This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ANGELAH Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5554/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Gale Group has digitized 19th Centure British Newspapers. I'm trying to find a subscription service that has access to these newspapers. Ancestry.com doesn't have it, Newspaperarchive.com doesn't, footnote doesn't, and of course my local libarary doesn't and won't sign up for the free trial either. Does anyone know of a subscription service that has access to these papers? I've googled without any luck. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

hi Doreen, I am looking for the following ROBERTSON children: they were not mentioned in their father's WILL of 1845, so I think they might have died young. I was looking for THOMAS [born 1794], JOHN [born 1801], ANN [ born 1804] and WILLIAM [born 1806] all to James Robertson and wife Margaret Ogilvie Robertson [who died before 1808 when James remarried]. Margaret Ogivlie Robertson died between 1806 and 1808 and I have not found her burial either. All children were at least born in Dundee. The FDCA link should have worked but didnt.. my computer and MY lack of expertise in techie things. If you are willing to do this lookup I would appreciate that. thanks liz On Apr 12, 2009, at 11:10 AM, DOREEN CUTHBERT wrote: > > Liz, > I just tried the link from Colin Speed, and it worked fine for me. > > Personally, when I am looking for the site I just use google to look > for FDCA - if it does not come up try google.co.uk - or of course just > key in www.fdca.org.uk > > > Once you get into the site, select databases, then the Howff. You > should then be able to get into any of the data, including the > Robertson's. > > There are also books of memorial inscriptions, showing memorials pre > 1855 - although there are some later ones. > > I have the full set for Angus, so if you still can't get into the > Howff site, give me specific details, and I'll see if I can find > anything for you. > > Good Luck > Doreen Cuthbert > >

Thanks Colin It works fine for me. John\\ Cranbourne Australia Harvie Barker wrote: > thanks for your info, Colin, but I get gibberish...wonder why?...my > computer? LIZ > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Colin Speed wrote: > >

Hi Liz, I have just tried the link below and got: 1. A page giving some background to the index and a table of links to the appropriate pages; 2. The alphabetical listing from Robb onwards .... If you were looking for James Robertson there is only one, age 20, who does not appear to be the one you are looking for. BUT ... I have not had to look for burials in Dundee and know that the Howff was the main burial ground. However, looking for something else I discovered that there were several other burial grounds in Dundee and district, mainly church yards, so you might have to consider that possibility. Dundee Council should have any surviving records but, sorry, I can't tell you how to get in touch with the appropriate department. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvie Barker" <harviebarker@shaw.ca> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Howff burial listings for the letter "R"? > thanks for your info, Colin, but I get gibberish...wonder why?...my > computer? LIZ > > On Apr 11, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Colin Speed wrote: > >> Try http://www.fdca.org.uk/FDCAHowffInfo.html. It gives a searchable >> pdf >> file. >> >> Colin >> >> 2009/4/11 Harvie Barker <harviebarker@shaw.ca> >> >>> Howff burials >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.52/2053 - Release Date: 04/10/09 18:27:00

Try http://www.fdca.org.uk/FDCAHowffInfo.html. It gives a searchable pdf file. Colin 2009/4/11 Harvie Barker <harviebarker@shaw.ca> > Howff burials

hi Bruce, actually I did find 'my" James Robertson Watchmaker, who died 1845 age 88, but was in fact looking for his children because in his WILL [1845] he only mentioned 2 children of 7, and then 4 grandsons of a deceased daughter...[she died of consumption aged 38] so I wondered if other siblings had also died young of TB. On OPR I got 68 "John Robertson" burials in Dundee between 1800 and 1841.!! I was looking for THOMAS [born 1794], JOHN [born 1801], ANN [ born 1804] and WILLIAM [born 1806] all to James Robertson and wife Margaret Ogilvie Robertson who died before 1808 when James remarried]. this all started for me because ScotlandsPeople put OPR deaths online recently and it is very useful if you know the year. thanks Liz On Apr 11, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Bruce Dorward wrote: > Hi Liz, > > I have just tried the link below and got: > 1. A page giving some background to the index and a table of links to > the > appropriate pages; > 2. The alphabetical listing from Robb onwards .... > > If you were looking for James Robertson there is only one, age 20, who > does > not appear to be the one you are looking for. > > BUT ... I have not had to look for burials in Dundee and know that the > Howff > was the main burial ground. However, looking for something else I > discovered > that there were several other burial grounds in Dundee and district, > mainly > church yards, so you might have to consider that possibility. Dundee > Council > should have any surviving records but, sorry, I can't tell you how to > get in > touch with the appropriate department. > > Cheers, > Bruce D > > Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.52/2053 - Release Date: > 04/10/09 > 18:27:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Page 47 Names (1802) Surnames William Son to Alexander Chrystal barnman Ravensbay and his Spouse Barbara Gary was born Febry 12 Chrystal Barbara Daughter to John Butchert weaver Taymouth Fews and his Spouse Agnes Anderson, was born Febry 13 Butchert David Lyell Son to Alexr Symers schoolmaster and his Spouse Clementina Carnegy was Born Febry 17 Symers Alexander Son to Alexr Young farmer Cottside and his Spouse Elizabeth White was Born Febry 27 Young David Son to David Key weaver Buddon and his Spouse Jean Skirling was Born March 15 Key Elizabeth Daughter to John Smith taymouth and his Spouse Mary Gibson was born April 22 Smith Susan Daughter of David Smith taymouth and his Spouse Jannet Donaldson was born May 4 Smith John Son to Francis Whitton wright Barrie and his Spouse Nanny Chrystie was born May 17 Whitton David Son to David Lyell barnman Ballskellie and his Spouse Isabel Blair was Born June 3 Lyell BRW Susan Daughter to Alexr Graham Deyhouse and his Spouse Isabel Anderson was born July 7 Graham Robt Son to James Whitton deyhouse and his Spouse Matilda Whitton was born August 1 Whitton David Son to David Ferrier weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Kay Patterson was born Septr 18 Ferrier Thomas Son to James Mitchell Bentheads and his Spouse Isabel Butchert was Born Septr 23 Mitchell Robert Son to Alexr Sword and his Spouse Margt Butchert was Born Septr 24 Sword Susan Daughter to Thomas Rae weaver and his Spouse Margt Fairweather was Born August 3 Rae Susan Daughter to David Fyffe farmer Clayholes and his Spouse Jean Allan was born Octr 3 Fyffe Thomas Son to William Nicol weaver Taymouth Feus and his Spouse Elspeth Patoun was born Octr 23 Nicol George Son to James Kyd sheepherd Buddon Elizabeth Pattouon His Spouse Novr 10 Kyd Page 48 Names (1802) Surnames Mary Daughter to David Scott weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Margt Chrystie was born Novr 19 Scott 1803 John Son to James Rae weaver Buddon and his Spouse Barbara Templeman was born Janry 2 Rae John Son to David Bertie miller Taymouth Fews and Isabel Wood his Spouse was born Janry 3 Bertie TAW Margt Daughter to James Lowson weaver Up Mill Barrie and his Spouse Jean Mitchel was born Febry 8 Lowson Mary Daughter to David Whitton weaver Moston and his Spouse Janet Patoun was Born Febry 16 Whitton Charles Son to Robt Patoun shoemaker Feus and his Spouse Helen Mill was born Febry 24 Patoun James Son to William Anderson Cottside and his Spouse Jean Brown, was born March 9 Anderson Alexander Son to Alexr Symers preacher of the Gospel and his Spouse Clementina Carnegy was born April 19 Symers David Son to David Kerr farmer Balskellie and his Spouse Ann Anderson his Spouse was born May 23 Kerr William Son to George Lyon weaver Barrie and his Spouse Barbara Scott was born May 28 Lyon Page 49 Names (1803) Surnames Robert Born to John Butchert weaver Feus and his Spouse Nanny Anderson June 28 Butchert James Son to George Gerrard miller Up Mill and his Spouse Jannet Fyffe was Born June 30 Gerrard Magdalene Daughter to Thomas Young cowbyres and his Spouse Magdalene Scott was born July 16 Young Robert Son to Robert Whitton & his Spouse Ann Guild born July 20 Whitton John Son to David Barrie weaver Taymouth Fews and his Spouse Elizabeth Wilson was Born July 25 Barrie Alexander Son to Alexr Taylor weaver Nether Moston and his Spouse Isabel Ferrier was born July 30 Taylor William Don to George Cant weaver Nether Moston and his Spouse Margt Hog was born Septr 1 Cant Thomas Son to David McKertney tinsmith L house and his Spouse Jean Small was born Septr 1 McKertney Betty Daughter to Alexr Graham flax Dresser Deyhouse and his Spouse Isall Anderson was born Septr 8 Graham Alexr Son to James Mitchell weaver Bentheads and his Spouse Isabel Butchert was born Septr 18 Mitchell Ann Daughter to David Key weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Margt Hogg Octr 1 Key Mary Daughter to John Thomson weaver Taym Fews and Isabel Rait his Spouse Octr 2 Thomson Alexander & Annie Twin Children of John Kyd weaver Buddon and his Spouse Margt Dick Novr 11 Kyd Barbara Daughter to Robt Scott weaver Mossholes and his Spouse Barb Ferrier Novr 28 Scott Isabel Daughter to John Lowson wright Taymouth Fews and his Spouse Jean Simpson was born Decr 26 Lowson Wilhelmina Daughter to the Revd D Sim Barrie & his Spouse Agnes Maule Decr 22 Sim Born this Year Males 15 Females 9 In all 24 1804 Isabel Born to Andrew Airth blacksmith Barry and his Spouse Mary Kyd Jany 4

I am posting to see if anyone out there has this little book...I believe about 40 pp. I can order from Tay Valley Family History Society I believe..at least they might research it for me. but am wondering if anyone has this book whether SKS could do a lookup for me to see if the following are in it: PETER ROBERTSON of Perth? or Dundee? about 1756 to 1800? JAMES ROBERTSON of Dundee...from 1785 to 1845. I did try a posting on Rootsweb UK-Watchmakers but so far no one has had this particular book thanks Liz of BC Canada

thanks for your info, Colin, but I get gibberish...wonder why?...my computer? LIZ On Apr 11, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Colin Speed wrote: > Try http://www.fdca.org.uk/FDCAHowffInfo.html. It gives a searchable > pdf > file. > > Colin > > 2009/4/11 Harvie Barker <harviebarker@shaw.ca> > >> Howff burials > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have two WILLS [Nicoll 1889 and Robertson 1845] where there are persons mentioned with two addresses: first, 1845, executor of the Will, son of James Robertson, JAMES, at both Glasgow [iron merchant] and at "GLenloin or Glen Lyon" Perth. second, 1889, JAMES ROBERTSON NICOLL at Glasgow, merchant and at Coupar Angus...he maintained two rental properties. [he had been an iron merchant in Dundee until 1861] my question is "why"...were they "country homes' for leisure? Does anyone have access to Glasgow or Dundee DIRECTORIES? or are any onllne? thanks Liz of BC Canada

Nice one, Gavin :)) Iain ---snipped---

hi folks, I was able to download the letter "N" for Howff burials and find my Nicoll burials. [recorded I believe by Friends of Dundee City Archives] I am wondering if anyone knows if the letter "R" [eg Robertson] is available online? I cannot seem to call it up by Google. It would save me many dollars/pounds by doing this on ScotlandsPeople one by one...and I could narrow down my searches on ScotlandsPeople. thanks Liz of BC Canada

Alistair Macdonald wrote: >An excellent, well presented and interesting site. I live in Kent, my wife >comes from Portsoy, and a close friend from Stonehaven. No one still lives >in Morningside do they? > > No, they all died out, because they thought Sex was what your coals came in. Gavin Bell

Arlene Halme wrote: >Picked this site up from an Irish list. It has a few choices for >Scotland, closest for Angus is Stonehaven. Some might find it >interesting to have a listen to > >http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/index.html > >Arlene > > Not very reminiscent of Angus speech. To me, he sounds more Aberdeen than Angus, and (as is probably inevitable in these days of mass media) his speech is at least partly urbanised, even though he is talking of country life. Gavin Bell

An excellent, well presented and interesting site. I live in Kent, my wife comes from Portsoy, and a close friend from Stonehaven. No one still lives in Morningside do they? Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Halme" <suvi@islandnet.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:12 AM Subject: [ANGUS] Listen to local dialects > Picked this site up from an Irish list. It has a few choices for > Scotland, closest for Angus is Stonehaven. Some might find it > interesting to have a listen to > > http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/index.html > > Arlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

> dear folks, I have a Will for James Roberston, Watchmaker of > Dundee who > died 1845. His executor and son was James also, of > "Glenloin"...any > ideas where this might be? could be in Perth? > > James Robertson son, was also a merchant of Glasgow. My money's on Glen Lyon, which is in north-western Perthshire, north of Loch Tay. Anne

Picked this site up from an Irish list. It has a few choices for Scotland, closest for Angus is Stonehaven. Some might find it interesting to have a listen to http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/index.html Arlene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: G2004SheWpg Surnames: KYDD ANGUS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1917.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm still around the forum. which child of Joseph Kydd Angus and Madaline are you descended from? if you clik on my name above you should get an email addy for me just contact me direct. I've plenty on the kydd side of things and a bit on possible other siblins of Joseph in my files. ciao Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am having no luck tracing David LAMB who married Anne LUNDIE at St Vigeans on 20 Jan 1846. Can anyone help? David Lamb has been very difficult to research as I have not found a record of him in the Census alongside his wife or children. Without this I have no age to go on, as ages are not recorded in the Marriage Records. There are many David Lambs. The Banns and Marriages record says that David Lamb was from Arbroath. The most likely record I have so far is a death record of a David Lamb, Master Mariner, in the Marine Register dated 14 March 1882, but this does not explain his absense from all census records. This couple had, I think, 5 children: (2 found in Census & 3 only found in Scotlandspeople search) Jessie LAMB b 1847 Helen LAMB b 1849 Mary Jane Bone LAMB b 1852 David Charles F LAMB b1854 George Lundie LAMB b 1858 Wife Anne LUNDIE 1851 Scotland Census records Ann LAMB in Arbroath - shipmaster Wife, with children Helen & Jessie. I cannot find her death notice. Nor can I find her in any later Census records. As she had a child in 1858 her death should be recorded in Scotlandspeople. Daughter Jessie LAMB is found in 1861 Census with her grandmother and aunt Margaret Lundie in Arbroath. I can't find her after this although there are several possible marriages none are before the 1871 census. Daughter Helen LAMB b 1849 is not found again (Possibly died before 1854) Daughter Mary Jane Bone Lamb b 1852 died 1858 Oct 31st at 1 Grayfield Arbroath Parish, F, 5 years [parents] David Lamb, Shipmaster (Merchant Service) & Ann Lamb MN Lundie, [cause of death] Scarlatina Son David Charles F Lamb b1854 died 1858 probably also from Scarlet Fever Son George Lundie Lamb b1858 died 1858 probably also from Scarlet Fever Thanks for any information on this family Veronica in Canada

I had the opportunity to look at the Concise Scots Dictionary today. Kirkstile (don't worry about the spelling, it probably varied from place to place or even from year to year) : The stile or narrow entry to a churchyard; (later) a meeting place where announcements would be made; the place where the beir was received prior to burial. In Forfar we have several churches one of which is the Parish Church. It can be approached by a stairway from the main street which leads to what is officially the main door of the church though in practise the majority of church-goers, the main parties at a wedding and the coffin following a funeral use another entry further up the hill which avoids the steps but leads to what probably was the back door. One or other of these, and I have never been sure which, was known as "the Auld Kirk Stile" ... but it has been a long time since I heard that used! I found my gg-grandfather, age 14, listed as a farm worker at Kirkstyle of Rescobie in the 1841 census. Rescobie church is only a few miles from me and I know the area well but I have not been able to identify an existing building as that residence. The old part of Rescobie burial ground is surrounded by a stone wall with a pedestrian gate allowing entry from the road as well as a wider entrance at the rear that would admit a small vehicle, such as a horse-drawn hearse. The track leading to the rear of the church, the rear of the Manse and building which at least one old map identifies as the school and farm on the hill above. For the want of a better idea I have concluded that this track, passing the entry to the church-yard, had been known as the Kirkstyle at the time. In the days before precise addresses and post codes this was probably close enough for anyone seeking out the local residents to start making enquiries. Cheers, Bruce D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harvie Barker" <harviebarker@shaw.ca> To: <ANGUS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:48 PM Subject: [ANGUS] "Kirkstyle" Kinfauns? > the burial record for JEAN CHALMERS NICOLL 1847 age 82 says "at > Kirkstyle" Kinfauns. I cannot seem to identify "Kirkstyle" .tried > gazetteers and Statistical accounts to no avail. > > does anyone know what this might have been? > > thanks Liz of BC Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release Date: 04/04/09 16:53:00