This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: By definition, the church in the parish of Liff and Benvie would have been Liff and Benvie Parish Church, and it would have been Church of Scotland. In the Statistical Account of Scotland (1793), the Rev Thomas constable notes that the parishes of Liff and Benvie were united in 1758, and that the older parishes of Logie and Invergowrie had been previously united to Liff. However the quoad sacra parish of Logie, including Blackness and Balgay, belonged to Dundee, because (he thought) some of the principal streets of Dundee had encroached on Logie. Fullarton's Gazetteer (1842) notes that the eastern part of the parish of Liff and Benvie belonged to the civil parish of Lochee. By 1901 a substantial part of the parish of Liff and Benvie had been built over by the expanding city of Dundee, so that a street address in that parish is usually also part of the city. In 1793, apart from the Church of Scotland, Liff and Benvie had a Seceder meeting house, but no minister to look after the 120 or so members of its congregation. No other denomination is mentioned in the Statistical Account. By 1901, there were almost certainly churches of other denominations in the Dundee part of Liff and Benvie. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, Do you know the name of the church in Liff and/or its denomination. Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

With Fowlis Wester, Invergowrie, and Logie. Logie and Invergowrie have been joined to Liff since the mid seventeenth century. Liff and Benvie were united in 1758. A photo of Liff Church is available on SCRAN. I have a photograph of the masons (profession not fraternity) of Liff, it doesn't identify my William Powrie by name but another, called the Dundee Stone cutter club does. I'm donating a copy of each to the Dundee Library. The men are holding chisels in one hand and large wooden mallets in the other. If anyone with a mason in the family wants a copy...let me know. _http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-461-074-C&scache=3q9 uhal6o2&searchdb=scran_ (http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-461-074-C&scache=3q9uhal6o2&searchdb=scran) I just received an email from lance corporal Forbes Powrie, born in 1912, that told me of trips taken with his father and grandfather to see the ship discovery to tell him of his grandfather's part in building it! a very welcome contact from my newsletter. My faith in family caring about our soldiers has been rewarded. Our link to the ship is finally established... Nice Birthday present for me. Mary in Oregon In a message dated 4/26/2009 1:15:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1. 1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, Do you know the name of the church in Liff and/or its denomination. Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

I known that they have it, because a new contact just got one. Wellgate has lovely things on Dundee. I found who built the Ship Discovery in Dundee harbor! I have a 100 year old Forbes Powrie who is filing me in. Mary In a message dated 4/26/2009 5:59:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, New.Englander@verizon.net writes: Thank you, Mary. This is very helpful. I've always wondered about the boundaries and the differences. Wonder if the mpa is still available from Wellgate? Something for the "todo" list. Thanks again, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Whyte-White > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: maryschacht > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Not necessarily. There is a CIVIL parish which is Dundee, and the village > of Liff (just outside). It is so small, Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie share > one church. > > I've had family in both places. I got a map of Dundee parish boundaries > from the public (Wellgate) library > > Mary in Oregon > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2080 - Release Date: 04/25/09 08:29:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

Hello Pat, I saw your reply to Allan regarding the Cable/Cabel family. You mentioned you had some of the Cable family hanging off your tree. My maiden name is Cabel & I have been researching the Cable/Cabel family especially in the Carmylie/Arbirlot/Arbroath areas. Also Aberdeen.. As you can see I am very interested in the information you have & would really be very pleased if you would contact me. at : jestom@shaw.ca Thanking you in advance. Kindest regards, Jessie (m.s. Cabel) Maple Ridge, BC., cnada. > -----Original Message----- > From: angus-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:angus-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com > Sent: April 25, 2009 4:44 PM > To: ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Forfar Cemetery > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: patcarsonp > Surnames: cable > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.g > eneral/5559.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Dear Allan, > > I have a couple of Cable folk hanging off far twigs in my > tree. I am not too far from Forfar Cemetery and have plans to > visit over the next few weeks. If you would like to send > details of headstones and Forfar addresses to my email > address - patcarsonp at hotmail dot com - I will see what I can do! > > regards > Pat > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Thomson Cuthbert Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5491.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I really have no information about John other than he was born about 1828 in Menmuir, Angus. Robert and Elizabeth had 10 children that I know of. Elizabeth Cuthbert Thomson was b. 1796, Forfar d/o James Cuthbert and Katherine Yeoman and d. 1873, Menmuir. I am a direct descendant of Elizabeth's brother, David. Hence, this is the line I've concentrated on for many years. If the above information fits, please let me know and perhaps we can wade through the lineage. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi, Looking for "cousins". I am researching descendents and looking for the Pedigrees of James CAITHNESS and Susan CAITHNESS. They married in 1789 in Panbride. I suspect that James may have been born 1770 the son of James CAITHNESS and Jean CLARK but not confirmed at this stage. As a couple they had 7 children - Mary, Margaret, Jean, James, Susan, Catherine and Alexander. Mary, Susan and Catherine the only ones that I do not have a marriage and or death for. I descend via Alexander who married Margaret ROBERTSON in 1828 in Dundee. They lived in Dundee. Alex was a mariner and died at sea in 1842 and Margaret left Scotland sometime between, after the 1851 census and before the 1861 census. I am still to find this. Thank you Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King) Melb, Vic

Thank you, Mary. This is very helpful. I've always wondered about the boundaries and the differences. Wonder if the mpa is still available from Wellgate? Something for the "todo" list. Thanks again, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Whyte-White > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: maryschacht > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Not necessarily. There is a CIVIL parish which is Dundee, and the village > of Liff (just outside). It is so small, Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie share > one church. > > I've had family in both places. I got a map of Dundee parish boundaries > from the public (Wellgate) library > > Mary in Oregon > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2080 - Release Date: 04/25/09 08:29:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steelo Surnames: Cable Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5565/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi folks, Wondered if anybody can advise the dates these parish records commenced from please? Trying to establish if Dunnichen and Kirkden were in existence prior to 1755. Thank you. regards Allan. New Zealand. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barbaraknappthomson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5491.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching my husband's family, and believe that Robert and Elizabeth are his ancestors. He is descended from their son John, b. 15 May 1827, m. Jean Mollison Hoping for a reply, and willing to share information Barbara Thomson (New Zealand) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: checked the address, and it is the Civil parish of Liff, within Dundee, so you're right. But people need to be careful withadvice on Liff. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Not necessarily. There is a CIVIL parish which is Dundee, and the village of Liff (just outside). It is so small, Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie share one church. I've had family in both places. I got a map of Dundee parish boundaries from the public (Wellgate) library Mary in Oregon Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello, does anyone on this list have any specific knowledge of the FENTON line which seems to reside at Tannadice prior to 1800? James FENTON & Elizabeth CRAMOND had several children there (mostly at a place called Sheal Green). I am particularly interested in the line descending from their son James (born abt 1795/6 although I can't find his baptism) who married a Betty HENRY (or HENDRY) and later moved to Brechin. They in turn had a son named George, who in turn had a son named Peter FENTON, a Flaxweaver, who seems to have moved to Arbroath. Any help in researching this family would be really appreciated. Duncan, Dundee

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: patcarsonp Surnames: cable Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5559.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Allan, I have a couple of Cable folk hanging off far twigs in my tree. I am not too far from Forfar Cemetery and have plans to visit over the next few weeks. If you would like to send details of headstones and Forfar addresses to my email address - patcarsonp at hotmail dot com - I will see what I can do! regards Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Right, that's in Dundee then. The city expanded into parts of the neighbouring parish of Liff and Benvie. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1901 census: Civil Parish:Liff and Benvie Registration district:St Mary. County:Angus Address:6 Logie St. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Page 53 Names (1806) Surnames Nelly Born to David Chield labourer Elsinure and his Spouse Margt Downie Feby 6 Chield Agnes Born to Robt Forbes day labourer Balkungie and his Spouse Margt Cant was born Feby 6 Cant Alexander Born to Alexr Guild weaver Clayholes and his Spouse Jean Morton was born Feby 9 Guild John Son to George Lyon weaver Barrie and his Spouse Barbara Scott was born Mar 4 Lyon Mary Born to David Kyd mercht Barrie and his Spouse Bell Stephenson Mar 24 Kyd Jean Daughter to David Smith weaver upper Taymouth and his Spouse Jannet Donaldson was born April 18 Smith Clementina Lyell Born to Mr Al Symers Preacher of the Gospel Barrie and his Spouse Clema Carnegie May 12 Symers Jean Born to James Whitton weaver Barrie and his Spouse Matilda Whitton May 12 Whitton Patrick Born to Al Graham flax dresser Deyhouse and his Spouse Isabel Anderson May 20 Graham Betty Born to Thomas Rae weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Margt Fairweather May 24 Rae Helen Daughter to Robert Nicol weaver Taymouth fews and his Spouse Isabel Anderson was born May 30 Nicol James Son to Alexr Chrystal day labourer Ravensbay and his Spouse Barbara Cary was born July 17 Chrystal Katherine Daughter to Andrew Gibson farmer Taymouth and his Spouse Margt Patoun was born August 7 Gibson Mary Daughter to Gerrard miller upper Mill and his Spouse Jannet Fyffe was born August 20 Gerrard Page 54 Names (1806) Surnames Hannah Daughter to Robt Kyd weaver Barrie and his Spouse Helen Thomson was born August 21 Kyd Jean Daughter to John Smith taymouth and his Spouse Mary Gibson was born Septr 5 Smith Ann Daughter to Robert Templeman weaver Taymouth Fews and his Spouse Margt Guild was born Septr 20 Templeman Isabel Daughter to Geo Baxter shoemaker Barrie & Agnes Petrie Novr 25 Baxter Born this year Males 4 females 13 In all 18 1807 William Son to James Mudie weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Barb Scott was born Jany 7 Mudie James Son to Peter Ferrier shoemaker Taymouth Fews and his Spouse Ann Norrie was born Janry 29 Ferrier David Son to Alexr Brown shoemaker Barrie and his Spouse Helen Mill was born Janry 21 Brown Robert Son to Alexr Hogg weaver Taymouth Fews and his Spouse Barb Lorimer was born Febry 13 Hogg Thomas Son to Robert Butchart weaver upper Moston and his Spouse Margt Petrie was born Febry 15 Butchert David Son to James Whitton weaver upper Moston & his Spouse Margt Black was born March 6 Whitton Alexander Son to David Scott weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Margt Chrystie was born Febry 28 Scott Ann Daughter to David Lyell barnman Ballskellie and his Spouse Isabel Blair was born March 12 Lyell Jean Daughter to James Smith weaver Deyhouse and his Spouse Margt Lorimer was born April 7 Smith George Son to Robt Whitton weaver Cowbyres and his Spouse Ann Guild was born April 27 Whitton Alexander Son to William Templeman taymouth Fews and his Spouse Elizabeth Lesslie was born May 14 Templeman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sharon2491 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5560.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The year of birth that I gave for Euphemia is incorrect and my faulty memory is to blame. I checked a photo of the gravestone I had taken and the year 1875 can clearly be seen. A death registration for Euphemia that I received earlier this week confirms that her date of birth was 31 October 1875. I am grateful for all your suggestions and will go now and check the IGI for Thomas and Margaret's children. Thank you for taking the time to respond. Regards from Canada, Sharon Kirk Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: billcerretti Surnames: Thomson, Cerretti Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/1998.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Debbi The William Thomson in your line, who married Mary "Molly" McCormick, was my great great great grandfather. His daughter was Mary and her daughter Alice married my Italian Great Grandfather Aurelio Cerretti. Mary (born in Scotland) married William Lewis (an Englishman working in Scotland) and moved back to England where Alice was born. When William Lewis died the Lewis family moved back to Uddingston in Scotland where she met and married Aurelio (who had recently arrived in Scotland from Italy). I have some pictures of Alice and of Mary I'm interested in what you know of the Thomsons and how you traced their origins to Ireland. I am originally from the Uddingston area but now live with my family in Cheshire in England. Best wishes Bill. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5560.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: PS The 1881 census also lists at 11 Claypots Wynd in Perth Thomas Gardiner, carter, aged 72, with wife Margaret, aged 62 and daughter Elizabeth, power loom weaver, aged 18, all born in Perth, so it looks as if your Thomas and Margaret both lived until at least 1881. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.