Hi Alistair Others have already said the same things that I was going to but one that I don't think has been mentioned is your non responding back ups Have you tried them in other computers? I have found that some media can be finicky in that it will not open on one PC but will on another, worth a try When you get round to it do use the Ancestry census transcriptions as it can cut down the unnecessary expense on scotlandspeople Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I hope this is the right department. If not, silence will confirm it. About >a year ago faced with brick walls in four families, and getting back no >further than the early 1700's, I decided to give it a rest. Some three >months ago after a computer crash in which I lost my entire family tree >programme and all family data, not even being able to view my carefully >preserved CD back ups, I was tempted to scrub the lot, but after following >some threads in this group a spark of enthusiasm was raised. I bought the >latest Family Tree

Hi, Where I live, near the Bellevue Washington USA LDS Center (FHC) if I rent a film 3 times, it stays there forever. I've single handedly over the last 10 years filled some shelving with them. :) I just never know when I'll need them again, so seldom let them leave. Also, others can use them freely once they're in permanent storage. Jim Bundy PS - I'm a volunteer there Saturday mornings, try to assist visitors (patrons) as best I can. I'm not LDS, but sure appreciate what they've done for the rest of us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com>; "Angus Roots Web" <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Try again? >> Just to be crystal clear, I was not advocating using the >> transcript on its >> own, far from it >> Its imperative to check the original page (which is itself a >> transcript >> unfortunately up to 1901) > > Most main libraries in Scotland have microfilms of the original > enumeration books, which you can check free of charge. > > I appreciate that this isn't much use if you don't live in > Scotland, or can't make the journey to the library which holds > the films you want to see, but you can order them for a small > fee to see at any Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Church Family > History Centre. Lists of FHCs at www.familysearch.org > >> No I was suggesting using the Ancestry census transcript to >> find the right >> family before buying the image from scotlandspeople > Excellent advice, but it might be even cheaper hiring the whole > film at an LDS FHC. This has the additional advantage that you > can browse the entire book, which may turn up other interesting > bits of information that you wouldn't get if you just download > an image from SP. > >> Using scotlandspeople on its own can be a frustrating and >> expensive business > Indeed. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date: 04/05/09 10:54:00

Hello Everyone A relative has been sharing with me a treasure trove of old photographs, papers and letters saved by an auntie of ours (born Alloa 1848). Several letters written during the 1800s were written from "Delvine Home Farm, Dunkeld" and I set about to see if I could locate it. Although unsuccessful I did see that Google noted several addresses, even now, included the wording "Home Farm" - and so I wonder, does that phrase have a particular meaning ? Anyone know ? Much obliged Barbara Neish Bermuda

Alistair Macdonald wrote: >I hope this is the right department. If not, silence will confirm it. About a year ago faced with brick walls in four families, and getting back no further than the early 1700's, I decided to give it a rest. Some three months ago after a computer crash in which I lost my entire family tree programme and all family data, not even being able to view my carefully preserved CD back ups, I was tempted to scrub the lot, but after following some threads in this group a spark of enthusiasm was raised. I bought the latest Family Tree Maker programme and was rewarded with a three month's free trial of Ancestry. If I decide to restart my searches I know that when signed on, Scotland's People will show me with over 100 credits, Everything seems to be in my favour, but where do I start? Try again in the BDM departments; engage in more battles with LDS family search, or go back to my listed genealogy sites? Or where? > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > (1) Invest in (a) one or more USB data pens (b) an external hard drive, and investigate some of the "on-line backup" solutions on offer. (2) Get into the habit of taking multiple backups of data on different media. If possible store these at different locations from the main computer. (3) Once the data has been discovered, make printouts of as much of it as possible on paper. Paper is an archive medium with a rather longer proven history than any digital medium. (4) Regularly review (1) to (3) in case changes in technology render any part of the equation obsolete. I first came into contact with microcomputers around 1980, and I can think of around 10 different types of physical media used for data storage , which have since then become obsolete, and are now readable (if at all) only by hardware in museums. Gavin Bell

yes, got it....hey, what wonderful maps...a new site to explore...thanks lIz On Apr 5, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Pete Duff wrote: > Liz, > > There is a "Kirkstyle of Kinfauns" on the parish map at > > http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/2nd_ed_list.html > > Click on the "Sheet 48 - Perth" link > > Kinfauns is one of the gray color-coded parishes on the south-central > part > of the map. > > As you zoom-in looking for the parish, you should find > > "Kirkstyle of Kinfauns" just to the left of the "K" of the KINFAUNS > parish > map label. > > Pete > > > >> the burial record for JEAN CHALMERS NICOLL 1847 age 82 says "at >> Kirkstyle" Kinfauns. I cannot seem to identify "Kirkstyle" .tried >> gazetteers and Statistical accounts to no avail. >> >> does anyone know what this might have been? >> >> thanks Liz of BC Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Liz, There is a "Kirkstyle of Kinfauns" on the parish map at http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/2nd_ed_list.html Click on the "Sheet 48 - Perth" link Kinfauns is one of the gray color-coded parishes on the south-central part of the map. As you zoom-in looking for the parish, you should find "Kirkstyle of Kinfauns" just to the left of the "K" of the KINFAUNS parish map label. Pete > the burial record for JEAN CHALMERS NICOLL 1847 age 82 says "at > Kirkstyle" Kinfauns. I cannot seem to identify "Kirkstyle" .tried > gazetteers and Statistical accounts to no avail. > > does anyone know what this might have been? > > thanks Liz of BC Canada

Alistair, In recent years on line data available has come on by leaps and bounds, so this is a good time to be starting again. Scotlands People store all the records you have ever viewed, in my case more than I care to tell my husband about, but if you go back and look at your viewed images you can find a lot of information. Did you make any contact with any specific people. Maybe a request giving some specific details will get you some responses, and if other listers are in a position to send you gedcom files, you might be able to build up your tree quite quickly. Ancestry now has all the UK census records, so it's well worth spending some time on, especially if you are getting it free for a while. Do bear in mind that that for the Scottish census records they don't have any images, and some of the transcriptions are not very reliable, so think creatively about how you might look for a name. Good Luck Doreen Cuthbert --- On Sun, 5/4/09, Alistair Macdonald <alistair.macdonald@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Alistair Macdonald <alistair.macdonald@btinternet.com> > Subject: [ANGUS] Try again? > To: "Angus Roots Web" <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 3:40 PM > I hope this is the right department. If not, silence will > confirm it. About a year ago faced with brick walls in four > families, and getting back no further than the early > 1700's, I decided to give it a rest. Some three months > ago after a computer crash in which I lost my entire family > tree programme and all family data, not even being able to > view my carefully preserved CD back ups, I was tempted to > scrub the lot, but after following some threads in this > group a spark of enthusiasm was raised. I bought the latest > Family Tree Maker programme and was rewarded with a three > month's free trial of Ancestry. If I decide to restart > my searches I know that when signed on, Scotland's > People will show me with over 100 credits, Everything seems > to be in my favour, but where do I start? Try again in the > BDM departments; engage in more battles with LDS family > search, or go back to my listed genealogy sites? Or where? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Alistair > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

the burial record for JEAN CHALMERS NICOLL 1847 age 82 says "at Kirkstyle" Kinfauns. I cannot seem to identify "Kirkstyle" .tried gazetteers and Statistical accounts to no avail. does anyone know what this might have been? thanks Liz of BC Canada

I hope this is the right department. If not, silence will confirm it. About a year ago faced with brick walls in four families, and getting back no further than the early 1700's, I decided to give it a rest. Some three months ago after a computer crash in which I lost my entire family tree programme and all family data, not even being able to view my carefully preserved CD back ups, I was tempted to scrub the lot, but after following some threads in this group a spark of enthusiasm was raised. I bought the latest Family Tree Maker programme and was rewarded with a three month's free trial of Ancestry. If I decide to restart my searches I know that when signed on, Scotland's People will show me with over 100 credits, Everything seems to be in my favour, but where do I start? Try again in the BDM departments; engage in more battles with LDS family search, or go back to my listed genealogy sites? Or where? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Alistair

I have been doing a lot of research in Scotland. If you can give me the exact spelling I can post to my Scotland Board and sure I will get some accurate feedback. If it was Ireland I might have to dig a little deeper. Barbara On Apr 5, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Barbara Neish wrote: > Hello Everyone > > A relative has been sharing with me a treasure trove of old > photographs, papers and letters saved by an auntie of ours (born > Alloa 1848). Several letters written during the 1800s were written > from "Delvine Home Farm, Dunkeld" and I set about to see if I could > locate it. Although unsuccessful I did see that Google noted several > addresses, even now, included the wording "Home Farm" - and so I > wonder, does that phrase have a particular meaning ? > > Anyone know ? > Much obliged > Barbara Neish > Bermuda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I wonder if it is logical to assume that a family found in Banff, 1750+ would then move to Dundee? or at least the female for a Dundee marriage in 1785? strangely, I had begun to think that once in Dundee, always from Dundee, but am finding something different, of course. First, I believe that THOMAS NICOLL, said to be born Rhynd, was my ancestor with the rest of the his descendents in Dundee to 1901 and beyond and secondly, I am wondering if CHALMERS family of Banff, became my JEAN CHALMERS who married Thomas Nicoll 1785 in Dundee. Everything "fits" so well, such that Jean/Jane Chalmers born in 1760 was child of "James Chalmers and a wife JEAN REID....so began the use of "Reid" as a second given name for 3 or more generations of Nicolls?? [no other evidence of Reid yet] The very hard-to-read marriage entry has her father as "Jas"? Jean Chalmers Nicoll died 1847 age 87, at Kirkstyle, Kinfauns, Perthshire, and burial entry confirmed her spouse as 'THOMAS NICOLL, Blockmaker, Dundee" [who could ask for more?] I cannot find Jean Chalmers Nicoll [likely Jane] in 1841 yet because I doubt she was in Dundee after the death of her husband in January 1841 [how dare he die before the census was taken?] any tips here? thanks Liz of BC Canada

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gorthydrum Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5551/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was in touch with a Tom Cairnie some time ago and lost contact. I would very much like to be in contact with him again as I believe we are connected. If anyone can help I would be grateful. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

yes indeed, ScotlandsPeople is expensive but what a wonderful resource of images!! I "did" Angus genealogy in 1980s before computers and what a difference today...so, altho expensive, not as expensive as a trip overseas! [that too shall come for Scotland in my future]...I can remember waiting the mail even for negative responses, then starting over again..now I am impatient if ScotlandsPeople is a few extra seconds in downloading...and I am also re-doing things I found in 1980s..."why did that name sound so familiar?" ha. reinforces my belief tho that I have found the correct families. thanks for all the helpful comments on this thread, Liz of BC Canada On Apr 5, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Anne > > Just to be crystal clear, I was not advocating using the transcript on > its > own, far from it > > Its imperative to check the original page (which is itself a transcript > unfortunately up to 1901) > > No I was suggesting using the Ancestry census transcript to find the > right > family before buying the image from scotlandspeople > > Using scotlandspeople on its own can be a frustrating and expensive > business > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > >>> When you get round to it do use the Ancestry census >>> transcriptions as it can >>> cut down the unnecessary expense on scotlandspeople >> >> But make a mental note to check the originals anyway because >> transcriptions can and do contain errors. I have not used the >> Ancestry ones, but I have heard about lots of transcription >> errors, so don't take anything you find there as gospel. >> >> Anne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you've done it once, you can do it again and it should be easier and quicker based on your earlier experiences. Like any genealogy, start with yourself and what you know and work backwards. You will probably be surprised at what you actually remember from before. Maybe not exact dates and such, but names will jump out at you quicker, etc. Then come back to this list (if, indeed, you had ancestors from Angus) and post your queries. You probably will be delighted with the prompt and helpful information you receive. Post to any other lists that cover the areas your people lived. Don't forget to check rootsweb for surname lists, too. Don't forget to check the mailing list archives, especially if you posted to any of them yourself. Maybe we all should consider doing more complete postings--they may well someday serve as a form of back up for our information! And thank you for the reminder that we should all be keeping back-up records. I have a lot of old information on 3.5" floppies that I don't seem to be able to open any more. Plus, my next computer probably will not even have a slot for them, as I think I paid extra on this one to have that capability. It isn't just the information that we collect on our families--much of the pleasure of doing genealogy is in the process. That's why many of us, once we have hit our brick walls, continue to volunteer to help all our friends, just because we enjoy doing the research. So relax and enjoy the journey--even if you've seen some of the scenery before. Irene, in Michigan **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Stewart, Adamson, Fyffe. Watt Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5550/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone have any information on the above couple? Children: Charles b. 1827 James b. 1829 m. Ann Watt in 1851 and had 9 children Robert b. 1833 Peter b. 1834 Susan b. 1836 m. George Adamson Fyffe in 1852 and had 9 children that I know of. Charles, Robert and Peter (may) have died early in census records. I have no knowledge of either's parentage. In 1841 census James was a handloom weaver in Kirriemuir. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

It would help if we knew what William's occupation was. This would have been given in the census. By the period you are interested in this part of the Parish of Barry was part of the relatively new town of Carnoustie. There was a large textile factory and next to it a "Vitriol Factory" (sulphuric acid ... I have no idea where the raw material came from or what it was used for in this area!) at the Barry end. While Burnside Street (N-S) is close enough to the textile factory (especially, maybe Mill Cottage was associated with it), Maule Street (E-W) is mainly sufficiently far away to suggest a resident might be employed elsewhere, not that Carnoustie, even now, is such a big place that one could not live at one end and walk to work at the other. I have a notion that Carnoustie also had a footwear factory at one time but I am not certain about that. Burnside St or the west end of Maule St would have been a convenient place to live in relation to where I think the footwear factory was located. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> To: <ANGUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: [ANGUS] DREW family of Barry ?? > > I wonder if any one could help with any info as to why a family from > Ross, Herefordshire would move to Barry, Angus c 1889- 1890 ?? and > settle there for over 10 years ?? > > In the 1891 census for Barry, William and Alice DREW and 4 children > were living at Burnside St .Barry. In 1901 census they'd had 2 more > children and lived at Maule St Mill Cottage. Barry > > > Their 2nd daughter Edith married in Glasgow in 1910 . Migrated to > Sydney in 1915 . Her parents and siblings already living in Sydney > > They must have swum here as their voyage to Australia not in > Findmypasts data base ! > > > Many thanks > > Bye > > MargM > Beautiful NSW Central Coast > NSW > Australia > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00

thanks for the tips and info Anne, I think I have been really lucky so far in the Dundee records, liz On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:31 PM, Anne Burgess wrote: >> i have a marriage record for Dundee 1808 for JAMES PRESTON >> and ANN >> MCDONALD it goes on to say "...in p. of Glammis"... >> does this mean the actual marriage was performed in Glamis? >> even tho >> the record was in Dundee? proclamation in Dundee? can >> someone >> interpret this for me? > > When a couple about to get married lived in different parishes, > the banns were proclaimed in both parishes. If the > record-keeping is good, this generates two records of the > proclamation, so that it looks as if the couple were married > twice, once in each parish. > > What this means is that at the time when their banns were > called, James Preston was living in Dundee and Ann McDonald in > Glamis. > > It does not tell you where (i.e. in which parish) the actual > ceremony was performed. It was customary for the wedding > ceremony to be held in the bride's parents' home (not, as a > rule, in the kirk), or, if she was working a long way from home > or had no parents living, in the manse in her parish of > residence. > >> unfortunately, the record does not have "Ann McDonald's" >> father's name. > The majority of the pre-1855 records of proclamation of banns > don't include information about the couple's parents. I never > expect to find that information, and I regard it as a bonus if > it does say who one or more of the parents were. > >> and I cant seem to find on igi or ScotlandsPeople any children >> of this >> couple ... > There could be any number of reasons for this > - the baptism was performed in a different denomination (Roman > Catholic, Episcopalian, Free Kirk etc) > - the parents omitted to have the child baptised > - the parents did not have the baptism recorded (there was > sometimes a fee for this which poor parents could not afford) > - the session clerk neglected to write down the record > - the page with the record has been defaced or destroyed > - the ink was of poor quality and has faded to the point of > illegibility > - the register has not survived at all. > and so on. > >> I tried to download the >> death cert and it wont open on my computer...says "file is >> corrupted" > If you contact Scotland's People and tell them that, they will > sort it out for you and send you the correct image. > >> This is the first set of children I cannot find in Dundee >> [other family >> lines at Borders have failed to baptise or register their >> children]. Is >> this likely the case here? > Could be. > >> I also found a death at Dundee 1827 for a "Ann Preston" age 59 >> and born >> "Glamis"...no reference to husband. She could be my Ann >> McDonald >> Preston? > She could, and in my opinion probably is, but be aware that > married women are often recorded under their maiden names, even > after they marry. > > HTH > > Anne > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> i have a marriage record for Dundee 1808 for JAMES PRESTON > and ANN > MCDONALD it goes on to say "...in p. of Glammis"... > does this mean the actual marriage was performed in Glamis? > even tho > the record was in Dundee? proclamation in Dundee? can > someone > interpret this for me? When a couple about to get married lived in different parishes, the banns were proclaimed in both parishes. If the record-keeping is good, this generates two records of the proclamation, so that it looks as if the couple were married twice, once in each parish. What this means is that at the time when their banns were called, James Preston was living in Dundee and Ann McDonald in Glamis. It does not tell you where (i.e. in which parish) the actual ceremony was performed. It was customary for the wedding ceremony to be held in the bride's parents' home (not, as a rule, in the kirk), or, if she was working a long way from home or had no parents living, in the manse in her parish of residence. > unfortunately, the record does not have "Ann McDonald's" > father's name. The majority of the pre-1855 records of proclamation of banns don't include information about the couple's parents. I never expect to find that information, and I regard it as a bonus if it does say who one or more of the parents were. > and I cant seem to find on igi or ScotlandsPeople any children > of this > couple ... There could be any number of reasons for this - the baptism was performed in a different denomination (Roman Catholic, Episcopalian, Free Kirk etc) - the parents omitted to have the child baptised - the parents did not have the baptism recorded (there was sometimes a fee for this which poor parents could not afford) - the session clerk neglected to write down the record - the page with the record has been defaced or destroyed - the ink was of poor quality and has faded to the point of illegibility - the register has not survived at all. and so on. > I tried to download the > death cert and it wont open on my computer...says "file is > corrupted" If you contact Scotland's People and tell them that, they will sort it out for you and send you the correct image. > This is the first set of children I cannot find in Dundee > [other family > lines at Borders have failed to baptise or register their > children]. Is > this likely the case here? Could be. > I also found a death at Dundee 1827 for a "Ann Preston" age 59 > and born > "Glamis"...no reference to husband. She could be my Ann > McDonald > Preston? She could, and in my opinion probably is, but be aware that married women are often recorded under their maiden names, even after they marry. HTH Anne

Page 42 Names (1800) Surnames Mary Daughter to Thomas Kyd ravensbay and his Spouse Margaret Anderson was born Janry 1 Kyd Margt Daughter to David McCartney tinman L house and his Spouse Jean Small was born Janry 25 McCartney Sam Son to Robert Petrie weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Margaret Robertson was born Janry 29 Petrie David Son to David Crofts weaver Taymouth Feus and his Spouse Magdalene Crammond was born Febry 13 Crofts Wm Son to James Cruickshanks farmer Woodhill and his Spouse Elspeth Thomson Born Febry 28 Cruickshanks Thomas Son to Thomas Young weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Madilene Scott was Born March 9 Young Jean Daughter to James Kyd shepherd Budden and his Spouse Elizabeth Paterson was born March 21 Kyd John Son to Alexander Hog weaver Taymouth Feus and his Spouse Barb Lorimer Born April 4 Hog Wm Son to Alexander Young farmer Cottside and his Spouse Elizabeth White was Born May 16 Young Alexr Son to William Templeman weaver Budden and his Spouse Isabel Crawford was born May 30 Templeman Thos & Mary Twin Children to David Kerr farmer Balskillie and his Spouse Ann Anderson born July 5 Kerr Eliza Daughter to David Ferrior weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Kay Patterson was born July 11 Ferrior Thomas Son to David Key weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Jean Sterling was born Septr 18 Key Page 43 Names (1800) Surnames Stewart Lyell Son to Alexander Symon schoolmaster Barrie and his Spouse Clementina Carnegy was born Septr 30 Symon Ann Daughter to James Alexander shoemaker Up Mill and his Spouse Mary Chrystie was born Novr 21 Alexander James Son to John Ogilvie and Mary Gray his Spouse was born Novr 24 Ogilvie Wm Son to David Small day labourer Esinuer and his Spouse Magdalene Espline was born Decr 14 Small Males 12 Females 6 Born in all this year 18 1801 Wm Son to William Peddie taylor Crookhill and his Spouse Elizabeth Keiller was born Janry 5 Peddie James Son to David Fairweather smith and his Spouse Isabel Carey was Born Janry 22 Fairweather Barbara Daughter to James Rae weaver Buddon and his Spouse Barbara Templeman was Born Janry 23 Rae Barbara Daughter to David Scott weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Margt Christie was born Febry 19 Scott Robert Son to Robert Scott weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Barbara Ferrier was born March 7 Scott Page 44 Names (1801) Surnames James Son to David Whitton weaver Moston and his Wife Jannet Patoun was born March 5 Whitton James Son to John Lowson wright Taymouth Feus and his Spouse Jean Simpson born March 16 Lowson Isabel Daughter to James Mitchel weaver Benthead and his Spouse Isabel Boutchart was born April 16 Mitchel James Son to Robert Scott shoemaker Barry hill and his Spouse Elizabeth Herauld was born April 30 Scott William Son to Alexr Taylor weaver in Barrie and his Spouse Isabel Ferrier was born May 15 Taylor William Son to Alexr Strachan weaver Buddon and his Spouse Grizel Scott was born June 7 Strachan David Son to George Gerard miller Up Mill and his Spouse Jannet Fyffe was born June 7 Gerard Barbara Daughter to John Ogilvie and Mary Gray his Spouse born August 18 Ogilvie Isobel Daughter to James Whitton weaver Balwindrie and his Spouse Margt Black was born August 28 Whitton Robert Son to the Revd David Sim of Barrie, and his Spouse Agnes Maule, was born March 31 Sim Elizabeth Daughter to Andrew Gibson weaver Moston and his Spouse Margt Patoun was born August 19 Gibson William Son to James Lowson weaver Grange of Barrie and his Spouse Jean Mitchell was born August 23 Lowson James Son to Al Hog weaver Taymouth Feus and his Spouse Barb Lorimer was born Septr 7 Hog Robt Son to Robt Templeman weaver Taymouth Feus and his Spouse Margt Guild was born Septr 8 Templeman Alexr Son to David McKertney tinsmith Lighthouse and his Spouse Jean Small was born Septr 14 McKertney Margt Daughter to Thomas Young weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Maidy Scott was born Decr 6 Young William Son to Peter Lowson weaver Nether Moston and his Spouse Margt Stroke was born Decr 21 Lowson William Son to Alexander Chrystal Servt to Thomas Kyd Ravensbay and his Spouse Barbara Cary was born Febry 12 Chrystal

dear listers: i have a marriage record for Dundee 1808 for JAMES PRESTON and ANN MCDONALD it goes on to say "...in p. of Glammis"... does this mean the actual marriage was performed in Glamis? even tho the record was in Dundee? proclamation in Dundee? can someone interpret this for me? unfortunately, the record does not have "Ann McDonald's" father's name. and I cant seem to find on igi or ScotlandsPeople any children of this couple...altho "JEAN/JANE PRESTON" was their daughter...she married James Robertson Nicoll 1837 at Dundee and their children had names such as "Jane Preston Nicoll" and "Ann McDonald Nicoll". Jean/Jane Nicoll died in 1861 and was buried at Western cemetery; the inscription is clear. I tried to download the death cert and it wont open on my computer...says "file is corrupted"...She was "50" at death so born about 1811 and born in Dundee according to censuses of 1841, 1851, 1861. This is the first set of children I cannot find in Dundee [other family lines at Borders have failed to baptise or register their children]. Is this likely the case here? I also found a death at Dundee 1827 for a "Ann Preston" age 59 and born "Glamis"...no reference to husband. She could be my Ann McDonald Preston? any ideas for this brick wall would be appreciated. thanks Liz of BC Canada