This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sharon2491 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5560.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have received the following information from a kind soul in England by direct e-mail. I am posting it here for anyone reading this update who connects to any of the Gardiners and can provide further information. Thomas Gardiner married Margaret Clark Children: 1. Thomas Gardiner born 14 July 1845, Perth, Scotland [Their other children are unknown at this time.] Thomas Jr. married (1869) Euphemia Scott Low born 24 September 1847, the daughter of James Low and Isabella Gordon. Children: 1. Isabella Gordon Gardiner born 28 March 1870, Perth 2. Thomas Gardiner born 23 July 1871, Perth 3. Margaret Clark Gardiner born 20 April 1873, Perth 4. Euphemia Low Gardiner born 1874 (according to gravestone in Welland, ON, Canada) in Perth, married (1897) my grandfather, David Kirk born 1875 in Dundee, son of David Kirk and Margaret Fender Kirk 5. James Gardiner born c.1880 in Dundee 6. Elizabeth Gardiner born c.1883 in Dundee 7. David Gardiner born c.1885 in Dundee Sharon Welland, Ontario, Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Happy Birthday for Friday, Mary and thanks for your efforts and continuing contributions. Margaret Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRUINSWOOD@aol.com> To: <angus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Arbroath, Angus > There are several I've found so far.. > > _http://www.scotsfamily.com/tours.htm_ > (http://www.scotsfamily.com/tours.htm) > > _http://www.scottish-genealogy-story-tours.co.uk/_ > (http://www.scottish-genealogy-story-tours.co.uk/) > > _http://www.newenglandancestors.org/events/6042.asp_ > (http://www.newenglandancestors.org/events/6042.asp) this was the first > one I found. (they do > one to England) and they have tons to individual states. > > Since my strokes, my poor hubby watches me like a "pot of water in the > stove" so I'm not travelling alone by car for two weeks, as I did in the > past. > I'm 58 on Friday, and don't want to give up the one thing that means the > most to me. > > Mary > **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: evelynolga66 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/438.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In my family tree I have James as son of David Melvill and Janet Keir. If you are interested please write to evearg@hotmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tinder11 Surnames: Tinder Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/336.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David, I too am a descendant of James Tinder; by (all Tinders) James, Lewis, James w., Larkin, James, Lyle, then me, and my son James. My line lived in VA, KY, MO, and now MI. And I would like to know more about your findings, and what if any I may be able to add. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ooops, my being a Yank is showing again... I could die quite happy in the Aberdeen and North East FHS library. My point was don't stop with which ever one is closest to your rellies.I have purchased many fine publication including the Scottish genealogy society's monument Inscription books.... I'm a member there and at TayValley FHS I'm experienced but not an expert. I have found a New England tour that goes to both Scotland and England, so I can travel again without driving alone. I'll have to join their organization, but volunteer efforts need our suport. http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/ This is my country, The land that begat me, These windy spaces Are surely my own. And those who toil here In the sweat of their faces Are flesh of my flesh And bone of my bone. Sir Alexander Gray (the poem on the Scottish Genealogy society website) Check out the pedigree files submitted by members AND contribute your work!! Now I'll get off my Yankee soap box.... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary said: The Aberdeen FHS is the oldest in Scotland and did the entire country for a long time. Hmm... Mary, the Scottish Genealogy Society would have words to say about that, as for many years THEY were the only genealogy society in Scotland! ANESFHS was one of the early local FHSs, and I think I can say that they remain the LARGEST family history society in Scotland, and have been so for many years (4,600 members last year) Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

There are several I've found so far.. _http://www.scotsfamily.com/tours.htm_ (http://www.scotsfamily.com/tours.htm) _http://www.scottish-genealogy-story-tours.co.uk/_ (http://www.scottish-genealogy-story-tours.co.uk/) _http://www.newenglandancestors.org/events/6042.asp_ (http://www.newenglandancestors.org/events/6042.asp) this was the first one I found. (they do one to England) and they have tons to individual states. Since my strokes, my poor hubby watches me like a "pot of water in the stove" so I'm not travelling alone by car for two weeks, as I did in the past. I'm 58 on Friday, and don't want to give up the one thing that means the most to me. Mary **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

Ooops, my being a Yank is showing again... we wear egg a lot! I could die quite happy in the Aberdeen and North East FHS library. My point was don't stop with which ever one is closest to your rellies.I have purchased many fine publication including the Scottish genealogy society's monument Inscription books.... I'm a member there and at TayValley FHS I'm experienced but not an expert. I have found a New England tour that goes to both Scotland and England, so I can travel again without driving alone. I'll have to join their organization, but volunteer efforts need our suport. _http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/_ (http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/) This is my country, The land that begat me, These windy spaces Are surely my own. And those who toil here In the sweat of their faces Are flesh of my flesh And bone of my bone. Sir Alexander Gray (the poem on the Scottish Genealogy society website) Check out the pedigree files submitted by members AND contribute your work!! Now I'll get off my Yankee soap box.... In a message dated 4/22/2009 9:04:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.1. 1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary said: The Aberdeen FHS is the oldest in Scotland and did the entire country for a long time. Hmm... Mary, the Scottish Genealogy Society would have words to say about that, as for many years THEY were the only genealogy society in Scotland! ANESFHS was one of the early local FHSs, and I think I can say that they remain the LARGEST family history society in Scotland, and have been so for many years (4,600 members last year) Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

Hello, Can you give me the name of the tour group you mentioned, who go to England and Scotland. As I travel alone I prefer to go with a group and not be required to drive. Thankyou, Pam, an English born Scottish heritage gal, now living in Arizona. > From: BRUINSWOOD@aol.com > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:12:14 -0400 > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Arbroath, Angus > > Ooops, my being a Yank is showing again... we wear egg a lot! > > I could die quite happy in the Aberdeen and North East FHS library. My > point was don't stop with which ever one is closest to your rellies.I have > purchased many fine publication including the Scottish genealogy society's > monument Inscription books.... I'm a member there and at TayValley FHS > > I'm experienced but not an expert. I have found a New England tour that > goes to both Scotland and England, so I can travel again without driving > alone. I'll have to join their organization, but volunteer efforts need our > suport. > > _http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/_ (http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/) > > This is my country, > The land that begat me, > These windy spaces > Are surely my own. > And those who toil here > In the sweat of their faces > Are flesh of my flesh > And bone of my bone. > > Sir Alexander Gray (the poem on the Scottish Genealogy society website) > > Check out the pedigree files submitted by members AND contribute your > work!! > > Now I'll get off my Yankee soap box.... > > > > > In a message dated 4/22/2009 9:04:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: GordonPertJohnson > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.1. > 1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Mary said: > The Aberdeen FHS is the oldest in Scotland and did the entire country for > a long time. > Hmm... Mary, the Scottish Genealogy Society would have words to say about > that, as for many years THEY were the only genealogy society in Scotland! > ANESFHS was one of the early local FHSs, and I think I can say that they > remain the LARGEST family history society in Scotland, and have been so for > many years (4,600 members last year) > Gordon. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above > and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage2_042009

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The next building charter recorded in the Chartulary refers to the same street ; and by which Abbot Bernard, in 1318, granted a parcel of land in Cobgat to Galfrid Clulbydheued, burgess of Aberbrothoc, for twelve pennies of sterlings, as before. The name Cowgate, as applied to this street, has been lost for ages in common discourse, but its representative is still retained in the writings of the proprietors on the lower part of the High Street, under the altered form of Copegate. The Chartulary shows how the old name Cougate, (our fathers wrote their single u as we now write v, Covgate), successively appears as Cobgate, Copgait, and Copegate. Abbot Bernard inserted a clause in his charter, which is signifi- cant of his active character. He bound the feuar to build a house upon the land granted to him, with a front according to the usage of the burgh, within the first three years. found this just searching the web for copegate, Arbroath, you never know it could be a local B and B. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://www.angusahead.com/VisitAngus/GenealogyHistoryCult/GeneaologyHistoryCulture.asp. list of genealogy sources in Angus might help. If you run out of ideas you can write the parish church or a nearby B and B...Scottish people are exceedinly helpful in helping folks find their history... Mary in Oregon Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Learning about the history of the regiments or trades gives the historic perspective that gives us the context of Scottish and World history that we need to put our ancestor's lives into. I had for forgotten when the records for military stopped being housed in the National Archives (NAS) to PRO (England's Archive) I thought it was THE UNION 1707....but I'm a Yank after all...(rats!no accent, stuck with Bush) so 1763 is date. learn every day and help someone, so you can count your life in friends not in days. Our ancestor's lives are not the "book-end" dates that bracket their lives but the book that lies between...so learning about their experiences and the times they lived through is as important as looking for records. I hate to be "judged" by my grandkids based on my driver's license photo and info! Abertay Historical is another gem. http://www.abertay.org.uk/ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac940/weblibs.html uk public libraries on the web http://scurl.ac.uk/about/members.html confederation of Scottish research libraries http://www.uklibrariesplus.ac.uk/memarea.htm#scot university libraries Scotland http://www.uklibrariesplus.ac.uk/memarea.htm all uk university libraries http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/ukinfo/ac/index.php?refs1065=(none) My Favorite an interactive map of the U.K. that takes you to that city university website. As an ex-software engineer..I'm impressed. http://www.scran.ac.uk/ Scottish Cultural Resources Network... see what the regiment uniform looked like, search by village or trade, by surname... Their CD's on the History of the Scottish people are excellent. Subscription helps Scottish teachers and an excellent site for us. Family History Societies have publication on ancestor's lives. I use the links page of the Association of Scottish Family History Societies to move easily between. Don't assume you will only find something in Perth. The Aberdeen FHS is the oldest in Scotland and did the entire country for a long time. I found a rare 1700 book on Fergus, Ontario there where my Perthshire born great grandfather had emigrated that was not available in the National library of Canada in Ottawa! Never assume. Try the Federation of British FHS....they have directories of Internet sites for shut ins like me. Mary in Oregon Ebertay has some neat publications. http://www.safhs.org.uk/ Scottish Family History Societies http://www.armymuseums.co.uk/regiment.htm Regimental museum list...I'd lost this full list of what museums have which regiments...if they don't have their own like Balhousie Castle, Blackwatch museum in Perth. There is a memorial on Powrie Brae to the Blackwatch.. just outside Dundee. http://www.cyndislist.com/miluk.htm#Libraries more ideas Genuki has them too Feel closer to them, buy a relica or antique regimental badge, the regimental music, books on the regimental history. hope you can find some help in all my chatter! Mary Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: look at both SCRAN and RCAHMS for photos. I use Multimap, streetmap and old map. If you look carefully at the Internet interactive program, (I use Uk streetmap, multimap and old maps of Scotland. The last is a great resource but takes a long time to load. You pop in the nearest village or town, and then just move the cursor in any direction. The old maps are sold as reprints online, and from most family history society. Sassines (land inheritance records unique to Scotland) are housed at the NAS. If your family owned the property, you might find records at the National Archive. Anyone suggest a place to look for rental agreements, tax information or land evaluation? SCRAN often has old photos of buildings, as does RCAHMS, royal commision on Ancient and historic monuments of Scotland. http://www.multimap.com/maps/ www.streetmap.co.uk/ http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ http://www.nas.gov.uk/ National archive of Scotland www.rcahms.gov.uk/ www.scran.ac.uk/ SCRAN has begun adding documents like forfeit estate lists after the Jacobite Revolutions. I doubt if a hand loom weaver would have enough money for an estate... but leave no stone uncovered. I learned much about the trade at the Glasgow weaving cottage. It's near Glasgow, and the weaver worked in wool, rather than linen (woven from flax) which is more likely, but unknown about your particular weaver. I bought my reproduction of about 1850 era, from Tayvalley family history society. At a couple pounds each, they are good deal for researching. If that doesn't work contact the libraries. I got a great map of Dundee showing all the parish boundaries around 1850, from the Dundee central public Library. I'll write another post next on library websites. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geniekitty Surnames: Simpson, Wright Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5564/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wondering if anyone has a map that shows the house names on it. Looking for a house that was named Copegate on High Street (east side of High St.) in Arbroath about 1800. Thanks hoping to find a photo of the building if it survives. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dan, I tried the monument inscriptions for Arbroath, in fact the Angus seacoast. None of the Jenkins match yours. But so few buried in a cemetery had stones, you should look for burials. they are likely buried without a stone like 99% of Scots. If you need the death records, they are on Scotlandspeople. Sorry I couldn't be more help, but I have no doubt that someone can give you where to write for Arbroath burials. Mary in Oregon In a message dated 4/21/2009 4:35:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Woolary@aol.com writes: I am trying to find the burial place of Alexander Jenkins who died 5 March 1896 at 52 1/2 Millgate Loan, Arbroath and of his wife Ann (Hatherall) Jenkins who died 25 November 1917 at 30 Bank St. in Arbroath. Regards, Dan Woolary **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

I am trying to find the burial place of Alexander Jenkins who died 5 March 1896 at 52 1/2 Millgate Loan, Arbroath and of his wife Ann (Hatherall) Jenkins who died 25 November 1917 at 30 Bank St. in Arbroath. Regards, Dan Woolary **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: igammage Surnames: Esplin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5553.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joseph married Agnes Webster 31 Dec 1879 in Forfar, Angus. Source Robina Newton for all.. James Webster Esplin born 9 Feb 1884 Forfar Norman Ogg Esplin 13 Oct 1886 Louis H Esplin abt 1895 Lyall Heggie Esplin 10 Sep 1898 Forfar Arrived America 1908 Agnes was born 1860 Forfar Cheers, Ian PS. I did not post the information! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steelo Surnames: Cable Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5563/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi folks, Thomas Cable is recorded in the IGI as having twin sons, David and John on 25/11/1768 in Kirriemuir. I am looking for a David Cable marrying Elizabeth Alexander possibly in 1788. In the Howff cemetery there is a David Cabler died 18/1/1833, aged 65.Carmylie, Weaver.West Port. There is also an Eliz Cables in the cemetery died 25/8/1805. Were they husband and wife and the Cable name has been mis spelt? Is there anybody researching a David Cable that was born abt 1768 and fits any of the criteria above. I am aware that there are some list members researching the descendants of David Cable and Elizabeth Alexander but I have not seen any evidence that those people know who Davids parents were. Thank you Regards Allan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: igammage Surnames: Paton, Mathers, Coull Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1865.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Jan, Any luck? Of course our connection is Jessie, the daughter of Alexander who married Robert Mathers. Cheers, Ian iang@grapevine.com.au Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5562.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have an almost complete set (4 of 6 for Angus, and four of 6 for Perthshire. Contact me at Bruinswood@aol.com Mary in Oregon Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.