This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ray7033 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5544.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi "class54450" ... ... Which ones are "the people"? "ovington1_1" has listed two distinct Robert SOUTARs: one born c.1858 and one born c.1838. The latter one was a doctor who would better fit your original query except that his birth precedes the marriage by 17 years. The 1858 Robert was an unemployed painter in 1881 so could he have become a doctor? Possibly the older Robert was a cousin whom he followed into the medical profession in his 20s or even later. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Nivard: had a relative in the 5th North British Militia. According to an army website, the 5th was: 5th Ross, Sutherland, Shetland and Cromarty Militia and so you have a wide choice of where he may have been recruited!! Gordon Johnson.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CaledonC Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/158.224.228.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Gosh this thread has been on the go for a long time ! Graeme e mail me at CaledonC@aol.com aznd I will send a gedcom of my research Regards Colin in Crieff Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lanegd01 Surnames: mackay lane Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/158.224.228/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello there, The Harry you mention son of George Lane and Rachel Mackay is my Grandfather. The list of siblings you have is far longer than I remember. I had a great uncle Cecil who lived at Schofield NSW and Great Aunt Biddy who lived in Wollongong. I would be interested in any information you may have regards Graeme Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5544.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, thank you, these are the people. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5544.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi ???? A little info for you Name: Robt Souttar Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Thos Mother's Name: Margt Gender: Male Where born: Arbuthnott, Kincardineshr Registration Number: 250 Registration district: Arbuthnott Civil Parish: Arbuthnott County: Kincardineshire Address: Wairds ED: 3 Household schedule number: 40 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1861_34 Household Members: Name Age Thos Souttar 34 Farmer Of 210 Acres Emp 4 Men & Woman Gathue, Forfarshire Margt Souttar 36 Kingoldsum, Forfarshire Robt Souttar 3 Wm Clark 16 Ann Main 23 Jas Mowat 20 Christina Eadie 18 Parish: Arbuthnott; ED: 3; Page: 10; Line: 1; Roll: CSSCT1861_34; Year: 1861. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Robert Soutar Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Assistant Gender: Male Where born: Arbuthnot, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 229 Registration district: Meldrum Civil Parish: Meldrum Town: Old Meldrum County: Aberdeenshire Address: South Road Cromlet Bank Occupation: Asst. Genl. Medical Practitioner M. B. C. M. Aberdeen. University ED: 1 Household schedule number: 9 Line: 10 Roll: cssct1881_66 Household Members: Name Age James Wilson 45 Jane F Wilson 38 Robert Soutar 23 Aurora K Blackett 16 Alice G Blackett 10 Helen Fraser 40 Mary A Halliday 52 Annie Sandieson 20 John Howett 26 Parish: Meldrum; ED: 1; Page: 2; Line: 10; Roll: cssct1881_66; Year: 1881. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Robert Soutar Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Marie M Gender: Male Where born: Arbuthnott, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 312 Registration district: Montrose Civil Parish: Montrose County: Angus Address: 1 Chapel Street Occupation: General Puactitioner ED: 16 Household schedule number: 77 Line: 19 Roll: CSSCT1891_104 Household Members: Name Age Robert Soutar 33 Marie M Soutar 31 Maria MacDonald 25 Margaret Reid 18 James Black 19 Parish: Montrose; ED: 16; Page: 10; Line: 19; Roll: CSSCT1891_104; Year: 1891. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Name: Robert Soutar Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary W Gender: Male Where born: Arburthorott, Kincardineshire Registration Number: 312 Registration district: Montrose Civil Parish: Montrose Town: Montrose County: Angus Address: Castlested Occupation: Medical Man (regisld) ED: 9 Household schedule number: 27 Line: 6 Roll: CSSCT1901_112 Household Members: Name Age Robert Soutar 43 Mary W Soutar 41 Alexander Forbes 58 Grant Fisher 12 Earnest J Fisher 11 James M Cowie 25 Elizabeth Clark 24 Isabella Balfour 21 Parish: Montrose; ED: 9; Page: 5; Line: 6; Roll: CSSCT1901_112; Year: 1901. NJO Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Ray7033 Surnames: Soutar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5544.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In the 1881 Census a Margaret SOUTAR, widow, aged 57 is living at 13 Church St, Dundee. With her she has an unmarried daughter, Euphemia aged 25, seamstress, blind and an unmarried son, Robert aged 23 [i.e. born 1858-ish], an unemployed painter. The ages and mother's name are right but the son's occupation doesn't look hopeful as a precursor to becoming a doctor. There are no other likely Robert SOUTARs in the 1881 Census for the Scottish Highlands. If Thomas and Margaret were married in 1855 in Angus, you should be able to get their marriage certificate from Scotland's People to get their parents' names. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Soutar, Leighton Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5544/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for additional information on the above couple. They had one child that I know of; namely, Robert b. abt. 1858. He went on to become a doctor and married a Mary/Marie W. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Doreen Thanks for yours My problem at the moment is that I have nothing to link the David COOK in Aberdeen to my g.g.grandmother, there is no knowledge or history of any military connection, but there again there is no history *period* :-( It seems a huge leap of faith from an 1800 baptism in Aberdeen to my g.g.grandmothers reputed birthplace of Dundee in 1802, the only connecting factor is the names of David COOK and Jane STEEL There is also the chance that Dundee was the next place he was stationed The only thing going for the connection is that to my surprise David COOK appears to be not to common a name, I would have thought there would be thousands but not so it seems I will see if I can find anything on this Militia that the David belonged to, at least a sergeant has more chance of being found than your average squaddie Nothing surprises me anymore in genealogy so will see what I can find Appreciate your input Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Nivard, the fact that this David Cook was in the army, and living in barracks, indicates that he was probably not from Aberdeen, but merely stationed there, so he could still well be from Dundee. Doreen Cuthbert Fife

Nivard, the fact that this David Cook was in the army, and living in barracks, indicates that he was probably not from Aberdeen, but merely stationed there, so he could still well be from Dundee.   Doreen Cuthbert Fife --- On Sat, 21/3/09, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Jean COOK b1802 Dundee To: ANGUS@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, 21 March, 2009, 3:43 PM Hi all Further to my last post on the COOK - STEEL saga Still seeking my g.g.grandmother Jean/Jane COOK b1802 Dundee, parents David COOK & Jane STEEL The baptism for a David COOK in 1800 Aberdeen with parents David COOK and Jane STEEL looked promising as a possible sibling to Jean but having obtained it I am not convinced It reads :- 1800 December Third David COOK Sergeant in the Fifth Regiment of the North British Militia and Jean STEEL his wife had a son born named David; Baptised by the Rev'd. Dr. George GORDON in presence of Serg't. KIRK and David LAWSON of the foresaid Regiment lying in the Barracks here Using a search for any COOKs baptised or born in Aberdeen I find only 50 between 1700 & 1854 and none show any connection to a David COOK and Jane or Jean of any sort never mind STEEL except the one above One question that someone may be able to answer, there are two entries for a David COOK, one very close to the baptism I mention above, they show in the index as follows :- 6 07/12/1800 COOK DAVID DAVID COOK/FRMRV27-P59 U Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image 7 03/12/1800 COOK DAVID DAVID COOK/JEAN STEEL M Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 0085 No 6 shows with no image or mother, anyone know if theres anything to be gleaned from the code FRMRV27-P59 ? Using a search of COOKs baptised or born in Dundee I find less than 50 between 1750 and 1854 but no obvious connected COOKs or STEELs A baptism for a Jane STEEL (wrong parents but I was prepared to look at it) does not appear within the OPRs , it was a Patron submission though So still none the wiser Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Dear all > > New to this list but not rootsweb or research :-) > > I confess I have long overlooked my g.g.grandmothers roots and would very > much like to make some inroads into her origins > > My g.g.grandmother was Jean COOK b1802 Dundee according to the census of > 1851, 61 & 71 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: htx46a09 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1838.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Diane, you sound as nutty as your mother. I was on that trip with your brother and no way was it possible for us to be intimate with any of the girls. Hope this helps. LOL Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Page 35 Names (1795) Surnames David Son to Robert Petrie Cowbyres and his Spouse Margaret Robertson was Baptized July 26 Petrie Susan Daughter to David Robertson weaver ground of Carnousty and his Spouse Barb Paton was Bapd July 30 Robertson Ann Daughter to Thomas Rea weaver in Deyhouse and his Spouse Margt Fairweather Bapd Augt 10 Rea David Son to David Brown shoemaker Barry and his Spouse Jean Smith was Bapd Novr 5 Brown Willm Son to David Fairweather smith Barry and his Spouse Isabel Cairy was Babtized Decr 6 Fairweather David Son to John Paton Upper Mostown and his Spouse Jean Guild was born Decr 13 Paton Eliza Daughter to James Findlay Clayholes and his Spouse Katharine Kable was born Decr 28 Findlay Males 6 Females 10 In all Born this year 16 1796 Alexr Son to David Smith barnman Balskellie and his Spouse Jean Molleson was Born Jany 3 Smith Robert Son to James Whitton Balwindrie and his Spouse Margaret Black was Baptized Jany 6 Whitton Willm Son to John Smith shepherd Carnoustie and his Spouse Jannet Gordon was Baptized Febry 17 Smith George Son to David Whitton weaver Mostown and his Spouse Janet Paton was Baptized Feby 20 Whitton Willm Son to Andrew Louson farmer Point and his Spouse Ann Ramsey was Born Febry 22 Louson Ann Daughter to James Rea weaver Budden and his Spouse Barbara Templeman was born March 17 Rea Page 36 Names (1796) Surnames James Son to John Dice barnman grange Barrie and his Spouse Elizabeth Maleum was Born April 17 Dice Margt Daughter to Thomas Kyd farmer Ravensby and his Spouse Margaret Anderson was Born April 18 Kyd Thomas Son to Andrew Gibson taylor in Deyhouse and his Spouse Margaret Whitton was Born May 9 Gibson Willm Son to Alexander Graham flaxdresser Deyhouse and his Spouse Agnes Whitton was Baptized May 22 Graham Mary Daughter to James Cruickshanks servant Cottside and his Spouse Elspeth Thomson was baptized June 5 Cruickshanks Willm Son to William Templeman weaver in Budden and his Spouse Isabel Crawford was Baptized July 3 Templeman David Son to David Ferior cowbyres and his Spouse May Paterson was Born August 4 Ferior Elizabeth Daughter to Robert Scott shoemaker Barrie hill and his Spouse Elisabeth Herald was born August 21 Scott Agnes Daughter to David Scott weaver in Cowbyres and his Spouse Marget Christie was Born August 30 Scott Elizabeth Daughter to Alexander Hog servant Gedhall and his Spouse Jannet Smith was Born Septr 17 Hog Barb Daughter to Alxr Mcliesh weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Jean Crawford was Born Octr 15 Mcliesh Eliza Daughter to James Staphen merchant Barrie and his Spouse Mary Scott was Born Octr 21 Staphen Jannet Daughter to David Trumbel flax dresser Deyhouse and his Spouse Christian Johnstone Born Novr 17 Trumbel Males 10 Females 9 In all Born this year 19 1797 Page 37 Names (1797) Surnames Agnes Daughter to David Crawford budden and his Spouse Elizabeth Lindsay was Born Janry 5 Crawford James Son to John Coupar weaver in ground of woodhill and his Spouse Ann Simpson was Born Janry 27 Watson John Son to William Watson weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Barbara Cairncross was Born Janry 27 Watson Barb Daughter to Alexander Guild weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Jean Cairncross was baptized Febry 12 Guild Charles Son to John Mckay day labourer Barrie and his Spouse Rachel Cooper was Born Febry 17 Mckay Robert Son to James Alexander shoemaker upper Mill and his Spouse Mary Chrystie Born Febry 22 Alexr George Son to Thomas Rea weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Margaret Fairweather was Baptized March 17 Rea Mary Daughter to George Archer weaver Crookhill and his Spouse Isabel Fife was Born March 17 Archer Willm Son to Robert Nicol weaver Barrie and his Spouse Isabel Anderson was Born March 30 Nicol Maidy Daughter to James Scott wright Deyhouse and his Spouse Elizabeth Brown was Born April 20 Scott Andrew Son to Andrew Gibson weaver Taymouth and his Spouse Margargret Paton was Born June 12 Gibson Barb Daughter to Robert Petrie weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Margaret Robertson was Baptized Augt 6 Petrie Agnes Daughter to David Whitton weaver Mostoun and his Spouse Jannet Paton was Baptized Augt 27 Whitton Margt Daughter to George Gerand miller Upper Mill and his Spouse Jannet Fife was Born August 20 Gerand David Son to Andrew Airth smith Barrie and his Spouse Margaret Kyd was Born Septr 6 Airth Eliza Daughter to Andrew Louson farmer Point and his Spouse Ann Ramsay was Born Octr 10 Louson

Hi Catherine Many thanks for that May I ask if they charged for the search please? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > Hello Nivard, > > Yes, I had a search made for family who lived in Dundee. Contact Iain > Flett at archives@dundeecity.gov.uk. It is a head of household census > and then lists number of males and number of females. None of mine listed > occupation.. > > Catherine

Hi all Further to my last post on the COOK - STEEL saga Still seeking my g.g.grandmother Jean/Jane COOK b1802 Dundee, parents David COOK & Jane STEEL The baptism for a David COOK in 1800 Aberdeen with parents David COOK and Jane STEEL looked promising as a possible sibling to Jean but having obtained it I am not convinced It reads :- 1800 December Third David COOK Sergeant in the Fifth Regiment of the North British Militia and Jean STEEL his wife had a son born named David; Baptised by the Rev'd. Dr. George GORDON in presence of Serg't. KIRK and David LAWSON of the foresaid Regiment lying in the Barracks here Using a search for any COOKs baptised or born in Aberdeen I find only 50 between 1700 & 1854 and none show any connection to a David COOK and Jane or Jean of any sort never mind STEEL except the one above One question that someone may be able to answer, there are two entries for a David COOK, one very close to the baptism I mention above, they show in the index as follows :- 6 07/12/1800 COOK DAVID DAVID COOK/FRMRV27-P59 U Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 No Image 7 03/12/1800 COOK DAVID DAVID COOK/JEAN STEEL M Aberdeen ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/A00 0100 0085 No 6 shows with no image or mother, anyone know if theres anything to be gleaned from the code FRMRV27-P59 ? Using a search of COOKs baptised or born in Dundee I find less than 50 between 1750 and 1854 but no obvious connected COOKs or STEELs A baptism for a Jane STEEL (wrong parents but I was prepared to look at it) does not appear within the OPRs , it was a Patron submission though So still none the wiser Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Dear all > > New to this list but not rootsweb or research :-) > > I confess I have long overlooked my g.g.grandmothers roots and would very > much like to make some inroads into her origins > > My g.g.grandmother was Jean COOK b1802 Dundee according to the census of > 1851, 61 & 71

Hello Nivard, Yes, I had a search made for family who lived in Dundee. Contact Iain Flett at archives@dundeecity.gov.uk. It is a head of household census and then lists number of males and number of females. None of mine listed occupation.. Catherine --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: [ANGUS] Dundee 1801 census index > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 4:24 AM > Good day all > > I have found reference to a surviving 1801 census index for > Dundee > > I wondered if anyone had either used it or has access to it > (says he > wishfully :-) > > I would assume that it is a head of household index only > but some I have > seen also give occupation > > I am seeking a David COOK, recorded as Foreman on the death > reg of his > daughter Jean SMITH nee COOK all known records indicate > born in Dundee in > 1802 > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: IScott Surnames: Scott Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2814.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am aware of a couple of individuals named Lady Jane Scott This info is from http://thepeerage.com/p1074.htm#i10736 and http://thepeerage.com/p1457.htm#i14564 - the first was Lady Jane Scott by marriage -- she was Lady Jane Douglas who was born on 24 May 1701 at London, England. She was the daughter of James Douglas, 2nd Duke of Queensberry and Mary Boyle. She married Sir Francis Scott, 2nd Duke of Buccleuch. The second is within the same line being Lady Jane Scott who was christened on 13 February 1628/29. She was the daughter of Walter Scott, 1st Earl of Buccleuch and Lady Mary Hay.1 A contract for the marriage of Lady Jane Scott and John Hay, 1st Marquess of Tweeddale was signed on 24 September 1644. She died circa November 1688.1 Her married name became Hay. Children of Lady Jane Scott and John Hay, 1st Marquess of Tweeddale. * Lady Jane Hay d. Jul 1729 * Lady Jean Hay d. 1731 * Lady Margaret Hay d. 22 Jan 1753 * John Hay, 2nd Marquess of Tweeddale b. 1645, d. 20 Apr 1713 * Lord David Hay b. c 1656, d. Dec 1726 These family lines - include the current Duke of Buccleuch and Queensbery (who is Chief of Clan Scott) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Scott,_10th_Duke_of_Buccleuch For information on Clan Scott Gathering 2009 check out the Duke's website http://www.bowhill.org/public/news/homecoming20091 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Good day all I have found reference to a surviving 1801 census index for Dundee I wondered if anyone had either used it or has access to it (says he wishfully :-) I would assume that it is a head of household index only but some I have seen also give occupation I am seeking a David COOK, recorded as Foreman on the death reg of his daughter Jean SMITH nee COOK all known records indicate born in Dundee in 1802 Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)

Dear Nivard, On family research there is a David COOK chr 3 Dec 1800 in Aberdeen, Aberseen parents David COOK and Jean STEEL> Could be their son. I did a parent search. on them. Also there is a Jane STEEL born 18 Feb 1799 Dundee, Angus Scot. Jane is the same as Jean in Scotland. The ages in the census could be wrong, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <ANGUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Jean COOK b1802 Dundee > Dear all > > New to this list but not rootsweb or research :-) > > I confess I have long overlooked my g.g.grandmothers roots and would very > much like to make some inroads into her origins > > My g.g.grandmother was Jean COOK b1802 Dundee according to the census of > 1851, 61 & 71 > > She married Alexander William SMITH b1810 Lesmahagow LNK > > She is with Alexander in Abbotsford Place Gorbals in 1841 enumerated born > out of County > > In 1851 they are at 273 Sauchiehall Street Glasgow her place of birth For, > Dundee > > In 1861 they are at Crofthead House Cathcart , Dundee Co. Forfar > > in 1871 again at Crofthead House born Forfarshire, Dundee > > On her death registration in 1875 it gives her father as David COOK , > foreman (dec) and mother as Jane COOK ms STEEL (dec) > > I have not found a birth/baptism for her in either the IGI or > scotlandspeople > > Any suggestions anyone please? > > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1995 - Release Date: 03/11/09 08:28:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: backbeach35 Surnames: Scott, Wallace/Wallis, Johnson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2814.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have Lady Jane Farquharson Scott born in London in the late 1700's who married Thomas Wallis/Wallace who was born in Scotland. They married in 1820 in London Jane is said to be decended from Ann Scott, Countess of Buccleuch in her own right. I don't know if this is of any use. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Margaret And thank you , yes I had seen those but did wonder at the location, right side of the coast but a way up from Dundee, all I have for her fathers occupation is as given at her death as foreman, but of what I don't know? Fishing industry perhaps? My Jean gives her place of birth as Dundee throughout, it could be wrong if she perhaps moved early in life from Aberdeen but it does seem to be stretching things Her age I think is correct, she was eight years older than her husband and did nothing to hide that so if she were a few years older would that make any difference to her? I don't think so and if born 1799 she would be getting on a bit for her third at 42ish (says he the son of a 44 year old Mum but mine had some practice in as I am the tenth she had, she obviously realised what was causing the problem then as I am the last :-) There is a Jane COOK b1798 a servant born in Aberdeen in the 1851 census but the Ancestry transcript does not have the marital status so I cannot tell if she is unmarried, a widow or what I do know of the Jean/Jane naming in Scotland, I should do as I was raised by one Jean and married another :-) Appreciate your input Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Dear Nivard, On family research there is a David COOK chr 3 Dec 1800 in > Aberdeen, Aberseen parents David COOK and Jean STEEL> Could be their > son. > I did a parent search. on them. Also there is a Jane STEEL born 18 Feb > 1799 > Dundee, Angus Scot. Jane is the same as Jean in Scotland. The ages in > the census could be wrong, Margaret