through these connections the links are hi-lited in blue in the text. Anglo-Celtic Connections TNA podcast - tracing Scottish ancestors Posted: 06 Mar 2009 11:30 AM PST More Greater London cemeteries online Posted: 06 Mar 2009 09:57 AM PST > > Dear Arlene: > > I could not access either of these sites. Other suggestions? >

Dear Arlene: I could not access either of these sites. Other suggestions? Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Halme" <ahalme@shaw.ca> To: <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 2:51 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Tracing Scottish Ancestors - TNA podcast > Today's Anglo-Celtic Connections blog has two interesting items > > http://anglo-celtic-connections.blogspot.com/2009/03/tna-podcast- > tracing-scottish-ancestors.html > > This podcast presentation by Audrey Collins describes the records > held at The (UK) National Archives (TNA), some now available online > through cooperative digitization projects, that may have information > on Scottish ancestors. > > For Scottish ancestors who served with the UK government, be it in > the military (Army, Royal Navy, Air Force), merchant navy, coast > guard or customs and excise, TNA is the place to look for their > occupational records. > > Also mentioned are PCC wills, non-parochial records, out-bound and in- > bound passenger lists. > > Prisoner records from the 1745 rebellion, maps and images are also > covered. > > Not mentioned, because they are not held at TNA, are records of the > India Office and East India Company held at the British Library, and > records for the Hudson's Bay Company (also at Library and Archives > Canada) both of which recruited in Scotland. > > ALSO > > http://anglo-celtic-connections.blogspot.com/2009/03/four-greater- > london-boroughs-havering.html > > This is a pay for site but the search might be helpful anyway. > > Four Greater London Boroughs, Havering, Brent, Islington and Camden, > have added data at Deceased Online. > > > > Arlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1990 - Release Date: 03/08/09 17:17:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debwells3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, for the additional information. Since Sylvester listed angus co. when he was captured, that's where I feel his parents were from, also when he married in Virginia, he listed his religon as Quaker, but I feel he was a Quaker only after getting married. Alice's parents were Quakers. I will try the sources you listed,(Great information) Again, thank you so much. Debbie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: jacobites who were transported to America in 1716 had been part of the jacobite army (supporters of James Stuart the Pretender), and as many of them were Roman Catholic, their baptismal records would not be indexed. I would recommend a survey of where in Scotland the Profitt (various spellings) surname is found around 1700, and use that as a basis for surmise as to his place of birth. Sources such as the Register of the Pry Council of Scotland; Register of the Great Seal of Scotland, etc. A look at Black's "Surnames of Scotland" would suggest that the counties of Aberdeen down to Angus might be a fruitful area. Gordon Johnson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debwells3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is great. Thank you so much. I wish I had posted an inquiry 2 years ago, I could be a lot closer than I have been. I will check all this out. As I mentioned before, I just want his parents names and location of where he grew up so when I get to Scotland I can go there. Thank you so much for the info, it gives me hope I can solve his past. Living in the US makes it so hard to do reseach but hopefully when I get to Scotland I can get some answers. Debbie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ray7033 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Deb. The IGI has only 19 PROFIT etc entries in Perth plus the Sylvester ones which are all "sealed" by LDS members so not readable. Two males were born in the 1650s and may be parents of your Sylvester. It would be worth looking at the OPR Film for the time to see it, by chance Sylvester is named as a witness to another birth. The writing will be very different so you may need an expert - or a crash course - to be sure you get the import of the entries. The 11 Sylvester entries are all "sealed" by LDS members so not readable. There are 734 entries for PROFIT etc in Angus. One can't narrow the search down by dates and I haven't studied the whole list but there are many around 1690 so there are records! It might be worth your while firstly examining the list for clusters of the PROFIT surname in whatever parishes are listed for the time. Then secondly looking at the OPR films of the time [or getting an expert to do it: the writing will be very different!] again looking for witness names for births [if any]. You may with luck find a mention of your Sylvester before he left and with more luck a habitation name. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: robertbutchart68 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1120.1126/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have Margaret Moncur b1811 married Thomas Butchart b1809. Any help? Robert Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Debbie You will want to look at this web site (which includes 80 from Angus e.g Kirriemuir and Glamis: http://files.usgwarchives.org/md/statewide/immigration/scotamerica.txtShip On Ship In Prison Home Parish Home County # P Prison EA Prophet Silvester Profit Silvester Essie Angus 068 Preston The Jacobite army surrendered at Prestonon 14 November. The prisoners were confined in the church and fed on bread and water for a month, at the expense of the townspeople. Some were transferred to Lancaster Castle and some taken to Liverpool and tried. Around fifty died in prison. In December, four officers were shot and local volunteers were hanged at Preston, Garstang, Wigan Lancaster, Manchester and Liverpool http://www.scotwars.com/html/battle_of_preston_1715.htm According to a receipt given to the commissary general of the rebel prisoners, 639 prisoners were transported, but, for reasons unknown, only 636 were named in the manifest four of them Duncans. It should be noted that not all prisoners reached the destinations originally designated.http://www.clan-duncan.co.uk/prisoners.html This book should have some interesting background: Sankey, Margaret D. (Margaret Diane), 1974-. Jacobite prisoners of the 1715 rebellion : preventing and punishing insurrection in early Hanoverian Britain. Aldershot: Ashgate, 2005. xix, 176 p. ISBN 0754636313. The National Archives at Kew publish on their website a Guide to Jacobite Sources http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=87&j=1 Much of the material referred to relates to the '45 rather than the '15. Most of the material held by the Naional Library of Scotland also relates to the '45, including many of thee original sources for The Prisoners of the '45, edited by B G Seton and J G Arnot (Scottish History Society, 3rd series, vols XIII-XV, 1928-1929). The State Papers and the Baga de Sectretis have been microfilmed and may be available in Virginia. A PROFIT does appear for the '45 in David Dobson's 'The Jacobites of Angus Part Two': PROPHET, Thomas workman in Balmuckity, Kirriemuir, soldier of Ogilvy's Regiment 1745. His source is the 'Muster Roll of the Forfarshire or Lord Ogilvy's Regiment' by A Mackintosh - which source adds that Thomas returned 'Home', and that in turn is from the list drawn up by Ministers of those who surrendered their arms to them in an amnesty (originals in National Library of Scotland). In most cases 'workman' means a sub-tenant or labourer. all the best John

Today's Anglo-Celtic Connections blog has two interesting items http://anglo-celtic-connections.blogspot.com/2009/03/tna-podcast- tracing-scottish-ancestors.html This podcast presentation by Audrey Collins describes the records held at The (UK) National Archives (TNA), some now available online through cooperative digitization projects, that may have information on Scottish ancestors. For Scottish ancestors who served with the UK government, be it in the military (Army, Royal Navy, Air Force), merchant navy, coast guard or customs and excise, TNA is the place to look for their occupational records. Also mentioned are PCC wills, non-parochial records, out-bound and in- bound passenger lists. Prisoner records from the 1745 rebellion, maps and images are also covered. Not mentioned, because they are not held at TNA, are records of the India Office and East India Company held at the British Library, and records for the Hudson's Bay Company (also at Library and Archives Canada) both of which recruited in Scotland. ALSO http://anglo-celtic-connections.blogspot.com/2009/03/four-greater- london-boroughs-havering.html This is a pay for site but the search might be helpful anyway. Four Greater London Boroughs, Havering, Brent, Islington and Camden, have added data at Deceased Online. Arlene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debwells3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Again, thank you for giving me some places to check out. If you do run across anything on Sylvester, you can email me direct at debwells3@hotmail.com If I can return the favor and help you on any research, please let me know. Thanks, Debbie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If he was a Jacobite, there is a strong possibility that he and his family were not adherents of the Church of Scotland. Many Jacobites were Episcopalian, which helps to explain why their baptisms don't appear in the Church of Scotland registers (though it's not the only reason). However if he was captured at Preston, then it's possible that there could be something on him in the National Archives at Kew in London. Good luck! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debwells3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WOW, you've given me more information in your email than I've gotten in 3 years of searching the internet. Since I live in Virginia I have all his records from the time he arrived in 1716 on the boat the Elizabeth and Ann. He was a Jacobite and was captured in Preston and shipped out and I even have a copy of his will, from 1767. It's just so hard not to be able to connect him with anyone in Scotland. I've tried several of the sites you listed but no luck. I hope to come to Scotland in 3 years, maybe I can search records when I get there. I wish I did know someone that lived in Scotland that could do some research for me. I tried one but they only go back so far and weren't willing to search back to 1698. I just want to connect him with the names of his parents and where they lived, so when I get to Scotland I can walk on the same ground Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ah, yes. I have had a further look and all the entries in the IGI do refer to the same person, though there is a remarkable lack of unanimity about his date and place of birth, his date of marriage and even the exact date of his death, suggesting that much of the information in the IGI is guesswork. Only the year and place of his death seem to agree. The principal source of information about births in Scotland before 1855 is the registers of baptism kept by the Church of Scotland. Few of these survive from before 1700; there is a list of parishes, with the dates of surviving records, at http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/hlpsrch/opr-cov.html You can search the parish registers online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. However I am not hopeful of finding a baptism entry for your Silvester Prophet. A search of the online indexes returned no results. Other churches also kept baptismal registers, but very few, if any, have survived from the 17th century. Most of those which have survived are in the care of the National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk. On the Scotland's People site there are searchable indexes to wills and testaments, and there are a few Prophets listed, but no Silvester. All of them are testaments dative, which means that they are not wills written during the lifetime of the person who has died, so they are unlikely to contain extensive lists of beneficiaries There may be other sources which could shed light on Silvester Prophet in the National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk but most of these are not online and you would need to get a searcher familiar with the archives to look on your behalf, because the majority of these documents are not online. The online catalogue has 103 references to Silvester and 94 to Sylvester, none of them your Silvester Prophet, but by no means everything in the archives is in the online catalogue. You may also like to check the National Archives in London http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/. Again, to search there you would have to get someone to go on your behalf. If you have got back to around 1700, you have got much further back than most people with Scots ancestors. Unless Silvester was from a wealthy or landowning family, or had a criminal record, the likelihood of finding much information about him is small. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Page 28 Names (1790) Surnames Thomas Son to Thomas Templeman weaver in Buddon and his Spouse Isobel Crawford, was born Septr 25 Templeman Margt Daughter to Andrew Gibson weaver in Taymouth and his Spouse Margt Patoun, was born October 21 Gibson James Son to David Kable labourer Barrie and his Spouse Elizabeth Alexander, was born Novr 7 Kable Nanny Daughter to James Stephen mercht Barrie and his Spouse Mary Scott, was born Decr 9 Stephen Elizabeth Daughter to Wm Fyffe farmer Cruickhill and his Spouse Euphemia Fyffe, was born Decr 19 Fyffe Born this year Males 9 Females 13 In all 22 1791 William Son to John Patoun weaver Upper Morton and his Spouse jean Guild March 2 Patoun David Son to David Nicol barnman Balskellie and his Spouse Margret Heburn was born March 19 Nicol James Son to James Whitton weaver upper mostown and his Spouse Margaret Black was born May 1st Whitton James Son to James Findlay Clayholes and his Spouse Kathren Kable Baptized May 4 Findlay Alexr Son to Robert Rea weaver in Cowbyres and his Spouse Nanny Crawford was born May 14 Rea Willm Son to David Kyd shepherd in Budden and his Spouse Christian Turnbull was baptized May 15 Kyd Page 29 Names (1791) Surnames John Son to Alexander Strachen weaver Budden and his Spouse Grizel Scot was babtized June 12 Strachen Elspeth Daughter to Alexander Guild weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Jean Cairncross Born June 14 Guild Margt Daughter to James Watt weaver in Barrie and his Spouse Jean Philp was Born August 5 Watt Jean Daughter o the Revd David Sim Barrie and his Spouse Agnes Maul was Born Septr 3 Sim Thomas Son to George Cant taylor in Barry Muir and his Spouse Margaret Butchert was born Septr 21 Cant Betty Daughter to Robert Petrie weaver in Cowbyres and his Spouse Margaret Robertson was born Oct 2 Petrie Isobel Daughter to David Turnbul flax Dresser and Dayhouse and his Spouse Christian Johnston was born Oct 11 Turnbull Mary Daughter to Thomas Thomson day labourer at Carlungie and his Spouse Betty Ferrier was born Jean Daughter to John Coupar farmer Woodhill and his Spouse Ann Simson was born Oct 21 Coupar Jannet Daughter to Andrew Gibson weaver in Carnoustie and his Spouse Margaret Paton was born Oct 31 Gibson Margt /Jean Daughters to Willm Watson weaver in Cowbyres and his Spouse Ann Cairncross was born Nov 27 Watson David Son to Thomas Kyd farmer Ravensbay and his Spouse Margaret Anderson was baptized Decr 2 Kyd Andrew Son to Andrew Lowson farmer in the Point and his Spouse Ann Ramsay was born Decr 10 Lowson Born this year Males 10 Females 10 In all 20 Page 30 Names 1792 Surnames Alexr Son to James Rea weaver in Budden and his Spouse Barbara Templeman was born Febry 20 Rea Alexr Son to James Stephen merchant in Barrie and his Spouse Mary Scot was born July 3 Stephen David Son to William Scot weaver in Gedhall and his Spouse Ann Butchart was born July 16 Scot Ann Daughter to James Kyd day labourer in Carnousty and his Spouse Elizabeth Paterson born July 26 Kyd Elizabeth Daughter to David Dorward taylor in Barry Muir and his Spouse Ann Salmond was born August 20 Dorward James Son to Thomas Rea weaver in Day house and his Spouse Ann Gaudy was born August 23 Rea Andrew Son to William Sword weaver Barrie and his Spouse Margaret Rea was born Septr 12 Sword Elizabeth Daughter to David Small day labourer Elsinuer and his Spouse Helen Fairweather born Septr 14 Small Barb Daughter to Willm Templeman weaver in Budden and his Spouse Isabel Craford was born Novr 4 Templeman James Son to John Taylor shepherd in Day-house and his Spouse Jannet Espline was born Novr 16 Taylor Margt Daur to James Cruickshanks day labourer in Cot-side and his Spouse Euphemia Thomson was born Decr 2 Cruiks Magdalene Daughter to Willm Soutar weaver in Cow-park Cot-side and his Spouse Mary Blyth was born Decr 6 Soutar Thomas Son to Robert Colvil day labourer in Elsinuer and his Spouse Ann Niesh was born Decr 10 Colvil Page 30 Names (1792) Surnames Margt Daughter to Andrew Gibson taylor in Day-house and his Spouse Margaret Whitton was born Decr 17 Gibson Jean Daughter to John Paton weaver in Mostown and his Spouse Jean Guild was born Decr 19 Paton David Son to James Whitton weaver in Mostown and his Spouse Margret Black was born Decr 21 Whitton Born this year Males 8 Females 8 in all 16 1793 James Son to James Alexander shoemaker in Barry and his Spouse Mary Christy was born March 25 Alexander Barb Daughter to David Turnbull flax Dresser Day house and his Spouse Christian Johnston was born March 25 Turnbull James Son to Thomas Thomson servant to Mrs Morum Gedhall and his Spouse Betty Ferior was born April 15 Thomson Willm Son to James Findlay farmer in Clay-holes and his Spouse Kathren Kable was Babtized April 18 Findlay Magdalene Daughter to Robert Petrie weaver in Cowbyres and his Spouse Margaret Robertson was born May 8 Peatrie John Son to David Brown shoe-maker in Barry and his Spouse Jean Smith was born June 18 Brown John So to William Fife Cockily and his Spouse Euphemia Fife was born June 23 Fife Thomas Son to Thomas Kyd farmer Ravensby and his Spouse Margaret Anderson was born July 18 Kyd Willm Son to William McLiesh weaver in Barry Muir and his Spouse Jannet Louson was born August 1 McLiesh

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debwells3 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know he was born about 1698 in Perth or Angus Scotland came to America in 1716 and Married about 1722, had 7 children, one of whom is my ancester. Died in 1767 in Virginia. I'm trying to find his parents or brothers or sisters in Scotland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sweetcorgi Surnames: Moncur Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1120.1125.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Moncur research begins in the early 1800s and includes Perthshire and Forfarshire (Angus County). Your relevant information would be of interest. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you know anything about him other than his name? For example, when/where did he marry/have family/die? The International Genealogical Index has 17 references to Silvester Prophet under various spellings, though they may all be to the same person. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: debwells3 Surnames: Prophet, Proffitt Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5540/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on my ancestor Silvester (Sylvester) Prophet (Proffitt). I would like to know any information on his parents or if he had any brothers and sisters and any information on him from Scotland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Debbie1503 Surnames: Moncur Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1120.1125.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes I would like to learn more. Please email me at dahuntdix@aol.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hehb72 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5233.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Where is the Barclay side from? My last name is both Hampton-Barclay. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.