i have a child born to JAMES ROBERTSON and Mgt OGILIVE named Jean [1799] , "designed" after her grandmother JEAN BISSET. so I have found a marriage for a couple PETER ROBERTSON and JEAN BISSET, married Kincardine, 1756. The first child I can find for them together is JOHN ROBERTSON born 1776 at Perth. [one possible clue here: baptised by Mr Geo Innes, Episcopal minister but on page of baptisms for all ministers of the parish.] so I am missing the years 1756 to 1776. James and Mgt Ogilvie Robertson also had John named after "John Robertson, uncle' and another reference for Jean. "Jean Robertson Aunt'.so there must have been at least JAMES and JEAN born to Peter and Jean Bisset Roberston. Peter Robertson was listed as"watchmaker' in 1776 and JAMES ROBERTSON of Dundee was also a Watchmaker. James Robertson, Watchmaker of Dundee, died 1845 at 88 years, so if correct his birth year might have been 1757? again, another temporary ? brick wall, thanks Liz of BC Canada

dear folks, I have a Will for James Roberston, Watchmaker of Dundee who died 1845. His executor and son was James also, of "Glenloin"...any ideas where this might be? could be in Perth? James Robertson son, was also a merchant of Glasgow. thanks liz of BC Canada

thanks Anne, of course! had forgotten to look at the SR birth cert details...found out that MARY BAXTER who married John Spink Nicoll was actually born MARY BAXTER NICOLL! so I found their children-- guess they were first cousins, I believe so. also: the James Chalmers-Jean Reid marriage of Deskford, Banff in 1752 altho rather flimsy evidence [based on dates] for being the parents of JEAN CHALMERS who married THOMAS NICOLL 1785 Dundee, had some further clues --James Chalmers and Jean Reid had 5 children: one son, JOHN, "designed" after first JOHN CHALMERS of "MONTROSE" and then a dau, Elizabeth, after ELIZABETH CARMICHAL who married John Chalmers of Montrose. Am wondering if some of the Chalmers from Cullen and Deskford, migrated to Angus...nearer some other family members. BtW James Chalmers was "blacksmith of Cullen' for many of those records. Your advice to find the death of JAMES CHALMERS at Dundee? was a good one altho there were 15 such deaths in a few years...too many to search. Liz On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Anne Burgess wrote: >> I believe this JOHN SPINK NICOLL was the husband of MARY BAXTER and >> their children born Dundee between 1856-1867. I cannot find on igi >> or ScotlandP...any marriage for John Spink Nicoll and Mary Baxter > > Download the image of the birth certificate of one of the children - > it will tell you the date and place of the parents' marriage. > > Anne >

---------------------------------------- > From the San Francisco Call 1910-01-13 pg 11 col 5: > > DEATH OF MARINER AT HIS BERKELEY HOME > > Capt. Arthur H. Scott Succumbs to Long Ill mess > > BERKELEY, Jan. 12- Captain Arthur H.. Scott, prominent master mariner, died this evening at his residence, 13189 Henry street. He had been ill since October, after returning from a trip as master of the barkentine Geneva. > > For 10 years he had been in the service of Welch & Co.'s sugar trade with the Hawaiian islands, having commanded several vessels. Four years ago he was captain in the barkentine Gerard C. Tobey on the island run when the vessel was dismasted. After a perilous trip Scott returned with the Tobey to port. > > Scott was born in Dundee, Scotland, 50 years ago. He leaves a wife, Mrs. Mary Scott, a son James Scott, and six daughters, Mary, Daisy, Olive, Etta, Martha and Alma Scott > > > Obituary: > > Scott - In Berkeley, January 12, 1910. Arthur H, dearly beloved husband > of Mary B Scott and father of James S, Mary B, Margaret R, Olive A, Henrietta C, Martha O, and Alma N, Scott, a native of Scotland, aged 49yrs, ? months and 28 days. > ***Friends and acquintances are respectively invited to attend the funeral services tomorrow (Saturday) afternoon January 15, at 2 o'clock, at his late home, 1319 Henry Street, Berkeley. Interment Sunset View Cemetery. > > Arthur H Scott is my Great Grandfather and I wish to share what info I have in the hope that it might connect to others researching. > > Thanking You > > Vicki Murray > New Zealand > _________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Download the new Windows Live > http://download.live.com _________________________________________________________________ Looking for a place to manage all your online stuff? Explore the new Windows Live http://www.windowslive.com/Explore

I think I may have a few connections here. Jane ANGUS b c1836/7 Fetteresso was my GG Grandmother. I have traced her marriage to John EDWARDS (1837-1920) and their two children William and Mary Jane but am not descended from him. My G Grandfather was her illegitimate son James ANGUS b Drumforber 22SEP1855. Thanks to some advice from Gordon Johnson I traced his father to a James PATON but clearly he did not do the decent thing by Jane. James m Margaret PATON in Ferryden 1883. They settled in Montrose and had eleven children that I am aware of. The eighth was Joseph Kydd ANGUS b1898 who was a Journeyman Baker in Arbroath and died in 1979. Jane EDWARDS (ms ANGUS) death on 05JUL1929 was registered by her son- in-law Joseph Kydd (likely Mary Jane's husband). So - there seem to be a few connections here to whoever "tarves_1" is. I have never been able to exactly trace where in Usan the Smithy was. I have traced three on old maps but don't know which John EDWARDS worked. My grandmother used to tell of walking over there on a Sunday afternoon from Montrose to visit her Gran. Regards. Tom Edinburgh Researching: ANGUS/EDWARD/MANN/MATHERS/PATON/SCOTT in Angus BECK/EDNIE/GIBB/LYALL in West Lothian/Edinburgh/Fife/Dundee DOD(D)S/HALL in East Lothian/Edinburgh BIGLEY in Northants/London/Edinburgh On 8 Apr 2009, at 10:27, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: tarves_1 > Surnames: EDWARD/S > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/340.650/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi > I was interested in your records about the Edward/s family. My > research originating down the ANGUS line found that a Jane ANGUS b. > circa 1836 Fetteresso married John EDWARDS b. circa 1867 in > Bervie. They then appear on the 1881 cencus in the parish of Craig > (Angus).I think they had 2 children William b circa 1862 and Mary > jane b. circa 1869 both in the parish of Craig. I wondered if there > is any connection with the information your have. I beleive John > was the blacksmith at Usan estate/farm. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If > you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board > URL link above and respond on the board. > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DoreenCuthbert Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5553.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you log on to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk you will be able to find Joseph's marriage certificate, and the birth certificates of all his children. Doreen Cuthbert Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Lesley As I said previously I am not surprised its been discussed before The categories under Theatre of War are a tad odd There are 560,103 = Aldershot 17,673 = British Expeditionary Force 32,566 = Brough - Sic 14,181 = Austria 30,014 = Antwerp 4,531 = Copenhagen There are also plenty with the Theatre of War blank which you cannot search on so don't know if that makes up the shortfall Red Cross offices perhaps? What Brough means I can't guess If I had found everything wrongly presented offensive I would have given up long since, thats not to say I don't think the fallen should have due respect but I feel our research into their lives shows far more respect than someone elses words If you wanted an example of something you could construe as disrespect, my grandfather died November 24th near Cambrai, I have his death scroll from the King, on it they have spelled his name wrong as YEOLL not YOELL But there again there were so many deaths its hardly surprising they got some names wrong, the people doing it were only human As I have said many times before, I would rather have the databases available now, warts and all than wait for the prefect article (which is totally unattainable anyway) Should I get an answer from Ancestry I will let you know the outcome but it will probably be the fob off that others have had Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > I find Ancestry's attitude annoying because I'm paying them for data that > should be accurate, > > but also offensive since the WW1 casualties deserve a bit more respect and > care! > > > > Lesley Robertson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Esplin, Ogg Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5553/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am seeking information on the marriage/children of Joseph. I do not know the date of this marriage. Children: Henry b. abt. 1883 Forfar James b. abt. 1884 Forfar Jane b. abt. 1892 Dundee Louis b. abt. 1895 Monifieth Lyall b. abt. 1899 Forfar Joseph was a son of Joseph Esplin and Mary Ann Ogg. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tarves_1 Surnames: KYDD ANGUS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1917.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Sheila I have just begun researching my family tree hence replying to a post you placed a while back!. So far I have found that my great grandfather was named Joseph Kydd Angus b. Craig 1898 and he was named after his uncle Jospeh Kydd who was married to Mary Jane Edwards. Jospeh Angus lived in Arbroath most of his life. Jospeh and Mary Jane Kydd may have resided in Montrose, Mary Jane certainly has her death registered there. Any information you think may be helpful please let me know. Julie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tarves_1 Surnames: EDWARD/S Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/340.650/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I was interested in your records about the Edward/s family. My research originating down the ANGUS line found that a Jane ANGUS b. circa 1836 Fetteresso married John EDWARDS b. circa 1867 in Bervie. They then appear on the 1881 cencus in the parish of Craig (Angus).I think they had 2 children William b circa 1862 and Mary jane b. circa 1869 both in the parish of Craig. I wondered if there is any connection with the information your have. I beleive John was the blacksmith at Usan estate/farm. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> From: gordon.mccallum2@ntlworld.com > To: ANGUS@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:00:45 +0100 > Subject: [ANGUS] Dundee births help needed > > I wonder if anyone could please find a birth or baptism, abt 1821 in Dundee, for a Stewart Young and maybe obtain his parents names. > He had a brother William born abt 1816 and a sister Elizabeth born abt 1813 but in the 1851 census they both claim to have been born in Ireland. Stewart however gave his place of birth as Scotland in 1841 and Dundee in 1851 and 1861. He married Margaret McLean in Dundee on 14th Feb 1845 and his sister Elizabeth married James Scott on the 17th June 1831 in Dundee. > All three siblings were living in Greenock in 1841 and all had a daughter named Mary > Any help would be appreciated > Regards > Ann > Have you tried Scotlands People? Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

> From: ovington1@sky.com > To: abruce@madasafish.com; angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:16:58 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Aldershot - was Try again? > > Hi Adrian > > I would have been hugely surprised if I were the only one to question it but > as I said previously I already had the information from another source so > did not have the need to follow it up > {snip} > > As you can see they not only have the Theatre of War wrong they have swapped > the place of residence and enlistment > > Your suggestion is one possibility but still think my own suspicion that its > picking up the wrong database field is more likely and if so should be > relatively easily corrected This has been extensively discussed on soc.genealogy.britain as well, and the same conclusion was reached by about half the group - the database is referring to the wrong fields (I hadn't picked up on the birth/residence problem). The other half of the group backed the "transcription farmed out to people who couldn't read the writing" theory but since the original version of "Soldiers Who Died" is not handwritten, that doesn't really hold water (and the original version agrees with Find My past). I find Ancestry's attitude annoying because I'm paying them for data that should be accurate, but also offensive since the WW1 casualties deserve a bit more respect and care! Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ What can you do with the new Windows Live? Find out http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steelo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5470.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sue According to my research you and William Watt Cable are 7th cousins,3 times removed. Allan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks for that Gavin It still surprises me re COOK Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard Ovington wrote: > >>... >>It surprised me how few COOKs there were in Aberdeen, before looking I was >>thinking it may be as common as SMITH and ANDERSON (having both in the >>line >>I know how difficult it can be to trace those) >> >> > > From the MI Index for NE Scotland (about 130,000 entries) the commonest > surnames are SMITH, MILNE and ANDERSON. COOK appears in 145th place, > between Morison and Gall. > > > Gavin Bell

Hi Scottie My ANDERSON and SMITH lines are from Lesmahagow to early 1700's at least Dundee is not exactly next door to Glasgow where Jean COOK marries Alexander SMITH so what brought Jean to Glasgow is anyone's guess I don't think I will give up on my COOKs just yet, I am a bit more resilient than that <g> Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Am an Anderson descendant also ...one area of research has them coming from the Edinburgh area and others from Berwick-upon-Tweed. The immigrant arrived here in the States in the 1600's and his name was William...I have 5 Williams in my direct line. Don't give up on the Cooks...I think I found out the Anderson name was number 9th place!!!!!They first settled in Anne Arundel Co., Maryland. Scottie

I wonder if anyone could please find a birth or baptism, abt 1821 in Dundee, for a Stewart Young and maybe obtain his parents names. He had a brother William born abt 1816 and a sister Elizabeth born abt 1813 but in the 1851 census they both claim to have been born in Ireland. Stewart however gave his place of birth as Scotland in 1841 and Dundee in 1851 and 1861. He married Margaret McLean in Dundee on 14th Feb 1845 and his sister Elizabeth married James Scott on the 17th June 1831 in Dundee. All three siblings were living in Greenock in 1841 and all had a daughter named Mary Any help would be appreciated Regards Ann

Thanks Iain Yes indeed :-) Thanks for suggesting it though Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard > > You may well have checked it against the Commonwealth War Graves > Commission site. > > http://www.cwgc.org/ > > Iain > > ---snipped---

Nivard You may well have checked it against the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site. http://www.cwgc.org/ Iain ---snipped---

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tarves_1 Surnames: Edwards Angus Kydd Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5552/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for descendants of Jane Angus (d.1929 Montrose) m. to John Edwards (d.Craig 1920) Had chld 2 - Mary Jane b. circa 1869 and William b. circa 1862/63. Mary Jane m. Joseph Kydd circa 1894. I beleive decendants may be in Montrose area. thanks for your help Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Nivard Ovington wrote: >... >It surprised me how few COOKs there were in Aberdeen, before looking I was >thinking it may be as common as SMITH and ANDERSON (having both in the line >I know how difficult it can be to trace those) > > From the MI Index for NE Scotland (about 130,000 entries) the commonest surnames are SMITH, MILNE and ANDERSON. COOK appears in 145th place, between Morison and Gall. Gavin Bell