Hi Pat, In my Lumgair line I have a few Kinnears from Forfar & Arbroath areas. Ann Kinnear born Carmyllie 1816 married James Guild 1841 Carmyllie David Kinnear married Mary Lumgair 1854 Arbroath Agnes McClaren Kinnear married James Robertson 1916 Forfar Are any of these linked to yours? warm regards Lyn 2009/4/30 Pat Carson <patcarsonp@hotmail.com> > Hi Elaine, > > I have many Kinnear folk in Angus (mainly Forfar area, but some may be from > Inchture and Longforgan). Would be interested to know a little more about > your Robert. > > regards > Pat Carson > > Researching > ADAMSON, STIRLING, KINNEAR in Forfar & Dundee > KEY, FORD in Coastal Angus & Dundee > NEAVE in Haddington & Forfar > MILLER in Dundee > CONWAY in Ireland, Ayrshire & Dundee > FISHER in Ayrshire & Dundee > NICOLSON in Speyside, Aberdeen & Dundee > REILLY in Ireland & Dundee > > ----------------- > > [<snip>] > My 3g-grandfather Robert KINNEAR (1811 - 1880) was a Stone Mason in Liff. > He died there in 1880 and there is a grave in the Kirkyard that may be his > (or his father's who had the same name) - it bears his name but no dates > :(. > > Kind regards > Elaine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Baptismal registers after 1854 are mostly still in the churches concerned, though a few have found their way into various archives. Also, 'the Presbyterian Church' is not a sufficiently precise description. The word 'presbyterian' describes the structure of the particular denomination, not its beliefs. Each congregation belongs to a presbytery, which is a district grouping of congregations. Each presbytery belongs to a larger grouping called a synod, and all congregations, presbyteries and synods belong to the General Assembly, which is the governing body of the denomination. In particular, what distinguishes a presbyterian denomination is that it does not have bishops like the episcopalians and Roman Catholics do. Besides the Church of Scotland, which is a presbyterian denomination, there are currently other presbyterian denominations active in Scotland, and in 1902 there were probably more. The current ones include the Free Church of Scotland and the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, and probably others. There is a wonderful chart showing all the splits and recombinations of the presbyterian denominations in Scotland, but is is currently doing one of its regular disappearing acts. As the city of Dundee grew, it spread out to occupy land which was part of the parish of Liff and Benvie, and there was by 1902 more than one presbyterian church in the parish besides the Parish Church. In particular, Lochee is on part of what is or was Liff and Benvie, as are Balgay and Blackness, and there are several churches in Lochee. So you might need to find out the names of all the churches in both the west end of the city of Dundee, and in the rural part of Liff and Benvie including Invergowrie, which also belongs historically to Liff and Benvie, and then find out which of them were presbyterian, what happened to them and what became of their baptismal registers. There will be lists of city churches in the Dundee directories at the time. I do not know of any online, but you could contact Dundee Public Library, who have sets of Dundee directories: see http://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/library/local_history In my own family tree I have several marriages in Lochee St Ninian's Parish Church (presbyterian) St Luke's Parish Church (presbyterian) Lochee West Parish Church (which may be either St Luke's or St Ninian's above) St Mary's Church/Chapel (Roman Catholic) St Francis Church (Roman Catholic) St Margaret's Church (episcopal) and one conducted in Lochee by the minister of Bell Street United Presbyterian Church, which may or may not have been in Lochee. I think if you really want to find this baptism, your best plan would be to try the offices of the Church of Scotland http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/index.htm and ask them which C of S churches there were in Liff and Benvie, including the ones in Lochee, Balgay and Blackness, and where their baptismal records (cradle roll) for 1902-3 are held. If that draws a blank, try asking the Free Church of Scotland http://www.freechurch.org/ and then the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland http://www.fpchurch.org.uk/ and the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing) http://www.freekirkcontinuing.co.uk/FCC/Welcome.html and the United Free Church of Scotland http://www.ufcos.org.uk/ How do you know that Trixie Whyte was baptised in one of the presbyterian churches? Do you have some sort of document? Have you seen her birth certificate? At what address was she born? Do you know the name of the minister who baptised her? Or which church the minister who married her parents belonged to? All these bits of information will be much easier to find, if you don't already have them, than her baptism record. Hope this helps. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Would appreciate any assistance in locating the baptismal data for Trixie Whyte,born Dundee September 15,1902 and christened shortly afterwards at the Presbyterian church atLiff and Benvie. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Lyn, you wrote that you have in your files Agnes McLaren Kinnear married to James Robertson. This James Robertson is my 1st cousin once removed. He is the son of James Robertson and Isabella Orrock McKenzie. Isabella is my greataunt. Can you help fill me in on this family line, as I have very little to go on. Thanks. Catherine - Wisconsin, USA

Hi Elaine, I have many Kinnear folk in Angus (mainly Forfar area, but some may be from Inchture and Longforgan). Would be interested to know a little more about your Robert. regards Pat Carson Researching ADAMSON, STIRLING, KINNEAR in Forfar & Dundee KEY, FORD in Coastal Angus & Dundee NEAVE in Haddington & Forfar MILLER in Dundee CONWAY in Ireland, Ayrshire & Dundee FISHER in Ayrshire & Dundee NICOLSON in Speyside, Aberdeen & Dundee REILLY in Ireland & Dundee ----------------- [<snip>] My 3g-grandfather Robert KINNEAR (1811 - 1880) was a Stone Mason in Liff. He died there in 1880 and there is a grave in the Kirkyard that may be his (or his father's who had the same name) - it bears his name but no dates :(. Kind regards Elaine

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Thomson Cuthbert Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5491.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I checked the IGI and there was a Catherine Cuthbert b. in Kirriemuir about that time to John Cuthbert and Catherine Marshall. Hence, I don't believe the 2 Catherine's in the 1841 census, Kirriemuir, are related to me. John Cuthbert could be my James Cuthbert's brother. However, I never been able to locate James parentage, exact date of birth, or birth location. My best guess was Rescobie, 1761 --- still unproven even after 20 years of searching. That is where their first 5 children were born. I do know he was not living in the 1841 census. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: class54450 Surnames: Thomson Cuthbert Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5491.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes, Elizabeth's mother was Katherine Yeoman Cuthbert who was married to James Cuthbert in Forfar in 1787. I don't know if Katherine was living in Kirriemuir at age 81. I rather doubt it as they had no connection to Kirriemuir, but it could be. However, I don't know if your Cuthberts/Thomsons match mine as their children were all born in Menmuir, Angus. I don't know where in Angus - shire Robert was born. Elizabeth, however, was b. 17 Jul 1796 in Forfar, Angus. From my records, Robert died about 1844 in Scotland; however, that information may be incorrect. I do know their son, John, was b. 15 May 1827 in Menmuir, as were his siblings (location, that is). I don't know of his marriage; at least from my records. If this seems to fit, please let me know. Perhaps we can unravel this linkage. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: barbaraknappthomson Surnames: Thomson, Cuthbert Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5491.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply to my query regarding Robert THOMSON and Elizabeth CUTHBERT. How wonderful to find someone researching in this family. I have an Ancestry 1841 census entry for C(K?atherine CUTHBERT, aged 81, b. 1760 living at Kirriemuir - could this be Elizabeth Thomson's mother? Was her husband James Cuthbert? One of my husband's cousins visited Menmuir, and copied gravestone inscriptions for Robert and Elizabeth and their infant d. Elizabeth. I have some information about Elizabeth's family, and would be pleased to pass this on, if you would like it - but it is really only what have found in the Census records, until the Thomson family arrived in NZ about 1890. Best wishes, Barbara Thomson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BkBarkley Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/2324.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Did you ever find any more information? James Watson and Eliz Gott have come up in a branch of my tree that I am researching and was wondering if you ever received confirmation or additional ancestors. Brian Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Mary, I would be interested in a copy of that picture. I have a distant relative who was a Mason and worked in Liff. His name was William Kinear. Cheers, Dave Perks > From: elaine@tarves.wanadoo.co.uk > To: angus@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:10:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [ANGUS] Whyte-White > > > <snip> > I have a photograph of the > masons (profession not fraternity) of Liff, it doesn't identify my William > Powrie by name but another, called the Dundee Stone cutter club does. I'm > donating a copy of each to the Dundee Library. The men are holding chisels > in > one hand and large wooden mallets in the other. If anyone with a mason in > the family wants a copy...let me know. > <snip> > > Hi Mary > > What date is your photograph? My 3g-grandfather Robert KINNEAR (1811 - > 1880) was a Stone Mason in Liff. He died there in 1880 and there is a grave > in the Kirkyard that may be his (or his father's who had the same name) - it > bears his name but no dates :(. > > Kind regards > Elaine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<snip> I have a photograph of the masons (profession not fraternity) of Liff, it doesn't identify my William Powrie by name but another, called the Dundee Stone cutter club does. I'm donating a copy of each to the Dundee Library. The men are holding chisels in one hand and large wooden mallets in the other. If anyone with a mason in the family wants a copy...let me know. <snip> Hi Mary What date is your photograph? My 3g-grandfather Robert KINNEAR (1811 - 1880) was a Stone Mason in Liff. He died there in 1880 and there is a grave in the Kirkyard that may be his (or his father's who had the same name) - it bears his name but no dates :(. Kind regards Elaine

Hello Duncan, While I do not have information on your specific Fenton gentlemen, I do have something on Mary Fenton, daughter of James Fenton and Elizabeth Cramond. Mary married James McKenzie. I am a researcher of the McKenzie lines but at the present time have not connected parents to this James. I can bring James and Mary's family forward two more generations should you be interested. Catherine

My Alexander family were masons in Dundee. Is there amy chance you could scan the photos and forward them? Thank you Debbie In a message dated 4/27/2009 7:11:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elaine@tarves.wanadoo.co.uk writes: <snip> I have a photograph of the masons (profession not fraternity) of Liff, it doesn't identify my William Powrie by name but another, called the Dundee Stone cutter club does. I'm donating a copy of each to the Dundee Library. The men are holding chisels in one hand and large wooden mallets in the other. If anyone with a mason in the family wants a copy...let me know. <snip> Hi Mary What date is your photograph? My 3g-grandfather Robert KINNEAR (1811 - 1880) was a Stone Mason in Liff. He died there in 1880 and there is a grave in the Kirkyard that may be his (or his father's who had the same name) - it bears his name but no dates :(. Kind regards Elaine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572846x1201387511/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= Aprilfooter427NO62)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Your assistance is much appreciated. Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks a tonne for the information.This will narrow my search for the baptism of Trixie Whyte. Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Liff,_Benvie_&_Invergowrie,_Angus,_Scotland read about it here. It was established church (Presbyterian) Only Est Church records are at the GROS (Scotlandspeople) and all others are elsewhere. That's why the IGI, which is an incomplete filming of the GROS, is so inferior to what is IN Scotland. I'm doing one surname and have found ten times the records by going to Scotland, and using the Internet. (nothing wrong with using LDS films but there is a wider range of dates available in Scotland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: patcarsonp Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5565.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Allan Info about OPRs can be found here : http://www.scotlandspeoplehub.gov.uk/research/list-of-oprs.html HTH regards Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmgrgr1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5565.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Check out http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/ - All of the LDS Old Parish Record transcriptions are listed by Batch Number. The Batch Number description includes the dates of available records. - Dunichen: christenings from 1683 (C112832) and marriages from 1682 (M112832) - Forfar: christenings from 1633 (C112882) and marriages from 1659 (M112882) - Kirkden: christenings from 1697 (C112972) and marriages from 1709 (M112972) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: With Fowlis Wester, Invergowrie, and Logie. Logie and Invergowrie have been joined to Liff since the mid seventeenth century. Liff and Benvie were united in 1758. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5561.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the history lesson! I also had folks in Kinnoul, but it was swollowed by the city of Perth. I found a nice photo of it on the poet William Soutar's website. http://www.williamsoutar.com/poems/kirk.html Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.