This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farfarloon Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am out of credits on Scotlands People but a search for records turned up one each of Beatrice/Beatrix Whyte and White born between 1900 and 1903 but neither of them in Dundee or Liff as far as I could establish. These might be worth a closer look. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If I can obtain a baptismal certificate,with the godparents names,it might provide a clue to her birth mother.A very long shot.There is minimal data after 107 years.Were there many female births in Dundee on September,15,1902? Thanks a tonne for the help, Bob A registered birth on that date,with no father listed,would help to narrow the search.With a bit of luck,there may not have been too many births on that date,with no father listed? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary,She was reputedly born on September,15,1902. Mega thanks to all the people.who have provided assistance.It is much appreciated. Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: ** Quite right: 1930. A slip of the fingers - I am so used to much older dates! Gordon. :-) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Gordon I think you mean *1930* Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: legal adoption in Scotland started in 1830. Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

thanks Anne, I am pursuing the two sites you offered. Very good reading therein! Liz On May 2, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Anne Burgess wrote: >> I have been reading with interest the last few posts for "Liff >> & >> Benvie". One item caught my eye. How can I find baptisms >> that are >> not on the OPR at ScotlandsPeople? If I were to attend the >> Archives in >> person would I be likely to find them? am asking in particular >> about >> EPISCOPALIAN records. > > It's not easy to say, because the Episcopalian records have not > been specifically gathered together and many of them are still > in the individual churches. I suggest contacting the diocesan > office to ask if they have or know of the existence of anything > that might contain the information you are looking for. > > See http://www.scotland.anglican.org/ for a list of dioceses and > contact addresses. > > The National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk holds a lot of > material relating to the Scottish Episcopal Church. The largest > and most promising collection seems to be GB234/CH12, which has > some church registers including that of Muthill St James's, > 1691 -1902, GB234/CH12/7. > > HTH > > Anne > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ANGUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thinking that Trixie was to modern a name for 1902 I took a look at the various census to see when it first turned up, I found none at all in the Scotish census (transcripts on Ancestry) there were 52 in the English 1901 but very few before that, the first in English civil registration was 1880. Trixie being a short name for Beatrix I then looked at any Beatrix in the Scots census and found 99, one by co-incidence a WHYTE family in St Andrews, she was 17 in 1901 but surely a big leap of faith to make a connection there though :-( It sounds like she may have been registered as her birth mothers name perhaps with Trixie as a forename but as you cannot search the Scots birth registrations (as far as I know) for just a forename you have a task ahead of you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> I have been reading with interest the last few posts for "Liff > & > Benvie". One item caught my eye. How can I find baptisms > that are > not on the OPR at ScotlandsPeople? If I were to attend the > Archives in > person would I be likely to find them? am asking in particular > about > EPISCOPALIAN records. It's not easy to say, because the Episcopalian records have not been specifically gathered together and many of them are still in the individual churches. I suggest contacting the diocesan office to ask if they have or know of the existence of anything that might contain the information you are looking for. See http://www.scotland.anglican.org/ for a list of dioceses and contact addresses. The National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk holds a lot of material relating to the Scottish Episcopal Church. The largest and most promising collection seems to be GB234/CH12, which has some church registers including that of Muthill St James's, 1691 -1902, GB234/CH12/7. HTH Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I presume you mean private arrangements? Its quite rare for any records for same to survive or were they in other Countries? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1902 is withinn the civil registration (after 1855)so the church aspect doesn't apply (I know better but the GROS doesn't contain Catholic, Episcopal...other religion's records before 1855) There are 26 pages of Whyte and White births between 1902-1903 (being in September, I wanted to include any late registrations) but there is NO trixie or a name including Trixie. I looked for all parishes, and she's not there! Shewas registered with a different name. Either different forename or both different Fore AND surname. You need to look at the date you have and see if it is under a different name. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have them beginning in 1918, but most around 1945 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know its not what you were asking about but as I came across it looking to see if there was anything on Ancestry you are welcome to it. UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 > Glasgow, Scotland > 1929 > June > Minnedosa 180. WHYTE Trixie S - 5 Forest Road, Selkirk. - Country of last permanent residence = Canada - age 26 - future Country of permanent residence = Other parts of the British Empire (5 Forest Rd is the proposed address in the UK as given) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I looked at ALL Whyte and White baptisms for 1902-1903. She either was not named Trixie or it's under her mother's maiden surname, with father's probible name. Any suggestions? Trixie must be a pet name? Any ideas as to true mother or her REAL first name. I went through 26 pages of Whyte/White, and there are births in Dundee, but not Liff. It's such a common name, that she's buried in a very dense forest. How do you know her full birth date? Mary want to help but I'm taking off for a weekend at the beach. I'd rather be with my husband, so I NEVER take the computer. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, this was a girl born in 1902. By that time all births had to be registered irrespective of religion, so the religious denomination doesn't come into it as far as birth certificates are concerned. Also there will be no adoption record as it was before formal adoption began. It is quite true that the old Dundee OPRs used to record the person after whom the child was named, but this event is long after that. I was looking at the modern cradle roll in Kilbrandon Church in Argyll last week, and it lists only the name of the child and the date of baptism - pretty useless for a genealogist! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ovington1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Unfortunately official adoption only started in Scotland in 1930, before that they were informal arrangements between the parties concerned, often relatives or close friends, records are unlikey unless there was the possibility of a dispute over inheritance in the future Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryschacht Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: he should still have a birth record and adoption record as well. If you can't find it on Scotlandspeople, I can check with a few credits to burn. The ones you can't find online, are the foreign births of Scottish citizens and religions other than established church (resbyterian). I have a proffesional friend, I use between visits. Even births at sea can be found if you are there in person. Many folks in the villages within a short distance of bigger cities, went to church in Dundee, or Perth at the other end of the Carse of Gowrie. Clerks in Dundee usually recorded who the child was named after, and their relationship to the child. They are one of only a few who added this wonderful detail. When was he born? Adoption records give little information beyond the name of the child and those of the adoptive parents. but every little sliver can re-erect a ship! Mary GENweb can help in Canada. There is one Gen website for each province, then one for the county, and sometimes one for each township. My rellies took a left turn into Ontario, between scotland and eventually the states. My grandfather's birthplace was unknown to me for 15 years!But the big brick wall came tumblingdown when the Ontario early graves were put online.... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ah, I see. She must have had a birth certificate, but if she was adopted it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to find it, because it would be in her mother's surname, not her adoptive surname. What new information are you hoping to get from her baptism record, if/when you find it? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Rhenvell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.ans.general/5566.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mega thanks for your detailed information,which will be of considerable assistance.T Whyte was born out of wedlock and did not have a birth certificate.She was adopted by George and Agnes Whyte,who are listed as Presbyterians the 1910 passenger list of the ship Mongolian,which transported them to Halifax Nova Scotia.The scribe has minimal reliable data. Bob Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have been reading with interest the last few posts for "Liff & Benvie". One item caught my eye. How can I find baptisms that are not on the OPR at ScotlandsPeople? If I were to attend the Archives in person would I be likely to find them? am asking in particular about EPISCOPALIAN records. I have a marriage for PETER ROBERTSON to JEAN BISSET in 1756 at Kincardine. Then the only child born to them on OPR is that of JOHN ROBERTSON at Perth 1776, 'baptised by Episcopalian clergy", It was unlikely to be 20 years before children arrived. so if Peter Robertson, watchmaker of Perth, ended up in Perth area/ or at Perth city, for some years 1756-1776, then there must have been other children born to them. I actually have the names of at least 2 siblings who claim "PETER ROBERTSON, watchmaker of Perth " as their father on marriage records. [son James Robertson, watchmaker, who married Margaret Ogilvie 1787 at Dundee and dau Margaret Robertson who married Thomas Low tailor of Dundee, 1789] Neither birth record has been found with confidence. James should be in 1757 and Margaret should be 1764. The "named after" column in James Robertson and Margt Ogilvie's children's baptisms led me to the Robertson aunts and uncles and to grandmother "JEAN BISSET'. There is ONE Episcopalian record for a birth of Peter Robertson, 1734, on the IGI for Muthill Episcopal church. looking for any tips about these records, thanks Liz of BC Canada